With a full set of upgraded followers it's possible to do all three of those mission simultaneously and have followers leftover to do the other ones that pop up as well. Definitely get on top of recruiting all of your followers.
that's not true at all
it's a pretty rare occurrence for the 3 elite missions to have just the right counters for any combination of your order hall's guys; much more often it fucks you over by having the same counter six times or something
you can sometimes brute force them if you have lots of very high percentage boosting follower gear, particularly legendaries and duration>8 hour ones, though
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
With a full set of upgraded followers it's possible to do all three of those mission simultaneously and have followers leftover to do the other ones that pop up as well. Definitely get on top of recruiting all of your followers.
that's not true at all
it's a pretty rare occurrence for the 3 elite missions to have just the right counters for any combination of your order hall's guys; much more often it fucks you over by having the same counter six times or something
you can sometimes brute force them if you have lots of very high percentage boosting follower gear, particularly legendaries and duration>8 hour ones, though
Not sure what to tell you. My DH has been sending off all 3 simultaneously at 3 days apiece for basically every single command centre except the first few immediately post 7.2.
With a full set of upgraded followers it's possible to do all three of those mission simultaneously and have followers leftover to do the other ones that pop up as well. Definitely get on top of recruiting all of your followers.
that's not true at all
it's a pretty rare occurrence for the 3 elite missions to have just the right counters for any combination of your order hall's guys; much more often it fucks you over by having the same counter six times or something
you can sometimes brute force them if you have lots of very high percentage boosting follower gear, particularly legendaries and duration>8 hour ones, though
Not sure what to tell you. My DH has been sending off all 3 simultaneously at 3 days apiece for basically every single command centre except the first few immediately post 7.2.
Maybe not all classes can do it.
Yeah that is pretty much what he just said.
Also, getting a setup of followers like that takes a TON of time with no real way of speeding it up. Which is also time wasted because very likely in 1 week we will have a means to skip the majority of that.
I know I don't have the time to do hours of things that might not be as fun as going group content and new stuff as opposed to busy work. It is why I didn't finish my flying requirements even though all I need is side quests in Suramar.
to be honest the AP one is barely worth doing; 125m AP is not all that much for three days worth of follower time, especially since the gains on concordance ranks are so small. Depending on what kinds of counters and minions you have it's definitely possible to send them all, but I'd rather be able to do the legionfall resources one twice and just send my dudes out on regular AP missions in the meantime
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
With a full set of upgraded followers it's possible to do all three of those mission simultaneously and have followers leftover to do the other ones that pop up as well. Definitely get on top of recruiting all of your followers.
that's not true at all
it's a pretty rare occurrence for the 3 elite missions to have just the right counters for any combination of your order hall's guys; much more often it fucks you over by having the same counter six times or something
you can sometimes brute force them if you have lots of very high percentage boosting follower gear, particularly legendaries and duration>8 hour ones, though
Nah I do it all the time. They key is just to have the right gear. You don't need to counter every threat (not even necessarily the main one), just make sure you can boost to 100%. Best follower gear is the bonus for 8 hour+ and the bonus for missions with your better minions (for me it's the Pirates/Duelists). You can get some crazy boosts with those and one or two of the better minions on the mission.
The ones that are garbage are the mission duration reduction and the bonus for missions less than 4 hours. I have that on ONE of my followers and she tends to screw me up sometimes thanks to reducing 8 hour missions to 7 or something. I almost never get 4 hour missions either. Usually I get like, 6 or 7 hour missions which won't activate either item. It's dumb.
to be honest the AP one is barely worth doing; 125m AP is not all that much for three days worth of follower time, especially since the gains on concordance ranks are so small. Depending on what kinds of counters and minions you have it's definitely possible to send them all, but I'd rather be able to do the legionfall resources one twice and just send my dudes out on regular AP missions in the meantime
Yeah but some characters don't even have concordance yet
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
Legionfall Resources > Nether Shards > AP item, is how I look at it. The bags from turning in resources have given me 3 Legendaries in the last month.
Speaking of legendaries, I got the Vengeance bracers last night, and I kind of shrugged them off at first glance, but they might actually be pretty good
Assuming the effect only impacts sigils that are currently on cooldown, it'd be a pretty big dps boost to be able to basically spam sigil of flame like crazy. Though with Spirit Bomb/Fracture still basically being the current rotation, it sucks that it only procs off of Soul Cleave
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Speaking of legendaries, I got the Vengeance bracers last night, and I kind of shrugged them off at first glance, but they might actually be pretty good
Assuming the effect only impacts sigils that are currently on cooldown, it'd be a pretty big dps boost to be able to basically spam sigil of flame like crazy. Though with Spirit Bomb/Fracture still basically being the current rotation, it sucks that it only procs off of Soul Cleave
They're awful right now.
if you're casting Soul Cleave enough to get any value out of them, you're hurting yourself by more than the benefit they're giving you.
Yeah, they definitely need to rework things to make Soul Cleave relevant again. It's really stupid that they just trivialized what is obviously meant to be a cornerstone of the rotation.
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
Got my monk to 110 with the last invasion AND got the PvP skins:
Woo, the Holy and Prot ones look amazing. Not so hot on the ret one, looks like a big dagger.
Got my monk to 110 with the last invasion AND got the PvP skins:
Woo, the Holy and Prot ones look amazing. Not so hot on the ret one, looks like a big dagger.
Got my monk to 110 with the last invasion AND got the PvP skins:
Woo, the Holy and Prot ones look amazing. Not so hot on the ret one, looks like a big dagger.
You mean your paladin? Because that's the holy paladin hammer.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
to be honest the AP one is barely worth doing; 125m AP is not all that much for three days worth of follower time, especially since the gains on concordance ranks are so small. Depending on what kinds of counters and minions you have it's definitely possible to send them all, but I'd rather be able to do the legionfall resources one twice and just send my dudes out on regular AP missions in the meantime
Yeah but some characters don't even have concordance yet
yeah but like, that amount of AP per time/resources is available basically all the time just by doing the regular AP missions, which are good for ~40mil and take 8 hours or less
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I posted a screenshot of the Holy weapon since is my spec, not using the ret one since, as I've said, is just a giant dagger, looks derpy IMO.
Ion had an interview on Gamescon: https://youtu.be/-PNvji4iqh0 On text:
Very excited about the story, its an ambitious patch, tells more about Turalyon, Alleria, Kingdom of the Draenei
Definetely more story content than 12 weeks of "kill 100 demons", "loot 50 treasures"
Catch up area (zone), way bigger than tanaan/timeless isle, more diverse. New tokens (including BOA tokens timeless/tanaan style).
AK is now global value (as previously explained, i wont go into detail, go google this if you dont know what this means)
All 3 relic slots are auto unlocked for everyone, and you can unlock all artifact traits inc concordance without any special quests / broken shore
No additional legendary "targeting", happy with how system works right now.
New shards on Argus, can also target legendaries same way you can on broken shore
All relics (including ones you have pre-patch) will work on crucible. But accessing all upgrades is tied to Artifact level (75), so by the time people get to 75, next raid will probably be open, you probably will get new relics anyway. So probably not worth to grind relics pre-patch.
Antorus is final big raid of legion (Important: question was "Is it final raid", answer "its the final BIG raid".... we might see small raid after?), there's more story to tell after that. As far as "big mega raid" this is it.
The new unicorn mount COULD be a secret like the abyssal orb / mind riddler / etc. He refused to confirm or deny.
Legion non-flying mounts, no plans to add flying to them.
A lot of core quest content, a lot of cinematics, etc.
Class stacking on KJ Mythic - "only an issue on mythic, keeping an eye out, not much they can do short of complete KJ or class redesign to make rogues not as good, should still be doable for any comp".
Highlighted the 100% bullshit. Because the Leggo system is the big flaw of the expansion period.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
I posted a screenshot of the Holy weapon since is my spec, not using the ret one since, as I've said, is just a giant dagger, looks derpy IMO.
Ion had an interview on Gamescon: https://youtu.be/-PNvji4iqh0 On text:
Very excited about the story, its an ambitious patch, tells more about Turalyon, Alleria, Kingdom of the Draenei
Definetely more story content than 12 weeks of "kill 100 demons", "loot 50 treasures"
Catch up area (zone), way bigger than tanaan/timeless isle, more diverse. New tokens (including BOA tokens timeless/tanaan style).
AK is now global value (as previously explained, i wont go into detail, go google this if you dont know what this means)
All 3 relic slots are auto unlocked for everyone, and you can unlock all artifact traits inc concordance without any special quests / broken shore
No additional legendary "targeting", happy with how system works right now.
New shards on Argus, can also target legendaries same way you can on broken shore
All relics (including ones you have pre-patch) will work on crucible. But accessing all upgrades is tied to Artifact level (75), so by the time people get to 75, next raid will probably be open, you probably will get new relics anyway. So probably not worth to grind relics pre-patch.
Antorus is final big raid of legion (Important: question was "Is it final raid", answer "its the final BIG raid".... we might see small raid after?), there's more story to tell after that. As far as "big mega raid" this is it.
The new unicorn mount COULD be a secret like the abyssal orb / mind riddler / etc. He refused to confirm or deny.
Legion non-flying mounts, no plans to add flying to them.
A lot of core quest content, a lot of cinematics, etc.
Class stacking on KJ Mythic - "only an issue on mythic, keeping an eye out, not much they can do short of complete KJ or class redesign to make rogues not as good, should still be doable for any comp".
Highlighted the 100% bullshit. Because the Leggo system is the big flaw of the expansion period.
I mean, they probably are happy with it. It's just that no one else is.
Yeah, I posted the Holy one, since is my main spec. Not using the Ret one, because blegh:
If I told you that that was a Rogue dagger, people would believe me, is just dumb.
Man, sure loved all those weeks of farming NH normal and heroic to get Leggos :rotate: and that the Leggo system is universally hated by the playerbase.
Having BoA tokens on Argus instead of everything being BoP is a huge relief. Even if it's not the ilevel 900 stuff, it'd be really helpful to get alts going
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
The acquisition of Legendaries ended up pretty ok over the course of the expansion.
But it is the one lingering thing that both penalizes taking time off and/or making alts. It is not even about the power gain at this point. It is more about how fun ways of playing your character are locked behind luck and massive time investment.
I'd like the drop rate to be higher personally; I've got 50% of available legendaries, but I've also only got two specs, so
I do think that the first legendary or two should be, like, instant though at this point in the expansion.
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
I actually like the idea of legendaries changing up your rotations, etc like in Diablo. They just fucked up the distribution of them. I honestly still don't think it's much better. Yeah, they drop more now, but it's still completely random. If you get a shit legendary, fuck you I guess. Or if you want to play an alt, hope you get lucky since you are starting way behind everyone else that already has 6 of them or whatever.
The sad thing is, it's one of those things that was so horribly received that it will probably just get dropped for the next expansion, even though it's a cool idea that was just implemented poorly. Blizzard has a tendency to over compensate, like how Warlords made getting trade skill mats too easy, so they swung it waaaaay the other way and made them a pain in the ass this time. Even looking at Warlords, that was an over-response to the popularity of the Tillers farm in Mists (which I think was balanced a lot better and they should have just stuck with what worked)
Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
I have been playing my priest for 1.5 months now and still have only one Legendary.
I was really hoping this Challenger's chest would have my second. It did not, but it did have a ring with haste on it finally. Being that Shadow priest with 15% haste was beginning to suck. This ring was nearly 2k haste AND has a socket.
Now I just need to get Sephuz and I might actually have enough haste to be a real Shadow Priest.
I personally love the artifact weapons, but I guess they went over like a wet far so we probably won't have those for the next expansion. It was nice not having to find new weapons.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Well I don't want specifically these weapons, but I like the artifact system as far as "here is a mythical weapon wield it!' Maybe some new customization for parts with the next one.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The acquisition of Legendaries ended up pretty ok over the course of the expansion.
But it is the one lingering thing that both penalizes taking time off and/or making alts. It is not even about the power gain at this point. It is more about how fun ways of playing your character are locked behind luck and massive time investment.
I got one legendary only so far. I'm grinding on my DH but only to unlock flying. I'd much rather be leveling alts and the like. there are certain grinds in this game and it's like, I have other things I want to do?
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
I am not grinding like super hard, but I do all my emissaries and at least finish all of LFR and do some mythic +s.
Emissaries are apparently the second best source of legendaries after challengers chests.
Oh good, I'll keep up with the emissary quests. I'm usually so busy doing world quests that I don't have time for dungeons. I'm like ilvl 874 and I"m not sure I've touched a heroic dungeon yet, let alone mythic.
I think I'm just a little spoiled by FF14 where you do everything on one character and only have to grind things like rep once. they've made a lot of things account-wide unlocks in WoW, which is great, but I wish they'd expand it just a touch more.
Is there a site that lists the BIS legendaries of each spec?
Icy Veins or the relevant class forum on MMO-Champion are your best bets, but honestly for optimal results you should always sim your character in your own gear and figure out what setup is theoretically best for you. http://www.simulationcraft.org/ for the SimCraft client, and install the SimCraft addon for WoW (lets you use the "/simc" command in game to get an easy import for simming instead of changing gear manually, muuuuch easier than it used to be).
It's not the most intuitive thing but it's pretty easy to figure out, especially if you're not trying to figure out scaling factors or anything.
Is there a site that lists the BIS legendaries of each spec?
Icy Veins or the relevant class forum on MMO-Champion are your best bets, but honestly for optimal results you should always sim your character in your own gear and figure out what setup is theoretically best for you. http://www.simulationcraft.org/ for the SimCraft client, and install the SimCraft addon for WoW (lets you use the "/simc" command in game to get an easy import for simming instead of changing gear manually, muuuuch easier than it used to be).
It's not the most intuitive thing but it's pretty easy to figure out, especially if you're not trying to figure out scaling factors or anything.
I recommend using raidbots (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot). It will pull your character from the armory, and allow you to sim easily, compare gear, etc. It uses simcraft on the backend
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that's not true at all
it's a pretty rare occurrence for the 3 elite missions to have just the right counters for any combination of your order hall's guys; much more often it fucks you over by having the same counter six times or something
you can sometimes brute force them if you have lots of very high percentage boosting follower gear, particularly legendaries and duration>8 hour ones, though
Not sure what to tell you. My DH has been sending off all 3 simultaneously at 3 days apiece for basically every single command centre except the first few immediately post 7.2.
Maybe not all classes can do it.
Yeah that is pretty much what he just said.
Also, getting a setup of followers like that takes a TON of time with no real way of speeding it up. Which is also time wasted because very likely in 1 week we will have a means to skip the majority of that.
I know I don't have the time to do hours of things that might not be as fun as going group content and new stuff as opposed to busy work. It is why I didn't finish my flying requirements even though all I need is side quests in Suramar.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Nah I do it all the time. They key is just to have the right gear. You don't need to counter every threat (not even necessarily the main one), just make sure you can boost to 100%. Best follower gear is the bonus for 8 hour+ and the bonus for missions with your better minions (for me it's the Pirates/Duelists). You can get some crazy boosts with those and one or two of the better minions on the mission.
The ones that are garbage are the mission duration reduction and the bonus for missions less than 4 hours. I have that on ONE of my followers and she tends to screw me up sometimes thanks to reducing 8 hour missions to 7 or something. I almost never get 4 hour missions either. Usually I get like, 6 or 7 hour missions which won't activate either item. It's dumb.
Yeah but some characters don't even have concordance yet
Assuming the effect only impacts sigils that are currently on cooldown, it'd be a pretty big dps boost to be able to basically spam sigil of flame like crazy. Though with Spirit Bomb/Fracture still basically being the current rotation, it sucks that it only procs off of Soul Cleave
They're awful right now.
if you're casting Soul Cleave enough to get any value out of them, you're hurting yourself by more than the benefit they're giving you.
Wait really? I need to start doing those more then.
Yeah I've gotten 0 from the 5k Nethershards gear (but those are a good way to get 880+ gear), the bags are the way to go for Legendary chances.
I go for legionfall resources, then the AP, then nether shards, because I don't have anything left to spend shards on.
You can spend nethershards on those portals when the nether disruptor is up, to get more legionfall resources
Woo, the Holy and Prot ones look amazing. Not so hot on the ret one, looks like a big dagger.
Which both titanforged to 935.
So now my off-spec weapon is more powerful than my main spec one. And I sitll have one relic to upgrade in the off-spec one.
So that's neat.
Steam: pazython
That is an extremely large hammer.
You mean your paladin? Because that's the holy paladin hammer.
pleasepaypreacher.net
yeah but like, that amount of AP per time/resources is available basically all the time just by doing the regular AP missions, which are good for ~40mil and take 8 hours or less
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Ion had an interview on Gamescon:
On text:
Highlighted the 100% bullshit. Because the Leggo system is the big flaw of the expansion period.
I mean, they probably are happy with it. It's just that no one else is.
pleasepaypreacher.net
If I told you that that was a Rogue dagger, people would believe me, is just dumb.
Man, sure loved all those weeks of farming NH normal and heroic to get Leggos :rotate: and that the Leggo system is universally hated by the playerbase.
But it is the one lingering thing that both penalizes taking time off and/or making alts. It is not even about the power gain at this point. It is more about how fun ways of playing your character are locked behind luck and massive time investment.
I do think that the first legendary or two should be, like, instant though at this point in the expansion.
The sad thing is, it's one of those things that was so horribly received that it will probably just get dropped for the next expansion, even though it's a cool idea that was just implemented poorly. Blizzard has a tendency to over compensate, like how Warlords made getting trade skill mats too easy, so they swung it waaaaay the other way and made them a pain in the ass this time. Even looking at Warlords, that was an over-response to the popularity of the Tillers farm in Mists (which I think was balanced a lot better and they should have just stuck with what worked)
I was really hoping this Challenger's chest would have my second. It did not, but it did have a ring with haste on it finally. Being that Shadow priest with 15% haste was beginning to suck. This ring was nearly 2k haste AND has a socket.
Now I just need to get Sephuz and I might actually have enough haste to be a real Shadow Priest.
pleasepaypreacher.net
However I don't think anyone dislikes them at all. They have been one of the best parts of the expansion IMO.
It is very likely aspects of the Artifact weapons will carry over in some form for the next one.
pleasepaypreacher.net
I got one legendary only so far. I'm grinding on my DH but only to unlock flying. I'd much rather be leveling alts and the like. there are certain grinds in this game and it's like, I have other things I want to do?
Emissaries are apparently the second best source of legendaries after challengers chests.
I think I'm just a little spoiled by FF14 where you do everything on one character and only have to grind things like rep once. they've made a lot of things account-wide unlocks in WoW, which is great, but I wish they'd expand it just a touch more.
It was the Divine Storm chest
whomp whomp.
Good thing I already have the ring, cloak, and belt
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Dear Satan.....
Icy Veins or the relevant class forum on MMO-Champion are your best bets, but honestly for optimal results you should always sim your character in your own gear and figure out what setup is theoretically best for you. http://www.simulationcraft.org/ for the SimCraft client, and install the SimCraft addon for WoW (lets you use the "/simc" command in game to get an easy import for simming instead of changing gear manually, muuuuch easier than it used to be).
It's not the most intuitive thing but it's pretty easy to figure out, especially if you're not trying to figure out scaling factors or anything.
I recommend using raidbots (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot). It will pull your character from the armory, and allow you to sim easily, compare gear, etc. It uses simcraft on the backend