that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
Mike Huckabee managed to con an amazing number of people into thinking he was a nice compassionate conservative instead of an amazingly hateful asshole because of a very thing veneer of "gee golly shucks!" type stuff.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It's Karma, Arkansas gave us Bill Clinton, and had to give us Mike Hukabee to balance out.
Bill Clinton gained popularity by being tough on crime by overseeing the execution of a mentally disabled man during his presidential campaign because that shit sold unlike openly saying you wouldn't support the death penalty if your wife was raped and murdered.
You don't necessarily need an early 1990s crime rate for an early 1990s tough on crime attitude to be popular, and law and order style garbage is an area where harshness (as long as targeting the right folks) will really appeal to Trump's base.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It's Karma, Arkansas gave us Bill Clinton, and had to give us Mike Hukabee to balance out.
Bill Clinton gained popularity by being tough on crime by overseeing the execution of a mentally disabled man during his presidential campaign because that shit sold unlike openly saying you wouldn't support the death penalty if your wife was raped and murdered.
You don't necessarily need an early 1990s crime rate for an early 1990s tough on crime attitude to be popular, and law and order style garbage is an area where harshness (as long as targeting the right folks) will really appeal to Trump's base.
Clinton felt he had to be tough on crime to win, unfortunately. '92 was one election after Willie Horton, which was the defining ad that changed the election of '88 from being about the Savings and Loan Crisis and Iran-Contra to being about crime.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It's Karma, Arkansas gave us Bill Clinton, and had to give us Mike Hukabee to balance out.
Bill Clinton gained popularity by being tough on crime by overseeing the execution of a mentally disabled man during his presidential campaign because that shit sold unlike openly saying you wouldn't support the death penalty if your wife was raped and murdered.
You don't necessarily need an early 1990s crime rate for an early 1990s tough on crime attitude to be popular, and law and order style garbage is an area where harshness (as long as targeting the right folks) will really appeal to Trump's base.
Clinton felt he had to be tough on crime to win, unfortunately. '92 was one election after Willie Horton, which was the defining ad that changed the election of '88 from being about the Savings and Loan Crisis and Iran-Contra to being about crime.
Crime is relatively low. Specifically violent crime. The only kind of crime that's really problematically high is drug crime, which being tough on never eradicates. There's a reason people joke about winning the War on Drugs. It's never going to happen.
Squeezing them harder than they've ever been squeezed before means the ones you didn't catch become smarter and more resilient. So basically what Trump's EO amounts to is increased escalation of police action, more militarization of the police, and siding with law enforcement over the populace they have been persecuting for decades now. Make no mistake: Trump is not simply pro-cop. He will take the side of the police no matter how egregious their actions are.
And escalating things while refusing to acknowledge LE wrongdoing is going to create some really nasty situations.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It's Karma, Arkansas gave us Bill Clinton, and had to give us Mike Hukabee to balance out.
Bill Clinton gained popularity by being tough on crime by overseeing the execution of a mentally disabled man during his presidential campaign because that shit sold unlike openly saying you wouldn't support the death penalty if your wife was raped and murdered.
You don't necessarily need an early 1990s crime rate for an early 1990s tough on crime attitude to be popular, and law and order style garbage is an area where harshness (as long as targeting the right folks) will really appeal to Trump's base.
Clinton felt he had to be tough on crime to win, unfortunately. '92 was one election after Willie Horton, which was the defining ad that changed the election of '88 from being about the Savings and Loan Crisis and Iran-Contra to being about crime.
Specifically, crime done by black people. It's no "Hands" but it's close.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It doesn't matter what you do, it's what you say. Huckabee still walked the line about brutalizing criminals, so he gets to be tough on crime no matter who he pardons.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
Mike Huckabee managed to con an amazing number of people into thinking he was a nice compassionate conservative instead of an amazingly hateful asshole because of a very thing veneer of "gee golly shucks!" type stuff.
And Jesus. Can't forget the Jesus.
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I guess Trump and Sessions really do want a race riot.
Man that's gonna get nasty in ways we haven't seen ever.
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that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It doesn't matter what you do, it's what you say. Huckabee still walked the line about brutalizing criminals, so he gets to be tough on crime no matter who he pardons.
I guess Trump and Sessions really do want a race riot.
Man that's gonna get nasty in ways we haven't seen ever.
To be honest, my first impression of that 3rd EO was that he was somehow going to try to declare that even sympathizing with BLM was illegal. Or ban protesting. (And fwiw, I think that you're being way too optimistic about the dems spines, tbloxam)
tbloxham, have you ever heard the phrase "tough on crime"?
It's why Democrats haven't gotten rid of mandatory minimums even when being in control. Because they fear the attack ads that will plague them.
Yes, I'm saying that I think we are past that now. I think Trump's election has shown a lot of the 'old logic' can be safely ignored.
"Why are you so soft on crime Candidate DarkPrimus! Your opposition to mandatory minimums will lead to thousands being released from prison!"
"I'm not soft on crime, I'm the toughest on crime. I'm just even tougher on assaults on the personal freedoms of American Citizens."
"But what about the criminals who will be released!"
"My opponent has jailed those people unlawfully. The prison system is broken and must be reformed. Keeping those people in jail is creating more crime, and destroying communities."
"But but but..."
Sure, a few wavering Republicans might throw up their hands and vote against you, which has always been the reason for our half measures before, but far more people whose familes are stranded in the Prison system will flock to the polls to vote for you so that their family members can be released.
We are right. Right on so many issues. It's time to stop pandering to people who are wrong.
There is actually some good data on this since quite of few races have been lost because somebody got out and did something horrible.
And it only takes one.
I think the solution here is to "tough on crime", but change what crime to be "tough" on. We can reduce sentencing on drug-related offenses, but jack up the penalties for internet death threats.
Rather than present evidence to explain the need for the Executive
Order, the Government has taken the position that we must
not review its decision at all. We disagree, as explained
above.
1) Mandatory minimums are wrong, Democrats will repeal them once we regain power (Which will discourage the investment in private prisons required to support the planned arrests)
Or, y'know, just ban private prisons. There's no ethical reason why they should exist.
another would create a task force to reduce violent crime
the last would instruct the Department of Justice — now under Sessions’ command — to come up with a plan to stop violence against law enforcement officers."
Why are these EOs? Aren't they just stuff that a President can order done?
another would create a task force to reduce violent crime
the last would instruct the Department of Justice — now under Sessions’ command — to come up with a plan to stop violence against law enforcement officers."
Why are these EOs? Aren't they just stuff that a President can order done?
That...that is what an executive order is, when it applies to administrative agencies and not people who work directly for the President.
another would create a task force to reduce violent crime
the last would instruct the Department of Justice — now under Sessions’ command — to come up with a plan to stop violence against law enforcement officers."
Why are these EOs? Aren't they just stuff that a President can order done?
edit: removed response as Phobos nailed it better than I.
Also remember that Trump thinks EO's override the other branches of government for some reason, so he will probably start putting his McDonalds order in EO's if his doctor tells him to lay off of fatty foods.
Those new EOs are bullshit. The two major red flags I see are "law and order" and a complete inability to realize that crime rates are relatively low. "Law and order" is the bigger one because that's usually dog whistle for using excessive police action against minorities and anyone that protests the government.
Ultimately, I have a feeling whatever these EOs call for, is going to be the exact opposite of what needs to be done.
that's generally only true for democrats, because they're bad at spin
which is why mike Huckabee pardoned a murderer, who then came to Washington and murdered again, and Huck still has a functioning career
It doesn't matter what you do, it's what you say. Huckabee still walked the line about brutalizing criminals, so he gets to be tough on crime no matter who he pardons.
hence, democrats are bad at spin
No, hence people like brutalizing criminals. It's a popular stance to take. You don't have to spin this shit at all. Party doesn't matter here.
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I'm pretty sure President Bannon &co expected the Muslim Ban to be struck down in the courts. Now all they need is a terror attack (doesn't have to be Islamistic because alternative facts) so they can crow about Activist Judges and further undermine the Judiciary. Because otherwise Radical Activist Judges will get Americans killed.
I'm pretty sure President Bannon &co expected the Muslim Ban to be struck down in the courts. Now all they need is a terror attack (doesn't have to be Islamistic because alternative facts) so they can crow about Activist Judges and further undermine the Judiciary. Because otherwise Radical Activist Judges will get Americans killed.
I doubt it. They are really just this dumb and inexperienced.
I'm pretty sure President Bannon &co expected the Muslim Ban to be struck down in the courts. Now all they need is a terror attack (doesn't have to be Islamistic because alternative facts) so they can crow about Activist Judges and further undermine the Judiciary. Because otherwise Radical Activist Judges will get Americans killed.
I doubt it. They are really just this dumb and inexperienced.
I would still absolutely bet on them seizing upon the first actual terrorist attack to push out some unspeakable bullshit.
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Mike Huckabee managed to con an amazing number of people into thinking he was a nice compassionate conservative instead of an amazingly hateful asshole because of a very thing veneer of "gee golly shucks!" type stuff.
It's Karma, Arkansas gave us Bill Clinton, and had to give us Mike Hukabee to balance out.
But... that's two shitty people.
Bill Clinton gained popularity by being tough on crime by overseeing the execution of a mentally disabled man during his presidential campaign because that shit sold unlike openly saying you wouldn't support the death penalty if your wife was raped and murdered.
You don't necessarily need an early 1990s crime rate for an early 1990s tough on crime attitude to be popular, and law and order style garbage is an area where harshness (as long as targeting the right folks) will really appeal to Trump's base.
Clinton felt he had to be tough on crime to win, unfortunately. '92 was one election after Willie Horton, which was the defining ad that changed the election of '88 from being about the Savings and Loan Crisis and Iran-Contra to being about crime.
He did run as the Law and Order candidate.
Trump keeps his campaign promises at least.
Specifically, crime done by black people. It's no "Hands" but it's close.
It doesn't matter what you do, it's what you say. Huckabee still walked the line about brutalizing criminals, so he gets to be tough on crime no matter who he pardons.
And Jesus. Can't forget the Jesus.
Man that's gonna get nasty in ways we haven't seen ever.
hence, democrats are bad at spin
The executive order banning muslims has been ruled against. Repeat it has been ruled against!
To be honest, my first impression of that 3rd EO was that he was somehow going to try to declare that even sympathizing with BLM was illegal. Or ban protesting. (And fwiw, I think that you're being way too optimistic about the dems spines, tbloxam)
I think the solution here is to "tough on crime", but change what crime to be "tough" on. We can reduce sentencing on drug-related offenses, but jack up the penalties for internet death threats.
Basically, I want to throw 4chan in prison.
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I hope it ruins his weekend at the "winter White House".
...I hate that he calls Mar-a-lago that.
Instant gratification!
Sort of
Most of the lawyers I read, including I think @So It Goes said the Giuliani statement in particular was a gift to lawyers opposing the ban.
Still premature. This goes back down to Judge Robart; will then get appealed back to 9th Circuit CoA, and then to USSC.
Why are these EOs? Aren't they just stuff that a President can order done?
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That...that is what an executive order is, when it applies to administrative agencies and not people who work directly for the President.
edit: removed response as Phobos nailed it better than I.
Also remember that Trump thinks EO's override the other branches of government for some reason, so he will probably start putting his McDonalds order in EO's if his doctor tells him to lay off of fatty foods.
Everyone knows vampires hate the taste of meth and heroin and want the blood of the youth to be pure and clean.
Ultimately, I have a feeling whatever these EOs call for, is going to be the exact opposite of what needs to be done.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
No, hence people like brutalizing criminals. It's a popular stance to take. You don't have to spin this shit at all. Party doesn't matter here.
But it's Vermont, so that's only about 35% of the house.
I doubt it. They are really just this dumb and inexperienced.
I would still absolutely bet on them seizing upon the first actual terrorist attack to push out some unspeakable bullshit.