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[US and Russia] Trump's ties and wiretap lies - Trump is the leaker!

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    NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    PLA wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Is there a SINGLE Republican in DC with integrity anymore?

    Like, just one? One single representative of the party that controls all three branches?

    We're talking about, like, 400 people

    Just one?


    Bueller?

    There are a few. I don't like most of them anyway but there are, like, a couple reps that have occasionally been heard going "hey guys, hey guys, are we really doing this? really? okay, I guess we're doing this"

    Is that integrity?

    If anything, it's the opposite.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Is there a SINGLE Republican in DC with integrity anymore?

    Like, just one? One single representative of the party that controls all three branches?

    We're talking about, like, 400 people

    Just one?


    Bueller?

    There are a few. I don't like most of them anyway but there are, like, a couple reps that have occasionally been heard going "hey guys, hey guys, are we really doing this? really? okay, I guess we're doing this"

    Integrity is not doing it.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    PLA wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Is there a SINGLE Republican in DC with integrity anymore?

    Like, just one? One single representative of the party that controls all three branches?

    We're talking about, like, 400 people

    Just one?


    Bueller?

    There are a few. I don't like most of them anyway but there are, like, a couple reps that have occasionally been heard going "hey guys, hey guys, are we really doing this? really? okay, I guess we're doing this"

    Is that integrity?

    no, "hey this looks bad and I don't like it, but I guess GOP gotta stick together?" is not integrity

    that's actually pretty far from it

    being evil is one thing, knowingly throwing in with evil is another

    I mean. In the mathematical sense maybe

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    Sigh. AG, VP, Pres, and Spicer all openly lying about Flynn to the press is serious bullshit. Spicer I can sort of understand, his job is literally to be a mouthpiece, except for the part where he continues to show up for this job.

    I wonder if my congresscritters are sick of me calling them yet.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Let's not forget that the press secretary is not actually supposed to be a spin doctor for the White House--his primary role is to disseminate important information. It's vitally important that he not lie, that he retain credibility, so that when it's necessary for him to explain policy or internal thinking or "here's what our military just blew up and why" that we believe him.

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    SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    So this just happened:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-wiretapping_us_590726fde4b05c39768097c8?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Trump ended an interview early with a CBS guy after the guy asked him to elaborate on the wiretapping claim.

    Here's the bit from the article:
    Dickerson asked Trump if Obama had given him advice.


    “He was very nice to me, but after that, we’ve had some difficulties. So it doesn’t matter. You know, words are less important to me than deeds, and you saw what happened with surveillance,” Trump said in response.

    Dickerson pressed the president on whether he still stood by the wiretapping claim. Trump wouldn’t say, but claimed “our side has been proven very strongly.”

    “You can figure that out yourself,” he said. “I don’t stand by anything. You can take it the way you want. I think our side has been proven very strongly, and everybody has been talking about it.”

    Dickerson repeatedly asked Trump to elaborate, but to no avail.

    After several more refusals to answer, Trump dismissed Dickerson and ended the interview, angrily walking back to his desk.

    He can't let it go.

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    SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Selner wrote: »
    So this just happened:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-wiretapping_us_590726fde4b05c39768097c8?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Trump ended an interview early with a CBS guy after the guy asked him to elaborate on the wiretapping claim.

    Here's the bit from the article:
    Dickerson asked Trump if Obama had given him advice.


    “He was very nice to me, but after that, we’ve had some difficulties. So it doesn’t matter. You know, words are less important to me than deeds, and you saw what happened with surveillance,” Trump said in response.

    Dickerson pressed the president on whether he still stood by the wiretapping claim. Trump wouldn’t say, but claimed “our side has been proven very strongly.”

    “You can figure that out yourself,” he said. “I don’t stand by anything. You can take it the way you want. I think our side has been proven very strongly, and everybody has been talking about it.”

    Dickerson repeatedly asked Trump to elaborate, but to no avail.

    After several more refusals to answer, Trump dismissed Dickerson and ended the interview, angrily walking back to his desk.

    He can't let it go.

    And in a week it will be all but forgotten.

    The problem I see with this is that the press is pressuring Trump one at a time.

    It's like being attacked by a bee. A single bee typically isn't going to do much damage. They're easy to fend off, so long as they come at you one by one. The problem is when the entire swarm is after you. Individually it's not a problem, but the swarm working as a group is harder to deal with.

    I think that's what our press needs to do. A constant barrage of "answer the fucking question, asshole" is the only way anyone in this administration is going to be held to task for the crap they're pulling.

    When a reporter asks Spicer a question that he sidesteps and then no one else fucking follows up on it, it drives me nuts.

    It's going to be the same shit, day after day after day until Trump's term ends or our press corps actually gains a pair and starts to work together.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Missing from that exchange is that Trump ended it by saying basically "Well, I am entitled to my opinion and you can have yours" and then saying ok, we're done.

    So tune in this afternoon to the press briefing to see Spicer defend the Presidents right to accuse someone of a felony based on his opinion and that his "side" truly was proven, despite an utter lack of actual evidence.

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    SeñorAmor wrote: »
    Selner wrote: »
    So this just happened:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-wiretapping_us_590726fde4b05c39768097c8?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Trump ended an interview early with a CBS guy after the guy asked him to elaborate on the wiretapping claim.

    Here's the bit from the article:
    Dickerson asked Trump if Obama had given him advice.


    “He was very nice to me, but after that, we’ve had some difficulties. So it doesn’t matter. You know, words are less important to me than deeds, and you saw what happened with surveillance,” Trump said in response.

    Dickerson pressed the president on whether he still stood by the wiretapping claim. Trump wouldn’t say, but claimed “our side has been proven very strongly.”

    “You can figure that out yourself,” he said. “I don’t stand by anything. You can take it the way you want. I think our side has been proven very strongly, and everybody has been talking about it.”

    Dickerson repeatedly asked Trump to elaborate, but to no avail.

    After several more refusals to answer, Trump dismissed Dickerson and ended the interview, angrily walking back to his desk.

    He can't let it go.

    And in a week it will be all but forgotten.

    The problem I see with this is that the press is pressuring Trump one at a time.

    It's like being attacked by a bee. A single bee typically isn't going to do much damage. They're easy to fend off, so long as they come at you one by one. The problem is when the entire swarm is after you. Individually it's not a problem, but the swarm working as a group is harder to deal with.

    I think that's what our press needs to do. A constant barrage of "answer the fucking question, asshole" is the only way anyone in this administration is going to be held to task for the crap they're pulling.

    When a reporter asks Spicer a question that he sidesteps and then no one else fucking follows up on it, it drives me nuts.

    It's going to be the same shit, day after day after day until Trump's term ends or our press corps actually gains a pair and starts to work together.

    Send in the PA D&D forum, and we can show them how to properly dogpile on a goose.

    I'm looking through the schedules for the four different committees on the Russia probe, there a couple meetings on the schedule currently, just seems they are running so slow on this particular topic. I mean, I understand it is all under Republican control and they have a heavy incentive to drag their feet but I'll hold out hope they are doing a lot more behind closed doors than they are letting on, just so I can get on with my day.

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    Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    I, uh

    help me decipher this please:

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I, uh

    help me decipher this please:

    Seems pretty straight forward, he's portraying Trump's seeming about-face on Russia with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and how it was stomped into itty bitty pieces by Operation Barbarossa

    There is something of hyperbole about it

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular

    I thought we knew that already? Wasn't that why she was fired?

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    CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Yates was fired because she BETRAYED OUR COUNTRY by refusing to represent the government for its Muslim Travel Ban to the courts.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »

    I thought we knew that already? Wasn't that why she was fired?

    I thought she got fired for not being aboard the Muslim Ban train.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Which was certainly not an actual outright ban on Muslims never mind what Rudy Giuliani said on national TV, just a ban on people including visa holders and naturalized citizens from certain countries that happen to be strongly Muslim and don't have Trump hotels.

    Commander Zoom on
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular

    Donald J. Trump‏

    FBI Director Comey was the best thing that ever happened to Hillary Clinton in that he gave her a free pass for many bad deeds! The phony...

    ...Trump/Russia story was an excuse used by the Democrats as justification for losing the election. Perhaps Trump just ran a great campaign?
    Comey is scheduled to answer questions at a hearing tomorrow.

    This is going to cause some even more awkward questions to be asked because the President attacking his FBI Director and declaring any outcome to an investigation but one illegitimate is pretty weird.

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Its unsettling to me that everytime someone is about to testify in a case pertaining to the Trump Administration that he gets on Twitter to immediately discredit and insult them. It really feeds into the narrative that he's trying to hide something and that one of these testimonies might be a smoking gun sooner or later.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I'm sure he'll have quite a few things to say about Yates this weekend.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Waffen wrote: »
    Its unsettling to me that everytime someone is about to testify in a case pertaining to the Trump Administration that he gets on Twitter to immediately discredit and insult them. It really feeds into the narrative that he's trying to hide something and that one of these testimonies might be a smoking gun sooner or later.

    Makes you wonder why he was so worried about the real reason for the civil war the other day.

    Anyway, yeah, he's clearly trying to hide something. The sad thing is, it's probably nothing too damning, and I suspect whatever damage, if any, that it ends up doing to his administration, it would have been far less if he'd just shut up and left things alone.

    He can't help himself making it worse for himself.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

    That mjght be true if he didn't have a collossal ego. He could be covering up something thst just makes him look bad.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

    That mjght be true if he didn't have a collossal ego. He could be covering up something thst just makes him look bad.

    Yeah. My personal theory is more along the lines of 'unwitting pawn' than 'mastermind who is working with foreign government'.

    Which is still awful, but not necessarily impeachable, especially with a GOP House and Senate.

    But if they can find a way to get him testifying under oath for more than like, an hour, he'll almost certainly perjure himself.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

    Compared to a deposition, I think Trump may have a harder time biting his tongue in the more sensationalized setting of a congressional inquiry.

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    SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

    If that's what you're hoping for, I hope you're prepared for either a long wait or a lot of disappointment. However this thing shakes out, I highly doubt it's going to be direct collusion with Trump specifically

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

    Compared to a deposition, I think Trump may have a harder time biting his tongue in the more sensationalized setting of a congressional inquiry.

    Yeah, given a protracted period (what was it in the debates, like 20 minutes?) I don't think he is physically capable of sticking to a game plan. Especially if he's put under pressure, with a less than sympathetic crowd.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Viskod wrote: »
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

    I've got my money on relatively unwitting agent of influence for Russia, colluded with Russia on email leaks during campaign and colluded with rogue FBI elements to force Comey's letter and swing election, personally. There may be some spread between Trump and his campaign surrogates within that.

    The conspiracy bonus is if Russia was involved with forcing Comey's letter somehow.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

    Compared to a deposition, I think Trump may have a harder time biting his tongue in the more sensationalized setting of a congressional inquiry.

    Yeah, given a protracted period (what was it in the debates, like 20 minutes?) I don't think he is physically capable of sticking to a game plan. Especially if he's put under pressure, with a less than sympathetic crowd.

    This might not mean that he'll actually respond to any questions, though. A tantrum is likely.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I'm curious if comey is going to drop any bomb shell today. Is anyone going to be watching the proceedings?

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    PLA wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

    Compared to a deposition, I think Trump may have a harder time biting his tongue in the more sensationalized setting of a congressional inquiry.

    Yeah, given a protracted period (what was it in the debates, like 20 minutes?) I don't think he is physically capable of sticking to a game plan. Especially if he's put under pressure, with a less than sympathetic crowd.

    This might not mean that he'll actually respond to any questions, though. A tantrum is likely.

    A tantrum on the stand would work in our favor. In that case he can't help except answer those questions.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I'm curious if comey is going to drop any bomb shell today. Is anyone going to be watching the proceedings?

    I doubt it. It's just a regular check in. Not a hearing for anything particular.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    It will probably be more like his last open hearing where he can't comment on anything. The only news will be if he confirms the existence of investigations or something else vague like that.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular

    Viskod wrote: »
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

    That mjght be true if he didn't have a collossal ego. He could be covering up something thst just makes him look bad.

    As opposed to everything else that makes him look bad .

    No he is panic mode. Read about how he dealt with unions in rhe 80s.He's a thug and when he cant get an agreement he gets violent and threatens ( his recent libel law bs and executive order gaykiller) but its not working

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    It's still collusion if Trump didn't personally know about it and was literally being used like a complete idiot. It's still collusion if Trump knew but wasn't personally involved. It's still a very big deal either way.

    Could there be other ridiculous things that come out of this regarding his current White House and Administration? Sure, but the investigation is centered on finding known links between Russian agents and the Trump campaign.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Uh the only thing he has to hide is actual collusion with Russian operatives. That's kind of a big deal.

    That mjght be true if he didn't have a collossal ego. He could be covering up something thst just makes him look bad.

    Yeah, I feel like it's more of a "don't assume malice when stupidity will suffice" situation. Dude's got skin so thin his muscles sunburn and he's got nothing to do in the white house but watch TV. His tweet tantrums usually seem to coincide with the 24 hour news cycle biting into something bad about him, and I'd guess this time is no different.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    PLA wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

    Compared to a deposition, I think Trump may have a harder time biting his tongue in the more sensationalized setting of a congressional inquiry.

    Yeah, given a protracted period (what was it in the debates, like 20 minutes?) I don't think he is physically capable of sticking to a game plan. Especially if he's put under pressure, with a less than sympathetic crowd.

    This might not mean that he'll actually respond to any questions, though. A tantrum is likely.

    A tantrum on the stand would work in our favor. In that case he can't help except answer those questions.

    Only if he cares more about real world consequences than he cares about continuing a tantrum.

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    SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    PLA wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    I have a feeling Trump wouls become very forgetful if he was suddenly under oath.

    Compared to a deposition, I think Trump may have a harder time biting his tongue in the more sensationalized setting of a congressional inquiry.

    Yeah, given a protracted period (what was it in the debates, like 20 minutes?) I don't think he is physically capable of sticking to a game plan. Especially if he's put under pressure, with a less than sympathetic crowd.

    This might not mean that he'll actually respond to any questions, though. A tantrum is likely.

    A tantrum on the stand would work in our favor. In that case he can't help except answer those questions.

    I'm picturing a variation of Nicholson's "yes, I ordered the Code Red" rant from A Few Good Men. He even mentions a wall.

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