It's faster, now, but you still may need to let the computer run overnight so that it can add everything it needs. IIRC, you'll still need to grab updates and I'm not sure if the major ones like the Creator's Update have been incorporated yet (I'm assuming it is, but shrug.jpg)
It's faster, now, but you still may need to let the computer run overnight so that it can add everything it needs. IIRC, you'll still need to grab updates and I'm not sure if the major ones like the Creator's Update have been incorporated yet (I'm assuming it is, but shrug.jpg)
If you've grabbed the lastest ISO it'll absolutely have the Creators update in it. They make that change literally the day the update comes out. There will be a few updates after the fact though. One good thing about windows 10 is the updates are cumulative, so no more having to install a billion updates. It'll be 1 big cumulative update, and then a few more smaller ones for other components.
Thanks to the little kerfuffle with CCleaner, I'm moving up my planned reformat to this weekend. So I've got that going for me, which is nice.
Thankfully I have an assload of free HDD space to temp transfer files without needing USB sticks. Going to make the switch to W10 at the same time.
Anything I should be alert for or is the process with W10 about as fun as any other OS install?
Assuming you are installing on a SSD, you should be in pretty good shape. I just had to reinstall W10 on a platter drive when the HDD on my work computer died and it took half the day to install W10. Then the better part of my next workday to install all of the updates including the Creator update.
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Nothing major but remember to remove the usb stick after after windows 10 finishes installing, otherwise you'll keep being brought back to the install screen.
My first time doing this a couple years ago was so frustrating that I had to call MS tech support. Felt so dumb afterwards :P
I agree that not soldering SKL-X was really stupid, but regardless, the thing is a overclocking monster if you delid it. I predict Der8auer is going to get rich selling delidding kits, and that demand for 1000+W PSUs is going to go way up.
The amount of people who CAN delid is tiny, and of those the amount of people who even want to do it anymore is smaller still.
I could delid it (in that I have the technical expertise), but I'm not in a situation where I'm ok with potentially throwing a $1000 cpu in the garbage.
Oh, does deliding (is that the right word) void your warranty?
Yes, but overlocking your CPU at all voids your warranty, too.
And I think that while delidding will never be something a lot of people do, it's going to get a lot more popular. The De8auer delidding tool is pretty inexpensive relative to the overall price of an HEDT ($50 or less, including some fancy liquid metal thermal compound).
Anyway, my original point is that Intel isn't going to suffer much for SKL-X's crappy TIM. If you're not going overclock, then the lack of soldering doesn't really matter to you assuming you're using a decent CPU cooler.
If you are the sort of enthusiast who's serious about overclocking, though, you probably aren't going to go AMD instead because Threadripper just doesn't OC very well compared to SKL-X. Delidding may well be a pain, but it's not super-expensive or difficult, and it enables really good overclocking results.
Oh, does deliding (is that the right word) void your warranty?
Yes, but overlocking your CPU at all voids your warranty, too.
And I think that while delidding will never be something a lot of people do, it's going to get a lot more popular. The De8auer delidding tool is pretty inexpensive relative to the overall price of an HEDT ($50 or less, including some fancy liquid metal thermal compound).
Anyway, my original point is that Intel isn't going to suffer much for SKL-X's crappy TIM. If you're not going overclock, then the lack of soldering doesn't really matter to you assuming you're using a decent CPU cooler.
If you are the sort of enthusiast who's serious about overclocking, though, you probably aren't going to go AMD instead because Threadripper just doesn't OC very well compared to SKL-X. Delidding may well be a pain, but it's not super-expensive or difficult, and it enables really good overclocking results.
That is a very disingenuous thing to say.
Overclocking only voids your warranty if it results in damage to the chip (seriously overvolting the chip, for instance). Merely overclocking the cpu does nothing to the warranty (especially seeing as intel has no way of knowing if the chip were overclocked or not). Overclocking also isn't going to cause any damage assuming it's done reasonably, especially considering the thermal control built into processors nowadays.
Delidding the cpu voids the warranty for sure 100% of the time, and comes with a high chance of damaging the cpu and making it inoperable.
Intel's wording only seems like it does because they explicitly don't warranty the chip's running outside of it's advertised parameters. IE, if you have a chip that is advertised to run at 4.0 ghz, and you lose the silicon lottery and you can't get it to run stably at 4.1 ghz, that is not warrantied and you can't return it.
Oh, does deliding (is that the right word) void your warranty?
Yes, but overlocking your CPU at all voids your warranty, too.
And I think that while delidding will never be something a lot of people do, it's going to get a lot more popular. The De8auer delidding tool is pretty inexpensive relative to the overall price of an HEDT ($50 or less, including some fancy liquid metal thermal compound).
Anyway, my original point is that Intel isn't going to suffer much for SKL-X's crappy TIM. If you're not going overclock, then the lack of soldering doesn't really matter to you assuming you're using a decent CPU cooler.
If you are the sort of enthusiast who's serious about overclocking, though, you probably aren't going to go AMD instead because Threadripper just doesn't OC very well compared to SKL-X. Delidding may well be a pain, but it's not super-expensive or difficult, and it enables really good overclocking results.
That is a very disingenuous thing to say.
Overclocking only voids your warranty if it results in damage to the chip (seriously overvolting the chip, for instance). Merely overclocking the cpu does nothing to the warranty (especially seeing as intel has no way of knowing if the chip were overclocked or not). Overclocking also isn't going to cause any damage assuming it's done reasonably, especially considering the thermal control built into processors nowadays.
Delidding the cpu voids the warranty for sure 100% of the time, and comes with a high chance of damaging the cpu and making it inoperable.
Intel's warranty is void if your Intel CPU fails while operating outside its listed specs. In fact they'll sell you a protection plan to provide a (one-time) replacement CPU if you fry yours while overclocking it. So sure, overclocking your CPU doesn't, in fact, void the warranty as long as it continues to work, but if your CPU continues to work, you have no need to avail yourself of the warranty. And I'm assuming that since they sell a protection plan, they have some way of identifying CPUs damaged by OCing. If they weren't willing and able to deny warranty coverage in such cases, then the protection plan would have no value.
That being said, the issue of warranty coverage is kind of off in the weeds, and I shouldn't have brought it up.
Anyway, I stand by my original, somewhat banal observations: non-overclockers who have a decent CPU cooler aren't going to avoid Intel because SKL-X isn't soldered, and committed overclockers will risk delidding because the performance gains from overclocking SKL-X are really substantial.
As far as delidding being super-dangerous, maybe? De8auer seems to think it's a safe and reproducible process and Silicon Lottery makes a business out of it. I've watched videos of it being done with DeBauer's delidding gadget, and it seems only sightly more frightening than installing your CPU into the MB socket, applying thermal paste, and clamping on the cooler.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
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If you use a delidding tool, delidding is very repeatable and very safe. The idea that delidding is dangerous came from the years of people doing it with heat guns, vices and razors. That IS dangerous because you are very likely to cut the circuitry or nick the die.
I still wouldn't do it to a 1000 dollar CPU, thank you very much. I'm willing to take some risk, delidding an 8700K for instance, maybe even a 7280...but a 7980? No thanks.
Anyway, I stand by my original, somewhat banal observations: non-overclockers who have a decent CPU cooler aren't going to avoid Intel because SKL-X isn't soldered, and committed overclockers will risk delidding because the performance gains from overclocking SKL-X are really substantial.
As far as delidding being super-dangerous, maybe? De8auer seems to think it's a safe and reproducible process and Silicon Lottery makes a business out of it. I've watched videos of it being done with DeBauer's delidding gadget, and it seems only sightly more frightening than installing your CPU into the MB socket, applying thermal paste, and clamping on the cooler.
I mean, that first statement isn't true.
I haven't overclocked in 10 years (and probably won't ever again) and I refuse to get Intel's little toaster ovens because of the same reason I won't get an AMD video card: Heat is a system killer and the less heat the better, always.
I have a distinct feeling I'm not alone in this regard.
Unless Intel fixes their TIM problems I won't be purchasing their chips again. I will say the same thing for those chips that I say for Radeons: They are actively bad for your system and purchasing them will reduce the life of your computer, unless you're willing to fork out the high amount of dollars necessary to offset that heat. That usually comes attached to a reduced quality-of-life (extra heat in your house, extra noise, etc). Nobody should purchase them because the Ryzen chips are simply a better deal all over.
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If you use a delidding tool, delidding is very repeatable and very safe. The idea that delidding is dangerous came from the years of people doing it with heat guns, vices and razors. That IS dangerous because you are very likely to cut the circuitry or nick the die.
I still wouldn't do it to a 1000 dollar CPU, thank you very much. I'm willing to take some risk, delidding an 8700K for instance, maybe even a 7280...but a 7980? No thanks.
I could just purchase a similarly-functioning CPU that doesn't have the heat problems and not even bother with delidding.
If you use a delidding tool, delidding is very repeatable and very safe. The idea that delidding is dangerous came from the years of people doing it with heat guns, vices and razors. That IS dangerous because you are very likely to cut the circuitry or nick the die.
I still wouldn't do it to a 1000 dollar CPU, thank you very much. I'm willing to take some risk, delidding an 8700K for instance, maybe even a 7280...but a 7980? No thanks.
I could just purchase a similarly-functioning CPU that doesn't have the heat problems and not even bother with delidding.
And there are reasons for someone else to make a different choice. Nobody has to buy Intel and/or de-lid. Thankfully we're at a point where AMD is putting out a genuine competitor and we have such options. But even without the AMD choice, Intel chips would likely still suffer from heat issues.
Guys, I said this earlier in the thread. This is no different than when people were buying hot Pentium 4's about 8-10(!) years ago. Back then, people were using light application of heat and some dental floss to delid; and I want to say that there was zero TIM between the die and the heat spreader back then but I could be remembering wrong.
Back then, the enthusiast world was fairly evenly split between Athlons and Pentiums.
None of this is new. This debate will constantly recycle itself, and quite frankly it means that there is "reasonable" competition in the market.
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Update on "WTF Happened to Mugsley's 1080?!??!?!" I received a RMA number last night after having to write an email to EVGA support twice (because the first one evaporated when I accidentally closed a browser tab). I'm planning to send the card back tomorrow and start wringing my hands in anticipation.
In the meantime, I discovered that my PSU was from my build back in 2008 [shit, I'm old] and it's still trucking along nicely, TYVM. In the meantime, my 780 is still cruising.
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So while the W10 install is complete, there is still the matter of drivers and programs and porngames porn games to install. But, I have to say that it will take some getting used to. I knew I wasn't going to be much of a fan of the tablet/touch screen emphasis.
So while the W10 install is complete, there is still the matter of drivers and programs and porngames porn games to install. But, I have to say that it will take some getting used to. I knew I wasn't going to be much of a fan of the tablet/touch screen emphasis.
Are you sure you didn't install Windows 8 by mistake?
Not unless MS intentionally put 'Windows 10' on the system info screen. And they would never mislead people would they?
More that I'm overstating things. The Start menu has a bunch of that shit and half of the pre-install options seemed to be about it. I just habe to get used to things and make changes where needed.
Mostly, yes. Instead of going to the tiles screen it will load to the desktop. The start button is still the new metro stuff but even that can be "mostly" customized to show apps/common things similar to the old win7 setup.
Cool. I think for now I'll just go with the flow and get used to things. I'll ask when I need to, but I usually end up sticking with the core defaults but making a fee tweaks for my personal uses. I try not to fight the OS too much.
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If you've grabbed the lastest ISO it'll absolutely have the Creators update in it. They make that change literally the day the update comes out. There will be a few updates after the fact though. One good thing about windows 10 is the updates are cumulative, so no more having to install a billion updates. It'll be 1 big cumulative update, and then a few more smaller ones for other components.
Assuming you are installing on a SSD, you should be in pretty good shape. I just had to reinstall W10 on a platter drive when the HDD on my work computer died and it took half the day to install W10. Then the better part of my next workday to install all of the updates including the Creator update.
SteamID: edgruberman GOG Galaxy: EdGruberman
Keep in mind my internet speed is a blazing fast 2.2mbit/s. And for reasons I want to get it basically running by Saturday.
EDIT:
Running overnight to install updates is not any kind of problem. Just the self-imposed time limit to get there.
My first time doing this a couple years ago was so frustrating that I had to call MS tech support. Felt so dumb afterwards :P
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The amount of people who CAN delid is tiny, and of those the amount of people who even want to do it anymore is smaller still.
Yes, but overlocking your CPU at all voids your warranty, too.
And I think that while delidding will never be something a lot of people do, it's going to get a lot more popular. The De8auer delidding tool is pretty inexpensive relative to the overall price of an HEDT ($50 or less, including some fancy liquid metal thermal compound).
Anyway, my original point is that Intel isn't going to suffer much for SKL-X's crappy TIM. If you're not going overclock, then the lack of soldering doesn't really matter to you assuming you're using a decent CPU cooler.
If you are the sort of enthusiast who's serious about overclocking, though, you probably aren't going to go AMD instead because Threadripper just doesn't OC very well compared to SKL-X. Delidding may well be a pain, but it's not super-expensive or difficult, and it enables really good overclocking results.
That is a very disingenuous thing to say.
Overclocking only voids your warranty if it results in damage to the chip (seriously overvolting the chip, for instance). Merely overclocking the cpu does nothing to the warranty (especially seeing as intel has no way of knowing if the chip were overclocked or not). Overclocking also isn't going to cause any damage assuming it's done reasonably, especially considering the thermal control built into processors nowadays.
Delidding the cpu voids the warranty for sure 100% of the time, and comes with a high chance of damaging the cpu and making it inoperable.
Intel's warranty is void if your Intel CPU fails while operating outside its listed specs. In fact they'll sell you a protection plan to provide a (one-time) replacement CPU if you fry yours while overclocking it. So sure, overclocking your CPU doesn't, in fact, void the warranty as long as it continues to work, but if your CPU continues to work, you have no need to avail yourself of the warranty. And I'm assuming that since they sell a protection plan, they have some way of identifying CPUs damaged by OCing. If they weren't willing and able to deny warranty coverage in such cases, then the protection plan would have no value.
That being said, the issue of warranty coverage is kind of off in the weeds, and I shouldn't have brought it up.
Anyway, I stand by my original, somewhat banal observations: non-overclockers who have a decent CPU cooler aren't going to avoid Intel because SKL-X isn't soldered, and committed overclockers will risk delidding because the performance gains from overclocking SKL-X are really substantial.
As far as delidding being super-dangerous, maybe? De8auer seems to think it's a safe and reproducible process and Silicon Lottery makes a business out of it. I've watched videos of it being done with DeBauer's delidding gadget, and it seems only sightly more frightening than installing your CPU into the MB socket, applying thermal paste, and clamping on the cooler.
I still wouldn't do it to a 1000 dollar CPU, thank you very much. I'm willing to take some risk, delidding an 8700K for instance, maybe even a 7280...but a 7980? No thanks.
I mean, that first statement isn't true.
I haven't overclocked in 10 years (and probably won't ever again) and I refuse to get Intel's little toaster ovens because of the same reason I won't get an AMD video card: Heat is a system killer and the less heat the better, always.
I have a distinct feeling I'm not alone in this regard.
Unless Intel fixes their TIM problems I won't be purchasing their chips again. I will say the same thing for those chips that I say for Radeons: They are actively bad for your system and purchasing them will reduce the life of your computer, unless you're willing to fork out the high amount of dollars necessary to offset that heat. That usually comes attached to a reduced quality-of-life (extra heat in your house, extra noise, etc). Nobody should purchase them because the Ryzen chips are simply a better deal all over.
I could just purchase a similarly-functioning CPU that doesn't have the heat problems and not even bother with delidding.
And there are reasons for someone else to make a different choice. Nobody has to buy Intel and/or de-lid. Thankfully we're at a point where AMD is putting out a genuine competitor and we have such options. But even without the AMD choice, Intel chips would likely still suffer from heat issues.
Back then, the enthusiast world was fairly evenly split between Athlons and Pentiums.
None of this is new. This debate will constantly recycle itself, and quite frankly it means that there is "reasonable" competition in the market.
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Update on "WTF Happened to Mugsley's 1080?!??!?!" I received a RMA number last night after having to write an email to EVGA support twice (because the first one evaporated when I accidentally closed a browser tab). I'm planning to send the card back tomorrow and start wringing my hands in anticipation.
In the meantime, I discovered that my PSU was from my build back in 2008 [shit, I'm old] and it's still trucking along nicely, TYVM. In the meantime, my 780 is still cruising.
Good times.
So, graphing calculators?
(I'm not joking on Cyrix chips, just referencing they're a part of Texas Instruments now)
I'd awesome that, but it be for like the total opposite of awesome...
Are you sure you didn't install Windows 8 by mistake?
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
More that I'm overstating things. The Start menu has a bunch of that shit and half of the pre-install options seemed to be about it. I just habe to get used to things and make changes where needed.
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Mostly, yes. Instead of going to the tiles screen it will load to the desktop. The start button is still the new metro stuff but even that can be "mostly" customized to show apps/common things similar to the old win7 setup.
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You can turn off the live tiles and also unpin most of the junk you don't want. A lot of the stuff you can even uninstall.
I only have Calendar, Photos, and Phone companion, might even get rid of the last one.
If you're worried about privacy you can also disable several options.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3025709/microsoft-windows/windows-10-quick-tips-how-to-protect-your-privacy.html
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