Is Colleen teaching her students how to mug people?! Why?! Why aren't one of them the one who gets jumped if it's a training exercise? We used to do that in my dojo but not in public. Have a 2v1 or 3v1 fight that is supposed to simulate a full fight with no punches pulled (to the limit of serious harm like really bad bruises or going for the eyes or something bad like that).
They do explain this later. Although, the explanation creates another plot contrivance.
I don't care. The point is Iron Fist was acting stupid, moreso than his naivety should cover. That could have come across way better.
Edit: it might be just from distracting me from staying up until 6 writing notes, but I think I really like this show.
Yeah, the way Danny acts makes no sense. Him not fully grasping American culture is fine. But I'm pretty sure that stalking people, breaking into their homes, and invading their space isn't tolerated in most cultures. He doesn't act like an outsider exploring a new culture. He acts like a robot who's just learning what it means to be human.
No, he acts like a guy who's kinda desperate to reconnect with his old life and who is powerful enough physically and in his place in society that he doesn't fear the consequences of what he's doing. When he breaks into Joy's place he hides when she comes home. He clearly understands it's wrong, he just needed to see his old home more. There's nothing robotic about that.
Which is ridiculous. So he's been able to travel all the way from K'un Lun to New York acting like that and he's never faced any consequences like getting arrested or attacked or simply verbally warned for his completely inappropriate behavior to learn that the shit he's doing is not OK?
The show has to bend backwards and twist itself in knots to accommodate for the sheer idiocy and illegality of Danny's actions. Why the hell isn't he arrested? He assaulted several security guards at Rand. They have video of what happened. He pretty much carjacked Ward and threatened Ward's life. It makes no sense for them not to alert the police and press charges against him.
Danny already knows it's not okay, he's not a simpleton or some "primitive people" trope. He knows there's consequences, and the consequences of regular people really don't threaten him. By that point they've pissed him off enough that he's just done with the "usual way".
No one's going to welcome the dead friend back and show him around? Fine, he'll do it himself.
Security wants to kill him on sight in his family's business? Fine, doing things the right way was just a formality at this point. He doesn't need to be escorted to the top floor, he already knows the way up.
They explain why Ward does what he does, and who is pulling his strings. And as for the police, he's got nothing but disdain for them throughout, and he tells Danny that his security will kill him if he shows up again. So, he's kind of leaning on more permanent extralegal methods.
Like seriously, the very first scene basically covers this pretty well. He shows up and asks nicely to see his family. They throw him out like a vagrant. So he comes back because he's not taking no for an answer here. And then when they try and throw him out more forcefully he calmly and as gently as possible gets them out of his way and goes up. And then after they refuse to deal with him, he leaves peacefully. Now you can say that's breaking and entering and assault or something of the like and that's correct legally but there's also a clear logical escalation going on here that doesn't have anything to do with Danny being a robot or not understanding humans or whatever silliness here.
Everything he does is him trying to reconnect with the people he knew and regain his old life and he just escalates as they push back against that goal.
Maybe look at things from the point of view of Meachum and the people working at Rand? Crazy hobo walks in claiming to own the building and wants meeting with the people who run the company. He's escorted out. He comes back and assault the security. He sneaks up to the office of the Meachums and disrupts their work. He makes an insane claim that he's their long lost friend, who has been presumed dead for 15 years.
If you were in that position. If a crazy person broke into where you worked. If they beat up several of the security guards and snuck up to your office. If they accosted you and made insane claims about a relationship to you. Would you go, "well, technically what that crazy person did was breaking and entering and assault or something, but whatever. I'm sure that was a simple understanding that won't happen again. I didn't feel threatened at all and I won't be looking behind my back for this crazy hobo martial artist when I go home."
One of the first exchanges that Joy and Oldmanface have regarding Randy Dan is that they don't want to draw any attention to him because they worry it will interfere with their burgeoning China deal. The assumption being that the whole ruse is intended to draw unfavourable publicity about the strength of the leadership. Presumably the most obvious reaction is going to the police and also one likely to trigger the trap card.
A contrivance perhaps, but with the exception of the conversation about Joy's driver the issue of physical safety is never one of their concerns - they are characterised as being confident of the security staff and viewing threats only through the lens of business.
Now, you might object "But that's not rational! Your personal safety will always be your primary concern" buuuut I dunno, if calling attention to what isn't yet a direct threat might cost a hundred million dollars, or more I'm not sure everyone would be that trigger happy.
Plus, joy leaves her key on top of her door frame
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And that crazy hobos name was...
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the actress playing colleen does good crazy face very high quality
im actually quite enjoying it its very chill and letting itself play out
what i really want is a show where a japanese guy returns to japan having studied boxing with the marquess of queensberry and gets boxing related superpowers
Is Colleen teaching her students how to mug people?! Why?! Why aren't one of them the one who gets jumped if it's a training exercise? We used to do that in my dojo but not in public. Have a 2v1 or 3v1 fight that is supposed to simulate a full fight with no punches pulled (to the limit of serious harm like really bad bruises or going for the eyes or something bad like that).
They do explain this later. Although, the explanation creates another plot contrivance.
I don't care. The point is Iron Fist was acting stupid, moreso than his naivety should cover. That could have come across way better.
Edit: it might be just from distracting me from staying up until 6 writing notes, but I think I really like this show.
Yeah, the way Danny acts makes no sense. Him not fully grasping American culture is fine. But I'm pretty sure that stalking people, breaking into their homes, and invading their space isn't tolerated in most cultures. He doesn't act like an outsider exploring a new culture. He acts like a robot who's just learning what it means to be human.
No, he acts like a guy who's kinda desperate to reconnect with his old life and who is powerful enough physically and in his place in society that he doesn't fear the consequences of what he's doing. When he breaks into Joy's place he hides when she comes home. He clearly understands it's wrong, he just needed to see his old home more. There's nothing robotic about that.
Which is ridiculous. So he's been able to travel all the way from K'un Lun to New York acting like that and he's never faced any consequences like getting arrested or attacked or simply verbally warned for his completely inappropriate behavior to learn that the shit he's doing is not OK?
The show has to bend backwards and twist itself in knots to accommodate for the sheer idiocy and illegality of Danny's actions. Why the hell isn't he arrested? He assaulted several security guards at Rand. They have video of what happened. He pretty much carjacked Ward and threatened Ward's life. It makes no sense for them not to alert the police and press charges against him.
Danny already knows it's not okay, he's not a simpleton or some "primitive people" trope. He knows there's consequences, and the consequences of regular people really don't threaten him. By that point they've pissed him off enough that he's just done with the "usual way".
No one's going to welcome the dead friend back and show him around? Fine, he'll do it himself.
Security wants to kill him on sight in his family's business? Fine, doing things the right way was just a formality at this point. He doesn't need to be escorted to the top floor, he already knows the way up.
They explain why Ward does what he does, and who is pulling his strings. And as for the police, he's got nothing but disdain for them throughout, and he tells Danny that his security will kill him if he shows up again. So, he's kind of leaning on more permanent extralegal methods.
Like seriously, the very first scene basically covers this pretty well. He shows up and asks nicely to see his family. They throw him out like a vagrant. So he comes back because he's not taking no for an answer here. And then when they try and throw him out more forcefully he calmly and as gently as possible gets them out of his way and goes up. And then after they refuse to deal with him, he leaves peacefully. Now you can say that's breaking and entering and assault or something of the like and that's correct legally but there's also a clear logical escalation going on here that doesn't have anything to do with Danny being a robot or not understanding humans or whatever silliness here.
Everything he does is him trying to reconnect with the people he knew and regain his old life and he just escalates as they push back against that goal.
Maybe look at things from the point of view of Meachum and the people working at Rand? Crazy hobo walks in claiming to own the building and wants meeting with the people who run the company. He's escorted out. He comes back and assault the security. He sneaks up to the office of the Meachums and disrupts their work. He makes an insane claim that he's their long lost friend, who has been presumed dead for 15 years.
If you were in that position. If a crazy person broke into where you worked. If they beat up several of the security guards and snuck up to your office. If they accosted you and made insane claims about a relationship to you. Would you go, "well, technically what that crazy person did was breaking and entering and assault or something, but whatever. I'm sure that was a simple understanding that won't happen again. I didn't feel threatened at all and I won't be looking behind my back for this crazy hobo martial artist when I go home."
One of the first exchanges that Joy and Oldmanface have regarding Randy Dan is that they don't want to draw any attention to him because they worry it will interfere with their burgeoning China deal. The assumption being that the whole ruse is intended to draw unfavourable publicity about the strength of the leadership. Presumably the most obvious reaction is going to the police and also one likely to trigger the trap card.
A contrivance perhaps, but with the exception of the conversation about Joy's driver the issue of physical safety is never one of their concerns - they are characterised as being confident of the security staff and viewing threats only through the lens of business.
Now, you might object "But that's not rational! Your personal safety will always be your primary concern" buuuut I dunno, if calling attention to what isn't yet a direct threat might cost a hundred million dollars, or more I'm not sure everyone would be that trigger happy.
Plus, joy leaves her key on top of her door frame
Doesn't the key not work? I got the impression it was the old key from when he lived there but she has since changed the locks, hence why he goes on the window.
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one thing i do like is that colleen wing looks like shes having fun when punching people over and over again in the face
I thought it started really slow, showed promise as it went on, then finished weakly. Okay over all. I don't regret having watched it and think some people are seriously exaggerating how bad it is. It certainly isn't worse than, say, Arrow.
Which is ridiculous. So he's been able to travel all the way from K'un Lun to New York acting like that and he's never faced any consequences like getting arrested or attacked or simply verbally warned for his completely inappropriate behavior to learn that the shit he's doing is not OK?
The show has to bend backwards and twist itself in knots to accommodate for the sheer idiocy and illegality of Danny's actions. Why the hell isn't he arrested? He assaulted several security guards at Rand. They have video of what happened. He pretty much carjacked Ward and threatened Ward's life. It makes no sense for them not to alert the police and press charges against him.
Danny already knows it's not okay, he's not a simpleton or some "primitive people" trope. He knows there's consequences, and the consequences of regular people really don't threaten him. By that point they've pissed him off enough that he's just done with the "usual way".
No one's going to welcome the dead friend back and show him around? Fine, he'll do it himself.
Security wants to kill him on sight in his family's business? Fine, doing things the right way was just a formality at this point. He doesn't need to be escorted to the top floor, he already knows the way up.
They explain why Ward does what he does, and who is pulling his strings. And as for the police, he's got nothing but disdain for them throughout, and he tells Danny that his security will kill him if he shows up again. So, he's kind of leaning on more permanent extralegal methods.[/quote]
That delves into the why of what he does, it doesn't explain why he's been able to have very little consequences for those actions, and this not exactly endear him as a hero to root for. By following through with those actions and if he's pushed to further with his Iron Fist abilities - this warrants the full weight of the NYPD (who will be pressured into doing this via the Meachum's financial influence) making him a fugitive and someone people would be wary of and not give him the benefit of a doubt the needs it. And unlike DD who was on the run from the law as a vigilante and in a war with a powerful crime syndicate all he did was piss off a wealthy family
yes, they're neck deep in super-villainy too but Danny doesn't know that, to him they're old friends who are dicks.
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
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This would also complicate and/or sabotage his relationship with Colleen which is paper thin. He's lucky Ward is a slimy douche who didn't bring up any incidents of what he's done to him or his sister, instead he went with corrupt snake oil salesman who is Clearly Evil. If he had a brain like his father she likely wouldn't become a future ally down the line because who wants to take the word of a delusional hobo who's threatening and stalking people he thinks are his old friends?
The Father is fantastic, btw. Love every scene he's in, chewing scenery like a boss.
This would also complicate and/or sabotage his relationship with Colleen which is paper thin. He's lucky Ward is a slimy douche who didn't bring up any incidents of what he's done to him or his sister, instead he went with corrupt snake oil salesman who is Clearly Evil. If he had a brain like his father she likely wouldn't become a future ally down the line because who wants to take the word of a delusional hobo who's threatening and stalking people he thinks are his old friends?
The Father is fantastic, btw. Love every scene he's in, chewing scenery like a boss.
Ward specifically brings up "he held a gun to my head" in his conversation with Colleen. It's the thing that pushes her over the edge to contact Danny, in fact. Because it doesn't sound like he's describing the guy she met at all.
Is Colleen teaching her students how to mug people?! Why?! Why aren't one of them the one who gets jumped if it's a training exercise? We used to do that in my dojo but not in public. Have a 2v1 or 3v1 fight that is supposed to simulate a full fight with no punches pulled (to the limit of serious harm like really bad bruises or going for the eyes or something bad like that).
They do explain this later. Although, the explanation creates another plot contrivance.
I don't care. The point is Iron Fist was acting stupid, moreso than his naivety should cover. That could have come across way better.
Edit: it might be just from distracting me from staying up until 6 writing notes, but I think I really like this show.
Yeah, the way Danny acts makes no sense. Him not fully grasping American culture is fine. But I'm pretty sure that stalking people, breaking into their homes, and invading their space isn't tolerated in most cultures. He doesn't act like an outsider exploring a new culture. He acts like a robot who's just learning what it means to be human.
No, he acts like a guy who's kinda desperate to reconnect with his old life and who is powerful enough physically and in his place in society that he doesn't fear the consequences of what he's doing. When he breaks into Joy's place he hides when she comes home. He clearly understands it's wrong, he just needed to see his old home more. There's nothing robotic about that.
Which is ridiculous. So he's been able to travel all the way from K'un Lun to New York acting like that and he's never faced any consequences like getting arrested or attacked or simply verbally warned for his completely inappropriate behavior to learn that the shit he's doing is not OK?
The show has to bend backwards and twist itself in knots to accommodate for the sheer idiocy and illegality of Danny's actions. Why the hell isn't he arrested? He assaulted several security guards at Rand. They have video of what happened. He pretty much carjacked Ward and threatened Ward's life. It makes no sense for them not to alert the police and press charges against him.
Danny already knows it's not okay, he's not a simpleton or some "primitive people" trope. He knows there's consequences, and the consequences of regular people really don't threaten him. By that point they've pissed him off enough that he's just done with the "usual way".
No one's going to welcome the dead friend back and show him around? Fine, he'll do it himself.
Security wants to kill him on sight in his family's business? Fine, doing things the right way was just a formality at this point. He doesn't need to be escorted to the top floor, he already knows the way up.
They explain why Ward does what he does, and who is pulling his strings. And as for the police, he's got nothing but disdain for them throughout, and he tells Danny that his security will kill him if he shows up again. So, he's kind of leaning on more permanent extralegal methods.
Like seriously, the very first scene basically covers this pretty well. He shows up and asks nicely to see his family. They throw him out like a vagrant. So he comes back because he's not taking no for an answer here. And then when they try and throw him out more forcefully he calmly and as gently as possible gets them out of his way and goes up. And then after they refuse to deal with him, he leaves peacefully. Now you can say that's breaking and entering and assault or something of the like and that's correct legally but there's also a clear logical escalation going on here that doesn't have anything to do with Danny being a robot or not understanding humans or whatever silliness here.
Everything he does is him trying to reconnect with the people he knew and regain his old life and he just escalates as they push back against that goal.
Maybe look at things from the point of view of Meachum and the people working at Rand? Crazy hobo walks in claiming to own the building and wants meeting with the people who run the company. He's escorted out. He comes back and assault the security. He sneaks up to the office of the Meachums and disrupts their work. He makes an insane claim that he's their long lost friend, who has been presumed dead for 15 years.
If you were in that position. If a crazy person broke into where you worked. If they beat up several of the security guards and snuck up to your office. If they accosted you and made insane claims about a relationship to you. Would you go, "well, technically what that crazy person did was breaking and entering and assault or something, but whatever. I'm sure that was a simple understanding that won't happen again. I didn't feel threatened at all and I won't be looking behind my back for this crazy hobo martial artist when I go home."
One of the first exchanges that Joy and Oldmanface have regarding Randy Dan is that they don't want to draw any attention to him because they worry it will interfere with their burgeoning China deal. The assumption being that the whole ruse is intended to draw unfavourable publicity about the strength of the leadership. Presumably the most obvious reaction is going to the police and also one likely to trigger the trap card.
A contrivance perhaps, but with the exception of the conversation about Joy's driver the issue of physical safety is never one of their concerns - they are characterised as being confident of the security staff and viewing threats only through the lens of business.
Now, you might object "But that's not rational! Your personal safety will always be your primary concern" buuuut I dunno, if calling attention to what isn't yet a direct threat might cost a hundred million dollars, or more I'm not sure everyone would be that trigger happy.
Plus, joy leaves her key on top of her door frame
That's a huge contrivance since the idea that Danny was part of some scheme makes no sense. Also, Danny just proved to them that their security couldn't protect them.
Also, it's not just a matter of whether or not it's rational. It's an issue of Danny having no consideration for what his actions could be doing to other people. It was just a nice coincidence that the Meachums weren't that threatened by Danny's actions. But can you honestly say that Danny's actions wouldn't cause people to fear for their personal safety? Just because the victim of a crime wasn't hugely upset by it doesn't magically make the criminal's actions OK.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
This would also complicate and/or sabotage his relationship with Colleen which is paper thin. He's lucky Ward is a slimy douche who didn't bring up any incidents of what he's done to him or his sister, instead he went with corrupt snake oil salesman who is Clearly Evil. If he had a brain like his father she likely wouldn't become a future ally down the line because who wants to take the word of a delusional hobo who's threatening and stalking people he thinks are his old friends?
The Father is fantastic, btw. Love every scene he's in, chewing scenery like a boss.
Ward specifically brings up "he held a gun to my head" in his conversation with Colleen. It's the thing that pushes her over the edge to contact Danny, in fact. Because it doesn't sound like he's describing the guy she met at all.
Except he does a terrible job convincing her he's a bad man to avoid. Ultimately all he does is convince her he's not to be trusted and is corrupt AF.
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
I haven't watched yet, but isn't this a world where SHIELD is no longer a thing?
I really need to catch up on my Marvel stuff. I never finished S2 of AoS and didn't even start S2 of DD.
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
I haven't watched yet, but isn't this a world where SHIELD is no longer a thing?
I really need to catch up on my Marvel stuff. I never finished S2 of AoS and didn't even start S2 of DD.
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Shield was reinstituted publicly. But they're having some trouble with stability and such.
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
I haven't watched yet, but isn't this a world where SHIELD is no longer a thing?
I really need to catch up on my Marvel stuff. I never finished S2 of AoS and didn't even start S2 of DD.
Low spoiler version is yeah it is back since the events of Avengers 2. They would not be concerned with a guy who has a few acts of vandalism, and minor harassment though. I doubt he would even pop up on their radar as a problem since he hasn't even hurt anyone a little bit throughout the whole experience, and is relatively compliant with security after the first 5 minutes of episode 1.
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
I haven't watched yet, but isn't this a world where SHIELD is no longer a thing?
I really need to catch up on my Marvel stuff. I never finished S2 of AoS and didn't even start S2 of DD.
Low spoiler version is yeah it is back since the events of Avengers 2. They would not be concerned with a guy who has a few acts of vandalism, and minor harassment though. I doubt he would even pop up on their radar as a problem since he hasn't even hurt anyone a little bit throughout the whole experience, and is relatively compliant with security after the first 5 minutes of episode 1.
Danny got lucky with the Rand cooperation holding back, that's why he got away with no legit consequences and
a paltry small new of guards trying to kill him "off the clock" and those guards were pitiful. Ordinary criminals have given early DD a more difficult time.
He did enough to get the whole department to hunt him down, surely Rand would have greased the wheels there to make things unpleasant.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
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I love it when Marvel characters say shit like "Because I know that in the way elves don't exist" or "I thought they were like Satan and his demons but real" when Thor Ragnarok proves elves do exist and the existence of Ghost Rider in AOS at the very least means Mephisto and hell exists which propably means God and heaven exists (which maybe would make Matt happy to know his faith is valid).
Edit: I find the best way to watch this is to think of a silly Bruce Lee movie with a really funny dub, because taking it Netflix serious isn't going to work and taking it CW DCverse serious is the best you got.
Though Danny keeps invoking Jackie Chan with "I wan't know trouble" so maybe there's influence there.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Ep 10 or 11 spoiler
It sounds like Danny ran away, not that he was sent out into the world.
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
I haven't watched yet, but isn't this a world where SHIELD is no longer a thing?
I really need to catch up on my Marvel stuff. I never finished S2 of AoS and didn't even start S2 of DD.
Low spoiler version is yeah it is back since the events of Avengers 2. They would not be concerned with a guy who has a few acts of vandalism, and minor harassment though. I doubt he would even pop up on their radar as a problem since he hasn't even hurt anyone a little bit throughout the whole experience, and is relatively compliant with security after the first 5 minutes of episode 1.
Danny got lucky with the Rand cooperation holding back, that's why he got away with no legit consequences and
a paltry small new of guards trying to kill him "off the clock" and those guards were pitiful. Ordinary criminals have given early DD a more difficult time.
He did enough to get the whole department to hunt him down, surely Rand would have greased the wheels there to make things unpleasant.
Yeah, I don't know how you can stalk somebody with no consequences. Danny should be admitted to a psych ward...HEY WAIT!
Via extralegal methods, it's not like the police arrested him. I don't even know if they know who he exists.
Did enough damage? Like what? His fights are in no way related to that event. Not even a little bit. Nor is there even a hint at a connection that might exist for them to exploit.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
I have to repeat what I said pages ago, Danny is a very authentic and realistic portrayal of so many hippies I know. His whole demeanor is a perfect likeness to the kind of spiritualist, seeking-enlightenment types that would go to Nepal to search for hidden entrances to the capital cities of heaven. In that, the way he acts and carries himself is very believable.
This would also complicate and/or sabotage his relationship with Colleen which is paper thin. He's lucky Ward is a slimy douche who didn't bring up any incidents of what he's done to him or his sister, instead he went with corrupt snake oil salesman who is Clearly Evil. If he had a brain like his father she likely wouldn't become a future ally down the line because who wants to take the word of a delusional hobo who's threatening and stalking people he thinks are his old friends?
The Father is fantastic, btw. Love every scene he's in, chewing scenery like a boss.
Ward specifically brings up "he held a gun to my head" in his conversation with Colleen. It's the thing that pushes her over the edge to contact Danny, in fact. Because it doesn't sound like he's describing the guy she met at all.
Except he does a terrible job convincing her he's a bad man to avoid. Ultimately all he does is convince her he's not to be trusted and is corrupt AF.
OK. But that thing you said didn't happen totally did happen. For the record.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Well, its not like going crazy stalker or fighting guards is his first instinct. I mean, maybe he should have earned some money and bought clothes and shoes and taken a shower, but he was walking into the building that he thought he owned (and rightfully does belong to him). Besides, we're told you can get in/out of K'un Lun every 15 years, so he's been in the actual world a year tops since he was ten. And in that time, we can surmise, he's been a nomad and a drifter, trying to make his way back to the New York. I don't think he associated much with above board civilization, let alone multi-billion dollar corporate types, in order to make that journey.
I think he has some grasp on how society works, anyway. If he didn't, he would have
fought his way up the Rand building to talk to Joy and Ward; he wouldn't have looked over his shoulder when he grabbed the old key above the door frame as he tries to get into his old apartment; he wouldn't have felt cornered when Joy noted that he had closed the door on her dog, etc. He does the things he does because he has no resources besides what he learned at K'un Lun and the fact that he wants to have a real conversation with the two people in the world left that he cares about.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
Edit: It is also worth noting that his last interaction with the real world was as a super 1%er. He is probably very used to just demanding and getting shit while in America. Being super entitled would be his default reaction, and oh ye gods is he an entitled douche.
Watched the season yesterday and slept on it before posting thoughts.
Full season spoilers + DD S2 spoilers:
They established that people who come back from the dead come back wrong. That probably means Elektra comes back wrong and how they get her to work for the hand if they bring her back at all.
It really wasn't worth watching the show for this titbit though. The other stuff they expanded on was really dull and boring.
Again full season spoilers for IF + DD(1+2):
There's multiple factions of Hand who actively work against each other. One is Chinese who sells opiates using Rand as a front/distributor. The other is a cult that opposes the Chinese faction and magically has a cure for opiate addiction/withdrawal. We don't know this factions relationship to the Hand faction in Daredevil other than they both oppose the Chinese. So there may be 3 factions of the Hand, one Chinese, one Japanese and the cult.
The Gao being the Hand thing took me by surprise and they way they threw things from different cultures together was a bit weird. Maybe I need to rewatch it as I wasn't paying too much attention there due to boredom.
Maybe Gao is the money?
The ending was quite weak. Ending spoilers
Joy is now a potential enemy because reasons and Davos spoke to her about taking down Danny. Sure why not. And Madame Gao is there listening. Sure why fucking not.
We can probably say Harold is really dead after falling that far but the way they play the cremation scene made me wonder. David Wenham did a good job with what he was given but Harold should stay dead. Or come back for 5 minutes to take out Ward because I can't suffer any more of Wards acting.
Also Danny is surprised bad shit happens when he abandons his duty. No shit sherlock.
Next time they should put Danny in a costume so that when they use a double it's not super obvious. If they didn't use a double in some of those fights they were pretty badly shot. It looks like a double in a few places. Or teach Finn to fight.
Danny got lucky with the Rand cooperation holding back, that's why he got away with no legit consequences and a paltry small new of guards trying to kill him "off the clock" and those guards were pitiful. Ordinary criminals have given early DD a more difficult time.
This a problem I have with this series as opposed to the other ones. The threats are inconsistent. Sometimes guns matter, sometimes guns don't. Sometimes only a couple of guys are (sort of) a threat, sometimes they're not. Iron Fist's fights should either be relatively easy for him with in having to struggle with restraint, or they should be difficult when difficulty is expected.
Part of the problem is the fighting style at play I'll admit. It's hard to tell difficulty when the whole point of the choreography is to show minimalism and effortlessness on the part of Iron Fist.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
Learned it how? You keep asserting he should have learned it, but have yet to explain why he would have. The behavior you complain about is completely contained to his interactions with his old friends. It doesn't matter where he went through. This is not a topic that would have come up. Also, he most certainly wasn't going through the civilized part of anywhere. Immigrating into the USA illegally involves a rather lot of lawless activity.
I knew what you were responding to. Your analogy just wasn't relevant in the least. I was in line to get an autograph from Jane Goodall the other day. I got to chatting with the person next to me who casually mentioned how her husband works for the university and has been interviewed on CNN for some project or another. I took it at face value because this particular university is likely to have people interviewed on CNN for their projects. Plausible and no reason to doubt it so why would I? Much like everyone else comes around to after he can display some level of enhanced ability.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
I feel like they did a pretty good job with that overall honestly. They build up good reasons for the Meachums not to want to believe it is Danny while also showing how both came around slowly.
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I'm up to episode 6 and this has been really enjoyable so far.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
This happened to two people. One of them started listening. The other didn't care, hated him, and did everything he could to convince the other person otherwise.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
Even when that person breaks into your work place, beats up the security guards, illegally gains access to areas he's not allowed, and interrupts your job?
Oh, and he only kind of looks like your childhood friend, has no physical evidence or proof, has no knowledge of your current situation like the rather important fact that your father is dead, and doesn't actually provide any personal details in the first meeting. He only provides some personal details in a second meeting after he breaks into your house and a third meeting where he carjacks you. Yup, seems like it would be completely rational to treat the person's claims seriously rather than call the police on him.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
Learned it how? You keep asserting he should have learned it, but have yet to explain why he would have. The behavior you complain about is completely contained to his interactions with his old friends. It doesn't matter where he went through. This is not a topic that would have come up. Also, he most certainly wasn't going through the civilized part of anywhere. Immigrating into the USA illegally involves a rather lot of lawless activity.
Really, is it that hard to learn that trespassing is illegal? Is it that hard to understand what security guards are? Is it that hard to learn about personal space and privacy? Is it that hard to learn that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
As for him going through civilized places, you do know that illegal activities are committed inside cities, don't you? If someone wants to gets some forged documents, they'd have to go to criminals operating inside cities and towns, where they would be exposed to civilization. If Danny wanted to get on a ship traveling to the US, he'd have to go to a major port, inside a big city.
I knew what you were responding to. Your analogy just wasn't relevant in the least. I was in line to get an autograph from Jane Goodall the other day. I got to chatting with the person next to me who casually mentioned how her husband works for the university and has been interviewed on CNN for some project or another. I took it at face value because this particular university is likely to have people interviewed on CNN for their projects. Plausible and no reason to doubt it so why would I? Much like everyone else comes around to after he can display some level of enhanced ability.
Except Danny didn't display any enhanced abilities. He displayed some martial arts. You don't need to be enhanced to know martial arts. If someone showed you $1,000, are you automatically going to believe that they're a millionaire?
There are far more people who have been interviewed on CNN in the real world than there are enhanced people in the MCU. Just about anyone can get interviewed on CNN. Not anyone can have super powers.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
Even when that person breaks into your work place, beats up the security guards, illegally gains access to areas he's not allowed, and interrupts your job?
Oh, and he only kind of looks like your childhood friend, has no physical evidence or proof, has no knowledge of your current situation like the rather important fact that your father is dead, and doesn't actually provide any personal details in the first meeting. He only provides some personal details in a second meeting after he breaks into your house and a third meeting where he carjacks you. Yup, seems like it would be completely rational to treat the person's claims seriously rather than call the police on him.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
Learned it how? You keep asserting he should have learned it, but have yet to explain why he would have. The behavior you complain about is completely contained to his interactions with his old friends. It doesn't matter where he went through. This is not a topic that would have come up. Also, he most certainly wasn't going through the civilized part of anywhere. Immigrating into the USA illegally involves a rather lot of lawless activity.
Really, is it that hard to learn that trespassing is illegal? Is it that hard to understand what security guards are? Is it that hard to learn about personal space and privacy? Is it that hard to learn that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
As for him going through civilized places, you do know that illegal activities are committed inside cities, don't you? If someone wants to gets some forged documents, they'd have to go to criminals operating inside cities and towns, where they would be exposed to civilization. If Danny wanted to get on a ship traveling to the US, he'd have to go to a major port, inside a big city.
I knew what you were responding to. Your analogy just wasn't relevant in the least. I was in line to get an autograph from Jane Goodall the other day. I got to chatting with the person next to me who casually mentioned how her husband works for the university and has been interviewed on CNN for some project or another. I took it at face value because this particular university is likely to have people interviewed on CNN for their projects. Plausible and no reason to doubt it so why would I? Much like everyone else comes around to after he can display some level of enhanced ability.
Except Danny didn't display any enhanced abilities. He displayed some martial arts. You don't need to be enhanced to know martial arts. If someone showed you $1,000, are you automatically going to believe that they're a millionaire?
There are far more people who have been interviewed on CNN in the real world than there are enhanced people in the MCU. Just about anyone can get interviewed on CNN. Not anyone can have super powers.
Yes, crime happens inside cities. Cities also have various subcultures with their own rules and values. Worrying about who owns what typically isn't high up on the list at all. Beyond that, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He just happened to actually own the building, and expected that his surrogate family would recognize him. Given that we have already gone over this I am not certain what point you are trying to make.
You are right. He would have to display his powers. Good thing he openly acknowledges and addresses that every single time it is a problem. I can't think of a single time he doesn't either display his powers, or explain whats going on.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
Even when that person breaks into your work place, beats up the security guards, illegally gains access to areas he's not allowed, and interrupts your job?
Oh, and he only kind of looks like your childhood friend, has no physical evidence or proof, has no knowledge of your current situation like the rather important fact that your father is dead, and doesn't actually provide any personal details in the first meeting. He only provides some personal details in a second meeting after he breaks into your house and a third meeting where he carjacks you. Yup, seems like it would be completely rational to treat the person's claims seriously rather than call the police on him.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
Learned it how? You keep asserting he should have learned it, but have yet to explain why he would have. The behavior you complain about is completely contained to his interactions with his old friends. It doesn't matter where he went through. This is not a topic that would have come up. Also, he most certainly wasn't going through the civilized part of anywhere. Immigrating into the USA illegally involves a rather lot of lawless activity.
Really, is it that hard to learn that trespassing is illegal? Is it that hard to understand what security guards are? Is it that hard to learn about personal space and privacy? Is it that hard to learn that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
As for him going through civilized places, you do know that illegal activities are committed inside cities, don't you? If someone wants to gets some forged documents, they'd have to go to criminals operating inside cities and towns, where they would be exposed to civilization. If Danny wanted to get on a ship traveling to the US, he'd have to go to a major port, inside a big city.
I knew what you were responding to. Your analogy just wasn't relevant in the least. I was in line to get an autograph from Jane Goodall the other day. I got to chatting with the person next to me who casually mentioned how her husband works for the university and has been interviewed on CNN for some project or another. I took it at face value because this particular university is likely to have people interviewed on CNN for their projects. Plausible and no reason to doubt it so why would I? Much like everyone else comes around to after he can display some level of enhanced ability.
Except Danny didn't display any enhanced abilities. He displayed some martial arts. You don't need to be enhanced to know martial arts. If someone showed you $1,000, are you automatically going to believe that they're a millionaire?
There are far more people who have been interviewed on CNN in the real world than there are enhanced people in the MCU. Just about anyone can get interviewed on CNN. Not anyone can have super powers.
Yes, crime happens inside cities. Cities also have various subcultures with their own rules and values. Worrying about who owns what typically isn't high up on the list at all. Beyond that, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He just happened to actually own the building, and expected that his surrogate family would recognize him. Given that we have already gone over this I am not certain what point you are trying to make.
Why would he expect his surrogate family to recognize him? This isn't even a cultural thing. The passage of time and how it can change things and people is something all people can understand. Is Danny so blind and devoid of perspective that he can't recognize how much he's changed over the 15 years and consider the possibility that the Meachums also changed during that time?
As for Danny being involved in crime, as we see later in the show, he clearly understands what crimes are. So it's not like he was naively tricked into committing crimes without understanding their context.
You are right. He would have to display his powers. Good thing he openly acknowledges and addresses that every single time it is a problem. I can't think of a single time he doesn't either display his powers, or explain whats going on.
Yes, it would be perfectly reasonable for the psychologist to believe the dangerous stalker hobo who broke into a place of business, beat up the security guards, accosted the Meachums, later broke into Joy's home, and carjacked and threatened Ward. The risk of letting this dangerous possibly deranged person loose is just as low as believing that a person who may have lied about being interviewed by CNN.
When a guy, who looks like your dead childhood friend, comes in talking about personal details from your life with your dead childhood friend, talking to them seems like a fairly rational option.
Even when that person breaks into your work place, beats up the security guards, illegally gains access to areas he's not allowed, and interrupts your job?
Oh, and he only kind of looks like your childhood friend, has no physical evidence or proof, has no knowledge of your current situation like the rather important fact that your father is dead, and doesn't actually provide any personal details in the first meeting. He only provides some personal details in a second meeting after he breaks into your house and a third meeting where he carjacks you. Yup, seems like it would be completely rational to treat the person's claims seriously rather than call the police on him.
Except it's not just about the consequences to Danny. He's scaring and threatening other people. The world isn't centered around Danny and what he wants. He beats the shit out of guards who were doing their job. He invades people's privacy and personal space. He scares the shit out of the Meachums and threatens them. At this point, I don't give a shit if Danny doesn't care about the consequences to himself, I think he's a sociopathic asshole for not caring about what his actions are doing to other people.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
"beats the shit out of guards" is really stretching it. He never even throws a punch. They swing at him and he flips them, practically gingerly. He fights five guards, and all five are shown moving and conscious throughout, if a little dazed. One of them never even goes to the ground. If it was real life, four of them would probably be checked for a concussion, but they never even lose consciousness. Which by TV standards, and these Netflix Marvel shows in particular, practically makes Danny Gandhi.
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
Learned it how? You keep asserting he should have learned it, but have yet to explain why he would have. The behavior you complain about is completely contained to his interactions with his old friends. It doesn't matter where he went through. This is not a topic that would have come up. Also, he most certainly wasn't going through the civilized part of anywhere. Immigrating into the USA illegally involves a rather lot of lawless activity.
Really, is it that hard to learn that trespassing is illegal? Is it that hard to understand what security guards are? Is it that hard to learn about personal space and privacy? Is it that hard to learn that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
As for him going through civilized places, you do know that illegal activities are committed inside cities, don't you? If someone wants to gets some forged documents, they'd have to go to criminals operating inside cities and towns, where they would be exposed to civilization. If Danny wanted to get on a ship traveling to the US, he'd have to go to a major port, inside a big city.
I knew what you were responding to. Your analogy just wasn't relevant in the least. I was in line to get an autograph from Jane Goodall the other day. I got to chatting with the person next to me who casually mentioned how her husband works for the university and has been interviewed on CNN for some project or another. I took it at face value because this particular university is likely to have people interviewed on CNN for their projects. Plausible and no reason to doubt it so why would I? Much like everyone else comes around to after he can display some level of enhanced ability.
Except Danny didn't display any enhanced abilities. He displayed some martial arts. You don't need to be enhanced to know martial arts. If someone showed you $1,000, are you automatically going to believe that they're a millionaire?
There are far more people who have been interviewed on CNN in the real world than there are enhanced people in the MCU. Just about anyone can get interviewed on CNN. Not anyone can have super powers.
Yes, crime happens inside cities. Cities also have various subcultures with their own rules and values. Worrying about who owns what typically isn't high up on the list at all. Beyond that, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He just happened to actually own the building, and expected that his surrogate family would recognize him. Given that we have already gone over this I am not certain what point you are trying to make.
Why would he expect his surrogate family to recognize him? This isn't even a cultural thing. The passage of time and how it can change things and people is something all people can understand. Is Danny so blind and devoid of perspective that he can't recognize how much he's changed over the 15 years and consider the possibility that the Meachums also changed during that time?
As for Danny being involved in crime, as we see later in the show, he clearly understands what crimes are. So it's not like he was naively tricked into committing crimes without understanding their context.
You are right. He would have to display his powers. Good thing he openly acknowledges and addresses that every single time it is a problem. I can't think of a single time he doesn't either display his powers, or explain whats going on.
Yes, it would be perfectly reasonable for the psychologist to believe the dangerous stalker hobo who broke into a place of business, beat up the security guards, accosted the Meachums, later broke into Joy's home, and carjacked and threatened Ward. The risk of letting this dangerous possibly deranged person loose is just as low as believing that a person who may have lied about being interviewed by CNN.
Because that is literally his only hope of getting his life back? Surprise! Emotions aren't always super rational! Plus he is the same person. It is possible to recognize someone you only knew as a child. Yeah, he wasn't thinking things through in a super clear manner. That is normal! He is trying to reconnect to people from a life he was ripped from 15 years ago using literally the only means available to him. You are also stretching the "threatening Ward" bit to a pretty odd extreme considering how that exchange went down.
Also, why are we now talking about the reactions to his story? No one is questioning that. However, the character you reference actually did want to believe him.
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To be more direct, the doctor there was more than willing to accept this explanation because Danny's story was already fucking stupidly hard to explain. He came in claiming to be the long lost heir to a billion dollar company after being the lone survivor of a plane crash in the middle of no where. In this fucking reality it is more likely that an alternate dimensional monk took you in than surviving that shit. His base fucking story is super nuts which is why the doctor is so completely dismissive. Once established he is skeptical because there is always someone in the psych ward claiming to have super powers in these shows. He wants to believe him though because there is a good chance he really is super human. Danny showed he was willing to get violent while doped up on this shit though, and directly in front of the doctor when he smashed his shit. The whole situation plays out in a way that implies that Danny's story is easily could make sense in their world. This also happens to be the LAST time anyone doubts his story because it is so plausible in their world.
I get you don't like the show, and it certainly has some flaws. I don't see how what you keep harping on is in any way a part of that though. Danny doesn't interact well with modern society is expected. For all we know that was a consistent problem for him, but he doesn't go around threatening anyone. He doesn't directly threaten random people off the street ever. He is shown repeatedly to be extremely compliant with rules plus or minus a temper problem when he is repeatedly denied his identity which is pretty normal actually. Beat up the show for where it is weak. Not for the parts that actually make sense.
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One of the first exchanges that Joy and Oldmanface have regarding Randy Dan is that they don't want to draw any attention to him because they worry it will interfere with their burgeoning China deal. The assumption being that the whole ruse is intended to draw unfavourable publicity about the strength of the leadership. Presumably the most obvious reaction is going to the police and also one likely to trigger the trap card.
A contrivance perhaps, but with the exception of the conversation about Joy's driver the issue of physical safety is never one of their concerns - they are characterised as being confident of the security staff and viewing threats only through the lens of business.
Now, you might object "But that's not rational! Your personal safety will always be your primary concern" buuuut I dunno, if calling attention to what isn't yet a direct threat might cost a hundred million dollars, or more I'm not sure everyone would be that trigger happy.
Plus, joy leaves her key on top of her door frame
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Doesn't the key not work? I got the impression it was the old key from when he lived there but she has since changed the locks, hence why he goes on the window.
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I thought it started really slow, showed promise as it went on, then finished weakly. Okay over all. I don't regret having watched it and think some people are seriously exaggerating how bad it is. It certainly isn't worse than, say, Arrow.
Danny already knows it's not okay, he's not a simpleton or some "primitive people" trope. He knows there's consequences, and the consequences of regular people really don't threaten him. By that point they've pissed him off enough that he's just done with the "usual way".
No one's going to welcome the dead friend back and show him around? Fine, he'll do it himself.
Security wants to kill him on sight in his family's business? Fine, doing things the right way was just a formality at this point. He doesn't need to be escorted to the top floor, he already knows the way up.
They explain why Ward does what he does, and who is pulling his strings. And as for the police, he's got nothing but disdain for them throughout, and he tells Danny that his security will kill him if he shows up again. So, he's kind of leaning on more permanent extralegal methods.[/quote]
That delves into the why of what he does, it doesn't explain why he's been able to have very little consequences for those actions, and this not exactly endear him as a hero to root for. By following through with those actions and if he's pushed to further with his Iron Fist abilities - this warrants the full weight of the NYPD (who will be pressured into doing this via the Meachum's financial influence) making him a fugitive and someone people would be wary of and not give him the benefit of a doubt the needs it. And unlike DD who was on the run from the law as a vigilante and in a war with a powerful crime syndicate all he did was piss off a wealthy family
What makes this less thought out is that he's not hiding who he is, doesn't wear a mask and isn't blending into the background so he'll be easier to find and catch. In a world where SHIELD is a thing. If the police can't catch him, they will.
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That's a huge contrivance since the idea that Danny was part of some scheme makes no sense. Also, Danny just proved to them that their security couldn't protect them.
Also, it's not just a matter of whether or not it's rational. It's an issue of Danny having no consideration for what his actions could be doing to other people. It was just a nice coincidence that the Meachums weren't that threatened by Danny's actions. But can you honestly say that Danny's actions wouldn't cause people to fear for their personal safety? Just because the victim of a crime wasn't hugely upset by it doesn't magically make the criminal's actions OK.
I'm only three episodes in, so I'm not sure if this is the scene you're talking about, but if its the fight at the beginning of the first episode... (minor spoilers for about five minutes into the first episode)
As somebody who's supposed to have been isolated from civilization and the rules of real society from the ages of 10 to 25, who just wants to reconnect with his past, I don't have a hard time buying Danny taking the measures he does. Not that the Meachums (at first, anyways) are in the wrong for being skeptical that a Hobo Ninja is actually their long-lost-presumed-to-be-dead-friend, or anything. But I don't really see any of the main parties acting in a way that's unreasonable. Not at first, at least.
I haven't watched yet, but isn't this a world where SHIELD is no longer a thing?
I really need to catch up on my Marvel stuff. I never finished S2 of AoS and didn't even start S2 of DD.
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Low spoiler version is yeah it is back since the events of Avengers 2. They would not be concerned with a guy who has a few acts of vandalism, and minor harassment though. I doubt he would even pop up on their radar as a problem since he hasn't even hurt anyone a little bit throughout the whole experience, and is relatively compliant with security after the first 5 minutes of episode 1.
I do like it. I just felt really bad for Fitz and he didn't seem to be getting any better.......
Danny got lucky with the Rand cooperation holding back, that's why he got away with no legit consequences and
Except Danny didn't just magically teleport from K'un Lun to New York. In the second episode, they showed that he had a forged American passport and he said he got it from Morocco.
So that means he had to travel thousands of miles, go through multiple countries, through cities and towns, through airports, shipping ports, and bus and train stations, through immigration and customs to get to New York. Not to mention how he would have had to learn about basic rules and laws of society, so that he knows that he needs a passport. He had to deal with criminals, earn money or favors, to get that forged passport (unless he stole and forged it himself, which is unlikely).
And he still learned nothing about the outside world through all that travel? No one told him that acting like a crazy stalker isn't OK? He never got into any altercations because of his inappropriate and sometimes threatening behavior? No one told him that his story about the Iron Fist is crazy talk and he shouldn't tell people about it? It's not like the countries he would have had to travel through were mystical lawless lands devoid of modern civilization.
Edit: I find the best way to watch this is to think of a silly Bruce Lee movie with a really funny dub, because taking it Netflix serious isn't going to work and taking it CW DCverse serious is the best you got.
Though Danny keeps invoking Jackie Chan with "I wan't know trouble" so maybe there's influence there.
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Did enough damage? Like what? His fights are in no way related to that event. Not even a little bit. Nor is there even a hint at a connection that might exist for them to exploit.
Why would they have any of those conversations with him? How often have you stopped what you are doing to give an impromptu lecture to a homeless foreigner on the intricacies of human interaction? His behavior is entirely motivated by trying to prove who he is, and getting rejected. Having a family member out right deny who you are and any connection hurts like hell, and to Danny those two are family. As we see with the homeless guy he will act like a dick, but generally ignores anyone else. Money issue is explained later in the series, and no it would not have helped him acclimate to a foreign culture. Especially since he was still immersed in what we would consider completely foreign cultures giving him no better understanding of how to interact in USA.
Also, how is his story crazier than the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, or any of the other dozen or so super heroes running around in public currently? Hell, his makes more sense than some of them. An evil robot created from a magical gemstone and two scientists dicking around managed to float a city in the air and almost ended all life on Earth by smashing it into the ground but Norse god Thor and buddies intervened and helped save the day. If this is my reality then yeah, mystic temple in an alternate dimension actually makes a lot of sense.
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Why would he need a lecture on the intricacies of human interaction? Was he in a completely isolated vacuum his entire journey? Simple observation and interaction would tell him a lot of the basics of human interaction and culture. He wouldn't need any explanation for why his behaviors are wrong. He would have experienced the consequences of his behaviors in his travels. If he tried to board a boat or a plane without paying tickets, he would get accosted and kicked out. If he tried entering a place without proper ID or credentials, he would be turned away. If he acted like a creep or stalker, he would get attacked or insulted. If he had a simple friendly conversation with someone and told them about K'un Lun, the other person would treat him like a crazy person. He would have to be a complete moron to need people to explain to him that he shouldn't continue those behaviors.
So if a Nigerian prince asks you for money to help get their inheritance out of the country, you'd give them the money? Because people inheriting millions of dollars is a thing that happens in the world. It's the reality you live in, so someone inheriting millions of dollars and needing your help to get it makes a lot of sense.
Well, its not like going crazy stalker or fighting guards is his first instinct. I mean, maybe he should have earned some money and bought clothes and shoes and taken a shower, but he was walking into the building that he thought he owned (and rightfully does belong to him). Besides, we're told you can get in/out of K'un Lun every 15 years, so he's been in the actual world a year tops since he was ten. And in that time, we can surmise, he's been a nomad and a drifter, trying to make his way back to the New York. I don't think he associated much with above board civilization, let alone multi-billion dollar corporate types, in order to make that journey.
I think he has some grasp on how society works, anyway. If he didn't, he would have
Why would he do any of that? He walked into his father's company trying to reconnect with his family. His assumption being they would welcome him back. We have solid proof he did NOT try that bullshit in other areas. Episode 3 shows he clearly did do what he needed to do.
So, while wandering through countries that speak languages that he doesn't, with customs and norms that we here don't, and he was doing the bare minimum just to get back to society at what point do you think he would learn through example that maybe his surrogate family wouldn't be quick to embrace him? Never. Never is the answer to that. Mostly because he literally wouldn't understand much of what was said around him beyond people who speak Mandarin or English. While this is common, it is not universal.
As to the last part, well that is a completely garbage analogy. He didn't show up asking for money, or anything. I would certainly believe this person could be a Nigerian prince getting his inheritance. But beyond that there is no real points of comparison to draw here. The Meechums reaction is certainly understandable, but his base story is entirely believable. Everyone in the story even ultimately reacts as if this is a thing that could very certainly happen in this crazy world.
Edit: It is also worth noting that his last interaction with the real world was as a super 1%er. He is probably very used to just demanding and getting shit while in America. Being super entitled would be his default reaction, and oh ye gods is he an entitled douche.
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It really wasn't worth watching the show for this titbit though. The other stuff they expanded on was really dull and boring.
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The Gao being the Hand thing took me by surprise and they way they threw things from different cultures together was a bit weird. Maybe I need to rewatch it as I wasn't paying too much attention there due to boredom.
Maybe Gao is the money?
The ending was quite weak. Ending spoilers
We can probably say Harold is really dead after falling that far but the way they play the cremation scene made me wonder. David Wenham did a good job with what he was given but Harold should stay dead. Or come back for 5 minutes to take out Ward because I can't suffer any more of Wards acting.
Also Danny is surprised bad shit happens when he abandons his duty. No shit sherlock.
Next time they should put Danny in a costume so that when they use a double it's not super obvious. If they didn't use a double in some of those fights they were pretty badly shot. It looks like a double in a few places. Or teach Finn to fight.
Part of the problem is the fighting style at play I'll admit. It's hard to tell difficulty when the whole point of the choreography is to show minimalism and effortlessness on the part of Iron Fist.
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Joy's characterization is all fine and good right up to the last scene, then it makes no goddamn sense.
Also, fuck Kun Lun. Unless there's something about them in the comics that makes them out to be worthwhile noble types, the show does them no justice.
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Why would he do any of what? Do the things that are necessary to get back to New York? Have basic human interaction with people on his journey? Try to learn about the world that he hasn't known for 15 years? How is it illogical for him to do any of those very basic things?
As for the countries he wander through, yes they have many different customs, but there are also a lot of similarities. He wasn't wandering through some lawless lands devoid of modern civilization. China is not some backward ass country existing in the dark ages with a culture completely alien to the US. China is a modern country with a lot of western influences. You can easily learn that all the things Danny did was not acceptable by living just a few weeks in China.
I was responding to your claim that just because there are superheroes and aliens in the world, it would make sense for people to accept that someone is from a mystical city.
My point is that there are princes and millionaires in the real world. But it wouldn't make sense for you to accept that someone making those claims is telling the truth.
Even in a world with aliens and superheroes, it still makes way more sense for people to think Danny is a crazy person.
Learned it how? You keep asserting he should have learned it, but have yet to explain why he would have. The behavior you complain about is completely contained to his interactions with his old friends. It doesn't matter where he went through. This is not a topic that would have come up. Also, he most certainly wasn't going through the civilized part of anywhere. Immigrating into the USA illegally involves a rather lot of lawless activity.
I knew what you were responding to. Your analogy just wasn't relevant in the least. I was in line to get an autograph from Jane Goodall the other day. I got to chatting with the person next to me who casually mentioned how her husband works for the university and has been interviewed on CNN for some project or another. I took it at face value because this particular university is likely to have people interviewed on CNN for their projects. Plausible and no reason to doubt it so why would I? Much like everyone else comes around to after he can display some level of enhanced ability.
I feel like they did a pretty good job with that overall honestly. They build up good reasons for the Meachums not to want to believe it is Danny while also showing how both came around slowly.
This happened to two people. One of them started listening. The other didn't care, hated him, and did everything he could to convince the other person otherwise.
Even when that person breaks into your work place, beats up the security guards, illegally gains access to areas he's not allowed, and interrupts your job?
Oh, and he only kind of looks like your childhood friend, has no physical evidence or proof, has no knowledge of your current situation like the rather important fact that your father is dead, and doesn't actually provide any personal details in the first meeting. He only provides some personal details in a second meeting after he breaks into your house and a third meeting where he carjacks you. Yup, seems like it would be completely rational to treat the person's claims seriously rather than call the police on him.
Really, is it that hard to learn that trespassing is illegal? Is it that hard to understand what security guards are? Is it that hard to learn about personal space and privacy? Is it that hard to learn that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
As for him going through civilized places, you do know that illegal activities are committed inside cities, don't you? If someone wants to gets some forged documents, they'd have to go to criminals operating inside cities and towns, where they would be exposed to civilization. If Danny wanted to get on a ship traveling to the US, he'd have to go to a major port, inside a big city.
Except Danny didn't display any enhanced abilities. He displayed some martial arts. You don't need to be enhanced to know martial arts. If someone showed you $1,000, are you automatically going to believe that they're a millionaire?
There are far more people who have been interviewed on CNN in the real world than there are enhanced people in the MCU. Just about anyone can get interviewed on CNN. Not anyone can have super powers.
MWO: Adamski
Oh yeah that bugged me.
Yes, crime happens inside cities. Cities also have various subcultures with their own rules and values. Worrying about who owns what typically isn't high up on the list at all. Beyond that, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He just happened to actually own the building, and expected that his surrogate family would recognize him. Given that we have already gone over this I am not certain what point you are trying to make.
You are right. He would have to display his powers. Good thing he openly acknowledges and addresses that every single time it is a problem. I can't think of a single time he doesn't either display his powers, or explain whats going on.
Why would he expect his surrogate family to recognize him? This isn't even a cultural thing. The passage of time and how it can change things and people is something all people can understand. Is Danny so blind and devoid of perspective that he can't recognize how much he's changed over the 15 years and consider the possibility that the Meachums also changed during that time?
As for Danny being involved in crime, as we see later in the show, he clearly understands what crimes are. So it's not like he was naively tricked into committing crimes without understanding their context.
Yes, it would be perfectly reasonable for the psychologist to believe the dangerous stalker hobo who broke into a place of business, beat up the security guards, accosted the Meachums, later broke into Joy's home, and carjacked and threatened Ward. The risk of letting this dangerous possibly deranged person loose is just as low as believing that a person who may have lied about being interviewed by CNN.
Because that is literally his only hope of getting his life back? Surprise! Emotions aren't always super rational! Plus he is the same person. It is possible to recognize someone you only knew as a child. Yeah, he wasn't thinking things through in a super clear manner. That is normal! He is trying to reconnect to people from a life he was ripped from 15 years ago using literally the only means available to him. You are also stretching the "threatening Ward" bit to a pretty odd extreme considering how that exchange went down.
Also, why are we now talking about the reactions to his story? No one is questioning that. However, the character you reference actually did want to believe him.
Edit: Epsiode 3-4ish spoiler
I get you don't like the show, and it certainly has some flaws. I don't see how what you keep harping on is in any way a part of that though. Danny doesn't interact well with modern society is expected. For all we know that was a consistent problem for him, but he doesn't go around threatening anyone. He doesn't directly threaten random people off the street ever. He is shown repeatedly to be extremely compliant with rules plus or minus a temper problem when he is repeatedly denied his identity which is pretty normal actually. Beat up the show for where it is weak. Not for the parts that actually make sense.