If I do more than just gaming, but till a lot of gaming, should I consider switching to a Ryzen for my next build? The 1800x seemed to be just under the Kirby Lake i7s in gaming performance... but are they much better for everything else?
I'm out of the loop. I feel like it was ages since AMD released something that wasn't shit.
When is your next build going to happen? I wouldn't think about it too much if it's going to be awhile out. Things might change by then, particularly when it comes to Ryzen. Also, what do you do other than gaming specifically?
Aside from gaming, mostly... running as a media server, ripping blu-rays/dvds, (re-)encoding video files, and I plan on learning and doing some programing.
So, my motherboard failed. Got home, and computer was unresponsive. Looked at motherboard, and it was displaying code 55 (memory error). A few hours of reseating everything, and a call to the manufacturer, and I got told "well, you need to send it in." Cue another hour of disassembly and placing all the components back in their packaging, and getting the motherboard extracted.
(sigh)
It's still under warranty (otherwise I'd have a replacement ordered), but it was a long, frustrating evening.
That sucks, but I have to say, manufacturer's warranties are one of the best things about building your own PC.
It gave me a chance to do some fixes to bits on the computer, like get the AM4 cooler bracket set up (I've had it for a few weeks now, but haven't had a reason to set it up until now), and redo the wiring on my AIO by threading the fan cables behind the fan screws, making the cabling much neater. I also may look into EVGA's "upgrade in place" policy for my video card, since I'm going to be out of commission for two weeks.
So, some silver linings to this particular cloud.
So, the good news is that, if I want, I can upgrade my card from a 1070 to a 1080Ti for the difference.
The bad news:
* Said upgrade difference is about the same as what I paid for the card.
* EVGA doesn't do cross shipment, so I have to send them the card first. Which wouldn't be a problem (remember, computer is out of commission until I get the mobo back, hence why I'm looking into this), except...
* The card is backordered, so I could get the "send it back" request months from now. In which case, I'd probably have to get a cheap temporary card, pull the ancient one from my old machine, or another less than palatable solution.
So, I put my name on the list for the upgrade - hopefully I get the notification that they have the new card soon.
Aside from gaming, mostly... running as a media server, ripping blu-rays/dvds, (re-)encoding video files, and I plan on learning and doing some programing.
Then yes, you should consider Ryzen, as the 8/16 configuration makes things like encoding go faster.
Aside from gaming, mostly... running as a media server, ripping blu-rays/dvds, (re-)encoding video files, and I plan on learning and doing some programing.
Then yes, you should consider Ryzen, as the 8/16 configuration makes things like encoding go faster.
Well, sort of. The best encoders are hardware accelerated, and even the 8 core ryzen doesn't really hold a candle to the encoding power of a beefy gpu.
In any case, I would wait to worry about it until you're going to build the machine. It's possible that 4 months from now that the single core efficiency issues with Ryzen will be solved and there won't be much debate as to which one is better.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited May 2017
AMD is moving out micro code updates to Ryzen quickly, and drivers and OS support are getting there slowly but surely. It's still not going to hold a candle to Intel's single threaded performance, not without an actual hardware refresh of Ryzen, which I doubt is only four months away. Ryzen is a great part, but unless you are going to make sure of all those cores, giving up the single threaded performance is going to be a tough pill to swallow. If I were building a workstation today, I would go Ryzen no question...but a gaming machine? I'm still very much on the four core i7 boat for those.
Now if you're considering an i5 of basically any kind, you'd be crazy not to look at Ryzen 5, especially the 1600x.
AMD is moving out micro code updates to Ryzen quickly, and drivers and OS support are getting there slowly but surely. It's still not going to hold a candle to Intel's single threaded performance, not without an actual hardware refresh of Ryzen, which I doubt is only four months away. Ryzen is a great part, but unless you are going to make sure of all those cores, giving up the single threaded performance is going to be a tough pill to swallow. If I were building a workstation today, I would go Ryzen no question...but a gaming machine? I'm still very much on the four core i7 boat for those.
Now if you're considering an i5 of basically any kind, you'd be crazy not to look at Ryzen 5, especially the 1600x.
They've actually announced a 16/32 Ryzen configuration called Threadripper.
I'm simply glad that AMD apparently got at least some part of their shit together. Perhaps when I'm back in the market for a new system, it will still be a viable option.
Built the machine today. Aside from my back hurting, and too many cables to efficiently store, it went fine! Booted without a problem, installed win10 and all that.
I also connected the potentially problematic hard drive, ran cmd, navigated to the drive, ran chkdsk, no errors. Used the win10 thing to check again, nothing. And oh boy, playing video games with 60 fps (and beyond) sure is something I did not know I missed.
Now the only potential worry is the cpu temperature, I think I'd need to get a tool to monitor it. I think I applied the right amount of thermal paste and all that, but the 7700k runs hot sometimes I think, so it'd be good to keep an eye on, ideally with a range of temperature to look for.
I used some free tool (can't remember the name atm), but that thing has to be broken, it recorded a different clock every second...temperatures were okayish though, I think.
Of course, two days before my hardware came, my external hdd died, so moving the data from one machine to the next will be a chore. I thought about swapping in the drives, but that's a bother, because, what else, the gpu makes it impossible to get to the SATA ports unless I remove it. Ah, I'll find a way.
Yay computers!
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
AMD is moving out micro code updates to Ryzen quickly, and drivers and OS support are getting there slowly but surely. It's still not going to hold a candle to Intel's single threaded performance, not without an actual hardware refresh of Ryzen, which I doubt is only four months away. Ryzen is a great part, but unless you are going to make sure of all those cores, giving up the single threaded performance is going to be a tough pill to swallow. If I were building a workstation today, I would go Ryzen no question...but a gaming machine? I'm still very much on the four core i7 boat for those.
Now if you're considering an i5 of basically any kind, you'd be crazy not to look at Ryzen 5, especially the 1600x.
They've actually announced a 16/32 Ryzen configuration called Threadripper.
Right, but that's just back porting the work they are doing on Naple's (server Ryzen) to consumer chips. It's not a Ryzen architecture bump.
Built the machine today. Aside from my back hurting, and too many cables to efficiently store, it went fine! Booted without a problem, installed win10 and all that.
I also connected the potentially problematic hard drive, ran cmd, navigated to the drive, ran chkdsk, no errors. Used the win10 thing to check again, nothing. And oh boy, playing video games with 60 fps (and beyond) sure is something I did not know I missed.
Now the only potential worry is the cpu temperature, I think I'd need to get a tool to monitor it. I think I applied the right amount of thermal paste and all that, but the 7700k runs hot sometimes I think, so it'd be good to keep an eye on, ideally with a range of temperature to look for.
I used some free tool (can't remember the name atm), but that thing has to be broken, it recorded a different clock every second...temperatures were okayish though, I think.
Of course, two days before my hardware came, my external hdd died, so moving the data from one machine to the next will be a chore. I thought about swapping in the drives, but that's a bother, because, what else, the gpu makes it impossible to get to the SATA ports unless I remove it. Ah, I'll find a way.
Yay computers!
Congratulations!
Because you're using a 7700k, tried https://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ? Seems to be fine. I think I worried about CPU temps for the first month and now I'm chill with it. It's one of those insecurities at first, but when everything's running smooth as butter and there's no weird noises coming from your PC, you're going to forget about it.
Thanks! I'll give that a look.
Yeah, I'll definitely calm down about that soon, I think. Need to get another (slow) hard drive to move my media to anyway before I can call the build complete.
...and also finalize the cable management, which already looks good on the, uh, "work" side, but behind that panel...whew.
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BouwsTWanna come to a super soft birthday party?Registered Userregular
Thanks! I'll give that a look.
Yeah, I'll definitely calm down about that soon, I think. Need to get another (slow) hard drive to move my media to anyway before I can call the build complete.
...and also finalize the cable management, which already looks good on the, uh, "work" side, but behind that panel...whew.
Much like any H/A thread involving cats, this thread expects pictures of your build. Proof of blood for the build-gods an asset.
Between you and me, Peggy, I smoked this Juul and it did UNTHINKABLE things to my mind and body...
Went ahead and threw together a bunch of builds at different price points for adding to OP. If it goes in there, might want to clarify that comparison shopping is a good idea and sales can make certain parts better or worse, but these should be a decent starting point for nearly any price point:
Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
So I noticing that one of my cores is spiking in temperature. It will wildly swing +- 10C.
Which is annoying, because it's limiting my OC potential. I can try reseating the block, but I don't think that's the problem. Maybe I lost the silicone lottery this time around.
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Well that would've saved me an hour. But I also don't like their taste in many different parts. My taste is definitely better.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Time to start looking at making a recording studio PC.
I won't be building it yet, as I need... well, everything else first. I was messing around making some beats in FL Studio (God damn it feels like forever, but I spent hours on it and loved it), and yeah, it's on.
Probably looking to make an i7 mini atx with 32 gigs RAM, since I'm not going to be needing any kind of powerful GPU.
Time to start looking at making a recording studio PC.
I won't be building it yet, as I need... well, everything else first. I was messing around making some beats in FL Studio (God damn it feels like forever, but I spent hours on it and loved it), and yeah, it's on.
Probably looking to make an i7 mini atx with 32 gigs RAM, since I'm not going to be needing any kind of powerful GPU.
@Lucid_Seraph any chance you can use your phone to snap a pic of the hardware warning message (assuming it shows back up)?
I ended up calling MS Support and they fixed it. Turned out the Registry had started being a butt because a Windows Update had gotten interrupted. So, NOT a hardware error, just Microsoft being Microsoft.
However, I'm still thinking that it's time to begin the process of at least PLANNING a new PC. I bought this one in 2010, and while desktops have a long shelf life, 7 years is getting to the point of "at least start THINKING about it now."
I think your biggest benefit here is going to be a good CPU, so I've tried my hand at a Ryzen build. Unfortunately, I'm about $100 high. If the new Ryzen 5 series CPU's offer good performance for cheaper, we could likely do better on price. Also, if you don't need a hard drive, we're ALMOST at $800 with the OS.
Time to start looking at making a recording studio PC.
I won't be building it yet, as I need... well, everything else first. I was messing around making some beats in FL Studio (God damn it feels like forever, but I spent hours on it and loved it), and yeah, it's on.
Probably looking to make an i7 mini atx with 32 gigs RAM, since I'm not going to be needing any kind of powerful GPU.
If I do more than just gaming, but till a lot of gaming, should I consider switching to a Ryzen for my next build? The 1800x seemed to be just under the Kirby Lake i7s in gaming performance... but are they much better for everything else?
I'm out of the loop. I feel like it was ages since AMD released something that wasn't shit.
Revisit things when you're ready to buy - AMD keeps making incremental improvements to Ryzen.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
If I do more than just gaming, but till a lot of gaming, should I consider switching to a Ryzen for my next build? The 1800x seemed to be just under the Kirby Lake i7s in gaming performance... but are they much better for everything else?
I'm out of the loop. I feel like it was ages since AMD released something that wasn't shit.
Revisit things when you're ready to buy - AMD keeps making incremental improvements to Ryzen.
Wait, they're pushing out constant updates to the CPU?
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kaliyamaLeft to find less-moderated foraRegistered Userregular
If I do more than just gaming, but till a lot of gaming, should I consider switching to a Ryzen for my next build? The 1800x seemed to be just under the Kirby Lake i7s in gaming performance... but are they much better for everything else?
I'm out of the loop. I feel like it was ages since AMD released something that wasn't shit.
Revisit things when you're ready to buy - AMD keeps making incremental improvements to Ryzen.
Wait, they're pushing out constant updates to the CPU?
yep, updating chipset drivers + getting games to properly support 'em.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
If I do more than just gaming, but till a lot of gaming, should I consider switching to a Ryzen for my next build? The 1800x seemed to be just under the Kirby Lake i7s in gaming performance... but are they much better for everything else?
I'm out of the loop. I feel like it was ages since AMD released something that wasn't shit.
Revisit things when you're ready to buy - AMD keeps making incremental improvements to Ryzen.
Wait, they're pushing out constant updates to the CPU?
yep, updating chipset drivers + getting games to properly support 'em.
The CPU.
Maybe I'm just an old, but that kinda makes me uncomfortable.
If they can overwrite data on BIOS chips, why not CPUs?
I'd rather not.
BIOS updates are terrifying as hell to begin with. Doing a microcode update is like brain surgery, and get a 0 where there should be a 1 and it's RMA time.
To be doing that a lot to try and fix issues is... it's not reassuring.
Nah, it's fine. Windows gets microcode updates to both intel and amd processors through windows update all the time. They're applied at boot time. No bricking is possible because the updates have to be reapplied every time the machine power cycles.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Does AMD make you log in to an account to download and install new drivers?
That might be enough right there to make me switch. Seriously, fuck off nVidia.
Are powered external hard drives faster than unpowered ones ?
I'm thinking of getting a USB 3 external hard drive for my Xbox One, and I'm not sure if drives with their own power supply are any faster than ones powered via the USB.
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I'm out of the loop. I feel like it was ages since AMD released something that wasn't shit.
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So, I put my name on the list for the upgrade - hopefully I get the notification that they have the new card soon.
Then yes, you should consider Ryzen, as the 8/16 configuration makes things like encoding go faster.
Well, sort of. The best encoders are hardware accelerated, and even the 8 core ryzen doesn't really hold a candle to the encoding power of a beefy gpu.
In any case, I would wait to worry about it until you're going to build the machine. It's possible that 4 months from now that the single core efficiency issues with Ryzen will be solved and there won't be much debate as to which one is better.
Now if you're considering an i5 of basically any kind, you'd be crazy not to look at Ryzen 5, especially the 1600x.
They've actually announced a 16/32 Ryzen configuration called Threadripper.
I also connected the potentially problematic hard drive, ran cmd, navigated to the drive, ran chkdsk, no errors. Used the win10 thing to check again, nothing. And oh boy, playing video games with 60 fps (and beyond) sure is something I did not know I missed.
Now the only potential worry is the cpu temperature, I think I'd need to get a tool to monitor it. I think I applied the right amount of thermal paste and all that, but the 7700k runs hot sometimes I think, so it'd be good to keep an eye on, ideally with a range of temperature to look for.
I used some free tool (can't remember the name atm), but that thing has to be broken, it recorded a different clock every second...temperatures were okayish though, I think.
Of course, two days before my hardware came, my external hdd died, so moving the data from one machine to the next will be a chore. I thought about swapping in the drives, but that's a bother, because, what else, the gpu makes it impossible to get to the SATA ports unless I remove it. Ah, I'll find a way.
Yay computers!
Right, but that's just back porting the work they are doing on Naple's (server Ryzen) to consumer chips. It's not a Ryzen architecture bump.
Congratulations!
Because you're using a 7700k, tried https://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ? Seems to be fine. I think I worried about CPU temps for the first month and now I'm chill with it. It's one of those insecurities at first, but when everything's running smooth as butter and there's no weird noises coming from your PC, you're going to forget about it.
Yeah, I'll definitely calm down about that soon, I think. Need to get another (slow) hard drive to move my media to anyway before I can call the build complete.
...and also finalize the cable management, which already looks good on the, uh, "work" side, but behind that panel...whew.
Much like any H/A thread involving cats, this thread expects pictures of your build. Proof of blood for the build-gods an asset.
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Which is annoying, because it's limiting my OC potential. I can try reseating the block, but I don't think that's the problem. Maybe I lost the silicone lottery this time around.
Well that would've saved me an hour. But I also don't like their taste in many different parts. My taste is definitely better.
I won't be building it yet, as I need... well, everything else first. I was messing around making some beats in FL Studio (God damn it feels like forever, but I spent hours on it and loved it), and yeah, it's on.
Probably looking to make an i7 mini atx with 32 gigs RAM, since I'm not going to be needing any kind of powerful GPU.
Get a big ass ssd.
I ended up calling MS Support and they fixed it. Turned out the Registry had started being a butt because a Windows Update had gotten interrupted. So, NOT a hardware error, just Microsoft being Microsoft.
However, I'm still thinking that it's time to begin the process of at least PLANNING a new PC. I bought this one in 2010, and while desktops have a long shelf life, 7 years is getting to the point of "at least start THINKING about it now."
Hm. What's the advantages / disadvantages of AMD vs NVidia though? Price mostly?
I mean I'd LIKE a solid state drive, but my current hard drive is still functional. also, I bet I could drop the price if I shopped around a bit.
https://podcast.tidalwavegames.com/
Mechanical drives have their place, but unless you're seriously strapped for cash a SSD should be included in your build.
Yeah, that's the plan.
I'd like to get a large SSD (1TB) for currently-working-ons and something like this for swapping mechanicals on work I've finished.
Probably this case.
Revisit things when you're ready to buy - AMD keeps making incremental improvements to Ryzen.
Wait, they're pushing out constant updates to the CPU?
yep, updating chipset drivers + getting games to properly support 'em.
The CPU.
Maybe I'm just an old, but that kinda makes me uncomfortable.
I'd rather not.
BIOS updates are terrifying as hell to begin with. Doing a microcode update is like brain surgery, and get a 0 where there should be a 1 and it's RMA time.
To be doing that a lot to try and fix issues is... it's not reassuring.
That might be enough right there to make me switch. Seriously, fuck off nVidia.
For now.
I'm going to guess we'll see speeds similar to the 10XX cards, since Vega 2.0 is looking to compete with Volta.
I'm thinking of getting a USB 3 external hard drive for my Xbox One, and I'm not sure if drives with their own power supply are any faster than ones powered via the USB.