In general, Skylake-X seems about what we expected: better absolute performance than Ryzen/Threadripper at a much higher price. However... if you read through the "Performance per Dollar" page, the Intel chips trade blows with their AMD counterparts, depending on the task. I'm actually surprised at how close they are, given how expensive the Intel chips are.
So I believe my motherboard is starting to crap out on me and wanted to see if I could seek advice on some upgrade options!
I play games when times permit and don't need anything top of the line. I am wondering what kind of good budget upgrades may be worthwhile to consider. My idea of budget would be, $500.
So I believe my motherboard is starting to crap out on me and wanted to see if I could seek advice on some upgrade options!
I play games when times permit and don't need anything top of the line. I am wondering what kind of good budget upgrades may be worthwhile to consider. My idea of budget would be, $500.
So I believe my motherboard is starting to crap out on me and wanted to see if I could seek advice on some upgrade options!
I play games when times permit and don't need anything top of the line. I am wondering what kind of good budget upgrades may be worthwhile to consider. My idea of budget would be, $500.
So I believe my motherboard is starting to crap out on me and wanted to see if I could seek advice on some upgrade options!
I play games when times permit and don't need anything top of the line. I am wondering what kind of good budget upgrades may be worthwhile to consider. My idea of budget would be, $500.
Buy this stuff here if you want to spend ~$500 and don't care about getting a beefier GPU just yet. The CPU is a massive upgrade, and the new motherboard should fit at least another few year's worth of new CPUs if you choose to upgrade again in the next few years (but you won't need to). You'll need the new RAM and you need it to be fast to best use that CPU. And like he said, using an SSD is going to make your computer feel much snappier provided you set it as your boot drive.
All this is going to make everyday performance feel world's better. If you find yourself having to turn game graphics down farther than you'd like, start saving for a new GPU because right now the market's not great for midrange cards. You should be looking at a GTX 1060 or an AMD RX 570/580, but they're way overpriced right now.
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HeatwaveCome, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered Userregular
Woo. Sould have my new PC up and running this weekend, sans custom water cooling which I'll do later this year.
Not sure if I should just grab the EKWB block for TR, wait till the Phanteks one gets released, or wait even longer for the rumored Zenith Extreme Monoblock by EKWB that they've hinted is coming... sometime. Just using a Thermaltake 360 AIO in the meantime.
My storage is going to be ridiculous with room to expand. Switched to more SSDs for now and the future. This way I don't have drill holes in my case to add in a pump/reservoir with extra HDDs. =/
PCIe:
512GB m.2 Samsung Evo Pro
(2 empty m.2 slots.)
SATA:
2TB Crucial MX300 x2
(2 old 128GB SSDs for now)
(2 empty SATA slots for future SSDs)
Controller Card:
10TB Seagate BarraCuda Pro 7200 x2
8TB WD Red 5400 (256 Cache Version) x6
HeatwaveCome, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered Userregular
When you have that pc up and running with all your media files transferred over, are you going to marathon everything for the rest of the year. Or would that still not be enough time to cover everything? :P
I came across an article about extreme overclocking on the i9-7980EX using liquid nitrogen and apparently it's possible to get all cores up to 6.1GHz and have stability when cooling with LN2 on a replenishing loop, but the CPU is pulling over 1000w all by itself and registers temps above 0°C in spite of ~-100°C LN2 making direct contact with the die lid.
Not that anyone is going to overclock like that for any practical purpose, but those numbers are absolutely crazy.
the CPU is pulling over 1000w all by itself and registers temps above 0°C in spite of ~-100°C LN2 making direct contact with the die lid.
Something something shitty TIM.
Way to go, Intel. Enthusiasts are going to walk away from you (in the short term) because you won't spend additional $2 per chip.
Hopefully. Money's way louder than words, and if AMD plays this right they could scoop up a big chunk of Intel marketshare - good for consumers all around.
I sat down at my desktop last night for the first time in roughly 6 days. When I pressed the power button, the fans spun up for about 1 second and then everything shut off.
After some poking around inside the box, I determined that "something" happened with my 1080. Everything booted up fine after I disconnected the power leads to the 1080.
I swapped my 780 back in and trudged along while I performed some high level diagnostics.
I have a PCP&C ~750W PSU and all the voltage measurements I could find from diagnostic programs showed that every single voltage was rock solid. So this begs a few questions:
1) the 1080 has something wrong, so it will be sent to EVGA for a warranty repair/RMA. If offered the option, do I take this opportunity to upgrade to a 1080 Ti?
2) Was this caused by the PSU, or a faulty vidcard component? Given the age of the PSU and the event that occurred, I'm sure most of you would tell me to replace the PSU. However, this has a high build quality and all the voltages look normal. In fact, I'm pretty sure the Corsair bought out PCP&C when they moved into the PSU business.
3) How many different components should I be swapping to keep this from happening again?
My computer isn't attached to a UPS, but it is plugged into a surge protector. The protector appears to still be good. My monitors are connected to the same surge protector and they still work just fine.
At what point are their new chips just not going to run at their stock advertised speeds because of thermal throttling?
Considering the problems designers run into due to thermal density of modern CPUs its kind of amazing they run at all. While the desire for low power parts is often solely seen as being driven by mobile problems with heat have been a significant factor in it too.
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BouwsTWanna come to a super soft birthday party?Registered Userregular
At what point are their new chips just not going to run at their stock advertised speeds because of thermal throttling?
Considering the problems designers run into due to thermal density of modern CPUs its kind of amazing they run at all. While the desire for low power parts is often solely seen as being driven by mobile problems with heat have been a significant factor in it too.
Except this thermal problem is a known quantity that people can repair by voiding their warranty. LD50 is pointing out that sooner or later, Intel's shitty TIM is going to be their biggest hurdle.
Between you and me, Peggy, I smoked this Juul and it did UNTHINKABLE things to my mind and body...
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It would allow me to throw audio from other devices onto my speakers. For example if a friend came over and had music on their phone they wanted to play, they could just sync to my speakers and start playing.
I agree that not soldering SKL-X was really stupid, but regardless, the thing is a overclocking monster if you delid it. I predict Der8auer is going to get rich selling delidding kits, and that demand for 1000+W PSUs is going to go way up.
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HeatwaveCome, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered Userregular
Picked up a retail copy of windows 10 home for when I eventually replace my motherboard.
Went in the store to price match with a another store I didn't want to travel to and got an extra 5% off.
Ended up saving about $43AUD.
I still think I should get my own copy of Microsoft Office 2013 though, but that can wait as I'd rather save a bit of money at the moment.
I bought Windows 8 ages ago and before the rebuild just called MS and requested reactivation on Win 10 when I re-installed 8. everything was super smooth. if you own 8 or 8.1 you shouldn't need to buy 10.
"I know you've been online.... There are lots of people that don't have that voice, that makes them ask themselves if what they make is shit or not." [img][/img]
I agree that not soldering SKL-X was really stupid, but regardless, the thing is a overclocking monster if you delid it. I predict Der8auer is going to get rich selling delidding kits, and that demand for 1000+W PSUs is going to go way up.
Stupid work blocking any link with "gamer" in it....
I'm not fully surprised this is where we are again. IIRC, 1000+W PSUs were prevalent up until Haswell; when Intel shifted to power-saving designs which brought the power need way down. Nvidia and -- to a lesser extent -- AMD (video) followed suit, which led to the popularity of sub-600W PSUs the last few years.
It makes you wonder how things would be different if Intel *did* solder the lid on Skylake-X.
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HeatwaveCome, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered Userregular
I bought Windows 8 ages ago and before the rebuild just called MS and requested reactivation on Win 10 when I re-installed 8. everything was super smooth. if you own 8 or 8.1 you shouldn't need to buy 10.
My copy of Windows 7 was an OEM so I figured it'd somehow cause an issue with them.
It doesn't really matter anymore though since I've already bought win 10, but it is good to know that the issue of transferring the license isn't as hard as I thought.
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I mean, don't actually do all those things, but any one of them will still help.
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It's so much better and easier to maintain and nicer looking
Yes you should be doing that with carpet too, carpet just hides it a lot better. But that's why you're always sick.
In general, Skylake-X seems about what we expected: better absolute performance than Ryzen/Threadripper at a much higher price. However... if you read through the "Performance per Dollar" page, the Intel chips trade blows with their AMD counterparts, depending on the task. I'm actually surprised at how close they are, given how expensive the Intel chips are.
So I believe my motherboard is starting to crap out on me and wanted to see if I could seek advice on some upgrade options!
I play games when times permit and don't need anything top of the line. I am wondering what kind of good budget upgrades may be worthwhile to consider. My idea of budget would be, $500.
Specs:
HDD: Seagate ST3500418AS ATA Device 500 GB
GPU: AMD Radeon TM R9 200 Series
CPU: AMD FX-8320 8 core processor
MOBO: ASRock 970 Xtreme 3 R2.0
RAM: 12 GB
PSU: Corsair CX500M
If you folks have advice, I'd be grateful to hear it!
Thanks in advance!
If you want to stay with AMD, a Ryzen 5/B350 combo is very doable in that range, though you will need DDR4 RAM.
An SSD will give you the biggest increase in performance.
As for the other stuff, you're going to have to spend more than $500 to get a performance boost that's worth the cost.
Good graphics cards are very expensive right now. Only lower mid tier and higher tier graphics cards are reasonably priced.
If you want to upgrade the CPU, you'll have to upgrade the motherboard and RAM too, and that's going to be at least $500 total there.
He said he doesn't play top of the line games, so a new GPU might be unneeded.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pgpLm8
Buy this stuff here if you want to spend ~$500 and don't care about getting a beefier GPU just yet. The CPU is a massive upgrade, and the new motherboard should fit at least another few year's worth of new CPUs if you choose to upgrade again in the next few years (but you won't need to). You'll need the new RAM and you need it to be fast to best use that CPU. And like he said, using an SSD is going to make your computer feel much snappier provided you set it as your boot drive.
All this is going to make everyday performance feel world's better. If you find yourself having to turn game graphics down farther than you'd like, start saving for a new GPU because right now the market's not great for midrange cards. You should be looking at a GTX 1060 or an AMD RX 570/580, but they're way overpriced right now.
RGB PCI-E!
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z370-AORUS-Gaming-7-rev-10#kf
Can't wait to see what Gigabyte do come Zen 2
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
Scrap it, back to R&D.
No, it's RBG! It's whatever color you want it to be.
you have my full spport.
But the spport doesn't have a you.
Hotter than the 7700k
[Insert joke about hot coffee]
https://videocardz.com/72986/intel-core-i7-8700k-and-i5-8600k-review-leaked
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
Not sure if I should just grab the EKWB block for TR, wait till the Phanteks one gets released, or wait even longer for the rumored Zenith Extreme Monoblock by EKWB that they've hinted is coming... sometime. Just using a Thermaltake 360 AIO in the meantime.
My storage is going to be ridiculous with room to expand. Switched to more SSDs for now and the future. This way I don't have drill holes in my case to add in a pump/reservoir with extra HDDs. =/
512GB m.2 Samsung Evo Pro
(2 empty m.2 slots.)
SATA:
2TB Crucial MX300 x2
(2 old 128GB SSDs for now)
(2 empty SATA slots for future SSDs)
Controller Card:
10TB Seagate BarraCuda Pro 7200 x2
8TB WD Red 5400 (256 Cache Version) x6
// Switch: SW-5306-0651-6424 //
Seriously though I'm so jelly
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
Not that anyone is going to overclock like that for any practical purpose, but those numbers are absolutely crazy.
Something something shitty TIM.
Way to go, Intel. Enthusiasts are going to walk away from you (in the short term) because you won't spend additional $2 per chip.
Hopefully. Money's way louder than words, and if AMD plays this right they could scoop up a big chunk of Intel marketshare - good for consumers all around.
I assume they already delidded it.
I sat down at my desktop last night for the first time in roughly 6 days. When I pressed the power button, the fans spun up for about 1 second and then everything shut off.
After some poking around inside the box, I determined that "something" happened with my 1080. Everything booted up fine after I disconnected the power leads to the 1080.
I swapped my 780 back in and trudged along while I performed some high level diagnostics.
I have a PCP&C ~750W PSU and all the voltage measurements I could find from diagnostic programs showed that every single voltage was rock solid. So this begs a few questions:
1) the 1080 has something wrong, so it will be sent to EVGA for a warranty repair/RMA. If offered the option, do I take this opportunity to upgrade to a 1080 Ti?
2) Was this caused by the PSU, or a faulty vidcard component? Given the age of the PSU and the event that occurred, I'm sure most of you would tell me to replace the PSU. However, this has a high build quality and all the voltages look normal. In fact, I'm pretty sure the Corsair bought out PCP&C when they moved into the PSU business.
3) How many different components should I be swapping to keep this from happening again?
My computer isn't attached to a UPS, but it is plugged into a surge protector. The protector appears to still be good. My monitors are connected to the same surge protector and they still work just fine.
Do that and call it good. Then replace the PSU if it more problems arise, unless you want to be sure then do it now.
Considering the problems designers run into due to thermal density of modern CPUs its kind of amazing they run at all. While the desire for low power parts is often solely seen as being driven by mobile problems with heat have been a significant factor in it too.
Except this thermal problem is a known quantity that people can repair by voiding their warranty. LD50 is pointing out that sooner or later, Intel's shitty TIM is going to be their biggest hurdle.
It would allow me to throw audio from other devices onto my speakers. For example if a friend came over and had music on their phone they wanted to play, they could just sync to my speakers and start playing.
I don't know anything about those speakers, though. It looks pretty cool.
Not entirely sure of that: Intel i9-7980XE & 7960X Review: Delidded Thermals, Power, & Performance.
I agree that not soldering SKL-X was really stupid, but regardless, the thing is a overclocking monster if you delid it. I predict Der8auer is going to get rich selling delidding kits, and that demand for 1000+W PSUs is going to go way up.
Went in the store to price match with a another store I didn't want to travel to and got an extra 5% off.
Ended up saving about $43AUD.
I still think I should get my own copy of Microsoft Office 2013 though, but that can wait as I'd rather save a bit of money at the moment.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
Stupid work blocking any link with "gamer" in it....
I'm not fully surprised this is where we are again. IIRC, 1000+W PSUs were prevalent up until Haswell; when Intel shifted to power-saving designs which brought the power need way down. Nvidia and -- to a lesser extent -- AMD (video) followed suit, which led to the popularity of sub-600W PSUs the last few years.
It makes you wonder how things would be different if Intel *did* solder the lid on Skylake-X.
It doesn't really matter anymore though since I've already bought win 10, but it is good to know that the issue of transferring the license isn't as hard as I thought.
Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
Thankfully I have an assload of free HDD space to temp transfer files without needing USB sticks. Going to make the switch to W10 at the same time.
Anything I should be alert for or is the process with W10 about as fun as any other OS install?