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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] This guy, who I named "Brexit", did something stupid

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    the corbyn/momentum situation is especially depressing because a strong socialist movement driven by young people ought to be a good thing for britain. it's exactly what everyone has been saying we need for years. but all the energy is getting wasted on some guy who isn't going to be pm ever

    From what I've seen, he barely wants to be in politics. As far as I can tell he can't even really articulate any policy positions he has, everything has been wishy-washy and half-assed.

  • Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
    Important note to remember: Once that letter is sent the UK has two years to come up with an agreement, if they can't then they are out regardless (well the EU countries can vote not to but that is unlikely). The EU hold all the cards.

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Mc zany wrote: »
    Important note to remember: Once that letter is sent the UK has two years to come up with an agreement, if they can't then they are out regardless (well the EU countries can vote not to but that is unlikely). The EU hold all the cards.

    I mean we do have the option of a suicide pact, if the British economy tanks it will be bad news for the entire world never mind Europe. That is basically all May has, it's kind of like entering a negotiation by holding a gun to our head and saying "if we pull the trigger it's going to make a real mess of your carpet and that's going to be quite an inconvenience and expense to replace!".

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo A lemon squeezed in the salty fist of Poseidon Registered User regular
    The momentum stuff on the today programming just left me confused. They seem to be fighting an ideological war against people who want the opposition party to stop twiddling their thumbs and start opposing the increasingly right wing government.

    These are not two ends of an argument, they are orthogonal

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  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    It's easier to understand if you accept the arch-enemies of Corbyn and Momentum aren't the Tories, but the Labour party.

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    Number 10 firmly ruled out an early general election. In the past Theresa May has said repeatedly that she has not plans to call an early general election, but this morning her spokesman was firmer, saying: “There is not going to be one [an early general election]. He also ruled out any election before 2020, the date when the next one is due under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, saying that any election outside the FTPA timetable would count as early. “There is not going to be one until 2020,” he said.

    The Frankenstein's monster that is Jeremy Corbyn gets to live another 3 years.

  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    It's easier to understand if you accept the arch-enemies of Corbyn and Momentum aren't the Tories, but the Labour party.
    AvP comes to mind.

    Whoever wins (out of Momentum and the Tories), we lose.

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    altid wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see what happens to sterling after that announcement.

    Isn't there a pretty consistent pattern when it comes to Brexit-related events? The pound will drop like a rock, the FTSE will jump up.

  • PerduraboPerdurabo Registered User regular
    Yeah the pound dropped 0.2% at the announcement today. But I've been reading that people seem to think that the pound won't drop so much this time around. The pound was massively inflated the day of the brexit vote, as all markets believed it would be a vote to remain. There was also a belief that the pound was historically overvalued anyway, as we aren't big exporters.

    I've mentioned before I'm moving to Italy in the next few months - I get my redundancy money in April, hopefully it's worth something by the time I move in May. I've bought as many euros as I can afford in the meantime.

    Bah.
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo A lemon squeezed in the salty fist of Poseidon Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    altid wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see what happens to sterling after that announcement.

    Isn't there a pretty consistent pattern when it comes to Brexit-related events? The pound will drop like a rock, the FTSE will jump up.

    With warning the currency should cope a little better

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    Nothing is shocking at the point and I suspect giving a week's notice that the voting is coming will help spread the fall in value over that time frame rather than just one sudden drop which grabs all the headlines.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    The single living person that Momentum hate the most is Tony Blair

    AKA the only successful Labour candidate since the 1970s

  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    The Labour years in power are cited as the party's lowest point by the hard left. Being out of power while the country falls apart is great, because it means you haven't sacrificed your principles, and are therefore pure.

    If you offered the hardcore Corbynistas a Labour party consisting only of themselves with maybe ten to fifteen MPs who are support Corbyn 100%, they'd snap your hand off, and delight in the destruction of the rest of the party as traitors.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    And that's why as far as I am concerned they're not on my side and the party needs to be taken back from them

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  • PerduraboPerdurabo Registered User regular
    edited March 20
    But when the membership is overwhelmingly Corbynista, what's to be done? I feel like there needs to be a new party, there's no getting it back from them. There was a poll of the membership fpr the greatest Labour leader of all time, and he came first. Of all time!!!

    EDIT: Ok, I checked and he's only second best of all time.
    The poll asked members to choose up to three of Labour’s leaders as their favourite. Clement Attlee came in top with 45 per cent of the vote but only 5 per cent behind him was the party’s current leader on 40 per cent. John Smith was third with 31 and Harold Wilson fourth on 28 per cent.

    Tony Blair came in at number six with 21 per cent and Ed Miliband was at number 10 with 11 per cent.

    The poll, conducted by YouGov, also asked members which type of voters they think Labour should “mainly target in future general election campaigns”. Some 24 per cent said Conservative and UKIP voters and 68 per cent said people who for other parties and those who do not normally vote .

    Asked about how Labour should approach Brexit at the next general election 41% of people said the party should promise to go ahead with Brexit, but look to negotiate a close relationship with the rest of the EU. A position that is most similar to Labour’s current stance. Just under a third, 30 per cent, wanted the party to promise to hold a second referendum on whether Britain should go ahead with Brexit or remain in the EU after all and a minority, 11 per cent, said Labour should promise to stop Brexit and keep Britain inside the EU.

    Members ranked their top four overall issues Labour should prioritise as health (66 per cent), housing (43 per cent), Britain leaving the EU (43 per cent) and the economy (37 per cent).

    More than half, 56 per cent, of those asked also said they had more loyalty towards the party than Jeremy Corbyn, whereas 19 per cent said loyalty to Corbyn outranked loyalty to the party. Six per cent said neither and 17 per cent said they had loyalty to both equally.

    Members were also asked about whether they considered key figures in the Labour movement to be a ‘Blairite’:

    Tony Blair
    Is a Blairite 91
    Is not a Blairite 2

    Gordon Brown
    Is a Blairite 44

    Is not a Blairite 39

    Ed Miliband
    Is a Blairite 31
    Is not a Blairite 50

    Jeremy Corbyn
    Is a Blairite 2
    Is not a Blairite 91

    Tom Watson
    Is a Blairite 25
    Is not a Blairite 47

    John McDonnell
    Is a Blairite 3
    Is not a Blairite 77

    Sadiq Khan
    Is a Blairite 37
    Is not a Blairite 34

    Clive Lewis
    Is a Blairite 9
    Is not a Blairite 44

    Kezia Dugdale
    Is a Blairite 16
    Is not a Blairite 25

    Lisa Nandy
    Is a Blairite 10
    Is not a Blairite 28

    Len McCluskey (General Secretary of Unite)
    Is a Blairite 3
    Is not a Blairite 75

    Dave Prentis (General Secretary of Unison)
    Is a Blairite 7
    Is not a Blairite 50[\quote]

    Perdurabo on
    Bah.
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  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Perdurabo wrote: »
    But when the membership is overwhelmingly Corbynista, what's to be done? I feel like there needs to be a new party, there's no getting it back from them. There was a poll of the membership fpr the greatest Labour leader of all time, and he came first. Of all time!!!

    A mass defection of moderate labour MP's to the liberal democrats and my glorious politically viable centrist/centre left party becomes a reality.

    YOU'RE ALL BABIES.
    SO MUCH POTENTIAL TO WASTE.
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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Teresa May is in (American) Vogue :?

    http://www.vogue.com/article/british-prime-minister-theresa-may-interview-brexit-political-views

    Dammit Vogue I subscribe to you on youtube.

  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The only honest man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Should've passed that one onto Teen Vogue, I hear they've been kicking ass lately

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Vogue: how to dress for a power lunch
    Teen Vogue: how to smash the patriarchy

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  • Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    The existence of the Labour party prevents a prolotarian uprising.

    In the world of fruitcakes.

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  • PerduraboPerdurabo Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Perdurabo wrote: »
    But when the membership is overwhelmingly Corbynista, what's to be done? I feel like there needs to be a new party, there's no getting it back from them. There was a poll of the membership fpr the greatest Labour leader of all time, and he came first. Of all time!!!

    A mass defection of moderate labour MP's to the liberal democrats and my glorious politically viable centrist/centre left party becomes a reality.

    But the moderates still remember what happened to the SDP in the 1980s. But if they don't split nothing will changè. I never thought I'd see the day Labour polled so badly...they're 12 points behind with 18-24 year olds, it's incredible.

    Going back to that poll, it's amusing how 2% don't consider Blair a blairite, and also just how many think Gordon Brown and Tom Watson are. I think Blairite is close to Neoliberal in its meaningless as a term.

    Bah.
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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Teresa May is in (American) Vogue :?

    http://www.vogue.com/article/british-prime-minister-theresa-may-interview-brexit-political-views

    Dammit Vogue I subscribe to you on youtube.

    Softballs incoming! Softballs batted away! Good job Teresa May!

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    Russia once again enters the scene

    British banks handled vast sums of laundered Russian money
    Britain’s high street banks processed nearly $740m from a vast money-laundering operation run by Russian criminals with links to the Russian government and the KGB, the Guardian can reveal.

    HSBC, the Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds, Barclays and Coutts are among 17 banks based in the UK, or with branches here, that are facing questions over what they knew about the international scheme and why they did not turn away suspicious money transfers.

    Documents seen by the Guardian show that at least $20bn appears to have been moved out of Russia during a four-year period between 2010 and 2014. The true figure could be $80bn, detectives believe.

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  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    Difficult to unite when Corbyn's allies have spent the day briefing against Watson.

  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    I can't believe how quickly we went from rebel backbencher set to change the world to impotent idiot so passive he can barely stand against a gentle breeze.

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    When did he adopt such a patronising tone.

    And a suit.

  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    I kind of want an early election. It'd probably head off Corbyn's plans to hand over to a successor. Given three more years I'm sure he can utterly hollow out the Labour Party.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    edited March 20
    JoeUser wrote: »
    Russia once again enters the scene

    British banks handled vast sums of laundered Russian money
    Britain’s high street banks processed nearly $740m from a vast money-laundering operation run by Russian criminals with links to the Russian government and the KGB, the Guardian can reveal.

    HSBC, the Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds, Barclays and Coutts are among 17 banks based in the UK, or with branches here, that are facing questions over what they knew about the international scheme and why they did not turn away suspicious money transfers.

    Documents seen by the Guardian show that at least $20bn appears to have been moved out of Russia during a four-year period between 2010 and 2014. The true figure could be $80bn, detectives believe.

    Well it's good to know that we'll still have some valuable economic function.

    EDIT: Hey who remembers the Opium Wars? Good times!

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Well.

    Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness dies aged 66 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I kind of want an early election. It'd probably head off Corbyn's plans to hand over to a successor. Given three more years I'm sure he can utterly hollow out the Labour Party.

    Serious question, do you actually see any way back for the labour party now?

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo A lemon squeezed in the salty fist of Poseidon Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    I kind of want an early election. It'd probably head off Corbyn's plans to hand over to a successor. Given three more years I'm sure he can utterly hollow out the Labour Party.

    Serious question, do you actually see any way back for the labour party now?

    Maybe if it splits? Otherwise they'll need to get crushed at at least one GE to change anything

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Well.

    Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness dies aged 66 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899

    Bad timing for it, what with the DUP being shitty, Brexit looming and all that could mean for NI.

    Got to remember that the worst case scenario for NI in case of Brexit is the Troubles flaring up again. Its remote, but it should be considered.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    Huh, UKIP's Nigel Sussman is in Crimea ...

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  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    I kind of want an early election. It'd probably head off Corbyn's plans to hand over to a successor. Given three more years I'm sure he can utterly hollow out the Labour Party.

    Serious question, do you actually see any way back for the labour party now?

    Sure. The Tories came back from getting utterly crushed in '97, Labour recovered, eventually, from getting repeatedly crushed in the 80's. I think if they aren't shot of Corbyn within a year it'll be a long, long road. They might split, of course, though there doesn't really seem to be much appetite for it right now.

    They did the hard work of clearing out the militant tendency in the 80's and wrenching the party into electable form before, they can do it again. It looks harder now because there's no one to rally round and say hey this person can do the job. Perhaps enough of Corbyn's idiot supporters have to see him fail in a national election before they'll say hmmm well I guess it would help if we had someone who appealed to more than a field's worth of people. I could be wrong, though, obviously. The stubbornness and stupidity of his supporters can't be underestimated.

    If I had to guess I'd say May won't call an early election, Corbyn will get his lower-threshold rule change to allow him to install someone younger and less off-putting to the general public, but who'll still be tarnished by association and by the leftover Corbynites in the shadow cabinet and top team and will go on to heavily lose the next election. UKIP will pick up a lot of seats because people will be outraged that Brexit hasn't turned out to be a barrel of laughs, the Lib Dems may get back to pre-coalition levels of MPs. Labour will probably then give up the ghost and split or someone will emerge and drag it back to the sunny electable uplands. Or they'll just limp on, like a wounded dog no one wants to put down.

  • 101101 Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    Huh, UKIP's Nigel Sussman is in Crimea ...


    I, uh,

    What?

    what is he doing?

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    101 wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    Huh, UKIP's Nigel Sussman is in Crimea ...


    I, uh,

    What?

    what is he doing?

    Tipping his party's hand?

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie This is NOT normalRegistered User regular
    "Long live a free and just Russia!"

    ...he said while standing in occupied Crimea.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    101 wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    Huh, UKIP's Nigel Sussman is in Crimea ...


    I, uh,

    What?

    what is he doing?

    No idea! He just started tweeting pictures of himself there

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie This is NOT normalRegistered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Well.

    Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness dies aged 66 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899

    Bad timing for it, what with the DUP being shitty, Brexit looming and all that could mean for NI.

    Got to remember that the worst case scenario for NI in case of Brexit is the Troubles flaring up again. Its remote, but it should be considered.

    It won't have a huge impact because he'd already stepped down before the last election, and that election proved Sinn Féin are getting on just great without him. They've had no trouble capitalising on Brexit.

    It's the end of an era though, and it's the loss of a man whose experience and diplomacy would have been a real help to Northern Ireland in the days to come. I loathe the IRA and have little time for Sinn Féin, but Martin McGuinness was someone I respected. I don't think I'm the only one who felt that way.

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