American Police are historically reluctant to take harsh action against white people with guns
The most recent high profile example being when Cliven Bundy and other idiots like him took over federal land and the police and FBI kinda did nothing but show up and keep an eye on them even when they were doing shit like pointing guns at federal agents and going into town to resupply
edit legitimate fears of another waco aside it was still an incredibly muted response to essentially an armed insurrection
edit edit so all the shit people are saying are things that have happened and some of them fairly recently
I've never really understood character customization in a single player game with a first person view
there's multiplayer
plus you make sounds and see your hands
Plus there is the intrinsic benefit some people get from being able to know that the character they are playing as is the one they themselves made. Even if they never see it in-game, they know it is there.
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I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
My main concern is that most of the open-world games I've played leave you the option to play as a "bad guy." And if they expand that too far in this game, that would be incredibly catastrophic. "You know what, Player Character? You're right, the white race is being unfairly oppressed in this country! Here's a rope."
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
I absolutely admit that I'm coming from a position of super duper white dude privilege and ignorance here, but I kinda just wonder what the point of even including the option is in a very specific premise like this, if there is no contextual repercussions.
If there's no change then it just seems... shallow? I'm not sure.
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
I absolutely admit that I'm coming from a position of super duper white dude privilege and ignorance here, but I kinda just wonder what the point of even including the option is in a very specific premise like this, if there is no contextual repercussions.
If there's no change then it just seems... shallow? I'm not sure.
Because it lets people represent themselves in games. POC/nonbinary/trans/etc characters are so underrepresented as main characters in video games that people like having the option to play as someone like them. That's what I've been told, anyway.
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
I absolutely admit that I'm coming from a position of super duper white dude privilege and ignorance here, but I kinda just wonder what the point of even including the option is in a very specific premise like this, if there is no contextual repercussions.
If there's no change then it just seems... shallow? I'm not sure.
It still adds a level of immersion and representation that is sorely needed.
I mean, if they added a checkbox when you made your character that just added a sexual preference title on the stat screen and that affected literally no other aspect of the game at all, I would still be over the moon about it.
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
How about if you play as a POC who gets subjected to racist shit and then gets to blow the local racist sheriff into low orbit? Eh?
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
How about if you play as a POC who gets subjected to racist shit and then gets to blow the local racist sheriff into low orbit? Eh?
but they always try to drag it out to increase the tension and subject you to more of it. you'd have to put up with that racist shit till the end of the game. I know I couldn't do that
I was thinking the other day of how they'd handle trans stuff in games, because it'd be nice to have that segment of the population able to see themselves in games more
and I think it's best done if it's just... not a thing? Like, just make it an option in the gender selection thing but let you choose everything else as you wish. Any other option seems like it'd come off as shitty.
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
How about if you play as a POC who gets subjected to racist shit and then gets to blow the local racist sheriff into low orbit? Eh?
I feel like this is at least in part what Mafia 3 was going for
I wonder how characters will respond to you if you play a POC and/or lady, as opposed to a white fella.
I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
How about if you play as a POC who gets subjected to racist shit and then gets to blow the local racist sheriff into low orbit? Eh?
I feel like this is at least in part what Mafia 3 was going for
Mafia 3 at least has some historical context to the racism, too. Not to imply that America is less racist now, it was just... significantly more overt and less dogwhistle-y then.
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
I was thinking the other day of how they'd handle trans stuff in games, because it'd be nice to have that segment of the population able to see themselves in games more
and I think it's best done if it's just... not a thing? Like, just make it an option in the gender selection thing but let you choose everything else as you wish. Any other option seems like it'd come off as shitty.
Giving the player power to choose any race or gender without NPCs giving you any shit about it definitely has a place in modern gaming, and I think it could be very powerful. But having NPCs express racist or sexist or generally white patriarchalist sentiments and giving the player the power to oppose these is equally powerful. Both approaches are positive.
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I'm pretty okay with that
Like the idea that the rest of the community is not cool with these white extremists is perhaps fancifully optimistic, but I don't know that I super needed a game about how crushingly terrible everyone is.
Like the idea that the rest of the community is not cool with these white extremists is perhaps fancifully optimistic, but I don't know that I super needed a game about how crushingly terrible everyone is.
Like the idea that the rest of the community is not cool with these white extremists is perhaps fancifully optimistic, but I don't know that I super needed a game about how crushingly terrible everyone is.
Instead, though, Ubisoft is promising pressure. And to have pressure, you need to sell not only the terror of the villain, but the humanity of the victims, too. You need to show people at work and at rest, but never able to be at peace.
At this point, it's hard to know whether FC5 will nail that, but at the very least, Ubisoft Montreal is smart enough to foreground Montanans as average Americans (and their own incredibly pulpy saviors) in the debut trailer and a set of series of character vignettes that released today. We get mechanics working on engines, and an old man sitting with his dog. We get a local, no-bullshit bartender whose family was targeted by the cult, and the crop duster who has reason to consider a vigilante use for his planes. And we get a Black preacher—the first positive image of faith in the game's PR push—pining for vengeance in a bombed out church. Pressure.
I can't make black characters in character creators any more after Get Out.
I think that's really interesting. I can see that angle, but I don't really share the view - it's very, very rare that I feel myself as "inhabiting" a video game protagonist. 99% of the time, it's the same as a movie protagonist, for me. I'm here to see their story, not mine, if that makes sense.
So when I build a PoC protagonist, it's me creating the protagonists I want to see more of in stories, and never a representation of how I see myself or how I want to be seen.
I can't make black characters in character creators any more after Get Out.
I think that's really interesting. I can see that angle, but I don't really share the view - it's very, very rare that I feel myself as "inhabiting" a video game protagonist. 99% of the time, it's the same as a movie protagonist, for me. I'm here to see their story, not mine, if that makes sense.
So when I build a PoC protagonist, it's me creating the protagonists I want to see more of in stories, and never a representation of how I see myself or how I want to be seen.
I feel you. When I'm playing a game I never ask myself "What decision should I make here?" but always "What decision do I think this character should make here?" It's a subtle distinction, but it's a pretty big perspective differene.
I can't make black characters in character creators any more after Get Out.
I think that's really interesting. I can see that angle, but I don't really share the view - it's very, very rare that I feel myself as "inhabiting" a video game protagonist. 99% of the time, it's the same as a movie protagonist, for me. I'm here to see their story, not mine, if that makes sense.
So when I build a PoC protagonist, it's me creating the protagonists I want to see more of in stories, and never a representation of how I see myself or how I want to be seen.
This is why cipher protagonists (like Gordon Freeman or Chrono) lose me. I'm me all of the time. I enjoy it, but I don't need to be me in a game.
Oh you're an American cop vs white supremacists? Man, I wonder how they're going to handle the bringing them sweet tea gameplay. Like, will they have a QTE for the brewing and pouring, or do you just like "pick up sweet tea" and it's in your inventory? I wonder how many different options they'll have for you to say "do you feel like giving up now? It's totally fine if you don't"
Wait, sweet tea? Does the game relocate Montana to be between Alabama and Louisiana?
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You see in real life the police are really nice to white supremacists
so the premise of the joke is that in this game you will be nice to them too
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Pinko commie lieberals such as what typically occupies this forum often criticize the behaviour of police officers
there's multiplayer
plus you make sounds and see your hands
American Police are historically reluctant to take harsh action against white people with guns
The most recent high profile example being when Cliven Bundy and other idiots like him took over federal land and the police and FBI kinda did nothing but show up and keep an eye on them even when they were doing shit like pointing guns at federal agents and going into town to resupply
edit legitimate fears of another waco aside it was still an incredibly muted response to essentially an armed insurrection
edit edit so all the shit people are saying are things that have happened and some of them fairly recently
A quick google says FC5 will have a Co-op Campaign.
I'm still not sold they can stick the landing, considering how bad the writing in 3 and 4 was, but we'll see I guess.
Dog buddy sounds fun though.
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Plus there is the intrinsic benefit some people get from being able to know that the character they are playing as is the one they themselves made. Even if they never see it in-game, they know it is there.
I haven't seen the film yet, and probably won't for ages, but I'd be very curious to hear a brief explanation of why.
The explanation would involve too many spoilers.
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I hope they don't actually do a difference because if they did, what they would say would HAVE to be extremely uncomfortable to hear.
Yeahhhhh I don't know how they'd do that without it just being awful. Like, people play games to escape, I wouldn't want to be a POC playing a POC in a game and have to be subjected to racist shit.
I absolutely admit that I'm coming from a position of super duper white dude privilege and ignorance here, but I kinda just wonder what the point of even including the option is in a very specific premise like this, if there is no contextual repercussions.
If there's no change then it just seems... shallow? I'm not sure.
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Because it lets people represent themselves in games. POC/nonbinary/trans/etc characters are so underrepresented as main characters in video games that people like having the option to play as someone like them. That's what I've been told, anyway.
It still adds a level of immersion and representation that is sorely needed.
I mean, if they added a checkbox when you made your character that just added a sexual preference title on the stat screen and that affected literally no other aspect of the game at all, I would still be over the moon about it.
How about if you play as a POC who gets subjected to racist shit and then gets to blow the local racist sheriff into low orbit? Eh?
but they always try to drag it out to increase the tension and subject you to more of it. you'd have to put up with that racist shit till the end of the game. I know I couldn't do that
and I think it's best done if it's just... not a thing? Like, just make it an option in the gender selection thing but let you choose everything else as you wish. Any other option seems like it'd come off as shitty.
Austin wrote some stuff based on the advanced looked have had at the game
I feel like this is at least in part what Mafia 3 was going for
Mafia 3 at least has some historical context to the racism, too. Not to imply that America is less racist now, it was just... significantly more overt and less dogwhistle-y then.
Giving the player power to choose any race or gender without NPCs giving you any shit about it definitely has a place in modern gaming, and I think it could be very powerful. But having NPCs express racist or sexist or generally white patriarchalist sentiments and giving the player the power to oppose these is equally powerful. Both approaches are positive.
Like the idea that the rest of the community is not cool with these white extremists is perhaps fancifully optimistic, but I don't know that I super needed a game about how crushingly terrible everyone is.
yeah we have Bloodborne for that
seems like they want people focusing on the crazy religious cult angle
I think that's really interesting. I can see that angle, but I don't really share the view - it's very, very rare that I feel myself as "inhabiting" a video game protagonist. 99% of the time, it's the same as a movie protagonist, for me. I'm here to see their story, not mine, if that makes sense.
So when I build a PoC protagonist, it's me creating the protagonists I want to see more of in stories, and never a representation of how I see myself or how I want to be seen.
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I feel you. When I'm playing a game I never ask myself "What decision should I make here?" but always "What decision do I think this character should make here?" It's a subtle distinction, but it's a pretty big perspective differene.
This is why cipher protagonists (like Gordon Freeman or Chrono) lose me. I'm me all of the time. I enjoy it, but I don't need to be me in a game.
Wait, sweet tea? Does the game relocate Montana to be between Alabama and Louisiana?
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