AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
edited February 2018
Changes that I could see:
Rupture
30 Life on hit against Bleeding enemies. Far Shot
30% Inc. Projectile Speed. Ricochet
Is now prefaced by Far Shot. Now gives 10 % More damage to Projectiles for each remaining Chain, a buff to Single target. New node, Gathering Winds
1000 Evasion if you have a Tailwind Buff. Tailwind is gained by using a Skill or having a Deadeye use a Skill near you recently. 10 % Increased effect of Tailwind (10% MORE Movement, Attack, Cast, and Movement Speed, I guess?) per Skill used recently, capping at 100% (at cap, you would have 20 % faster everything, if I got the wording correctly). Fast and Deadly
Projectile Speed removed, now gives double Accuracy and halves Blink/Mirror Arrow cooldown. Powerful Precision
Attack Projectiles no longer return to you, but +3 Pierce.
So while 1000 Eva is pretty lame, 10 % faster character at least and Blink/Mirror Arrow looks pretty useful now. Double accuracy can also be better than at first glance.
I'm sure some builds can greatly benefit from this but I was hoping for more Fork/Chain fun stuff.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited February 2018
10% Faster is +10% Action Speed, which is animation time. See also: Acceleration shrines.
So yes, +10% faster everything.
Edit: Acceleration Shrines are a bad example. A better one would be the Slipstream effect.
Headsman and Bane of Legends positions swapped. A bit iffier levelling. Headsman AoE on kill buffed to 20%, no reflected phys damage Overwhelm
Stun immunity now permanent, moved here, Stun changed to 100% Inc. stun duration. Endless Hunger and Brutal Fervour
Bleed Immunity and Leech Effects not removed at full Life swapped. Fervour now gives 30% Inc. Damage while Leeching. Impact
Now gives Splash damage to single-target Melee attacks.
The cannot be stunned moved to Overwhelm means very little for Melee Slayers since now it just means you spend an extra point on Unwavering Stance.
So there are changes to what will be the most popular nodes/paths, I bet. Stun might be more popular.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited February 2018
Impact no longer has damage decrease on it to compensate for the splash? Oooooh
Man if they are going to fucking make me wait till the last second till reveal the gladiator I expect bleedplosions to now be bleed nukes ! I mean worst case scenario and I don’t like it I will go back to my trickster or try a fire damage chieftain for the first time.
Also hey they posted the occultist just now , or I just saw it just now. My classes really did end up being the last one .
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
Forbidden Power
5 % AoE and Spell Dmg/P. charge, +1 to max P. charge, gain 1 P. charge per 200 mana spent (whoa)
2 points:Profane Bloom
You can apply curse to Hexproof enemies (!!!!!), cursed enemies have 25 % chance to explode when killed by your or your minions for 1/4 of their max life as Chaos Dmg
4 points: Malediction
+1 curse on enemies, 15 % inc curse effects, all enemies cursed now have Malediction (they deal 10 % less damage, and take 10 % more), 8 % of non-chaos damage as extra chaos damage for 4 seconds when you kill a cursed enemy, per curse
Void Beacon
Nearby enemies have -20 % to chaos res, and 100 % reduced life regen
2 points: Wicked Ward
100 to ES, recharge not interrupted if it began recently
4 points: Vile Bastion
150 to max ES, 1 % regen of ES/sec for every enemy killed recently by you or minions up to 30 % per sec, cannot be stunned while you have any ES whatsoever (holy shit that is basically mandatory)
ES is back dewds.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
Cannot be stunned while you have ES?
Well, that removes a significant equipment consideration component.
AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
edited February 2018
Without going full golem I can't see how Elementalist competes with Occultist and that Vile Bastion node. Curse effectiveness and extra curses can be found on the tree and on gear, and now minions synergize with the nodes as well.
2 pts: Harness the Void
All hits: 20 % chance to gain 50 % of non-chaos damage as extra chaos dmg, 15 % to gain ALL non-chaos damage as extra chaos dmg, 10 % chance to gain 200 % of non-chaos damage as extra chaos (holy hell this rewards increasing attacks per second a lot)
2 pts: Patient Reaper (now leads into Prolonged Pain just like Harness the Void!)
50 % more DoT, Get 2 % of life, 2 % of ES, 4 % of mana on kill, 70 % recovery of life, mana and ES if you have killed an enemy affected by DoT recently (god damn another basically mandatory node, but that is awful against bosses with no adds)
4 pts: Prolonged Pain
20 % more skill effect duration, 10 % less DoT taken, 20 % increased Poison duration, 15 % more DoT
Swift Killer
+ 1 to max F. charge and P. charges, 15 % to gain a F and a P charge on kill, 5 % increased damage per F/P charge (on kill. That is not fun against bosses)
Weave the Arcane
25 % more mana, no mana cost to move skills, 20 % to attack/cast if you used a move skill recently, 20 % chance to recover 10 % of mana when you use a skill, 6 % reduced damage taken for 4 secs if you have used 200 mana (this sounds fiddly but 20 % to attack and cast can't be ignored).
2 pts: Ghost Dance
40 % increased attack and cast speed if your ES recharge started recently, 20 % more chance to Evade with full ES, 10 % chance to dodge attacks and spell damage as well as 10 % more move speed if you have ANY ES. (this is probably really useful, but doesn't sound very fun)
4 pts: Escape Artist
+5 to Eva rating per 1 max ES in helmet, +1 to max ES per 6 eva rating on body armor, 8 % reduced damage and you cannot be stunned if you have been hit recently. (making use of this sounds so finicky but no serial stuns is so good)
Stun amelioration is getting a BIG push this league.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
occultist is SO good now
i liked it as it was but like
free curse effect no need for cospris etc.. very silly
also the change from 4% to 8% is CRAZY gbecause if you are running say 5x curse thats 40% all damag as chaos, which is like 80% if you are doing even a single conversion
Trickster is out looking even better for ed/con and even poison builds.
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
edited February 2018
Maybe Scorching Ray Trickster is viable.
Not liking that they gated the Eva/ES gains behind that gear finagling, but I guess that can be super strong if you find the right combo.
Wait. Harness the Void has a chance to add cha dmg every time non-cha dmg is applied with a hit. That means HtV Tricksters with conversion could be absolutely outrageous.
-Timed buffs are stupid. I'm all for having temporary benefits, but you should be able to control when you have them. PoE isn't a game that lends itself in any way to maximizing short-term buffs. Your baseline map-clearing damage needs to be sufficient without it; your boss damage will mostly revolve around you having time to stand still and deal damage, regardless of buff uptime.
-Occultist looks crazy good. Has some big bonuses that bypass the major downsides of its focal mechanics: stuns for ES builds and curse effectiveness on bosses/hexproof mobs. To a lesser extent: power charges give non-crit benefits. Void Beacon getting no buff is a little weird.
-Deadeye looks viable, which is a first.
-Trickster got real good. It was already good. Now it's crazy.
-Elementalist is actually really good, I know people were expecting the return of old-school prolif, but that was never going to happen. A bunch of timed buffs keep me from considering it though.
-I think the generic-bonus classes are going to be surprisingly powerful in some off the wall builds. Champion, for example. Spell-based Deadeye. Non-totem Heirophant. As much as GGG wants to give classes a mechanic they excel at, they've also done a great job giving them enough ancillary benefits that don't require that mechanic to be useful.
-Slayer changes make it harder to level with, and roughly as powerful as before after uber lab. The stun immunity change just means Slayer no longer has permanent stun immunity, or stun immunity of any kind, which is fair.
Highest innate chain is Arc, which chains 7 times. A Deadeye Arcer would have 80% more single target damage, which would greatly improve Arc's greatest weakness.
E: There is also a helm enchant for +3 chain on Arc, which would make it 110% more.
2E: Also there is Vaal Arc which chains 40 times. I don't know the viablity of it, but that would be 410% more damage. Could be very interest as a boss killing skill linked with Trap/Mine/etc.
But arc isn’t a projectile
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
btw harness the void is the most fucked up broken piece of shit node they ever put in the game
200% of all damage as chaos
do a double conversion
thats 600%
o and as worded they are independent, so G O D L I K E T R I P L E R O X
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
my league starter is going to be a melee ignite prolif witch i made it work last league i bet it can be a better meme this time and the gear for it is cheap because nobody wants it
surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
another version of that build that might be better is a lepers alms eye of innocnce trickster using that void noid, because you can burn off chaos damage using leper
but lepers alms has a stupid interaction with self ignite which is that the frame you remove an ignite you cant reapply it, even if in the order of operations you feel like you should, so its a lot more fiddly
I'm pretty sure conversion double dipping won't work that way in 3.2
they cant stop me
but also even if they fix it that shit is a 45% more node with no downside and u have those dank dual phys chaos nodes in shadow spown
I don't know what any of this means but sounds amazing.
What would a build look like?
literally anything that roots off physical damage then converts
so an easy meme would be going glacial cascade -> winters spirit on tree to get 100% cold conversion -> then dual pyres + cold to fire gem to get 30% added as fire and 100% conversion
this would get you triple dipping from any added chaos, because "non-chaos damage" converts at every stage of the conversion - so 200% added from the phys, converted to cold, then 200% added from the cold, then to fire, then 200% added from the fire - but that 200% would even be bigger because youve scaled up the amount of fire damage. then you take those nodes in shadow spawn which apply twice - they first increase the base phys damage by 10% and then the added chaos by 10% because they are dual type. then you get an elder neck with 15% non-chaos added as chaos or whatever other meme you feel like
its e x t r e m e l y s i l l y in its current incarnation. because that trickster node doesnt seem to be exclusive you could potentially get more than one of those procs at the same time, etc
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
Kinda not okay with bleedsplosions being a 4 pointer instead of two ,in fact gladiator is kinda underwhelming.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited February 2018
Gladiator wasn't changed nearly as much as I hoped.
The +4% Max Block is nice for max block though, and the Cannot be Stunned by Hits you Block. The movement speed increase on Violent Retaliation going away is sad though
Would of liked to see more offensive benefits for the max block side of Gladiator. Defense wasn't really the problem.
Speaking of Zana, the marathon to reach Zana Level 8 is shorter from 3.2.0 onwards, as quite a lot of Zana's quests now grant additional reputation for her when they are completed.
Speaking of Zana, the marathon to reach Zana Level 8 is shorter from 3.2.0 onwards, as quite a lot of Zana's quests now grant additional reputation for her when they are completed.
Gee, this sounds like a good idea /finally
I like how they only did this one they removed breach lol
I would have liked to try out Zana Breach'ing a bunch of T15/T16 maps in the last two leagues, but even my immense poopsocking of this game isn't enough to get Zana 8.
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Rupture
30 Life on hit against Bleeding enemies.
Far Shot
30% Inc. Projectile Speed.
Ricochet
Is now prefaced by Far Shot. Now gives 10 % More damage to Projectiles for each remaining Chain, a buff to Single target.
New node, Gathering Winds
1000 Evasion if you have a Tailwind Buff. Tailwind is gained by using a Skill or having a Deadeye use a Skill near you recently. 10 % Increased effect of Tailwind (10% MORE Movement, Attack, Cast, and Movement Speed, I guess?) per Skill used recently, capping at 100% (at cap, you would have 20 % faster everything, if I got the wording correctly).
Fast and Deadly
Projectile Speed removed, now gives double Accuracy and halves Blink/Mirror Arrow cooldown.
Powerful Precision
Attack Projectiles no longer return to you, but +3 Pierce.
So while 1000 Eva is pretty lame, 10 % faster character at least and Blink/Mirror Arrow looks pretty useful now. Double accuracy can also be better than at first glance.
I'm sure some builds can greatly benefit from this but I was hoping for more Fork/Chain fun stuff.
So yes, +10% faster everything.
Edit: Acceleration Shrines are a bad example. A better one would be the Slipstream effect.
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o misread that
that rule's
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW609b3UMAAgepa.jpg
No more stun immunity while leeching!
Headsman and Bane of Legends positions swapped. A bit iffier levelling.
Headsman AoE on kill buffed to 20%, no reflected phys damage
Overwhelm
Stun immunity now permanent, moved here, Stun changed to 100% Inc. stun duration.
Endless Hunger and Brutal Fervour
Bleed Immunity and Leech Effects not removed at full Life swapped. Fervour now gives 30% Inc. Damage while Leeching.
Impact
Now gives Splash damage to single-target Melee attacks.
The cannot be stunned moved to Overwhelm means very little for Melee Slayers since now it just means you spend an extra point on Unwavering Stance.
So there are changes to what will be the most popular nodes/paths, I bet. Stun might be more popular.
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
Also hey they posted the occultist just now , or I just saw it just now. My classes really did end up being the last one .
The Occultist!
Forbidden Power
5 % AoE and Spell Dmg/P. charge, +1 to max P. charge, gain 1 P. charge per 200 mana spent (whoa)
2 points:Profane Bloom
You can apply curse to Hexproof enemies (!!!!!), cursed enemies have 25 % chance to explode when killed by your or your minions for 1/4 of their max life as Chaos Dmg
4 points: Malediction
+1 curse on enemies, 15 % inc curse effects, all enemies cursed now have Malediction (they deal 10 % less damage, and take 10 % more), 8 % of non-chaos damage as extra chaos damage for 4 seconds when you kill a cursed enemy, per curse
Void Beacon
Nearby enemies have -20 % to chaos res, and 100 % reduced life regen
2 points: Wicked Ward
100 to ES, recharge not interrupted if it began recently
4 points: Vile Bastion
150 to max ES, 1 % regen of ES/sec for every enemy killed recently by you or minions up to 30 % per sec, cannot be stunned while you have any ES whatsoever (holy shit that is basically mandatory)
ES is back dewds.
Well, that removes a significant equipment consideration component.
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Challenge rewards!
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2092352
Helmet, Wings and Portal at the usual threshholds.
No challenges revealed before launch this time.
The new Trickster is here.
https://i.redd.it/8lcnxecvxgi01.jpg
2 pts: Harness the Void
All hits: 20 % chance to gain 50 % of non-chaos damage as extra chaos dmg, 15 % to gain ALL non-chaos damage as extra chaos dmg, 10 % chance to gain 200 % of non-chaos damage as extra chaos (holy hell this rewards increasing attacks per second a lot)
2 pts: Patient Reaper (now leads into Prolonged Pain just like Harness the Void!)
50 % more DoT, Get 2 % of life, 2 % of ES, 4 % of mana on kill, 70 % recovery of life, mana and ES if you have killed an enemy affected by DoT recently (god damn another basically mandatory node, but that is awful against bosses with no adds)
4 pts: Prolonged Pain
20 % more skill effect duration, 10 % less DoT taken, 20 % increased Poison duration, 15 % more DoT
Swift Killer
+ 1 to max F. charge and P. charges, 15 % to gain a F and a P charge on kill, 5 % increased damage per F/P charge (on kill. That is not fun against bosses)
Weave the Arcane
25 % more mana, no mana cost to move skills, 20 % to attack/cast if you used a move skill recently, 20 % chance to recover 10 % of mana when you use a skill, 6 % reduced damage taken for 4 secs if you have used 200 mana (this sounds fiddly but 20 % to attack and cast can't be ignored).
2 pts: Ghost Dance
40 % increased attack and cast speed if your ES recharge started recently, 20 % more chance to Evade with full ES, 10 % chance to dodge attacks and spell damage as well as 10 % more move speed if you have ANY ES. (this is probably really useful, but doesn't sound very fun)
4 pts: Escape Artist
+5 to Eva rating per 1 max ES in helmet, +1 to max ES per 6 eva rating on body armor, 8 % reduced damage and you cannot be stunned if you have been hit recently. (making use of this sounds so finicky but no serial stuns is so good)
Stun amelioration is getting a BIG push this league.
i liked it as it was but like
free curse effect no need for cospris etc.. very silly
also the change from 4% to 8% is CRAZY gbecause if you are running say 5x curse thats 40% all damag as chaos, which is like 80% if you are doing even a single conversion
Not liking that they gated the Eva/ES gains behind that gear finagling, but I guess that can be super strong if you find the right combo.
Wait. Harness the Void has a chance to add cha dmg every time non-cha dmg is applied with a hit. That means HtV Tricksters with conversion could be absolutely outrageous.
-Timed buffs are stupid. I'm all for having temporary benefits, but you should be able to control when you have them. PoE isn't a game that lends itself in any way to maximizing short-term buffs. Your baseline map-clearing damage needs to be sufficient without it; your boss damage will mostly revolve around you having time to stand still and deal damage, regardless of buff uptime.
-Occultist looks crazy good. Has some big bonuses that bypass the major downsides of its focal mechanics: stuns for ES builds and curse effectiveness on bosses/hexproof mobs. To a lesser extent: power charges give non-crit benefits. Void Beacon getting no buff is a little weird.
-Deadeye looks viable, which is a first.
-Trickster got real good. It was already good. Now it's crazy.
-Elementalist is actually really good, I know people were expecting the return of old-school prolif, but that was never going to happen. A bunch of timed buffs keep me from considering it though.
-I think the generic-bonus classes are going to be surprisingly powerful in some off the wall builds. Champion, for example. Spell-based Deadeye. Non-totem Heirophant. As much as GGG wants to give classes a mechanic they excel at, they've also done a great job giving them enough ancillary benefits that don't require that mechanic to be useful.
-Slayer changes make it harder to level with, and roughly as powerful as before after uber lab. The stun immunity change just means Slayer no longer has permanent stun immunity, or stun immunity of any kind, which is fair.
But arc isn’t a projectile
200% of all damage as chaos
do a double conversion
thats 600%
o and as worded they are independent, so G O D L I K E T R I P L E R O X
they cant stop me
but also even if they fix it that shit is a 45% more node with no downside and u have those dank dual phys chaos nodes in shadow spown
my league starter is going to be a melee ignite prolif witch i made it work last league i bet it can be a better meme this time and the gear for it is cheap because nobody wants it
dyadian dawn, dyadus, etc
but lepers alms has a stupid interaction with self ignite which is that the frame you remove an ignite you cant reapply it, even if in the order of operations you feel like you should, so its a lot more fiddly
i love conflux
I don't know what any of this means but sounds amazing.
What would a build look like?
literally anything that roots off physical damage then converts
so an easy meme would be going glacial cascade -> winters spirit on tree to get 100% cold conversion -> then dual pyres + cold to fire gem to get 30% added as fire and 100% conversion
this would get you triple dipping from any added chaos, because "non-chaos damage" converts at every stage of the conversion - so 200% added from the phys, converted to cold, then 200% added from the cold, then to fire, then 200% added from the fire - but that 200% would even be bigger because youve scaled up the amount of fire damage. then you take those nodes in shadow spawn which apply twice - they first increase the base phys damage by 10% and then the added chaos by 10% because they are dual type. then you get an elder neck with 15% non-chaos added as chaos or whatever other meme you feel like
its e x t r e m e l y s i l l y in its current incarnation. because that trickster node doesnt seem to be exclusive you could potentially get more than one of those procs at the same time, etc
It’s very rarely that I see someone who can achieve meme excellence to this level.
necro changes
basically you spec into a minion type now and mistress of sacrifice got slammed
50% cooldown reduction on Convocation is the most wonderful buff ever though.
The +4% Max Block is nice for max block though, and the Cannot be Stunned by Hits you Block. The movement speed increase on Violent Retaliation going away is sad though
Would of liked to see more offensive benefits for the max block side of Gladiator. Defense wasn't really the problem.
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they should make it affect tempest shield
some balance changes
tldr
less onogoroshi biscos nerf no zana breach monster damage rebalanced
Good to know.
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Gee, this sounds like a good idea /finally
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And that's five on the whole Atlas, not five affecting any individual map.
Inquisitor77: Rius, you are Sisyphus and melee Wizard is your boulder
Tube: This must be what it felt like to be an Iraqi when Saddam was killed
Bookish Stickers - Mrs. Rius' Etsy shop with bumper stickers and vinyl decals.
I like how they only did this one they removed breach lol
Inquisitor77: Rius, you are Sisyphus and melee Wizard is your boulder
Tube: This must be what it felt like to be an Iraqi when Saddam was killed
Bookish Stickers - Mrs. Rius' Etsy shop with bumper stickers and vinyl decals.
"we made the game less fun and even more deadly"