This is why, after evil Fitz, never leaving the Matrix is my next most likely prediction. If they decide that digital peoples are real enough to fight for, they can seal off the show from the greater MCU by keeping the cast in their own private sandbox. Kinda like keeping your least liked kid locked in the attic and feeding him fish heads.
their meat bodies aren't gonna last too long though, IIRC? Deciding to stay in the Framework forever because it's real too means errybody died IRL. :I
SHIELD would still show up in the movies like the show never existed like it does now and the show ends however it ends any way it wants.
And if you want the most accurate guesswork about renewals look at the ratings and places like tvbythenumbers or the tvgrimreaper. Both those articles are pure fluff pieces with the exception of the 2nd noting this season is the lowest rated ever, the only salient fact.
To date SHIELD's only presence in the films post-Winter Soldier with Nick Fury leading a specific branch (a branch which for all intended purposes in the tv branch doesn't exist), and Civil War ignored SHIELD going public again. Was that a development post-Civil War or Dr. Strange? Or am I overthinking this and we haven't had a movie on Earth acknowledge that? I don't think we're going to get answers to that question with either Thor 3 or GOTG 2.
You know what's really surprising? If the Netflix and Freeform branches ignore it. I understand the movie branch not being politically inclined, even if I disagree how they do it - but what's their excuse? They're all under Loeb's purview.
SHIELD specifically didn't go public until after the Sokovia accords and the events of Civil War. Just before that they were working as a secret branch of the government under the guise of the ATCU.
SHIELD went kinda public in Avengers 1, with the Rising Tide and others questioning their involvement in the Incident. They went fully public in Winter Soldier with the blast of all their secrets.
Sokovia accords are post Ultron / Start of Civil War.
Edit: nm, yeah, they went into hiding again after Winter Soldier and got rolled into the ATCU, then went public again with the Patriot / Daisy. Not sure if they are hiding again after fallout with the Senators assassination.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this buuuuuut....
When the LMDs were running around the SHIELD base, didn't LMD Coulson send LMD Fitz downstairs to check on the LMD Daisies or something? So he didn't get Quaked like LMD Mack, or exploded like LMD May and Coulson.
So we could have two Fitzes running around come season's end.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this buuuuuut....
When the LMDs were running around the SHIELD base, didn't LMD Coulson send LMD Fitz downstairs to check on the LMD Daisies or something? So he didn't get Quaked like LMD Mack, or exploded like LMD May and Coulson.
So we could have two Fitzes running around come season's end.
had to double-check my memory, but Mack was the one who checked on the LMDs.
When they discovered LMD Fitz's body, there was a line about patching him up, but no scene followed-up on that. It might have happened off-screen, of course.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this buuuuuut....
When the LMDs were running around the SHIELD base, didn't LMD Coulson send LMD Fitz downstairs to check on the LMD Daisies or something? So he didn't get Quaked like LMD Mack, or exploded like LMD May and Coulson.
So we could have two Fitzes running around come season's end.
had to double-check my memory, but Mack was the one who checked on the LMDs.
When they discovered LMD Fitz's body, there was a line about patching him up, but no scene followed-up on that. It might have happened off-screen, of course.
I thought they had gotten him back up and he was in a scene, but I guess not, huh.
Still got all those Daisy LMDs down there though...
The "make X great again" and "nevertheless, she persisted" lines just completely drop me out of the show. It's like watching Battlestar Galactica and then Tom Zarack starts talking about "sectarian violence"
Look, the audience gets it. You're drawing analogies to current events using your show. You don't have to pepper us with the popular phrases of the current zeitgeist for us - that turns from subtext and symbolism to just slapping us with a stick that says "Message."
Fuck an Evil Fitz storyline, as there's a high chance of these being the final eps and they won't reverse that this season if they do it.
Is there an interview somewhere where they said this was the last season?
I mean you could be right but there is no evidence to support this fear.
As far as we know, the show has not been renewed yet. That's what supports this fear...
And that ratings aren't high enough to reasonably expect it to happen. They're not bad enough either. But if they have a lot of promising shows in the works, or have a higher than normal retention of existing shows, it could make renewal uncertain.
So I agree with Xeddicus, setting up a huge cliffhanger without a higher degree of certainty of being able to resolve it, is just going to serve to piss people off. And that can have a commercial impact regarding resale. There are some shows that I'll buy and some I won't. How they end is a factor in that.
Also, Inhumans is coming out this September, so they may have something to fill the timeslot if they need it.
Fuck an Evil Fitz storyline, as there's a high chance of these being the final eps and they won't reverse that this season if they do it.
Is there an interview somewhere where they said this was the last season?
I mean you could be right but there is no evidence to support this fear.
As far as we know, the show has not been renewed yet. That's what supports this fear...
And that ratings aren't high enough to reasonably expect it to happen. They're not bad enough either. But if they have a lot of promising shows in the works, or have a higher than normal retention of existing shows, it could make renewal uncertain.
So I agree with Xeddicus, setting up a huge cliffhanger without a higher degree of certainty of being able to resolve it, is just going to serve to piss people off. And that can have a commercial impact regarding resale. There are some shows that I'll buy and some I won't. How they end is a factor in that.
Also, Inhumans is coming out this September, so they may have something to fill the timeslot if they need it.
Inhumans is probably going to be amateurish trash compared to AoS, considering they're tapping Scott Buck, the showrunner for late season Dexter and Iron Fist, for it.
Fuck an Evil Fitz storyline, as there's a high chance of these being the final eps and they won't reverse that this season if they do it.
Is there an interview somewhere where they said this was the last season?
I mean you could be right but there is no evidence to support this fear.
As far as we know, the show has not been renewed yet. That's what supports this fear...
And that ratings aren't high enough to reasonably expect it to happen. They're not bad enough either. But if they have a lot of promising shows in the works, or have a higher than normal retention of existing shows, it could make renewal uncertain.
So I agree with Xeddicus, setting up a huge cliffhanger without a higher degree of certainty of being able to resolve it, is just going to serve to piss people off. And that can have a commercial impact regarding resale. There are some shows that I'll buy and some I won't. How they end is a factor in that.
Also, Inhumans is coming out this September, so they may have something to fill the timeslot if they need it.
Inhumans is probably going to be amateurish trash compared to AoS, considering they're tapping Scott Buck, the showrunner for late season Dexter and Iron Fist, for it.
I would not trade AoS for Inhumans, thank you.
I do hope that Daisy shows up in Inhumans from time to time.
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Fuck an Evil Fitz storyline, as there's a high chance of these being the final eps and they won't reverse that this season if they do it.
Is there an interview somewhere where they said this was the last season?
I mean you could be right but there is no evidence to support this fear.
As far as we know, the show has not been renewed yet. That's what supports this fear...
And that ratings aren't high enough to reasonably expect it to happen. They're not bad enough either. But if they have a lot of promising shows in the works, or have a higher than normal retention of existing shows, it could make renewal uncertain.
So I agree with Xeddicus, setting up a huge cliffhanger without a higher degree of certainty of being able to resolve it, is just going to serve to piss people off. And that can have a commercial impact regarding resale. There are some shows that I'll buy and some I won't. How they end is a factor in that.
Also, Inhumans is coming out this September, so they may have something to fill the timeslot if they need it.
Inhumans is probably going to be amateurish trash compared to AoS, considering they're tapping Scott Buck, the showrunner for late season Dexter and Iron Fist, for it.
I would not trade AoS for Inhumans, thank you.
Sadly, Iron Fist was one of the most watched original programs on Netflix while AoS started out OK and has gotten worse and worse ratings as time has gone on, so I'm guessing Marvel's show plans probably aren't going to go the way you want.
Iron Fist's quality aside (I thought it was mostly fine minus the last fight), most people have no idea who the show runners are for anything. So the deciding factor will be if Inhuman's pulls in more ratings for ABC (assuming SHIELD is even still around which is looking unlikely at this point anyway).
Edit: I misread that quote tree, but since it's still true I'll just leave this here.
Iron Fist's quality aside (I thought it was mostly fine minus the last fight), most people have no idea who the show runners are for anything. So the deciding factor will be if Inhuman's pulls in more ratings for ABC (assuming SHIELD is even still around which is looking unlikely at this point anyway).
Edit: I misread that quote tree, but since it's still true I'll just leave this here.
Marvel doesn't need them to know whether the audience know who the showrunners are, what they can judge on that for themselves are the results - which there are plenty of options to pursue. It remains to be seen whether Buck's tenure on IF is enough to make him remain there, it also relies on how much they desire their product to be viewed. The last time they had something anywhere near this reaction was Iron Man 3, though as polarizing as it was everyone felt it was a polished production. As well as the tv branch's history regarding quality, which has a great track record so far.
While not being renewed yet is not ideal, looking at Wikipedia, it seems that while Season 4 was green-lit in March, Seasons 2 and 3 were given that treatment in May of their preceding year.
So while I'm growing a bit worried, it wouldn't be completely out of place for that news to come out in the next month yet.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I especially liked the trio of mini-arcs this past season. That's something I'd like to see them continue to work with.
It's almost like 3 mini seasons with overarching elements.
Yeah, that has worked really well this season. They even had breaks between each arc. I kind of forget that this season started off with Ghost Rider. It feels like so long ago. I hope he comes back.
I especially liked the trio of mini-arcs this past season. That's something I'd like to see them continue to work with.
It's almost like 3 mini seasons with overarching elements.
Yeah, that has worked really well this season. They even had breaks between each arc. I kind of forget that this season started off with Ghost Rider. It feels like so long ago. I hope he comes back.
The constant breaks don't help its ratings, though. People stop tuning into a show when it isn't on for a month...
I especially liked the trio of mini-arcs this past season. That's something I'd like to see them continue to work with.
It's almost like 3 mini seasons with overarching elements.
Yeah, that has worked really well this season. They even had breaks between each arc. I kind of forget that this season started off with Ghost Rider. It feels like so long ago. I hope he comes back.
The constant breaks don't help its ratings, though. People stop tuning into a show when it isn't on for a month...
Yeah, but every show is doing that nowadays. Look at the DC CW shows: Legends of Tomorrow had its season finale and the other two shows have been on hold for like a month.
Bleeeeh, I hate when plot blurbs are inadvertently spoilers.
Nevertheless, I guess some of you might want to know.
SPOILERS for upcoming episodes!
No, seriously!
If you prefer to be surprised by the trajectory of the rest of this season and the fate of our favorite agents within the framework, don't click these.
Ep. 4x19 (tonight), episode title:
"All the Madame's Men"
Plot blurb:
Daisy finds herself teamed up with an unlikely partner. Meanwhile, Aida prepares to put her ultimate end game into effect.
Ep 4x20, title:
"Farewell, Cruel World!"
Plot blurb:
Daisy and Simmons race against the clock to get the team out of the Framework, but not everyone is ready to leave.
Ep 4x21, title:
"The Return"
Plot blurb, and you probably really don't want to click this one - I found it way too revealing:
Coulson and the team's victory in the Framework is short-lived, revealing an even deadlier enemy looming against them all.
Ep 4x22, title:
"World's End"
No plot blurb for this one yet, but let's hope it's not the show's end too...
What's intriguing is that we haven't seen AIDA use her powers in the Framework. I'd like to know why, she clearly had them while May was in the prototype.
What's intriguing is that we haven't seen AIDA use her powers in the Framework. I'd like to know why, she clearly had them while May was in the prototype.
I suspect that Framework AIDA
has a human body.
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What's intriguing is that we haven't seen AIDA use her powers in the Framework. I'd like to know why, she clearly had them while May was in the prototype.
I suspect that Framework AIDA
has a human body.
If that's the case she's notoriously easy to defeat physically.
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What's intriguing is that we haven't seen AIDA use her powers in the Framework. I'd like to know why, she clearly had them while May was in the prototype.
I suspect that Framework AIDA
has a human body.
If that's the case she's notoriously easy to defeat physically.
About as much as anyone else in Shield/Hydra. Plus the whole omniscience thing makes even getting close enough to try tricky.
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their meat bodies aren't gonna last too long though, IIRC? Deciding to stay in the Framework forever because it's real too means errybody died IRL. :I
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SHIELD went kinda public in Avengers 1, with the Rising Tide and others questioning their involvement in the Incident. They went fully public in Winter Soldier with the blast of all their secrets.
Sokovia accords are post Ultron / Start of Civil War.
Edit: nm, yeah, they went into hiding again after Winter Soldier and got rolled into the ATCU, then went public again with the Patriot / Daisy. Not sure if they are hiding again after fallout with the Senators assassination.
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So we could have two Fitzes running around come season's end.
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When they discovered LMD Fitz's body, there was a line about patching him up, but no scene followed-up on that. It might have happened off-screen, of course.
Still got all those Daisy LMDs down there though...
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Sure, the Core Cast are the decision makers, but for all anyone knows those things could go live and start kicking ass at any time.
Stated openly because the OP's spoiler policy says to tag the most recent episode and anything pending. The episode in question happened 2 months ago.
Look, the audience gets it. You're drawing analogies to current events using your show. You don't have to pepper us with the popular phrases of the current zeitgeist for us - that turns from subtext and symbolism to just slapping us with a stick that says "Message."
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Also, Inhumans is coming out this September, so they may have something to fill the timeslot if they need it.
Inhumans is probably going to be amateurish trash compared to AoS, considering they're tapping Scott Buck, the showrunner for late season Dexter and Iron Fist, for it.
I would not trade AoS for Inhumans, thank you.
I do hope that Daisy shows up in Inhumans from time to time.
Sadly, Iron Fist was one of the most watched original programs on Netflix while AoS started out OK and has gotten worse and worse ratings as time has gone on, so I'm guessing Marvel's show plans probably aren't going to go the way you want.
Edit: I misread that quote tree, but since it's still true I'll just leave this here.
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Marvel doesn't need them to know whether the audience know who the showrunners are, what they can judge on that for themselves are the results - which there are plenty of options to pursue. It remains to be seen whether Buck's tenure on IF is enough to make him remain there, it also relies on how much they desire their product to be viewed. The last time they had something anywhere near this reaction was Iron Man 3, though as polarizing as it was everyone felt it was a polished production. As well as the tv branch's history regarding quality, which has a great track record so far.
That being said I'd venture to say AoS is probably up there as one of my favorite Marvel properties at the moment.
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That would certainly do it.
Ah yes, the Blake's 7 school of ending your show.
What's great about AoS is that they could end the show now, and restart the series a decade down the line with all new characters.
So while I'm growing a bit worried, it wouldn't be completely out of place for that news to come out in the next month yet.
Same here, I want this show to go on forever. It has a broader range of adaptability then something like NCIS.
It's almost like 3 mini seasons with overarching elements.
Instead of feeling overly long and dragged out ie Netflix marvel
Yeah, that has worked really well this season. They even had breaks between each arc. I kind of forget that this season started off with Ghost Rider. It feels like so long ago. I hope he comes back.
The constant breaks don't help its ratings, though. People stop tuning into a show when it isn't on for a month...
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Yeah, but every show is doing that nowadays. Look at the DC CW shows: Legends of Tomorrow had its season finale and the other two shows have been on hold for like a month.
Nevertheless, I guess some of you might want to know.
SPOILERS for upcoming episodes!
If you prefer to be surprised by the trajectory of the rest of this season and the fate of our favorite agents within the framework, don't click these.
Ep. 4x19 (tonight), episode title:
Plot blurb:
Ep 4x20, title:
Plot blurb:
Ep 4x21, title:
Plot blurb, and you probably really don't want to click this one - I found it way too revealing:
Ep 4x22, title:
No plot blurb for this one yet, but let's hope it's not the show's end too...
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Obvious guess is obvious.
Obvious guess is obvious.
I suspect that Framework AIDA