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Foreign Policy in the Age of Trump

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie ATOMIKA! IT’S ME! IT’S DESKTOP HIPPIE!Registered User regular
    I must find out who that reporter who asked the question is because I could swear he has an Irish accent.

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Mr. Fusion wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
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    I fucking quit.

    So this is the completely unsecured cellphone he tweets from I assume?

    Who cares?

    Personally I like this "Move fast and break things" approach to government. Shit might actually get done.

    ... and by "things," you mean, "the United States of America"? Cuz....???

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Mr. Fusion wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »

    So this is the completely unsecured cellphone he tweets from I assume?

    Who cares?

    Personally I like this "Move fast and break things" approach to government. Shit might actually get done.

    I see you really thought hard about what the President of the United States speaking to foreign leaders on a completely unsecured line of communication means here.

    The rest of your post doesn't even make sense. This is neither moving fast no breaking things, nor does either of those accomplish anything. It's just bad information security by a moron.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I must find out who that reporter who asked the question is because I could swear he has an Irish accent.

    It was Dave Clark of Agence France. Quick glance at his Twitter bio indicates Newcastle, not Ireland.

    https://twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    I can't believe they don't have some better boilerplate for that

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I kinda feel for that guy.

    His options are:
    1) Be honest, which is that we don't give a shit about human rights or democracy in Saudi Arabia. This is bad for relations with the Muslim world. At least with the citizens.
    2) Be honest, alternate version, which is that the President is a clueless moron who doesn't give a shit about democracy anywhere, much less in Saudi Arabia. This gets him fired.
    3) Dodge the question.
    4) Bullshit.

    To me, the thought process looks like 15 seconds of trying to think of plausible bullshit, failing, and then moving on to dodging the question.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie ATOMIKA! IT’S ME! IT’S DESKTOP HIPPIE!Registered User regular
    I don't feel sorry for anybody who voluntarily works for Trump.

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  • KetBraKetBra FISTS OF JUSTICE! Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Dude's a career diplomat

    I dunno, I don't particularly feel that not having a State Department at all would be a net plus for us. It's not like he's signed up for this like Sean fucking Spicer

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  • NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    can you imagine the chaos if, everytime presidency changed parties, almost everyone in government quit?
    Yeah, i'm not going to fault career officials sticking to their jobs if/when a moron gets elected.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Mr. Fusion wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »

    So this is the completely unsecured cellphone he tweets from I assume?

    Who cares?

    Personally I like this "Move fast and break things" approach to government. Shit might actually get done.

    As far as the intelligence agencies are concerned an off the shelf cell phone might as well be a speaker phone. At least for a target as juicy as POTUS.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie ATOMIKA! IT’S ME! IT’S DESKTOP HIPPIE!Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    KetBra wrote: »
    Dude's a career diplomat

    I dunno, I don't particularly feel that not having a State Department at all would be a nut plus for us. It's not like he's signed up for this like Sean fucking Spicer

    Ah, so he's not there voluntarily. Okay now I feel sorry for him.

    Voluntarily is probably the wrong way to phrase it. Really what I mean is I don't feel sorry for anyone struggling with their job right now who was appointed to that job by Trump. It was impossible not to know what sort of an idiot they were going to be working for.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    the bizarre thing about it isn't that didn't provide a satisfactory answer, because no satisfactory answer is possible (other than 'we think our strategic relationship is more important than human rights')

    the bizarre thing is that he's so unready to answer; like how is this not at the top of your list of anticipated questions?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Dude is mostly a Middle East FSO. Former Ambassador to Iraq and Jordan, Deputy Chief of Mission in Cairo, worked at the Turkish Embassy before that. Now Acting Assistant Secretary of State for the Near East.

    The lack of prepared bullshit is weird though, I'll agree with that.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I assumed that the answer to that question is part of the State department's induction pack.

    "This is your desk, the bathrooms are down the hall, and here is a canned response relating to the seemingly arbitrary nature of our Middle East alliances."

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    To be fair, he probably doesn't know what our Middle East policy will be tomorrow

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Mr. Fusion wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »

    So this is the completely unsecured cellphone he tweets from I assume?

    Who cares?

    Personally I like this "Move fast and break things" approach to government. Shit might actually get done.

    When you break your car it doesn't suddenly start moving faster

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    It's possible that breaking all the rules and bypassing all the safety measures could actually result in real work getting done--and indeed this is somewhat similar to actual backchannel diplomacy, where you get the Pope to talk to the Cubans and suddenly there's a window there.

    But obviously that's a risky strategy only maybe worth pursuing if you have somebody incredibly competent at the wheel, somebody who can ignore the safety railings and still Tokyo drift his way through the corners without breaking a sweat. If you'll allow me to switch metaphors here, Trump can't help but throw gutterballs even when the bumpers are on somehow, you wouldn't think it possible but he finds a way. For the love of the God don't take them off so he can strike out faster and in everybody else's lane too. And then maybe reflect on the dangers of precedent when it comes to letting even competent people toss the rules. Even for them, there's little so desperately necessary to be done that it's worth maybe doing it wrong.

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  • TaerakTaerak Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    I really wish you'd had stuck with the Tokyo drift analogy for a little bit longer, I was feeling it.

    Also, aren't conversations that happen on proper back channels still officially required to be logged somewhere? The primary advantage being that you don't have to go through a whole series of middle rank politicians to get your message across, not necessarily that you can say stuff without being held accountable?

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