A Labour government would bring an end to freedom of movement from the EU, the party’s shadow Brexit secretary confirmed.
Going further than his leader Jeremy Corbyn, who had previously said Labour did not rule out free movement continuing, Keir Starmer said the EU referendum result was “largely a result of concerns about freedom of movement” and that it must end when Britain leaves the EU.
How progressive
Didn't I hear on the news this morning that they would focus on keeping us in the single market?
What is this mass insanity that makes people think they can have one and not the other?
There's just got to be some way to be in the single market without having to take... those people.
You know. Them.
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A Labour government would bring an end to freedom of movement from the EU, the party’s shadow Brexit secretary confirmed.
Going further than his leader Jeremy Corbyn, who had previously said Labour did not rule out free movement continuing, Keir Starmer said the EU referendum result was “largely a result of concerns about freedom of movement” and that it must end when Britain leaves the EU.
How progressive
Didn't I hear on the news this morning that they would focus on keeping us in the single market?
What is this mass insanity that makes people think they can have one and not the other?
Separation of the four freedoms is the EU's red line, they can't allow that and hope to remain a going concern. If the UK negotiators insist on wasting time and pissing people off by doing this, the UK will end up getting kicked out with no deal.
And what the hell happened that Labour is anti-Freedom of Movement? They're effectively pro-hard Brexit right now, leaving the Remain parties as what, Greens and Lib-Dems? This shit is like the Darkest Timeline filtered through House of Cards except with Blackadder (or Baldrick, depending the party) instead of Urquhart.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
I imagine Corbyn and co think their working class voters are worried about immigrants stealing their jobs and don't think they can win a public debate about it, so are just shrugging and saying OK then we'll be anti-immigration for a bit but definitely not racist you guys.
It's depressing. The only Labour figure I can think of to stand up and speak for immigration in a major way of late was Blair.
I imagine Corbyn and co think their working class voters are worried about immigrants stealing their jobs and don't think they can win a public debate about it, so are just shrugging and saying OK then we'll be anti-immigration for a bit but definitely not racist you guys.
It's depressing. The only Labour figure I can think of to stand up and speak for immigration in a major way of late was Blair.
To be fair, that short coming extends to just about every topic you can conceive of.
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Corbyn's Brexit plan appears suspiciously like the Conservative Brexit plan, just with a plain white sticker over the Tory bit with LABOUR written in felt tip pen.
I do not get UK politics. You have 48% of the population who don't want to Brexit and you have one-ish party that sorta says they'll represent that while the two major ones want to fight over the 52% despite one of them having a huge advantage in that group.
Corbyn's Brexit plan appears suspiciously like the Conservative Brexit plan, just with a plain white sticker over the Tory bit with LABOUR written in felt tip pen.
Its so nice that two people with as diverse backgrounds and ideologies as Corbin and May can band together for the common cause of utterly destroying 1000 years of English relevance as a European and world power and returning the nation to the glory days of 1065.
I do not get UK politics. You have 48% of the population who don't want to Brexit and you have one-ish party that sorta says they'll represent that while the two major ones want to fight over the 52% despite one of them having a huge advantage in that group.
First Past The Post is an awful, awful system whose faults have always been widely known - but never exemplified quite so much in UK politics as in this election.
Yeah, we're stuck with a FPTP system until it really starts hurting the Tories. Happy to be corrected on this but I recall when we had the referendum on getting rid of FPTP, the three main parties were broken down as follows:
Conservatives: Against change Labour: Split Lib Dems: Supported change.
When you then looked at how those parties would have benefitted from a non-FPTP system in previous elections, the results looked like:
Conservatives: Always lost seats Labour: Sometimes won seats, sometimes lost seats Lib Dems: Always won seats
Draw your own conclusions.
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Somehow Britain seems intent on reenacting the election from the simpsons where the two tentacle monster aliens trying to take over the US decide to just run against each other and their motto is "what choice do you really have?"
Yeah, we're stuck with a FPTP system until it really starts hurting the Tories. Happy to be corrected on this but I recall when we had the referendum on getting rid of FPTP, the three main parties were broken down as follows:
Draw your own conclusions.
I think that is with a straight proportional representation system, the system proposed by the referendum was with the alternative vote system (basically it allows you to nominate an alternative candidate). With that one it is hard to determine the winners and losers because we have no idea on where people would placed their alternative votes.
But yes, in a PR vote the lib dems would become kingmakers almost every election as there would be little chance of any one party getting 51%, which would give an explaination as to why they are all for it.
The EU intends to exclude the financial services sector from a trade deal with the UK after Brexit, according to the latest tweaks in the EU's draft negotiating guidelines.
EU citizens must also be granted permanent residency in the UK after 5 years of living there.
I do not get UK politics. You have 48% of the population who don't want to Brexit and you have one-ish party that sorta says they'll represent that while the two major ones want to fight over the 52% despite one of them having a huge advantage in that group.
Also, remember that the '52%' is not 52% of actual potential voters, and is shrinking with every day even in terms of actual voters.
Also, the 52% all want some sort of Brexit, far fewer want the Brexit the conservatives and labor are planning.
I do not get UK politics. You have 48% of the population who don't want to Brexit and you have one-ish party that sorta says they'll represent that while the two major ones want to fight over the 52% despite one of them having a huge advantage in that group.
Also, remember that the '52%' is not 52% of actual potential voters, and is shrinking with every day even in terms of actual voters.
Also, the 52% all want some sort of Brexit, far fewer want the Brexit the conservatives and labor are planning.
The only logical reason is believing that Remainers are not willing to be single issue voters on the matter while Leavers are, or at least some larger percentage there of.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
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It's astonishing that people are actually MORE supporting of the conservatives rather than switching to any other party.
Well, which party would you switch to?
No, try and say one while keeping a straight face.
The Greens. No, really.
None of what's happening now matters at all if Climate Change reaches the point of no return. Because that's it, game over humans.
Spoilers: It probably already has.
Yeah.
The human race can figure out how to survive in the vacuum of space, I doubt we are ever going to go extinct.
Maybe endangered compared to current population numbers, but the same argument could be made that our self destruction of our own habitat is a consequence of current overpopulation and any extinction level event is simply returning us to a stable population level.
The EU intends to exclude the financial services sector from a trade deal with the UK after Brexit, according to the latest tweaks in the EU's draft negotiating guidelines.
EU citizens must also be granted permanent residency in the UK after 5 years of living there.
No surprise there. Sorting out a trade deal for imports and exports is about the simplest thing you can arrange, and that's still so complicated the odds of it being sorted within two years are not good. Trying to make the current financial passport arrangement work in post-Brexit UK would be nigh on impossible.
The EU intends to exclude the financial services sector from a trade deal with the UK after Brexit, according to the latest tweaks in the EU's draft negotiating guidelines.
EU citizens must also be granted permanent residency in the UK after 5 years of living there.
No surprise there. Sorting out a trade deal for imports and exports is about the simplest thing you can arrange, and that's still so complicated the odds of it being sorted within two years are not good. Trying to make the current financial passport arrangement work in post-Brexit UK would be nigh on impossible.
You could stopgap things by agreeing that as long as UK law matches EU law on the subject, then the passport stays in place. It's a kludge and there are details that would need to be worked out, but it'd buy time for a more solid deal and allow you to keep the financial passport in place. The thing is that the EU doesn't want a non-EU country to be the financial capital of the EU, and the UK doesn't want to be bound by EU laws.
Unless there's a fuck huge change in messages coming from the Brexit negotiations, I think that financial firms will start the serious levels of moving in about six months or so.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
The EU intends to exclude the financial services sector from a trade deal with the UK after Brexit, according to the latest tweaks in the EU's draft negotiating guidelines.
EU citizens must also be granted permanent residency in the UK after 5 years of living there.
No surprise there. Sorting out a trade deal for imports and exports is about the simplest thing you can arrange, and that's still so complicated the odds of it being sorted within two years are not good. Trying to make the current financial passport arrangement work in post-Brexit UK would be nigh on impossible.
You could stopgap things by agreeing that as long as UK law matches EU law on the subject, then the passport stays in place. It's a kludge and there are details that would need to be worked out, but it'd buy time for a more solid deal and allow you to keep the financial passport in place. The thing is that the EU doesn't want a non-EU country to be the financial capital of the EU, and the UK doesn't want to be bound by EU laws.
Unless there's a fuck huge change in messages coming from the Brexit negotiations, I think that financial firms will start the serious levels of moving in about six months or so.
No, you couldn't. The agreements that allow the UK the financial passport are predicated on the four freedoms. The only way to say "okay we're just going to carry this over" is to keep those, and the only way the UK is doing that is if May has been playing a long con (or whoever replaces her as Prime Minister steps in) and goes for a BEANO solution. "Brexit existing as name only."
Financial firms know this. It's why they started making plans before Article 50 was even invoked, never mind waiting for negotiations to conclude.
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The EU intends to exclude the financial services sector from a trade deal with the UK after Brexit, according to the latest tweaks in the EU's draft negotiating guidelines.
EU citizens must also be granted permanent residency in the UK after 5 years of living there.
No surprise there. Sorting out a trade deal for imports and exports is about the simplest thing you can arrange, and that's still so complicated the odds of it being sorted within two years are not good. Trying to make the current financial passport arrangement work in post-Brexit UK would be nigh on impossible.
You could stopgap things by agreeing that as long as UK law matches EU law on the subject, then the passport stays in place. It's a kludge and there are details that would need to be worked out, but it'd buy time for a more solid deal and allow you to keep the financial passport in place. The thing is that the EU doesn't want a non-EU country to be the financial capital of the EU, and the UK doesn't want to be bound by EU laws.
Unless there's a fuck huge change in messages coming from the Brexit negotiations, I think that financial firms will start the serious levels of moving in about six months or so.
No, you couldn't. The agreements that allow the UK the financial passport are predicated on the four freedoms. The only way to say "okay we're just going to carry this over" is to keep those, and the only way the UK is doing that is if May has been playing a long con (or whoever replaces her as Prime Minister steps in) and goes for a BEANO solution. "Brexit existing as name only."
Financial firms know this. It's why they started making plans before Article 50 was even invoked, never mind waiting for negotiations to conclude.
Well yeah, but talking about Brexit possibilities while fully acknowledging what killing freedom of movement means does get old because it's mostly variations on how massively fucked the UK is. I think the only notable point about the financial passport announcement is that taking it off the table now probably means that it's going away no matter what the UK does (outside of ditching the entire brexit thing).
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
The EU intends to exclude the financial services sector from a trade deal with the UK after Brexit, according to the latest tweaks in the EU's draft negotiating guidelines.
EU citizens must also be granted permanent residency in the UK after 5 years of living there.
No surprise there. Sorting out a trade deal for imports and exports is about the simplest thing you can arrange, and that's still so complicated the odds of it being sorted within two years are not good. Trying to make the current financial passport arrangement work in post-Brexit UK would be nigh on impossible.
You could stopgap things by agreeing that as long as UK law matches EU law on the subject, then the passport stays in place. It's a kludge and there are details that would need to be worked out, but it'd buy time for a more solid deal and allow you to keep the financial passport in place. The thing is that the EU doesn't want a non-EU country to be the financial capital of the EU, and the UK doesn't want to be bound by EU laws.
Unless there's a fuck huge change in messages coming from the Brexit negotiations, I think that financial firms will start the serious levels of moving in about six months or so.
No, you couldn't. The agreements that allow the UK the financial passport are predicated on the four freedoms. The only way to say "okay we're just going to carry this over" is to keep those, and the only way the UK is doing that is if May has been playing a long con (or whoever replaces her as Prime Minister steps in) and goes for a BEANO solution. "Brexit existing as name only."
Financial firms know this. It's why they started making plans before Article 50 was even invoked, never mind waiting for negotiations to conclude.
Well yeah, but talking about Brexit possibilities while fully acknowledging what killing freedom of movement means does get old because it's mostly variations on how massively fucked the UK is. I think the only notable point about the financial passport announcement is that taking it off the table now probably means that it's going away no matter what the UK does (outside of ditching the entire brexit thing).
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There's just got to be some way to be in the single market without having to take... those people.
You know. Them.
Separation of the four freedoms is the EU's red line, they can't allow that and hope to remain a going concern. If the UK negotiators insist on wasting time and pissing people off by doing this, the UK will end up getting kicked out with no deal.
And what the hell happened that Labour is anti-Freedom of Movement? They're effectively pro-hard Brexit right now, leaving the Remain parties as what, Greens and Lib-Dems? This shit is like the Darkest Timeline filtered through House of Cards except with Blackadder (or Baldrick, depending the party) instead of Urquhart.
It's depressing. The only Labour figure I can think of to stand up and speak for immigration in a major way of late was Blair.
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To be fair, that short coming extends to just about every topic you can conceive of.
Its so nice that two people with as diverse backgrounds and ideologies as Corbin and May can band together for the common cause of utterly destroying 1000 years of English relevance as a European and world power and returning the nation to the glory days of 1065.
First Past The Post is an awful, awful system whose faults have always been widely known - but never exemplified quite so much in UK politics as in this election.
Conservatives: Against change
Labour: Split
Lib Dems: Supported change.
When you then looked at how those parties would have benefitted from a non-FPTP system in previous elections, the results looked like:
Conservatives: Always lost seats
Labour: Sometimes won seats, sometimes lost seats
Lib Dems: Always won seats
Draw your own conclusions.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!
I think that is with a straight proportional representation system, the system proposed by the referendum was with the alternative vote system (basically it allows you to nominate an alternative candidate). With that one it is hard to determine the winners and losers because we have no idea on where people would placed their alternative votes.
But yes, in a PR vote the lib dems would become kingmakers almost every election as there would be little chance of any one party getting 51%, which would give an explaination as to why they are all for it.
"We are committed to fighting tourism both at home and abroad"
You're so screwed. I can't tell if that's a call for more domestic racism or showing an interest in some Middle Eastern bombing action.
Then we just have to deal with home-grown tourists. The insidious threat of the radicalised hill-walker.
Such a passionate slogan too. So inspiring and not crowd tested and fear mongering at all.
very important stuff here
fuck, build some new ones just for his visit.
EU to exclude financial services from post-Brexit deal
Also, remember that the '52%' is not 52% of actual potential voters, and is shrinking with every day even in terms of actual voters.
Also, the 52% all want some sort of Brexit, far fewer want the Brexit the conservatives and labor are planning.
The only logical reason is believing that Remainers are not willing to be single issue voters on the matter while Leavers are, or at least some larger percentage there of.
The human race can figure out how to survive in the vacuum of space, I doubt we are ever going to go extinct.
Maybe endangered compared to current population numbers, but the same argument could be made that our self destruction of our own habitat is a consequence of current overpopulation and any extinction level event is simply returning us to a stable population level.
Defeatism sure is fun huh?
MWO: Adamski
No surprise there. Sorting out a trade deal for imports and exports is about the simplest thing you can arrange, and that's still so complicated the odds of it being sorted within two years are not good. Trying to make the current financial passport arrangement work in post-Brexit UK would be nigh on impossible.
As a long time despiser of Peter Lilley, this warms my heart.
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You could stopgap things by agreeing that as long as UK law matches EU law on the subject, then the passport stays in place. It's a kludge and there are details that would need to be worked out, but it'd buy time for a more solid deal and allow you to keep the financial passport in place. The thing is that the EU doesn't want a non-EU country to be the financial capital of the EU, and the UK doesn't want to be bound by EU laws.
Unless there's a fuck huge change in messages coming from the Brexit negotiations, I think that financial firms will start the serious levels of moving in about six months or so.
No, you couldn't. The agreements that allow the UK the financial passport are predicated on the four freedoms. The only way to say "okay we're just going to carry this over" is to keep those, and the only way the UK is doing that is if May has been playing a long con (or whoever replaces her as Prime Minister steps in) and goes for a BEANO solution. "Brexit existing as name only."
Financial firms know this. It's why they started making plans before Article 50 was even invoked, never mind waiting for negotiations to conclude.
Well yeah, but talking about Brexit possibilities while fully acknowledging what killing freedom of movement means does get old because it's mostly variations on how massively fucked the UK is. I think the only notable point about the financial passport announcement is that taking it off the table now probably means that it's going away no matter what the UK does (outside of ditching the entire brexit thing).
*hugs*
Not an official confirmation, but it would seem a poor choice after haranguing May for not taking part.
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Corbyn should know by now getting into a debate with her won't end in tears.