If your brain doesn't seize up and have an aneurysm trying to understand it.
How even does he not understand that the stock market and the national debt are not the same thing?
I can't anymore with this man. I simply cannot listen to anything he says. He doesn't need a "tell", his whole physique shifts as his words move from something he actually knows to something he's making up. He would be the world's worse poker player. He cannot bluff to save his life.
As for the content, this seems to be proof that he thinks that a country and all of the accompanying administration that goes with it works as it would in a business. So that when the nation's currency increases in value w.r.t. other currencies it is like when a stock goes up in value. Somehow he thinks that means the nation gets that money to run things. Which seems to explain his whole view on taxes. Maybe that explains how a lot of people view taxes. If our money is so valuable and used everywhere, why do I have to pay taxes?
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Once again Trump and his ilk proving they don't have a fucking clue.
Also I feel like we really should start looking at US spending and revenue as percents. It would be easier to understand and harder for people to pull this shit of look at this really big number, it's so huge, huger than these past number, while those people ignore any and all context (inflation pretty much ensures numbers will creep up and if economic growth is good, that's going to push numbers up).
Everywhere that takes fiscal policy seriously already does and has since...well, math was invented.
The DJIA gained 150% from 2009-2017. Even if the relationship he is suggesting existed, he would still not be the hero.
But.
I will make the following deal with Trump: If you double my 401k in the next 3 years, I will personally claim that you did just as well as Obama "maybe better!"
Once again Trump and his ilk proving they don't have a fucking clue.
Also I feel like we really should start looking at US spending and revenue as percents. It would be easier to understand and harder for people to pull this shit of look at this really big number, it's so huge, huger than these past number, while those people ignore any and all context (inflation pretty much ensures numbers will creep up and if economic growth is good, that's going to push numbers up).
Everywhere that takes fiscal policy seriously already does and has since...well, math was invented.
If only everywhere would or at least schools and the media.
No if you'll excuse me, I need to remind myself this shitty admin has only bee n office for 9 months instead of the eternity that it has felt like.
If your brain doesn't seize up and have an aneurysm trying to understand it.
How even does he not understand that the stock market and the national debt are not the same thing?
I can't anymore with this man. I simply cannot listen to anything he says. He doesn't need a "tell", his whole physique shifts as his words move from something he actually knows to something he's making up. He would be the world's worse poker player. He cannot bluff to save his life.
As for the content, this seems to be proof that he thinks that a country and all of the accompanying administration that goes with it works as it would in a business. So that when the nation's currency increases in value w.r.t. other currencies it is like when a stock goes up in value. Somehow he thinks that means the nation gets that money to run things. Which seems to explain his whole view on taxes. Maybe that explains how a lot of people view taxes. If our money is so valuable and used everywhere, why do I have to pay taxes?
Honestly, the more you watch him the more he makes me question the intelligence of every person even tangentially involved in NY real estate. He is the worst liar, the worst bullshitter and the worst salesman I think I have ever seen. And he's just irritating as fuck to listen to.
Every time someone talks about how he's "charming in person" I feel like checking their hairline for scars.
If your brain doesn't seize up and have an aneurysm trying to understand it.
How even does he not understand that the stock market and the national debt are not the same thing?
I can't anymore with this man. I simply cannot listen to anything he says. He doesn't need a "tell", his whole physique shifts as his words move from something he actually knows to something he's making up. He would be the world's worse poker player. He cannot bluff to save his life.
As for the content, this seems to be proof that he thinks that a country and all of the accompanying administration that goes with it works as it would in a business. So that when the nation's currency increases in value w.r.t. other currencies it is like when a stock goes up in value. Somehow he thinks that means the nation gets that money to run things. Which seems to explain his whole view on taxes. Maybe that explains how a lot of people view taxes. If our money is so valuable and used everywhere, why do I have to pay taxes?
Honestly, the more you watch him the more he makes me question the intelligence of every person even tangentially involved in NY real estate. He is the worst liar, the worst bullshitter and the worst salesman I think I have ever seen. And he's just irritating as fuck to listen to.
Every time someone talks about how he's "charming in person" I feel like checking their hairline for scars.
He had money, property, and was backed by his father. That explains it really.
If your brain doesn't seize up and have an aneurysm trying to understand it.
How even does he not understand that the stock market and the national debt are not the same thing?
I can't anymore with this man. I simply cannot listen to anything he says. He doesn't need a "tell", his whole physique shifts as his words move from something he actually knows to something he's making up. He would be the world's worse poker player. He cannot bluff to save his life.
As for the content, this seems to be proof that he thinks that a country and all of the accompanying administration that goes with it works as it would in a business. So that when the nation's currency increases in value w.r.t. other currencies it is like when a stock goes up in value. Somehow he thinks that means the nation gets that money to run things. Which seems to explain his whole view on taxes. Maybe that explains how a lot of people view taxes. If our money is so valuable and used everywhere, why do I have to pay taxes?
Honestly, the more you watch him the more he makes me question the intelligence of every person even tangentially involved in NY real estate. He is the worst liar, the worst bullshitter and the worst salesman I think I have ever seen. And he's just irritating as fuck to listen to.
Every time someone talks about how he's "charming in person" I feel like checking their hairline for scars.
The thing is, he's not even in the top 10 for NYC real estate deals. There are a bunch of smart, inventive people in that market, but Trump's not even a real player, just riding daddy's coattails.
If our money is so valuable and used everywhere, why do I have to pay taxes?
I know so many people who think this. They think the government is stealing their money via taxes and try to do everything in their power to pay as little as possible. And then they bitch that taxes are so complicated.
I've said in the tax thread that a lot of people feel taxes (and by extension, the budget) is a "success fee"
Trying to get back on topic, has the new budget that some people in Congress were trumpeting (heh) last week actually seen the light of day?
Honestly, the more you watch him the more he makes me question the intelligence of every person even tangentially involved in NY real estate. He is the worst liar, the worst bullshitter and the worst salesman I think I have ever seen. And he's just irritating as fuck to listen to.
Every time someone talks about how he's "charming in person" I feel like checking their hairline for scars.
Do you know when everybody in Real Estate gets paid? When a deal happens.
Do you know what everybody in Real Estate gets paid if they stop the deal because this guy is clearly a fucking idiot asshole who won't stop lying? Nothing.
Real Estate deals have a huge inertia behind them and most involved folks have a lot of incentive to have them happen. Add in a little light glad handing/favor doing/bribery to those who don't and you pretty well explain Trump.
Given that financial analysts say he'd be richer today if he had just stuck that inheritance in the safest, lowest-return investments possible and left it there, I'd say we have an answer to that.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
The Senate approved the Republican-backed budget Thursday night, a major step forward for the GOP effort to enact tax cuts.
The budget’s passage will allow the GOP to use a procedural maneuver to pass tax legislation through the Senate with 50 or more votes, removing the need for support from Democratic senators.
“Tonight, we completed the first step toward replacing our broken tax code . . . We have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to replace a failing tax code that holds Americans back with one that actually works for them,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said following the 51-49 vote.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who believes the budget ought to reduce the deficit, was the only Republican to vote against it.
This sounds really bad, but ignoring the whole Tax thing (since that's a different thread), what other kind of normal budget related fuckery did they sneak in there? Unfortunately, the article is pretty much worthless on that kind of thing
Worth remember that this still has to be passed by the house and that might be iffy. We'll probably see some shitty compromise bill out of reconciliation committee (it's not going to be shitty because it's a compromise, it'll be shitty because it backs shitty harmful policies). Given how things are going in the GOP inside congress and outside of congress, it's hard to say they pass something for sure. ACA repeal had only one divide, there are a ton when we get the budget and the GOP has become the party that loathes compromise because they view it as being weak.
Also worth noting a number of house members have decided their going to base their re-election next year on running against the Republican Senate because they have to blame something for not being able to get any of their agenda done and they refuse to admit they could be at fault. Not going to turn this into a election thread, but knowledge worth knowing because if they fail to get a budget through, that could be the sole reason that results in neither chamber being able to compromise.
Finally, the one good thing even though the budget is shit if they pass something. At best we get another CR, which isn't great either since that doesn't account in changes in priorities or breakthroughs that change the costs of spending. The budget is a framework on how they'll spend and raise money. Everything beyond that has to be enacted by a bill, which means many of these efforts can be shut down. This is one of the reasons why they don't have to worry about POTUS (I'd say in theory Trump could avoid having to any part of the why it fails, but it's Trump and he'll stick his dick in this and likely emboldened the worst elements of the party in Republican House Caucus from even being interested in compromise).
Budget bills aren't appropriations bills, and I don't think they're even binding within the committees, just guidelines/suggestions. Still shitty, though. And clearly demonstrating their priorities and what they want appropriations to look like after lobbyists keep their niche from being eliminated.
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Yeah, this isn't the actual spending, this is just necessary so they can get reconciliation on the table
Vox had a nice article written up for why we might actually witness a government shutdown despite having a Republican President and Republicans in full control of Congress. This would be pretty unprecedented and I doubt they'll be able to pass it off as the democrats fault, even though the start of this mess comes down to needing 60 votes in the Senate.
In theory, get that wouldn't be too fucking hard if McConnell settled for a CR. Hell, if the agenda had stayed the way they thought it would be, they might have been able to reach a few compromises to be able to run with something that isn't a CR reauthorizing current spending. I'd say that is a big if given the current Congress, but there were concerns we'd get a shutdown in April. Alabama's special election is probably going to be a factor here (I'm assuming the winner would be able to vote on this and that is will be up for a vote). A Moore win is likely to make it harder to get a CR, let alone something new. A Jones victory would make it easier to get a CR, but probably wouldn't help with getting something new.
Plus, thanks to Trump, the GOP has even less time to try and hammer out something new, which is going to require work. They can't exactly afford to wait too long on re-instating CRS payments for health exchanges (granted courts might save them here, if they rule that the payments are legal and most continue). They really can't afford to wait on helping dreamers and there are likely to be no court rulings that will save their asses if they screw around too long. CHIP is another thing that needs to happen and they'll likely take flack if they don't treat carefully there, optics limit how badly they can jack that up, but it doesn't strike me as something they can get away with ignoring forever. No, of these are things the GOP have easy answers for because the party is batshit crazy, if they were saner, these probably would have all been dealt with by now.
Plus, there is their precious tax reform that they want to get done before the end of the year and that isn't proven to be something that won't be as straight forward as they thought it would. Just check out the thread on it, to see how much of train wreck that is shaping up to be.
Finally, since it's Trump and well in the real world, shit happens. The priority to do list will keep growing. So the longer some of this takes, the less time the GOP will have to get something done. I see little reason for the Democrats to save the GOP from having to fully own a shutdown, and they will get to fully own this one if it happens, if the GOP refuses to act on those current list. Hell, we're dealing with Trump and his batshit crazy wing, who seem keen on a shutdown being okay. So they might feel up to sticking their tongues into the electric socket now because they honestly believe this would help them.
I fully expect Trump to say in public (let's be serious, it'll be a tweet) that the reason the budget doesn't get done is because the Dems refuse to play ball and don't want to get rid of divisions between the parties, blah blah blah. Even though the real reason is that all the deals they (Reps) put on the table were going to get shot down at first glance.
Honestly, the more you watch him the more he makes me question the intelligence of every person even tangentially involved in NY real estate. He is the worst liar, the worst bullshitter and the worst salesman I think I have ever seen. And he's just irritating as fuck to listen to.
Every time someone talks about how he's "charming in person" I feel like checking their hairline for scars.
Do you know when everybody in Real Estate gets paid? When a deal happens.
Do you know what everybody in Real Estate gets paid if they stop the deal because this guy is clearly a fucking idiot asshole who won't stop lying? Nothing.
Real Estate deals have a huge inertia behind them and most involved folks have a lot of incentive to have them happen. Add in a little light glad handing/favor doing/bribery to those who don't and you pretty well explain Trump.
Vox had a nice article written up for why we might actually witness a government shutdown despite having a Republican President and Republicans in full control of Congress. This would be pretty unprecedented and I doubt they'll be able to pass it off as the democrats fault, even though the start of this mess comes down to needing 60 votes in the Senate.
In theory, get that wouldn't be too fucking hard if McConnell settled for a CR. Hell, if the agenda had stayed the way they thought it would be, they might have been able to reach a few compromises to be able to run with something that isn't a CR reauthorizing current spending. I'd say that is a big if given the current Congress, but there were concerns we'd get a shutdown in April. Alabama's special election is probably going to be a factor here (I'm assuming the winner would be able to vote on this and that is will be up for a vote). A Moore win is likely to make it harder to get a CR, let alone something new. A Jones victory would make it easier to get a CR, but probably wouldn't help with getting something new.
Plus, thanks to Trump, the GOP has even less time to try and hammer out something new, which is going to require work. They can't exactly afford to wait too long on re-instating CRS payments for health exchanges (granted courts might save them here, if they rule that the payments are legal and most continue). They really can't afford to wait on helping dreamers and there are likely to be no court rulings that will save their asses if they screw around too long. CHIP is another thing that needs to happen and they'll likely take flack if they don't treat carefully there, optics limit how badly they can jack that up, but it doesn't strike me as something they can get away with ignoring forever. No, of these are things the GOP have easy answers for because the party is batshit crazy, if they were saner, these probably would have all been dealt with by now.
Plus, there is their precious tax reform that they want to get done before the end of the year and that isn't proven to be something that won't be as straight forward as they thought it would. Just check out the thread on it, to see how much of train wreck that is shaping up to be.
Finally, since it's Trump and well in the real world, shit happens. The priority to do list will keep growing. So the longer some of this takes, the less time the GOP will have to get something done. I see little reason for the Democrats to save the GOP from having to fully own a shutdown, and they will get to fully own this one if it happens, if the GOP refuses to act on those current list. Hell, we're dealing with Trump and his batshit crazy wing, who seem keen on a shutdown being okay. So they might feel up to sticking their tongues into the electric socket now because they honestly believe this would help them.
For those who didn't read TFA, it doesn't paint a rosy picture. There's no telling what's going to happen and the rather unsurprising brinkmanship coming from the GOP base appears to be egging them on to oblivion.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said he will meet on Tuesday with the Democratic leaders of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, to discuss keeping the government open but cited differences with them.
“Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!” Trump said in a Twitter post.
We... are likely headed for a shutdown. But hey, who knows. He might cave.
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The government shutting down due to Trump when the GOP controls both houses...
The government shutting down due to Trump when the GOP controls both houses...
How does he see that ending positively for him?
Hell, and considering the mess he is getting us into by actively destroying government agencies, this may be one of the few times in our history where (other than for the hardworking men and women who will lose their well deserved wages) a government shutdown will actually help advance the agenda of government.
If the government is shut down, then it is a crime to say, fire your science specialists and replace them with industry stooges. Or have meetings over tax cuts for the rich at the expense of workers in blue states.
"That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said he will meet on Tuesday with the Democratic leaders of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, to discuss keeping the government open but cited differences with them.
“Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!” Trump said in a Twitter post.
We... are likely headed for a shutdown. But hey, who knows. He might cave.
I thought they weren’t going after Trump called the meeting pointless on twitter before it even began
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said he will meet on Tuesday with the Democratic leaders of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, to discuss keeping the government open but cited differences with them.
“Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!” Trump said in a Twitter post.
We... are likely headed for a shutdown. But hey, who knows. He might cave.
I thought they weren’t going after Trump called the meeting pointless on twitter before it even began
Might just wanna stealthily show that there's at least some responsible adults in the room.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said he will meet on Tuesday with the Democratic leaders of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, to discuss keeping the government open but cited differences with them.
“Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!” Trump said in a Twitter post.
We... are likely headed for a shutdown. But hey, who knows. He might cave.
I thought they weren’t going after Trump called the meeting pointless on twitter before it even began
Might just wanna stealthily show that there's at least some responsible adults in the room.
It looks like that article was posted about 4 hours ago, right after Trump's tweet. It has since been cancelled by the Dems.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said he will meet on Tuesday with the Democratic leaders of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, to discuss keeping the government open but cited differences with them.
“Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don’t see a deal!” Trump said in a Twitter post.
We... are likely headed for a shutdown. But hey, who knows. He might cave.
I thought they weren’t going after Trump called the meeting pointless on twitter before it even began
Might just wanna stealthily show that there's at least some responsible adults in the room.
No they're right. Apparently right after Trump said this, Dems declined the meeting.
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Ahh, I stand corrected.
Then they're being the adults who don't have time for the wailing of a spoiled toddler.
Too bad it will be seen as them childishly refusing to meet with a president they don’t like because he was mean on the internet.
And how tough and imposing that the President is, that just his words were enough to do so.
Ignoring the fact that the President and Congressional Leadership need the Democrats or they fail. Hard.
Really is a fucking clownshoes parade in Washington. And if the media don't get their act together and report accurately (example, don't resort to a "both sides are to blame"), then burn it all down. Fucking tired of the media being wishy washy over appearing partisan by reporting the truth. Guess what, media? You're going to get called on it anyway, so you might as well do. your. fucking. job.
Because McConnell's promises are worth... anything? Fuck any Republican who believes his "promise", especially since their objections are sometimes counter to one another.
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I can't anymore with this man. I simply cannot listen to anything he says. He doesn't need a "tell", his whole physique shifts as his words move from something he actually knows to something he's making up. He would be the world's worse poker player. He cannot bluff to save his life.
As for the content, this seems to be proof that he thinks that a country and all of the accompanying administration that goes with it works as it would in a business. So that when the nation's currency increases in value w.r.t. other currencies it is like when a stock goes up in value. Somehow he thinks that means the nation gets that money to run things. Which seems to explain his whole view on taxes. Maybe that explains how a lot of people view taxes. If our money is so valuable and used everywhere, why do I have to pay taxes?
Everywhere that takes fiscal policy seriously already does and has since...well, math was invented.
But.
I will make the following deal with Trump: If you double my 401k in the next 3 years, I will personally claim that you did just as well as Obama "maybe better!"
Extra fine print: (But only on my 401k)
If only everywhere would or at least schools and the media.
No if you'll excuse me, I need to remind myself this shitty admin has only bee n office for 9 months instead of the eternity that it has felt like.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Honestly, the more you watch him the more he makes me question the intelligence of every person even tangentially involved in NY real estate. He is the worst liar, the worst bullshitter and the worst salesman I think I have ever seen. And he's just irritating as fuck to listen to.
Every time someone talks about how he's "charming in person" I feel like checking their hairline for scars.
He had money, property, and was backed by his father. That explains it really.
The thing is, he's not even in the top 10 for NYC real estate deals. There are a bunch of smart, inventive people in that market, but Trump's not even a real player, just riding daddy's coattails.
I know so many people who think this. They think the government is stealing their money via taxes and try to do everything in their power to pay as little as possible. And then they bitch that taxes are so complicated.
I've said in the tax thread that a lot of people feel taxes (and by extension, the budget) is a "success fee"
Trying to get back on topic, has the new budget that some people in Congress were trumpeting (heh) last week actually seen the light of day?
Do you know when everybody in Real Estate gets paid? When a deal happens.
Do you know what everybody in Real Estate gets paid if they stop the deal because this guy is clearly a fucking idiot asshole who won't stop lying? Nothing.
Real Estate deals have a huge inertia behind them and most involved folks have a lot of incentive to have them happen. Add in a little light glad handing/favor doing/bribery to those who don't and you pretty well explain Trump.
Plus, it's kinda hard for someone in NYC real estate to not have made money over the last 30 years.
You'd have to be functionally braindead
Given that financial analysts say he'd be richer today if he had just stuck that inheritance in the safest, lowest-return investments possible and left it there, I'd say we have an answer to that.
This sounds really bad, but ignoring the whole Tax thing (since that's a different thread), what other kind of normal budget related fuckery did they sneak in there? Unfortunately, the article is pretty much worthless on that kind of thing
EDIT: found a better article: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breaking-fiscal-2018-budget-passed-senate/story?id=50609167
Oh, and it also opens up drilling in ANWR, because that's clearly budgetary
EDIT2: rehosted to shrink down the image. I can't find the actual rules for the dimension limits, only the 1mb thing?
Also worth noting a number of house members have decided their going to base their re-election next year on running against the Republican Senate because they have to blame something for not being able to get any of their agenda done and they refuse to admit they could be at fault. Not going to turn this into a election thread, but knowledge worth knowing because if they fail to get a budget through, that could be the sole reason that results in neither chamber being able to compromise.
Finally, the one good thing even though the budget is shit if they pass something. At best we get another CR, which isn't great either since that doesn't account in changes in priorities or breakthroughs that change the costs of spending. The budget is a framework on how they'll spend and raise money. Everything beyond that has to be enacted by a bill, which means many of these efforts can be shut down. This is one of the reasons why they don't have to worry about POTUS (I'd say in theory Trump could avoid having to any part of the why it fails, but it's Trump and he'll stick his dick in this and likely emboldened the worst elements of the party in Republican House Caucus from even being interested in compromise).
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
In theory, get that wouldn't be too fucking hard if McConnell settled for a CR. Hell, if the agenda had stayed the way they thought it would be, they might have been able to reach a few compromises to be able to run with something that isn't a CR reauthorizing current spending. I'd say that is a big if given the current Congress, but there were concerns we'd get a shutdown in April. Alabama's special election is probably going to be a factor here (I'm assuming the winner would be able to vote on this and that is will be up for a vote). A Moore win is likely to make it harder to get a CR, let alone something new. A Jones victory would make it easier to get a CR, but probably wouldn't help with getting something new.
Plus, thanks to Trump, the GOP has even less time to try and hammer out something new, which is going to require work. They can't exactly afford to wait too long on re-instating CRS payments for health exchanges (granted courts might save them here, if they rule that the payments are legal and most continue). They really can't afford to wait on helping dreamers and there are likely to be no court rulings that will save their asses if they screw around too long. CHIP is another thing that needs to happen and they'll likely take flack if they don't treat carefully there, optics limit how badly they can jack that up, but it doesn't strike me as something they can get away with ignoring forever. No, of these are things the GOP have easy answers for because the party is batshit crazy, if they were saner, these probably would have all been dealt with by now.
Plus, there is their precious tax reform that they want to get done before the end of the year and that isn't proven to be something that won't be as straight forward as they thought it would. Just check out the thread on it, to see how much of train wreck that is shaping up to be.
Finally, since it's Trump and well in the real world, shit happens. The priority to do list will keep growing. So the longer some of this takes, the less time the GOP will have to get something done. I see little reason for the Democrats to save the GOP from having to fully own a shutdown, and they will get to fully own this one if it happens, if the GOP refuses to act on those current list. Hell, we're dealing with Trump and his batshit crazy wing, who seem keen on a shutdown being okay. So they might feel up to sticking their tongues into the electric socket now because they honestly believe this would help them.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Not to divert this thread off-topic, but the Toronto Star did an in-depth piece on the Trump Tower Toronto fiasco. I think the headline will explain why I post it in response to DA's post: How every investor lost money on Trump Tower Toronto (but Donald Trump made millions anyway)
For those who didn't read TFA, it doesn't paint a rosy picture. There's no telling what's going to happen and the rather unsurprising brinkmanship coming from the GOP base appears to be egging them on to oblivion.
Reuters is a news service.
We... are likely headed for a shutdown. But hey, who knows. He might cave.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
How does he see that ending positively for him?
Blame democrats and retain the base that got him elected
Same as all of his other plans
Hell, and considering the mess he is getting us into by actively destroying government agencies, this may be one of the few times in our history where (other than for the hardworking men and women who will lose their well deserved wages) a government shutdown will actually help advance the agenda of government.
If the government is shut down, then it is a crime to say, fire your science specialists and replace them with industry stooges. Or have meetings over tax cuts for the rich at the expense of workers in blue states.
I thought they weren’t going after Trump called the meeting pointless on twitter before it even began
Might just wanna stealthily show that there's at least some responsible adults in the room.
It looks like that article was posted about 4 hours ago, right after Trump's tweet. It has since been cancelled by the Dems.
No they're right. Apparently right after Trump said this, Dems declined the meeting.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Then they're being the adults who don't have time for the wailing of a spoiled toddler.
Ignoring the fact that the President and Congressional Leadership need the Democrats or they fail. Hard.
Really is a fucking clownshoes parade in Washington. And if the media don't get their act together and report accurately (example, don't resort to a "both sides are to blame"), then burn it all down. Fucking tired of the media being wishy washy over appearing partisan by reporting the truth. Guess what, media? You're going to get called on it anyway, so you might as well do. your. fucking. job.
He's a moron.
I'm not seeing anyone report on it this way. Although I don't bother with places like Fox where that is a foregone conclusion.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
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Because McConnell's promises are worth... anything? Fuck any Republican who believes his "promise", especially since their objections are sometimes counter to one another.