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A Thread About [Pointless Arguments]

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
Yes, there are arguments that seem pointless to some people who aren't involved. This is not the thread for those.

No, this is the thread for the sort of argument that you are completely, totally invested in while knowing deep down that you are arguing over something incredibly trivial, inane, or both. Like:

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And let's not forget:
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In short, the sort of argument where you find yourself irrationally drawn to belaboring a trivial point, while screaming at yourself within your head about why you're continuing the debate.

So, here's the question - what's the most trivial, pointless argument you've ever been in? And let's leave politics and religion out of this, because how pointless or not those arguments are is very much a matter of opinion.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Who the fuck cares if I like pineapple on my pizza. Shit tastes good, and I'm not offering you a piece anyway.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Freddy is the superior horror movie monster compared to Jason.

    It's not even close

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Freddy is the superior horror movie monster compared to Jason.

    It's not even close

    Yeah cause he's funny and gives victims a glimmer of hope.

    No contest.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • Irredeemably IndecisiveIrredeemably Indecisive WisconsinRegistered User regular
    The inner fight I'm having with myself right now about what example to give because there are so many options, but each one I come up with another part of me goes "But, that meant something! The Oxford Comma is important!"

  • GarthorGarthor Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    When I was a wee lad I sabotaged a friendship when the kid insisted on buying the Hylian shield in Ocarina of Time.

    You could get that shit for free man!

    Garthor on
  • WearingGlassesWearingGlasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    The inner fight I'm having with myself right now about what example to give because there are so many options, but each one I come up with another part of me goes "But, that meant something! The Oxford Comma is important!"

    Well, it is. At least I think it serves a purpose.

  • Irredeemably IndecisiveIrredeemably Indecisive WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    The inner fight I'm having with myself right now about what example to give because there are so many options, but each one I come up with another part of me goes "But, that meant something! The Oxford Comma is important!"

    Well, it is. At least I think it serves a purpose.

    Yes, but have you tried having that argument with someone that probably doesn't even know the purpose of the comma?

    It's rather pointless, in case you were wondering.

  • MolotovCockatooMolotovCockatoo Registered User regular
    I think the peak example of this phenomenon is either the Monty Hall problem argument or the "can an airplane take off from a conveyor belt" argument. In fact I half expect that merely mentioning either of these will cause the thread to devolve into a swift lock...

    Killjoy wrote: »
    No jeez Orik why do you assume the worst about people?

    Because he moderates an internet forum

    http://lexiconmegatherium.tumblr.com/
  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    I have never even heard the airplane conveyor belt argument.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    dudes.

    dudes.

    Cake is superior to pie.

    And cheesecake is a cake; its in the name!

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    The absolute stupidest argument ever is the 0.99...=1 argument.

    I will fight to the death anyone who says otherwise.

    I submitted an entry to Lego Ideas, and if 10,000 people support me, it'll be turned into an actual Lego set!If you'd like to see and support my submission, follow this link.
  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Dogs can't look up

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Cheesecake is neither cake nor pie. It is a tart or flan. Pies are covered pastries.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Dogs can't look up

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    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Waffles v Pancakes.

    Don't know how this one is even an argument.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The absolute stupidest argument ever is the 0.99...=1 argument.

    I will fight to the death anyone who says otherwise.

    I like this one, but good ol' Monty Hall is amazing and I love it

  • MilskiMilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The absolute stupidest argument ever is the 0.99...=1 argument.

    I will fight to the death anyone who says otherwise.

    I like this one, but good ol' Monty Hall is amazing and I love it

    Monty hall becomes a lot easier conceptually if you start off by doing a 100-door variation, since at that point more people will either not have an intuitive answer or think the intuitive answer is "of course switching helps."

    I ate an engineer
  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    The problem with the Monty hall argument is that it's not often made explicit that the person opening the doors knows which one the car is behind and knowingly opens an empty door. Once that is said most people usually pick up on it.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The problem with the Monty hall argument is that it's not often made explicit that the person opening the doors knows which one the car is behind and knowingly opens an empty door. Once that is said most people usually pick up on it.

    Yeah, people sometimes do that. I've definitely seen it. However, I don't think saying that gets most people to pick it up. Or maybe most people, but not certain people who are convinced otherwise, and can't accept that the answer isn't either 1/3 or 1/2.

    (I'm pretty sure I've seen bitter arguments between 1/3rd and 1/2 convinced people and just had to laugh)

  • WearingGlassesWearingGlasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Damn, we had the airplane conveyor belt blowup back in college. Lines were drawn, sides were taken, voices were raised. That seemed hilarious now, but back then... *shudder*

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    What is even the argument? Unless the conveyor belt can exert enough force to counteract the engines via friction on the wheels the plane can achieve necessary velocity. (Alternately the landing gear melts)

    Goumindong on
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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The problem with the Monty hall argument is that it's not often made explicit that the person opening the doors knows which one the car is behind and knowingly opens an empty door. Once that is said most people usually pick up on it.

    Yeah, people sometimes do that. I've definitely seen it. However, I don't think saying that gets most people to pick it up. Or maybe most people, but not certain people who are convinced otherwise, and can't accept that the answer isn't either 1/3 or 1/2.

    (I'm pretty sure I've seen bitter arguments between 1/3rd and 1/2 convinced people and just had to laugh)

    When I was like 14, my dad was literally seething with rage at me and wouldn't even talk to me for about 48 hours when I bought up the monty hall problem over dinner as something I learned that day and found interesting, and he didn't believe me at first and got embarrassed and macho when I mathematically showed him the proof. I've encountered similar dispreportional resistance in the 0.999~=1 thing.

    Mathematical insecurity seems to be a weirdly common thing.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    https://youtu.be/eECjjLNAOd4

    Most of the pointless arguments I've been in were arguments about whether or not we were having an argument. And then there was the infinity or undefined argument of 1/x that defriended two of the forum math nerds

    Paladin on
    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/eECjjLNAOd4

    Most of the pointless arguments I've been in were arguments about whether or not we were having an argument. And then there was the infinity or undefined argument of 1/x that defriended two of the forum math nerds

    5 minutes into this. This is good. This is real good.

  • WearingGlassesWearingGlasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    What is even the argument? Unless the conveyor belt can exert enough force to counteract the engines via friction on the wheels the plane can achieve necessary velocity. (Alternately the landing gear melts)

    Some people thought that the conveyor belt's capabilities cancels out the movement of the plane because it moves at the same speed as the airplane's wheels.

    I remember trying to give an analogy with a man with a shotgun, roller skates, and standing on a floor covered with oil. That one didn't work.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Well to be fair if it's actually traveling backwards at the same rate the wheels are spinning then the airspeed of the plane is zero(or whatever wind speed is)

    It just can't maintain that. If it could it could exert enough force to prevent the plane from flying. It would have to be moving many times faster than the required airspeed of the plane in order to do so.

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  • Irredeemably IndecisiveIrredeemably Indecisive WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Well to be fair if it's actually traveling backwards at the same rate the wheels are spinning then the airspeed of the plane is zero(or whatever wind speed is)

    It just can't maintain that. If it could it could exert enough force to prevent the plane from flying. It would have to be moving many times faster than the required airspeed of the plane in order to do so.

    An airplane pushes against the air, not the ground, to achieve forward movement. Unless this conveyor belt could also grab hold of the wheels, it ain't going to do shit to slow the plane down.

    Wait a minute... Damn you @MolotovCockatoo

    Irredeemably Indecisive on
  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Well to be fair if it's actually traveling backwards at the same rate the wheels are spinning then the airspeed of the plane is zero(or whatever wind speed is)

    It just can't maintain that. If it could it could exert enough force to prevent the plane from flying. It would have to be moving many times faster than the required airspeed of the plane in order to do so.

    And airplane pushes against the air, not the ground, to achieve forward movement. Unless this conveyor belt could also grab hold of the wheels, it ain't going to do shit to slow the plane down.

    Wait a minute... Damn you @MolotovCockatoo

    If the wheels were locked it might work? (or on skids). But, well. Wheels.

  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    How you pronounce Gif, as evidenced by the last couple pages in the sysadmin thread.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    How you pronounce Gif, as evidenced by the last couple pages in the sysadmin thread.

    Via punching those that are wrong.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The problem with the Monty hall argument is that it's not often made explicit that the person opening the doors knows which one the car is behind and knowingly opens an empty door. Once that is said most people usually pick up on it.

    Yeah, people sometimes do that. I've definitely seen it. However, I don't think saying that gets most people to pick it up. Or maybe most people, but not certain people who are convinced otherwise, and can't accept that the answer isn't either 1/3 or 1/2.

    (I'm pretty sure I've seen bitter arguments between 1/3rd and 1/2 convinced people and just had to laugh)

    When I was like 14, my dad was literally seething with rage at me and wouldn't even talk to me for about 48 hours when I bought up the monty hall problem over dinner as something I learned that day and found interesting, and he didn't believe me at first and got embarrassed and macho when I mathematically showed him the proof. I've encountered similar dispreportional resistance in the 0.999~=1 thing.

    Mathematical insecurity seems to be a weirdly common thing.

    It's also gendered as well (remember, the original Monty Hall problem was posited by a woman, who got some really virulent responses from men looking to prove her wrong.)

    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum / Steam: noxaeternum
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I thought we weren't allowed to have another Democratic primary thread...

    But for real it's .9999etc = 1. I can prove it to 8th graders, adults shouldn't be too stupid to figure it out.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    fish can swim through snow though

  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Planes are propelled by their engines, not their wheels.
    Lift is a function of air being pushed over the wings

    It all depends on the kind of plane

    Apothe0sis on
  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Veevee wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Well to be fair if it's actually traveling backwards at the same rate the wheels are spinning then the airspeed of the plane is zero(or whatever wind speed is)

    It just can't maintain that. If it could it could exert enough force to prevent the plane from flying. It would have to be moving many times faster than the required airspeed of the plane in order to do so.

    An airplane pushes against the air, not the ground, to achieve forward movement. Unless this conveyor belt could also grab hold of the wheels, it ain't going to do shit to slow the plane down.

    Wait a minute... Damn you @MolotovCockatoo

    The wheels arent frictionless and so some of the force from the conveyor belt transfers to the airplane. You can see this effect by sliding a peice of paper from under a matchbox car. The car does not remain stationary; it follows the paper a bit.

    Such if the conveyor belt were actually traveling as fast as the wheels were spinning they must be producing enough force through friction to keep the planes airspeed at zero. Edit: sure you may argue "holy hell that is a lot of focre to be transfered through friction!" And you would be right. The wheel bearings would almost certainly melt before that happened, either on the 2,000,000 horsepower conveyor belt* or the airplane.

    You could further say that if the belt is traveling at the same speed as the wheels the planes ground speed must be zero, either enforced by friction, lack of thrust from the plane, or one hell of a headwind.

    if the question stipulates that the conveyor belt keeps pace with the wheels the only way the plane can take off is if the plane is flying into a headwind large enough to produce liftoff. If it stipulates no headwind then the plane may not take off. Either through lack of force produced by its engines, or the friction on its wheels producing drag equal to the force of the engines. If the question stipulates that the conveyor belt has a fixed velocity then the plane may take off.

    *badwrongdumb rough estimate required for one variant of 777

    Estimate assumes an absolutely laughable 1/10 transfer on the wheels and 4 engines on a 777 going full blast.

    Goumindong on
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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Who the fuck cares if I like pineapple on my pizza. Shit tastes good, and I'm not offering you a piece anyway.

    I purposely get pineapple and onion because it's the most delicious cold pizza the next day. We're just enlightened on the pizza meta.

  • Spaten OptimatorSpaten Optimator Smooth Operator Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Lots of traps in this thread. Not for me, though.

    Totally unrelated, but everyone here uses the pool of ketchup method of dipping fries? I mean, it would be silly to squirt ketchup haphazardly all over the fries, and then eat them that way. Completely ridiculous.

    Spaten Optimator on
  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Lots of traps in this thread. Not for me, though.

    Totally unrelated, but everyone here uses the pool of ketchup method of dipping fries? I mean, it would be silly to squirt ketchup haphazardly all over the fries, and then eat them that way. Completely ridiculous.

    Pool of ketchup, salt the ketchup instead of the fries. I will accept Tabasco on the fry-mass as variable quantities of spice distribution keep fries interesting.

    I'm always fascinated by the toilet paper roll argument. Do you hang it sheet out or sheet flush with the wall?

    dispatch.o on
  • Spaten OptimatorSpaten Optimator Smooth Operator Registered User regular
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    I'm always fascinated by the toilet paper roll argument. Do you hang it sheet out or sheet flush with the wall?

    Even asking this question is a grave insult to be remembered for untold generations. Unless you have a cat.

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