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The [Trump Cabinet] thread

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    I tend to think it's hubris now that they're in power, frankly. Wouldn't be the first time for this particular group of assholes, even.

    It is the default pattern, what's new is the extremes they'll go to to keep the gravy train going now Trump's upended traditional GOP politics, like dog whistling.

  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 9
    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

    But what do you do about it? If you primary him and get someone more progressive, you risk losing the seat, which is already in trouble.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

    But what do you do about it? If you primary him and get someone more progressive, you risk losing the seat, which is already in trouble.

    If "more progressive" means "stand up for things that the Dem party cares about" then is pretty much a red seat no matter what. Not being able to say "the Dems stood in full opposition against Sessions", specially after McConnell kicked Warren out of the hearing, is going to depress turnout on all states.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

    But what do you do about it? If you primary him and get someone more progressive, you risk losing the seat, which is already in trouble.

    Depends whether he's worth keeping around, if he's a Liebermann yeah he's unfortunately a lesser evil to take into account - if he's not they lose nothing by primary him for the left or having another Republican take his seat.

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  • ZomroZomro Registered User regular
    Warren "impugned" Sessions? Pfft. The man had already impugned himseld by being such a racist fuckmuppet.

    This was very clearly McConnell being a douche canoe because he could. The most vocal of the opposition will be targeted like this, they're hoping to silence the rest by making an example of them. It'll backfire, because this is just going to rile them up.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

    But what do you do about it? If you primary him and get someone more progressive, you risk losing the seat, which is already in trouble.

    If "more progressive" means "stand up for things that the Dem party cares about" then is pretty much a red seat no matter what. Not being able to say "the Dems stood in full opposition against Sessions", specially after McConnell kicked Warren out of the hearing, is going to depress turnout on all states.

    I agree this was a bad move on his part, but I understand how tough it is to be a Democrat in a red state. I grew up in Louisiana, and even when we had Democrats in power, they had to be very careful.

    Getting a majority in either house has to be the focus now. That gives Dems control of committees and the ability to control what is debated.

    Mitch McConnell was able to deny a Supreme Court nominee simply because of a slight Republican majority.

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  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    So, guess that this is the place to talk about McConnell kicking Warren out of the Sessions hearing:
    WASHINGTON — Republican senators voted on Tuesday to formally silence a Democratic colleague for impugning a peer, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, by condemning his nomination for attorney general while reading a letter from Coretta Scott King.

    Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, had been holding forth on the Senate floor on the eve of Mr. Sessions’s expected confirmation vote, reciting a 1986 letter from Mrs. King that criticized Mr. Sessions’s record on civil rights.

    Across the room, Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, had stepped forward with an objection, setting off an extraordinary confrontation in the Capitol and silencing a colleague, procedurally, in the throes of a contentious debate over President Trump’s cabinet nominee.

    “The senator has impugned the motives and conduct of our colleague from Alabama, as warned by the chair,” Mr. McConnell began, alluding to Mrs. King’s letter, which accused Mr. Sessions of using “the awesome power of his office to chill the pre-exercise of the vote by black citizens.”

    Mr. McConnell called the Senate to order under what is known as Rule XIX, which prohibits debating senators from ascribing “to another senator or to other senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a senator.”
    Cute hashtag and all, but Sessions is now officially the AG. So there's that.
    Iunno, wasn't talking about democrats an infractable offense in the last Donald thread...? :wink:

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

    But what do you do about it? If you primary him and get someone more progressive, you risk losing the seat, which is already in trouble.

    If "more progressive" means "stand up for things that the Dem party cares about" then is pretty much a red seat no matter what. Not being able to say "the Dems stood in full opposition against Sessions", specially after McConnell kicked Warren out of the hearing, is going to depress turnout on all states.

    I agree this was a bad move on his part, but I understand how tough it is to be a Democrat in a red state. I grew up in Louisiana, and even when we had Democrats in power, they had to be very careful.

    Getting a majority in either house has to be the focus now. That gives Dems control of committees and the ability to control what is debated.

    Mitch McConnell was able to deny a Supreme Court nominee simply because of a slight Republican majority.

    Moves like this are incredibly counter productive in getting said majority because they depress turnout and that's how Republicans win elections. See: Trump.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 9
    Also, it came out that Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, is the CEO of EpiPen, which is in a Justice Department criminal investigation for price-fixing.

    One has to wonder if Sessions may or may not had some private conversations with Manchin.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Corretta Scott Kings letter was able to be read on the senate floor by other people after he threw out Warren.

    So it wasn't about impugning sessions. It wasn't about stopping facts about his career being voiced through a recounting of the words of Corretta Scott King.

    It was just an opportunity to shut up Warren specifically and silence one of the most passionate voices the Democrats have.

    It was just a childish personal attack, because Mitch McConnell is a piece of shit.

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    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Corretta Scott Kings letter was able to be read on the senate floor by other people after he threw out Warren.

    So it wasn't about impugning sessions. It wasn't about stopping facts about his career being voiced through a recounting of the words of Corretta Scott King.

    It was just an opportunity to shut up Warren specifically and silence one of the most passionate voices the Democrats have.

    It was just a childish personal attack, because Mitch McConnell is a piece of shit.

    The initial charge was over a different letter. McConnell either got confused or was being a dick when he switched the target to the King letter.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    What is the reasoning that a nominee be impugned just because he is a Senator? That just harms the entire point of confirmation hearings.

  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Yeah, local trolls here in Massachusetts are trying to bring up the pocahontas thing again which is a sign they're getting desperate.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    What is the reasoning that a nominee be impugned just because he is a Senator? That just harms the entire point of confirmation hearings.

    Rule 19 was implemented after a fistfight in the Senate in 1902

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/08/did-elizabeth-warren-break-rules-plus-5-other-ques/
    Rule 19 wasn’t formalized, however, until 1902, when "John McLaurin, South Carolina's junior senator, raced into the Senate chamber and pronounced that state's senior senator, Ben Tillman, guilty of ‘a willful, malicious, and deliberate lie,’ " according to the Senate historian’s office. "Standing nearby, Tillman spun around and punched McLaurin squarely in the jaw.

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    The ethics of this administration continue to exist at somewhere below street level.

    "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. " -- George Orwell, 1984
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  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Corretta Scott Kings letter was able to be read on the senate floor by other people after he threw out Warren.

    So it wasn't about impugning sessions. It wasn't about stopping facts about his career being voiced through a recounting of the words of Corretta Scott King.

    It was just an opportunity to shut up Warren specifically and silence one of the most passionate voices the Democrats have.

    It was just a childish personal attack, because Mitch McConnell is a piece of shit.

    I think part of it was also a desire to not be the guy who specifically shut down CSK's letter over and over. I know the GOP has basically given up the non-white vote and I don't think McConnell in particular gives a shit what anyone has to say about him because it's not like he's going to lose his seat before he dies (and turtles live an awful long time) but every report about an R senator being a racist, mysoginist dickbag is one more piece of fuel for the fire of the Resist movement and one or more aides have to have come running in to tell him, "Every news outlet in America is blowing the fuck up right now because of what you just did."

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  • AtomikaAtomika Torchlight Resistance HQ Propaganda DivisionRegistered User regular
    The ethics of this administration continue to exist at somewhere below street level.


    it's okay

    we apparently no longer have a functioning enforcement body

    so go nuts, y'all

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  • descdesc gore-texing to death Registered User regular
    edited February 9
    Viskod wrote: »
    It was just an opportunity to shut up Warren specifically and silence one of the most passionate voices the Democrats have.

    This was my read on it too -- I don't think others managed to read the letter because she's a woman and they were men so much as she is the high profile Dem that both moderate and Left Dems broadly know and like. The cabinet is getting appointed one way or another, but the photo op Warren was about to go for in the midst of the appointment sessions was obviously not a series of animated gifs Mitch McConnell wants to see plastered all over the Internet.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

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  • kedinikkedinik Social Justice Sorcerer Registered User regular
    edited February 9
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus My baby, please show you to me fast. Registered User regular
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    Sessions is in, the hurt is symbolic.

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  • kedinikkedinik Social Justice Sorcerer Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    kedinik wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

    I'm saying that the 11M is very likely a subset of the 30M.

    That video didn't generate 11M new progressives, it just found people that are already engaged and generally agree with Warren anyway.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

    I'm saying that the 11M is very likely a subset of the 30M.

    That video didn't generate 11M new progressives, it just found people that are already engaged and generally agree with Warren anyway.

    And what about that is meaningless even if true? (which is, again, not established either)

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

    I'm saying that the 11M is very likely a subset of the 30M.

    That video didn't generate 11M new progressives, it just found people that are already engaged and generally agree with Warren anyway.

    Nothing like this will ever generate more progressives. But it keeps people angry and angry people continue to protest, hound Congress at constituent events, call, email, and eventually vote.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

    I'm saying that the 11M is very likely a subset of the 30M.

    That video didn't generate 11M new progressives, it just found people that are already engaged and generally agree with Warren anyway.

    And what about that is meaningless even if true? (which is, again, not established either)

    Because the 2018 elections are almost 2 years away. Or like 700 GOP fuckups if you want to count that way.

    It wasn't even the worst/dumbest thing that has happened this week.

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

    I'm saying that the 11M is very likely a subset of the 30M.

    That video didn't generate 11M new progressives, it just found people that are already engaged and generally agree with Warren anyway.

    Nothing like this will ever generate more progressives. But it keeps people angry and angry people continue to protest, hound Congress at constituent events, call, email, and eventually vote.

    Yes I don't quite understand? The conclusion that what Mitch McConnell did backfired isn't failed by "well, no new progressives were likely created." It backfired because it amplified Coretta Scott King's letter, shined a big big media spotlight on Warren (who is a fairly well supported leader of the opposition), and it augmented a general sense of anger at sexism and sexist treatment becoming the norm in this new administration on the left (hello, Women's Marchers! It's not over yet!).

    Right now there is really nothing Democrats can procedurally do to stop any of these Cabinet appointments and the value of good old fashioned persuasion is worth less than a penny. There is a great assumption that there are hordes of convertible masses just waiting for the right outstretched arms, the right outrage, the right indignity, the right investment of patient explanation, to transform their worldview (and their vote) in one fell swoop. This is an overstated assumption. Perhaps many many indignities, and many many outrages, and many many outreaches, will transform a few people. But let us not overvalue incidents like these on their own or draw conclusions from their concrete effects (or lack thereof) alone.

    On the other hand, do continue to lambast McCain, Graham, Rubio, and all the other invertebrates who talk a big game but refuse to cast a single vote of protest against their own. No matter how it may shock your consciences, if you don't vote against it, it doesn't fucking count. If this is a double standard, i do not mind applying it; we are already in asymmetric times.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited February 9
    I mean, I get what you guys are saying about it keeping people angry between the previous outrage (DeVos) and the next (the President's chief of staff shilling for his daughter's merch because Nordstrom's hurt his feelings), but in the grand scheme of "getting a good outcome at the next electoral opportunity" (2018 elections), it won't mean anything because no one will remember that it happened.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
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    a5ehren wrote: »
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    It also hugely backfired and upped Warren's popularity even more

    Amongst people who already liked her, I suspect. While we are all affronted by this, it seems to be getting high fives and approval amongst some portion of the Republican-Trump base who saw uppity Warren get shut down while the president's nominees continue rolling into position unabated.

    By now over 11,000,000 people have watched at least part of the video that Warren made right after she was silenced

    It feels fair to say at this point that the Republicans hurt themselves

    30M people voted in the Democratic primaries last year, for reference.

    11M views on a video that's already out of the news cycle is meaningless for 2018, much less 2020.

    Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your first statement

    I'm saying that the 11M is very likely a subset of the 30M.

    That video didn't generate 11M new progressives, it just found people that are already engaged and generally agree with Warren anyway.

    And what about that is meaningless even if true? (which is, again, not established either)

    Because the 2018 elections are almost 2 years away. Or like 700 GOP fuckups if you want to count that way.

    It wasn't even the worst/dumbest thing that has happened this week.

    And if we wanna win those elections, getting and keeping progressives engaged is one of the biggest steps in doing that.

    So, again, not meaningless at all, even by your own narrow view of what happened.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    I mean, I get what you guys are saying about it keeping people angry between the previous outrage (DeVos) and the next (the President's chief of staff shilling for his daughter's merch because Nordstrom's hurt his feelings), but in the grand scheme of "getting a good outcome at the next electoral opportunity" (2018 elections), it won't mean anything because no one will remember that it happened.

    I dunno, it could have sticking power.

    I mean, McConnell did just accidentally suggest an amazing title for Warren's biography. And he did just inadvertently single her out as the 'Democrat we fear most' by rebuking her and only her.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
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    Three guesses on the only Dem to vote "Aye" on Sessions.
    Is Manchin of course. Why he's still a Dem again? Honestly, this is one of the most radical Trump appointments, one that will disproportionately hurt the Dem voting base, and you still say "Aye"? The hell.

    But what do you do about it? If you primary him and get someone more progressive, you risk losing the seat, which is already in trouble.

    If "more progressive" means "stand up for things that the Dem party cares about" then is pretty much a red seat no matter what. Not being able to say "the Dems stood in full opposition against Sessions", specially after McConnell kicked Warren out of the hearing, is going to depress turnout on all states.

    I don't think I agree with this. I think you can use it as a rallying point. I mean, it's not like (let's say) Donnelly voted for Pompeo and then got call after call after call after call and has now voted no on Sessions, DeVos, Tillerson, and plans to vote no on Price as well. Or wait, that _is_ what happened.

    Of course, being part of the Dem party, maybe we should all just self-flagellate and cry "woe is me" into the night sky.

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  • VariableVariable Ted Hitler Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    is there any actual reason to think that "not being able to say the dems universally opposed sessions" will actually affect turn out everywhere?

    I find it incredibly hard to believe that that's going to come up in any race in 2 years.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Communications expert for the millennial generation Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Also, it came out that Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, is the CEO of EpiPen, which is in a Justice Department criminal investigation for price-fixing.

    One has to wonder if Sessions may or may not had some private conversations with Manchin.
    She was also awarded a fake degree from WVU and many people lost their jobs over it.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited February 9
    Dems refusing to be united certainly plays into the narrative that Democrats are craven pieces of shit

    at least the rest of them seem to have learned that lesson, shame they couldn't learn it before voting for the rest of Trump's garbage fire cabinet

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Communications expert for the millennial generation Registered User regular
    Also she is the CEO of Mylan Pharmaceuticals, a generic company that is globally competitive. EpiPen is one of their products.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    Warren was losing some support in Massachusetts for not being here enough and not focusing on state issues.

    This immediately brought her back into the spotlight.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    I mean, I get what you guys are saying about it keeping people angry between the previous outrage (DeVos) and the next (the President's chief of staff shilling for his daughter's merch because Nordstrom's hurt his feelings), but in the grand scheme of "getting a good outcome at the next electoral opportunity" (2018 elections), it won't mean anything because no one will remember that it happened.

    I dunno, it could have sticking power.

    I mean, McConnell did just accidentally suggest an amazing title for Warren's biography. And he did just inadvertently single her out as the 'Democrat we fear most' by rebuking her and only her.

    They are saying it pretty openly:
    Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham says the silencing of Sen. Elizabeth Warren on the Senate floor Tuesday was "long overdue."

    The South Carolina senator appeared on the Mike Gallagher Show Wednesday, where he said Warren reading the letter from Coretta Scott King -- in which she expressed opposition to Jeff Sessions' nomination to the federal bench in 1986 -- was defamatory to Sessions, now an Alabama senator. The Massachusetts Democrat was ruled to be in violation of Senate rules for impugning another senator.

    "The bottom line is, it was long overdue with her," he said. "I mean, she is clearly running for the nomination in 2020."

    "The Democratic Party is being pushed really hard by the most extreme voices in their community, and they just don't know how to handle it," he added. "If they empower her, then I think the Democratic Party is gonna lose way with the vast majority of the American people."

    All in, all the time, damn the consequences. Apparently the GOP learned from Trump that being unrepentant and unapologizing works. That lesson goes both ways.

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