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Need Penny-Arcade question answered

DikiDiki Registered User new member
edited April 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I am just wondering, and this is a serious question.
I do not like Penny-Arcade in the least, and I have noticed that I cannot even find a joke in half of the comics. Do some of the comic strips just depict a story, and some make jokes, or what?

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  • DrFrylockDrFrylock Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Like most comic strips, it is unlikely that you will find laugh-out-loud humor in Penny Arcade. Rather, Penny Arcade offers witty commentary on the state of the world, primarily focused on video games and gaming culture. Because of this focus, not all PA humor will make sense to those outside this culture. A particular strip, for example, may be poking fun at a particularly annoying or undesirable feature of a new game. If you haven't played that game, you probably will not be able to appreciate the humor as well.

    It is satire, facilitated through the use of traditional satirical elements such as exaggeration, absurdity, and even occasional surrealism. The often-at-odds attitudes of the two principles (Gabe and Tycho) creates tension. A supporting cast of ancillary characters, well-caricatured, adds personality to the mix. For example, "Div" is an anthropomorphized, disenfranchized DIVX player, who is now unemployed and often drunk and obnoxious. He refuses to be tarted up like a gay disco in this strip, which makes fun of the fact that there is a large community of case modding enthusiasts who spend inordinate amounts of time and effort to add useless, and often aesthetically questionable, features to their electronics cases.

    I'm sure that the wide variety of comics that have been created over the years has something a little bit funnier for you. I hear that Andy Capp is a real knee-slapper.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I stopped reading the comics some time ago, but I noticed that some of them are clearly satirical against games, public figures, and companies.

    As an example, there was comic where two players clearly criticized the game HALO, because the rooms in the levels looked the same.

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  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Seeress WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    As a PA die-hard, and loyal fan from 1999 on, I would say you must simply have a different brand of humor. Humor is such a subjective thing. Before I say anything else, to maintain my polite objectivity, I would ask you what you find funny? What other comics, movies, TV shows, books, comedians, do you find to be worthwhile?

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    A lot of the time, the comics relate to current events, so reading the associated news posts may help.

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I laugh out loud at a lot of the comics, which can get me into trouble because I typically check first thing once I get into work. It would be hard to explain why, but I find the situations + one liners hilarious.

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  • DikiDiki Registered User new member
    edited April 2007
    As a PA die-hard, and loyal fan from 1999 on, I would say you must simply have a different brand of humor. Humor is such a subjective thing. Before I say anything else, to maintain my polite objectivity, I would ask you what you find funny? What other comics, movies, TV shows, books, comedians, do you find to be worthwhile?

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    Book: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
    Comedian: Dane Cook

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    stilist wrote: »
    A lot of the time, the comics relate to current events, so reading the associated news posts may help.
    This is enormously true.

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  • Atlus ParkerAtlus Parker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Diki wrote: »
    Comedian: Dane Cook

    Shall Gabe and Tycho scream about Burger King for 3 hours before ripping off their shirts*?
    *You don't want want to see that. Nobody wants to see that.

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  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Diki wrote: »
    Comedian: Dane Cook

    Shall Gabe and Tycho scream about Burger King for 3 hours before ripping off their shirts*?
    *You don't want want to see that. Nobody wants to see that.

    HYPERBOLE

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  • DikiDiki Registered User new member
    edited April 2007
  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Seeress WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Hmm, so your sense of humor is otherwise well developed, neither wholly mainstream or wholly obscure. Although I agree with the others that I prefer others' mockery of Dane Cook to Dane Cook's mockery of others.

    This being said, let's go ahead and look at the listed PA's:
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/21
    This is funny because Gabe believes 300 to epitomize masculinity, and anything short of unmitigated and undying allegiance to its artistic vision makes one unworthy of a penis. Tycho then implies that he uses his versatile member to open jars, giving Gabe pause.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/23
    This is really funny because of the long-standing rivalry between PA and cah-ray-zee gamer-hating attourney Jack Thompson. He has done a lot of stupid things which I won't list here, but the strip is talking about how he listed them in a lawsuit as part of a conspiracy to ... something. It doesn't really make sense because Jack Thompson is effin' crazy. He'd probably sue inanimate objects because they 'looked at him funny'. G&T mock the concept of his naming them in a suit through a study of other activities that sound like racketeering which Jack Thompson must have meant.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/26
    Not all the time! This is too straight forward to disect.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/28
    Only makes sense with the news post, as it deals with Puzzle Quest, which if you're not on the goddamn bleeding edge of games I'm sure is obscure.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/04
    Kara is Gabe's wife. This is funny because she is turning down his affections (in addition to whatever humor might be derived from portraying him as a desperate loser).

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/06
    It's a pee joke, set up by assumptions about knowledge.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/09
    Tycho (well, Jerry) is much more at ease with the public (or at least appears to be) than Gabe (Mike), and so Tycho being called away before an appearance before thousands is truly a disasterous thing for which he cannot be forgiven.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/11
    Franzibald is supposed to be representative of Tim Buckley (which is never expressly said, although Tycho/Jerry admitted it in response to my direct question at PAX06), who has been indirectly accused of plagiarism (among other things). This was specifically in response, I think, to the sale of DVDs for some animated series based on Tim Buckley's comic. However, it also has a more abstract meaning which I think is meant to be primary, simply that people who think that flaming words on the internets mean anything are dumb.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/13
    This is an obscure inside joke, involving both the mechanics of D&D and the lore of PA wherein Gabe wished for and received a unicorn. If you don't play D&D and don't have a perfect memory of PA, you'll miss the point.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/16
    Gabe attempts to downplay the nature of an adult game until the last frame. This sort of conceptual mitigation before revelation is usually funny.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/23
    You have to first be aware of all the ping pong competitions PA Inc has been getting themselves into, so much so that some have speculated about a league of ping pong players forming within the game dev industry. While cheating to win is somewhat humorous, suggesting that a person dying from one's underhanded skullduggery makes him a pussy, well that pushes it to a whole `nother level.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/25
    This is something of a joke about mechanics, if you're not used to RPGs it wouldn't make sense, and you also have to know about the depth of Tycho's character and his preferences. I suppose it could be considered an inside joke, but when you have four million readers, does it matter anymore?

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  • Xenocide GeekXenocide Geek Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    holy long!

    wow... i mean.

    wow.

    that was totally thorough. plus, one of the comics you got wrong. it's about Harry Potter (the one with the phoenix and unicorn) ;)

    i think the short answer to the question the OP posed is this: it's not for you.

    if you understand what i mean, well... then you understand what i mean.

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  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Seeress WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Xenocide Geek:
    No, really? I mean, I would never have guessed but for the explicit mentioning of Harry Potter in the comic. I was trying to talk about the less than obvious elements in that one. 'Material components' (the title) is specific terminology to D&D.

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    playing a borderline obsessive level of video games helps you understand PA humour too

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  • Xenocide GeekXenocide Geek Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Xenocide Geek:
    No, really? I mean, I would never have guessed but for the explicit mentioning of Harry Potter in the comic. I was trying to talk about the less than obvious elements in that one. 'Material components' (the title) is specific terminology to D&D.

    um, i think the title of the comic, especially this one, has absolutely no comedic value or relevance to the comic itself.

    it's a mention of an aspect of D&D (and other things by now), but the elements of that particular comic aren't rooted in D&D. it's rooted in Harry Potter, through and through, because wands in the HP universe contain strange things, explicitly things like phoenix feathers and unicorn hair.

    so, before you go jumping on me, analyze a comic and then give advice.

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  • FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Diki wrote: »
    I am just wondering, and this is a serious question.
    I do not like Penny-Arcade in the least, and I have noticed that I cannot even find a joke in half of the comics. Do some of the comic strips just depict a story, and some make jokes, or what?

    I would honestly recommend you taking your finger and placing it upon the 'pulse'.

    That is, the PA strips require that 'in the know' sense of humor. In this case the know is gaming.

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  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Seeress WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Material components are things in D&D you need in order to make magic spells work. You seriously contend that the title has no relevance to a guy looking for things to enable his magic?

    I didn't say it was rooted in D&D, I said it involved D&D, which it did. One can argue the degree of the importance of the title, but it's obtuse for you to pop out and say I got it wrong just because I wanted to address the more implicit elements than the explicit elements. Yes, the comic IS about Harry Potter, I knew that, but everything in that particular comic is not wholly and completely derived from Harry Potter. Tycho/Jerry plays D&D, he writes the comic, and referencing D&D terminology is no coincidence and no accident (not to mention D&D predates Harry Potter). The comic cannot be completely understood thinking only in terms of the HP universe. The value of the implied, marginal elements can also be debated, but I was attempting to give people enough credit that they didn't need me to name the colors in the comics for them or any other simple things that would otherwise insult their intelligence and patronize them. (As you did me by saying I missed that it was about Harry Potter, as it was stated in the first sentence of the comic.)

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  • carbon13carbon13 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I just thought the Harry Potter/DD thing was fucking funny. And I'm not into either subject. And Tycho (somehow I hate referring to the real people by their comic names...) referred to the original comic where Gabe gets the unicorn in the news post that day.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/11
    Franzibald is supposed to be representative of Tim Buckley (which is never expressly said, although Tycho/Jerry admitted it in response to my direct question at PAX06), who has been indirectly accused of plagiarism (among other things). This was specifically in response, I think, to the sale of DVDs for some animated series based on Tim Buckley's comic. However, it also has a more abstract meaning which I think is meant to be primary, simply that people who think that flaming words on the internets mean anything are dumb.

    That particular comic has nothing to do with Buckley other than Franzibald is his caricature and fits the profile for the comic and Tycho's outrage. It's really more about the whole Todd Goldman thing.

    Also re Harry Potter: phoenix feathers and unicorn hairs are common cores for wands in the Potter books (well, phoenix feathers not so, but still). I viewed the title as much more of a side-gag that integral to the strip. I mean, it's not like the titles are the basis of the strip or anything - they're just thought up after the initial idea is finalised.

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  • DikiDiki Registered User new member
    edited April 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Diki wrote: »
    I am just wondering, and this is a serious question.
    I do not like Penny-Arcade in the least, and I have noticed that I cannot even find a joke in half of the comics. Do some of the comic strips just depict a story, and some make jokes, or what?

    I would honestly recommend you taking your finger and placing it upon the 'pulse'.

    That is, the PA strips require that 'in the know' sense of humor. In this case the know is gaming.

    I know plenty about gaming, and recent gaming news (though I do not sit on IGN day in, day out).

    I think the whole problem with me not finding the jokes in the strips is me giving them the benefit of the doubt, in that they wouldn't make seemingly childish jokes.
    Example: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/06
    He pissed himself, haw haw.
    Philodox wrote:
    playing a borderline obsessive level of video games helps you understand PA humour too

    I do.

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'd watch it, you'd better have an immaculately dry sense of humour before you start calling other people's childish. I love family guy but it relies on its fair share of cheap laughs.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited April 2007
    Philodox wrote: »
    I'd watch it, you'd better have an immaculately dry sense of humour before you start calling other people's childish. I love family guy but it relies on its fair share of cheap laughs.

    Feels like everything after the two first seasons of Family Guy boils down to "Gee, this reminds me of the time when..." followed by something utterly random.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Diki wrote: »
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Diki wrote: »
    I am just wondering, and this is a serious question.
    I do not like Penny-Arcade in the least, and I have noticed that I cannot even find a joke in half of the comics. Do some of the comic strips just depict a story, and some make jokes, or what?

    I would honestly recommend you taking your finger and placing it upon the 'pulse'.

    That is, the PA strips require that 'in the know' sense of humor. In this case the know is gaming.

    I know plenty about gaming, and recent gaming news (though I do not sit on IGN day in, day out).

    I think the whole problem with me not finding the jokes in the strips is me giving them the benefit of the doubt, in that they wouldn't make seemingly childish jokes.
    Example: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/06
    He pissed himself, haw haw.
    Philodox wrote:
    playing a borderline obsessive level of video games helps you understand PA humour too

    I do.

    Well, I think you're just a troll, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    If you don't like it, fine... but humor is subjective and I really don't think someone who likes Dane Cook can afford to be mocking the humor of others (see how I turned that around there?)

    Frankly, PA works because often times the surface of their humor does look childish, but there are a number of subtle undertones that make the overall comic work. The comic you cited above is an example of this. However, if you can't appreciate undertones and subtlety, and judging by the Dane Cook thing I'm guessing you cannot, then in all likelihood you will never really get Penny Arcade.

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  • ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Diki, I'm a little unclear as to what help or advice you are looking for. Don't get me wrong, you can stick around as long as you want, but it seems like at this point you are looking for a more subtle type of humor you feel can not be found at Penny Arcade. That's cool, I just don't see what help or advice we can give about your opinion.

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  • The Count Of Midget FistoThe Count Of Midget Fisto Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Willeth wrote: »
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/11
    Franzibald is supposed to be representative of Tim Buckley (which is never expressly said, although Tycho/Jerry admitted it in response to my direct question at PAX06), who has been indirectly accused of plagiarism (among other things). This was specifically in response, I think, to the sale of DVDs for some animated series based on Tim Buckley's comic. However, it also has a more abstract meaning which I think is meant to be primary, simply that people who think that flaming words on the internets mean anything are dumb.

    That particular comic has nothing to do with Buckley other than Franzibald is his caricature and fits the profile for the comic and Tycho's outrage. It's really more about the whole Todd Goldman thing.

    Who is this Tim Buckley fellow and what did he steal?

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    The question has already been answered. There are jokes, they just apparently aren't for you. H/A is not the place to debate about whether or not Penny-Arcade or Family Guy are funny. Thread over.

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