I mean, yeah you can draw a fucking truckload of random spells now?
2x Primordial Gift, 2x Shimmering Tempest, 2x Mana Bind, 2x Babbling Book, 2x Spellsinger, 2x Cab Tome, 2x Eth Conjurer.. That's 18 spells you didn't start the game with added to your hand. Plus Anton.
The problem with the druid quest is the reduction isn't applied to your hand. So too much of the time after you've finished the quest and your turn will be drawing a big dude, playing him, then hero powering and having 8 free mana.
I think the bigger problem is the lack of early removal.
To smooth out late game quest-only Druid, I'd be running 2x Nourish and 2x Fight Promoter (as well as 2x Wrath obviously), meaning a total of 12 draw potential in the deck.
For Jade Druid it'll be even funnier, because if you can get through your deck, the Auctioneer infinite combo then starts with a 0 mana Auctioneer, not 6.
at a certain point i'm just going to start calling deathrattle turtle Dead Brann and no one's going to understand it because there's a completely different card that says "your deathrattles trigger twice" but here we are
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
Anyfin/Everyfin are rotating.
In Murloc Shaman you'll probably be running water package, 2x Call in the Finishers, 2x Rockpool Hunter for the lightest package. If you really did want to draw anything but Bluegill/Warleader, you'd remove the Rockpools for a Primalfin Totem or two.
Edit: ahahahahaha. A Pirate Warrior lost on turn 6 to this pile. I'm going to have to figure out how to continue this deck in Un'goro.
Maybe something like this? Replacing warleaders is impossible, but there are some possible combos with adapt that can give finja blast potential.
warleaders are classic.
they, uh, never rotate.
EDIT: -2 coldlight +2 warleader
wow, why did i think they were blackrock? man just one of those assumptions you live with then, bam. It turns out they never did send a monkey to the moon...
Three dragon priests in a row. Opponents' decks are becoming too predictable so I'm going to make a deck entirely from unpopular cards. Socialite, Greaser Worgan, Grook Fu Master, etc.
Well, this went poorly. My Commanding Shouts and N'zoth Tentacles were no match against three(!) jade druids but I did beat one pirate warrior.
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GoodKingJayIIIThey wanna get mygold on the ceilingRegistered Userregular
like, y'all might thing decks like that are a pile
but if you don't die by turn five and play finja on turn 5 you're probably going to win the game, no matter what the rest of your deck is
finja is goddamn nanners
Finja do good, made paladin playable. Now that everyone else runs it, paladin back to unplayable.
Paladin plays with fire for a 4 mana wipe. They're fine.
No they aren't. Paladin is one of the worst classes in the game right now.
That might change in two days! But pallys have been fucked for a real long time.
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Metal JaredMulligan WizardRhode IslandRegistered Userregular
I know they are giving everyone a quest to win 10 standard games to get the new Rogue hero but I'm really hoping they also have some quests to get some Ungoro packs as well. I'll be pretty disappointed if they only offer 5 free packs for this expansion after such a long build up and expanding to 3 full expansions a year.
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
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GrobianWhat's on sale?Pliers!Registered Userregular
like, y'all might thing decks like that are a pile
but if you don't die by turn five and play finja on turn 5 you're probably going to win the game, no matter what the rest of your deck is
finja is goddamn nanners
Finja do good, made paladin playable. Now that everyone else runs it, paladin back to unplayable.
Paladin plays with fire for a 4 mana wipe. They're fine.
No they aren't. Paladin is one of the worst classes in the game right now.
That might change in two days! But pallys have been fucked for a real long time.
A double warleader board doesn't even die to equality + Pyro.
People who don't play paladin don't really understand how bad equality/pyro is.
Yes, in combination those two cards usually wipe the board for cheap.
But by themselves, they do nothing. Unlike priest, who has a plethora of good and cheap spells to combo with pyro, paladin has... equality. Likewise, equality does nothing without some other card--either pyromancer, consecrate, or at least a dude on the board. Silver hand recruits are so trivial that you're unlikely to ever have one on the board to combo with equality when you need it.
So what do these two cards do? They sit in your hand, waiting for the other piece to show up. And because paladin draw is terrible, that can be a really long time. Playing pyro on turn 2 feels horrible, and is horrible. So that's four cards in your deck of 30 that, by themselves, are next to useless.
And if you did manage to clear the board on turn 4 or 6, congratulations! You've merely delayed the inevitable, because chances are you've done almost nothing in the early turns to protect yourself and gain tempo, because paladin early game is trash. And then shaman refills the board, or warlock introduces another one of its giant threats, rogue goes off, and you're just playing from behind again.
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I'm gonna have to disagree there, Jay. Even as a wonky combo 4 mana wrath of god is insanely powerful and is worth the occasional draw wonkiness. Your deck just needs to be able to take advantage of it in some way, not just wait for your opponent to refill the board--and paladin might not be the best at that with its current tools, but it can still do it (be it anyfin or leeroy combos, or playing a big doppleganster with it on turn 9).
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GoodKingJayIIIThey wanna get mygold on the ceilingRegistered Userregular
If all you can do is clear the board on turn 6, you're already dead.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited April 2017
Equality is amazing in a slow midrange/control oriented meta.
It is much less useful in an aggro meta.
It's been an aggro meta pretty much continuously since LoE.
You could argue that it's always been an aggro meta, but pre-LoE control decks were much more common than they are now I would say (in my personal experience playing and watching the tournament scene).
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
edited April 2017
Like sure, it's an aggro meta, but it's also an aggro meta where aggro shaman can easily build a board that no class in the game can clear early on other than paladin. And forbidden healing puts in a ton of work in an aggro meta, because you force them to have usually an unreasonable amount of burn after you clear their board, or you go back to to basically full health.
Edit: the things killing paladin right now are lack of answers to tunnel trogg and flametongue, since truesilver is too slow and humility/aldor don't help much there. It's not anything about pyro equality not being good.
Like sure, it's an aggro meta, but it's also an aggro meta where aggro shaman can easily build a board that no class in the game can clear early on other than paladin. And forbidden healing puts in a ton of work in an aggro meta, because you force them to have usually an unreasonable amount of burn after you clear their board, or you go back to to basically full health.
Edit: the things killing paladin right now are lack of answers to tunnel trogg and flametongue, since truesilver is too slow and humility/aldor don't help much there. It's not anything about pyro equality not being good.
Paladin also lacks actual single target removal, especially now that Keeper is rotating.
If you're dying by turn 6 then your deck relying on a full board clear isn't the answer.
Your deck prob needs actual minions to stave off the aggro for those first turns until you can stabalize.
Keep in mind no other hero can do such a full board clear at 4 mana short of priest with circle + that heal/hurt lady (which isn't ran anymore because dragons are insanely better), or a lucky warlock that has a high attack minion survive for shadowflame (which doesn't happen).
It's actually legit one of the best late game clears.
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I know they are giving everyone a quest to win 10 standard games to get the new Rogue hero but I'm really hoping they also have some quests to get some Ungoro packs as well. I'll be pretty disappointed if they only offer 5 free packs for this expansion after such a long build up and expanding to 3 full expansions a year.
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
Jesus, he's been teasing people for YEARS on pushing that button.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
I know they are giving everyone a quest to win 10 standard games to get the new Rogue hero but I'm really hoping they also have some quests to get some Ungoro packs as well. I'll be pretty disappointed if they only offer 5 free packs for this expansion after such a long build up and expanding to 3 full expansions a year.
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
Jesus, he's been teasing people for YEARS on pushing that button.
His game client's going to CTD as soon as he clicks it, if he ever does.
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So excited for Thursday. 1600 dust for Sylvanas and Ragnaros, plus I have golden versions of Conceal, Ice Lance and Power Overwhelming. 5 free packs + enough gold for 30 add'l packs will make for a fun day!
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So excited for Thursday. 1600 dust for Sylvanas and Ragnaros, plus I have golden versions of Conceal, Ice Lance and Power Overwhelming. 5 free packs + enough gold for 30 add'l packs will make for a fun day!
Happy Feast of Wintervale!
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Metal JaredMulligan WizardRhode IslandRegistered Userregular
I know they are giving everyone a quest to win 10 standard games to get the new Rogue hero but I'm really hoping they also have some quests to get some Ungoro packs as well. I'll be pretty disappointed if they only offer 5 free packs for this expansion after such a long build up and expanding to 3 full expansions a year.
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
Jesus, he's been teasing people for YEARS on pushing that button.
His game client's going to CTD as soon as he clicks it, if he ever does.
Blizzard stated that at one point some time ago Kripp pushing the button would have brought the Hearthstone servers down. It's supposed to be fixed now
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
I know they are giving everyone a quest to win 10 standard games to get the new Rogue hero but I'm really hoping they also have some quests to get some Ungoro packs as well. I'll be pretty disappointed if they only offer 5 free packs for this expansion after such a long build up and expanding to 3 full expansions a year.
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
Jesus, he's been teasing people for YEARS on pushing that button.
His game client's going to CTD as soon as he clicks it, if he ever does.
Blizzard stated that at one point some time ago Kripp pushing the button would have brought the Hearthstone servers down. It's supposed to be fixed now
That's incredible!
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Metal JaredMulligan WizardRhode IslandRegistered Userregular
I know they are giving everyone a quest to win 10 standard games to get the new Rogue hero but I'm really hoping they also have some quests to get some Ungoro packs as well. I'll be pretty disappointed if they only offer 5 free packs for this expansion after such a long build up and expanding to 3 full expansions a year.
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
Jesus, he's been teasing people for YEARS on pushing that button.
His game client's going to CTD as soon as he clicks it, if he ever does.
Blizzard stated that at one point some time ago Kripp pushing the button would have brought the Hearthstone servers down. It's supposed to be fixed now
I kinda think I'm just gonna take the free dust after all. Golden rag/syl is cool (sylv is one of my favorite cards ever) but I just don't play wild enough.
I kinda think I'm just gonna take the free dust after all. Golden rag/syl is cool (sylv is one of my favorite cards ever) but I just don't play wild enough.
So excited for Thursday. 1600 dust for Sylvanas and Ragnaros, plus I have golden versions of Conceal, Ice Lance and Power Overwhelming. 5 free packs + enough gold for 30 add'l packs will make for a fun day!
Yeah, I can barely wait for Packsopening day either! I count 92 packs with gold, 5 free packs and ~4 leggos worth of dust!
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Maybe something like this? Replacing warleaders is impossible, but there are some possible combos with adapt that can give finja blast potential.
warleaders are classic.
they, uh, never rotate.
EDIT: -2 coldlight +2 warleader
but if you don't die by turn five and play finja on turn 5 you're probably going to win the game, no matter what the rest of your deck is
finja is goddamn nanners
To smooth out late game quest-only Druid, I'd be running 2x Nourish and 2x Fight Promoter (as well as 2x Wrath obviously), meaning a total of 12 draw potential in the deck.
For Jade Druid it'll be even funnier, because if you can get through your deck, the Auctioneer infinite combo then starts with a 0 mana Auctioneer, not 6.
if you're running anyfin can happen, he's probably worth, that's a lot of guaranteed value
if you're not probably no
In Murloc Shaman you'll probably be running water package, 2x Call in the Finishers, 2x Rockpool Hunter for the lightest package. If you really did want to draw anything but Bluegill/Warleader, you'd remove the Rockpools for a Primalfin Totem or two.
Corrupted Seer is another possible inclusion.
wow, why did i think they were blackrock? man just one of those assumptions you live with then, bam. It turns out they never did send a monkey to the moon...
Well, this went poorly. My Commanding Shouts and N'zoth Tentacles were no match against three(!) jade druids but I did beat one pirate warrior.
Finja so good, made paladin playable. Now that everyone else runs it, paladin back to unplayable.
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Paladin plays with fire for a 4 mana wipe. They're fine.
No they aren't. Paladin is one of the worst classes in the game right now.
That might change in two days! But pallys have been fucked for a real long time.
PSN: Threeve703
Also Kripp stated he's going to press the button sometime soon and craft every standard card gold (presumably so he can play with all golden Arena cards)
PSN: SoulCrusherJared
A double warleader board doesn't even die to equality + Pyro.
People who don't play paladin don't really understand how bad equality/pyro is.
Yes, in combination those two cards usually wipe the board for cheap.
But by themselves, they do nothing. Unlike priest, who has a plethora of good and cheap spells to combo with pyro, paladin has... equality. Likewise, equality does nothing without some other card--either pyromancer, consecrate, or at least a dude on the board. Silver hand recruits are so trivial that you're unlikely to ever have one on the board to combo with equality when you need it.
So what do these two cards do? They sit in your hand, waiting for the other piece to show up. And because paladin draw is terrible, that can be a really long time. Playing pyro on turn 2 feels horrible, and is horrible. So that's four cards in your deck of 30 that, by themselves, are next to useless.
And if you did manage to clear the board on turn 4 or 6, congratulations! You've merely delayed the inevitable, because chances are you've done almost nothing in the early turns to protect yourself and gain tempo, because paladin early game is trash. And then shaman refills the board, or warlock introduces another one of its giant threats, rogue goes off, and you're just playing from behind again.
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You have consecreate, as well as 1-1s and weapons.
Equality + pyro is only needed as a hail-mary move when you're THAT far behind.
There aren't any other massive board clears that also allow you to play a 6-cost minion on the same turn.
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Pyro is pretty useless w/o Equality though. Sometimes a 3-damage consecrate I guess...
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It is much less useful in an aggro meta.
It's been an aggro meta pretty much continuously since LoE.
You could argue that it's always been an aggro meta, but pre-LoE control decks were much more common than they are now I would say (in my personal experience playing and watching the tournament scene).
Edit: the things killing paladin right now are lack of answers to tunnel trogg and flametongue, since truesilver is too slow and humility/aldor don't help much there. It's not anything about pyro equality not being good.
Paladin also lacks actual single target removal, especially now that Keeper is rotating.
Your deck prob needs actual minions to stave off the aggro for those first turns until you can stabalize.
Keep in mind no other hero can do such a full board clear at 4 mana short of priest with circle + that heal/hurt lady (which isn't ran anymore because dragons are insanely better), or a lucky warlock that has a high attack minion survive for shadowflame (which doesn't happen).
It's actually legit one of the best late game clears.
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wra
Jesus, he's been teasing people for YEARS on pushing that button.
His game client's going to CTD as soon as he clicks it, if he ever does.
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Happy Feast of Wintervale!
Blizzard stated that at one point some time ago Kripp pushing the button would have brought the Hearthstone servers down. It's supposed to be fixed now
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That's incredible!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.945086-Kripp-Could-Have-Crashed-Hearthstone-Servers-by-DEing-His-Dupes
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I must have missed the part where Jade Druid was ever not back.
I guess I was mistaken. I know it's not Pirate Tier but I thought some new tech brought it back.
Do it. Do it! Let none survive!
Before the recent nerfs it was a lot less common I believe. Couldn't hold up against the other decks (aka Pirates).
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Yeah, I can barely wait for Packsopening day either! I count 92 packs with gold, 5 free packs and ~4 leggos worth of dust!
I'm guessing it's friday for us EU plebs though?