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Trump's [Executive Orders] and other Executive actions
Milski
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This is the thread to discuss Trump's Executive Orders and other actions (aside from the Muslim ban, which has its own thread). Talk about the implications, the enforcement, the legal challenges, the pushback, the insider scoops about how nobody was consulted, etc. here
If discussion strays to his cabinet, bring it to the cabinet thread.
If discussion strays to how he's attempting to be fascist, bring it to the fascist thread.
If it's about the Muslim ban, bring it to the Muslim Ban thread (mods: should they be separate?)
Whitehouse.gov has a list of Executive Orders. However, note that Trump has a tendency to roll out an Executive order and begin enforcement of it before it is put on-site, so the latest EOs will probably be discussed long before they show up on the site.
If discussion strays to his cabinet, bring it to the cabinet thread.
If discussion strays to how he's attempting to be fascist, bring it to the fascist thread.
If it's about the Muslim ban, bring it to the Muslim Ban thread (mods: should they be separate?)
Whitehouse.gov has a list of Executive Orders. However, note that Trump has a tendency to roll out an Executive order and begin enforcement of it before it is put on-site, so the latest EOs will probably be discussed long before they show up on the site.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-sign-executive-order-police-more-authority-murder-shooting-us-president-jeff-sessions-a7572001.html
They are all related somehow to "Law and Order", but I haven't found any source yet that actually says what is in them. We may have to wait on that as I'm pretty sure no one but Sessions knows what they said till Trump signed them. Including Trump.
Because Jack McCoy is involved in none of them.
because the article refers to creating a task force?
Success at the first point probably means failure at the third...
So...
Invest in education and social programs.
Invest in education and social programs.
And invest in education and social programs.
What I expect is:
Create a gestapo-like force.
Create a gestapo-like force.
Create a gestapo-like force.
One will create a task force of violent criminals.
And one is for more police-brutality.
Because "law and order" as a political position is fucking terrifying violent authoritarian police state bullshit.
Though the general impression one gets from these EOs is that they are mostly just bluster.
So far it seems like the worst they do is perpetuate the myth of america being increasingly dangerous because of crime. (instead of because of it's current government)
Dude just fucking loves signing EO's, I think.
even if it is supposed to technically mean "destroy the blood of our youth WITH THE POISON OF ILLEGAL DRUG SMUGGLING" that is a stretch
Anyway am I correct in understanding that the text of these EOs are not available and therefore we have no idea what the fuck these actually do and and how they are meant to achieve them
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Article doesn't really indicate what the EOs entail beyond getting tough on cop-killers. Something we obviously don't already do...
http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/reports/Preliminary-2016-EOY-Officer-Fatalities-Report.pdf
The data is interesting, anyway; if underwhelming as a cause for alarm. Didn't realize how many officers die in traffic accidents.
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I think the EO gets him the jolly good feels without putting in any work. Its zero effort praised action.
Honestly the first thing reading it made me think of was anti interracial assholes.
I, in obvious retrospect, had set my expectations above zero. Spicer basically repeated the same three points so we'll just have to wait for the text.
The text of the executive orders is up at the White House website now.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/09/presidential-executive-order-task-force-crime-reduction-and-public
Seems fine. Not sure why an EO was necessary but whatever.
Eh, I'd probably go with...
1) Legalize most drugs, with careful controls on marketing and sale, and make usage of the remainder a medical issue rather than criminal
2) Invest in education and social programs.
3) Improve community policing and hire more low level beat officers to work in poor neighborhoods to improve the number of officers per capita there, with incentives to hire officers who live where they police
Note the areas for crackdown combined with how Trump talks and Sessions' history. This is an executive order to jail minorities.
There's the scam. Crime is fine, but they've been saying it isn't so they need to do Something (TM). Cue this and Kent Stating a couple of BLM protests like the GOP has been calling for and "Crime is down, everything would be fine except for these paid protests"
Well, this doesn't appear to be about what the public perceives as "criminals". This appears to have every hallmark of trying to turn back the tide that's been building for the past 15-20 years against mandatory minimums and the discrimination that it codified. It very much appears to dodging those very questions by giving the AG and his committee plenty of cover through sections iii & iv of the mandate:
What this tells me is that they want to flush all race based analysis down the drain and to take deferment programs along with it. Someone who wrote this appears to have really liked how Ferguson set up their city government and wants that to be the pattern used across the nation.
But no.
We all know they mean black people and minorities.
Those are the REAL criminals.
Crime is relatively low. Specifically violent crime. The only kind of crime that's really problematically high is drug crime, which being tough on never eradicates. There's a reason people joke about winning the War on Drugs. It's never going to happen.
Squeezing them harder than they've ever been squeezed before means the ones you didn't catch become smarter and more resilient. So basically what Trump's EO amounts to is increased escalation of police action, more militarization of the police, and siding with law enforcement over the populace they have been persecuting for decades now. Make no mistake: Trump is not simply pro-cop. He will take the side of the police no matter how egregious their actions are.
And escalating things while refusing to acknowledge LE wrongdoing is going to create some really nasty situations.
Look on the upside. Maybe we'll get enough of a mountain of flagrant cop-on-unarmed-minority shootings before our first genuine terrorist attack that the impact of the latter will be somewhat blunted.
That was my second thought.
My first was vampires.
I said about Trump was that the military wouldn't be an issue in terms of domestic curtailing of civil rights. They don't have to do squat, the local law enforcement would be more than happy to fill the role.
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But of course the 'advantage' is that local cities retain enormous control over their police forces. Cities are where people actually live in America, so without taking control of mayorships etc it is hard for Trump to really egregiously attack minorities inside cities other than through sentancing laws.
This is again an area where the Democrats should just stake a strong position out to make sure people don't go too far under the life of this regime.
1) Mandatory minimums are wrong, Democrats will repeal them once we regain power (Which will discourage the investment in private prisons required to support the planned arrests)
2) Protests are a fundamental right. Once Democrats return to power, anyone who is found to have been incarcerated for legal protest will be released, and the municipality (Federal, State or City) which imprisoned them will be required to repay all lost income with damages. Any private prison in which they have been incarcerated will be ineligable to receive federal prisoners in the future)
By staking out strong, clear positions which completely roll back any changes that the Republicans desire we can create the opposite effect that their Obamacare position did. It makes their evil deeds more expensive and more problematic to enforce.
Why take a Protest related prisoner when the democrats might win in 4/8 years and then put you out of business? Uncertainty is death to business.
and I will just point out that this is in the context of January being the deadliest month for police killings in a few years
It's why Democrats haven't gotten rid of mandatory minimums even when being in control. Because they fear the attack ads that will plague them.
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Yes, I'm saying that I think we are past that now. I think Trump's election has shown a lot of the 'old logic' can be safely ignored.
"Why are you so soft on crime Candidate DarkPrimus! Your opposition to mandatory minimums will lead to thousands being released from prison!"
"I'm not soft on crime, I'm the toughest on crime. I'm just even tougher on assaults on the personal freedoms of American Citizens."
"But what about the criminals who will be released!"
"My opponent has jailed those people unlawfully. The prison system is broken and must be reformed. Keeping those people in jail is creating more crime, and destroying communities."
"But but but..."
Sure, a few wavering Republicans might throw up their hands and vote against you, which has always been the reason for our half measures before, but far more people whose familes are stranded in the Prison system will flock to the polls to vote for you so that their family members can be released.
We are right. Right on so many issues. It's time to stop pandering to people who are wrong.
Peter Thiel has not joined the administration yet, I don't think.
Well, it's not like Congress is doing much of anything these days. Past that, the president - and his base - are convinced nations can be run like corporations via a series of top-down decrees. His supporters actually expect him to govern primarily or entirely by executive orders - they'll get upset if he doesn't, because he Won't Be Acting Enough - and he's personally convinced that's how governing is supposed to work.
I'm pretty sure for at least a sizeable chunk of his first couple years in office his first response to anything that could be handled by legislation will be an off-the-cuff EO that's trying to cosplay settled law.
There is actually some good data on this since quite of few races have been lost because somebody got out and did something horrible.
And it only takes one.
youth blood is now a precious national resource
I'm assuming we will have a youth blood strategic reserve based in a decommissioned Oklahoma salt mine
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career