Oh, good. I liked Deke. They'll probably need his help to
find Fitz.
Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll see Enoch again too?
I hope so, he was rad too. Also RIP his replacement that lasted literally one episode.
I totally expected
that other guy to show up later in the season. I assumed his "human suit" just got blown off and his robot self escaped or something; I remember them showing his bloody "footprints" at the beginning of the following episode.
Oh, good. I liked Deke. They'll probably need his help to
find Fitz.
Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll see Enoch again too?
I hope so, he was rad too. Also RIP his replacement that lasted literally one episode.
I totally expected
that other guy to show up later in the season. I assumed his "human suit" just got blown off and his robot self escaped or something; I remember them showing his bloody "footprints" at the beginning of the following episode.
Those weren't his footprints, that was uh... whoever was there that was hurt and Fitz was checking.
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Rewatching the show I just realized season 3 has an internal plothole / error.
The monolith portal is a HYDRA thing. The old castle machine to open the portal was HYDRA, so they knew how to open the portal manually. And yet apparently they didn't know how to bring people back from the other side. Did they seriously not consider "open the portal manually again"?
Rewatching the show I just realized season 3 has an internal plothole / error.
The monolith portal is a HYDRA thing. The old castle machine to open the portal was HYDRA, so they knew how to open the portal manually. And yet apparently they didn't know how to bring people back from the other side. Did they seriously not consider "open the portal manually again"?
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Rewatching the show I just realized season 3 has an internal plothole / error.
The monolith portal is a HYDRA thing. The old castle machine to open the portal was HYDRA, so they knew how to open the portal manually. And yet apparently they didn't know how to bring people back from the other side. Did they seriously not consider "open the portal manually again"?
They tried. It didn't work.
The portal opens in a different relative place depending on the landscape around it each time. It has been awhile since I saw that bit, but I think that the difference in rotation/orbit of earth and the end point planet means that it is very difficult for the people on the other end to know where to be when it opens. They can't just go back to where they appeared first.
Rewatching the show I just realized season 3 has an internal plothole / error.
The monolith portal is a HYDRA thing. The old castle machine to open the portal was HYDRA, so they knew how to open the portal manually. And yet apparently they didn't know how to bring people back from the other side. Did they seriously not consider "open the portal manually again"?
The portal's location on the other side of the wormhole was random, remember? Jemma had to jury rig a machine to calculate it's location, using old computer equipment powered by her phone.
EDIT: Also, they were sending sacrifices for their god; they didn't WANT to bring them back.
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I rewatched the first Avengers movie for the first time in a while and it's fun to see stuff that was followed up on in the show. When Coulson dies, Steve asks Tony if he was married, and Tony replies with "there was a cellist, I think."
Earlier in the movie Tony makes reference to life model decoys. Obviously it's just a throwaway line there, but it's fun.
And of course, there's Powers Boothe's unnamed character on the World Security Council who gets a name in Agents of SHIELD when he shows up as Gideon Malick.
Comics: they're dead. Except they're not. They're not dead unless you see a body, and even then odds are good it was an illusion or a shapeshifter or an LMD or an alternate reality or...
MCU: it's over, except they're not, well maybe they are, or perhaps it's just moving to a new streaming service.
Like, Loki's dead but throw in a series earlier than that point and suddenly Hiddleston has plenty of work to do all the same. (to be fair, he's also died several times before, so it not sticking would be plenty fitting as well)
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Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
There's a key difference. AoS is made for and broadcast on network television (non-cable), which means a massive audience. Traditional media sourcing still carries more weight, especially since it has advertising slots attached to it.
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Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Ming-Na Wen, Chloe Bennet, Iain De Caestecker, Elizabeth Henstridge, Henry Simmons, Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Jeff Ward.
Clark Gregg is notably missing from that cast list.
Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Ming-Na Wen, Chloe Bennet, Iain De Caestecker, Elizabeth Henstridge, Henry Simmons, Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Jeff Ward.
Clark Gregg is notably missing from that cast list.
Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Ming-Na Wen, Chloe Bennet, Iain De Caestecker, Elizabeth Henstridge, Henry Simmons, Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Jeff Ward.
Clark Gregg is notably missing from that cast list.
They don't list Jeff Ward as Deke Shaw, either (they did for the Season 6 announcement).
Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Ming-Na Wen, Chloe Bennet, Iain De Caestecker, Elizabeth Henstridge, Henry Simmons, Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Jeff Ward.
Clark Gregg is notably missing from that cast list.
They don't list Jeff Ward as Deke Shaw, either (they did for the Season 6 announcement).
Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
There's a key difference. AoS is made for and broadcast on network television (non-cable), which means a massive audience. Traditional media sourcing still carries more weight, especially since it has advertising slots attached to it.
Except AoS has had bad ratings for years, the main reason it hasn't been cancelled several times already by ABC is because Disney wants it around. Agent Carter didn't have this advantage so it got canned. It remains to be seen whether the other tv shows on other networks (Runaways etc) will be protected by Disney, so far this is a trump card AoS has an exclusive on.
Marvel: Cancel Iron Fist. And Luke Cage. And probably Jessica Jones and Daredevil too, fuck it.
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
There's a key difference. AoS is made for and broadcast on network television (non-cable), which means a massive audience. Traditional media sourcing still carries more weight, especially since it has advertising slots attached to it.
I can't find the article I saw recently, but apparently Netflix cancels shows based on word-of-mouth / show impact across social media and the general internet. The recent seasons of IF and LC had a suuuper low impact. The article went on to compare them to AoS, which has a comparatively steady amount of internet mindshare.
Which is neat, but makes me wonder if the Netflix shows are at least partially a casualty of the whole "binge tv" thing.
The other issue is probably that Disney's still planning on launching its own streaming service next year, while Netflix is also if memory serves trying to focus on Netflix owned stuff, at least for the US Market.
That sounds like someones wild silly idea on how they'd run their business. Social media, riiiiight.
That's at least partially, how they do it on the CW as well. Social media presence and support online is how they can tell if their show is something that should be kept around.
Arguably well past their expiration date in a couple of situations.
Also apparently the standardized unit of measurement for TV demand is called "Demand Expressions" and two companies that measure it are Parrot Analytics and Crimson Hexagon and I swear to god those names sound more like villainous enterprises than Hydra and AIM.
That article is pulling the classic correlation and causation fallacy. Netflix shows in general don't generate buzz for a long period of time since they're binged. It is better than nothing since they don't release numbers, but those numbers are what run things. If it showed 1 billion people watched, but only 1k tweeted I am sure they'd still be around. If they're not watching, though, no tweeting about it.
And AoS being the most watched "Marvel Show" may as well say it has the most "Total Viewers". Network TV could give a shit, Disney is keeping that going. But that leads into the other shows- AoS ratings are crap, so then the Marvel stuff must be pretty abysmal and worse (though the metrics for streaming probably help a lot too. Just not enough for IF and LC so far).
Like the article says, it could be anything, but people not watching is the main problem almost certainly.
Netflix is such a weird beast when it comes to producing shows. It would seem, at least superficially, that the best strategy for them is to have the least amount of content possible to earn your subscription. So, maybe 2 Marvel shows grabs all the possible Marvel dollars, according to their data.
AoS on the other hand, seems to be viewed as a loss leader. It keeps the MCU in mind in between movies. I guess? I don't quite get it, you would think every movie contract would come with like, 3 mandatory episodes. If the point really is to sell the movies, you'd think they'd do a lot more selling. Seems like there's another reason it hangs on that nobody has touched on yet.
Netflix is such a weird beast when it comes to producing shows. It would seem, at least superficially, that the best strategy for them is to have the least amount of content possible to earn your subscription. So, maybe 2 Marvel shows grabs all the possible Marvel dollars, according to their data.
AoS on the other hand, seems to be viewed as a loss leader. It keeps the MCU in mind in between movies. I guess? I don't quite get it, you would think every movie contract would come with like, 3 mandatory episodes. If the point really is to sell the movies, you'd think they'd do a lot more selling. Seems like there's another reason it hangs on that nobody has touched on yet.
Maybe Bob Iger really likes it?
It is weird how the crossover aspect has faded. First it was a plot point for half a season, the an episode or two dealing with the aftermath now it's just a quick mention of Thanos and a fight somewhere off-screen. I'm kind of amused of the idea about Graviton getting involved in the events with Infinity War, like he wanted to. Somehow Stark would discover Coulson being alive before leaving Earth.
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Oh, good. I liked Deke. They'll probably need his help to
Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll see Enoch again too?
I totally expected
Different types of McGuffins. One is one way, the other two way.
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They tried. It didn't work.
EDIT: Also, they were sending sacrifices for their god; they didn't WANT to bring them back.
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I just saw Yoyo's debut episode again last night. I can't find a clip of it online but I love when she's
E: About him. She's still great.
Also, I was meta-disappointed in Daisy when I found out that Chloe Bennet was dating Logan Paul. Which makes no sense at all.
*Deke
But yeah, that shit's weird.
Clark Gregg is still a director in Agents of SHIELD.
As in, he's directing episode(s?).
Earlier in the movie Tony makes reference to life model decoys. Obviously it's just a throwaway line there, but it's fun.
And of course, there's Powers Boothe's unnamed character on the World Security Council who gets a name in Agents of SHIELD when he shows up as Gideon Malick.
Also, season 5 blooper roll? Season 5 blooper roll:
Well this is a nice change of pace, AoS is already confirmed for a seventh season!
Also Marvel: Shit, where's my man Coulson at? Give him two more seasons.
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Comics: they're dead. Except they're not. They're not dead unless you see a body, and even then odds are good it was an illusion or a shapeshifter or an LMD or an alternate reality or...
MCU: it's over, except they're not, well maybe they are, or perhaps it's just moving to a new streaming service.
Like, Loki's dead but throw in a series earlier than that point and suddenly Hiddleston has plenty of work to do all the same. (to be fair, he's also died several times before, so it not sticking would be plenty fitting as well)
Clark Gregg is notably missing from that cast list.
So is Brett Dalton.
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Except AoS has had bad ratings for years, the main reason it hasn't been cancelled several times already by ABC is because Disney wants it around. Agent Carter didn't have this advantage so it got canned. It remains to be seen whether the other tv shows on other networks (Runaways etc) will be protected by Disney, so far this is a trump card AoS has an exclusive on.
Which is neat, but makes me wonder if the Netflix shows are at least partially a casualty of the whole "binge tv" thing.
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Arguably well past their expiration date in a couple of situations.
Also here's the one that shows AoS tops all Marvel shows
Also apparently the standardized unit of measurement for TV demand is called "Demand Expressions" and two companies that measure it are Parrot Analytics and Crimson Hexagon and I swear to god those names sound more like villainous enterprises than Hydra and AIM.
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And AoS being the most watched "Marvel Show" may as well say it has the most "Total Viewers". Network TV could give a shit, Disney is keeping that going. But that leads into the other shows- AoS ratings are crap, so then the Marvel stuff must be pretty abysmal and worse (though the metrics for streaming probably help a lot too. Just not enough for IF and LC so far).
Like the article says, it could be anything, but people not watching is the main problem almost certainly.
AoS on the other hand, seems to be viewed as a loss leader. It keeps the MCU in mind in between movies. I guess? I don't quite get it, you would think every movie contract would come with like, 3 mandatory episodes. If the point really is to sell the movies, you'd think they'd do a lot more selling. Seems like there's another reason it hangs on that nobody has touched on yet.
Maybe Bob Iger really likes it?
It is weird how the crossover aspect has faded. First it was a plot point for half a season, the an episode or two dealing with the aftermath now it's just a quick mention of Thanos and a fight somewhere off-screen. I'm kind of amused of the idea about Graviton getting involved in the events with Infinity War, like he wanted to. Somehow Stark would discover Coulson being alive before leaving Earth.