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[Obamacare repeal]: Senate AHCA rewrite - kill Medicaid to fund tax cuts for the rich
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Luckily the first line of the last OP still works:
This thread is about the Republican's stated goal of repealing Obamacare, and replacing it with an as to be yet written plan.
Here's the latest:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/republican-health-care-proposal-white-house-ahca/523746/
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Let's keep this thread to discussing the repeal/replace efforts going on now and in the future, and try not to relitigate Obamacare's Constitutionality itself if we can help it.
Stay on topic!
This thread is about the Republican's stated goal of repealing Obamacare, and replacing it with an as to be yet written plan.
Here's the latest:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/republican-health-care-proposal-white-house-ahca/523746/
President Trump desperately wants a deal on health care, and he wants the House to pass it next week before his first 100 days in the White House are out.
That much is clear from the reports of a tentative agreement between the leader of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, Representative Mark Meadows of North Carolina, and a co-chairman of the moderate Tuesday Group, Representative Tom MacArthur of New Jersey, to break a stalemate over the GOP’s American Health Care Act.
What’s also clear, however, is that the House Republican leadership—the lawmakers that both call and count the votes in Congress—shares neither the optimism nor the urgency of the White House. Speaker Paul Ryan said after a speech in London on Wednesday that Republicans were putting “the finishing touches” on a new proposal, after the party stumbled badly last month on its initial attempt to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. But on Thursday, a senior GOP congressional aide dampened expectations for the bill, which a senior White House official told The Washington Post could receive a House vote as soon as the middle of next week.
“The question is whether it can get 216 votes in the House and the answer isn’t clear at this time,” the aide wrote me in an email. “There is no legislative text and therefore no agreement to do a whip count on.”
These mixed signals are the latest example of the yawning expectations gap between Trump and Ryan over what Congress can achieve on the vexing question of health care. Reluctant to acknowledge defeat, the president has repeatedly insisted over the last several weeks that an agreement is close at hand, that the differences separating the hardliners in the Freedom Caucus from the more pragmatic and electorally vulnerable moderates are bridgeable. “It’s evolving,” the president said Thursday during a press conference, in which he denied there was ever “a give-up” on the issue. (His top aides had told House Republicans that Trump would move on from health care if they didn’t pass the bill last month.) “The plan gets better and better and better, and it’s gotten really, really good, and a lot of people are liking it a lot,” Trump said. “We have a good chance of getting it soon.”
But while Ryan has made a public show of confidence, his office has been much more skeptical about the prospects for reviving the AHCA, having seen first-hand how narrow the path is for writing a policy that can win the votes of conservatives without sacrificing the support of Republicans closer to the political center. Conservative activists also sense that the speaker is fearful of being burned again on a bill for which he expended significant political capital and lost.
The basic dynamics haven’t changed: Members of the Freedom Caucus want to repeal more of Obamacare’s insurance mandates than the AHCA initially scrapped. They argue that doing so is central to the GOP’s long-standing promise of a complete repeal and that the requirements that insurance companies cover certain essential health benefits and accept even the sickest customers are driving up premiums for millions of Americans. Moderates, however, are leery of breaking another pledge Republicans have made repeatedly—that they would not do away with Obamacare’s popular protections for people with preexisting conditions.
As reported by The Huffington Post and Politico, the agreement Meadows and MacArthur have struck would deal with the mandates by letting the states opt out of many of them, so long as they demonstrated that an alternative policy would seek to lower premium costs and expand insurance coverage. In theory, the compromise would let conservatives declare they have weakened Obamacare’s mandates and given states more power over health-care policy. And moderates hailing from Democratic states could assure their constituents that, in all likelihood, they would not lose the protections they currently have because their governors or legislatures would not opt out of the federal mandates.
But the proposal faces any number of pitfalls, both practically and politically.
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They're supposedly going to introduce it Tuesday and vote on it Wednesday. Plus also do a CR on Thursday. ...I find that doubtful. It's not like people aren't going to read it between now and the Senate vote (which, again, most of their idiocy violates Reconciliation) and now you're on record supporting this crap.
They're literally only giving 24 hours to read it? Damn.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
That's a lot of writing for one weekend!
Plus, as I said last thread, this bill is so shitty and unpopular, that it's probably one of the few things democrats could filibuster and get props from moderate republicans for doing so. There is no win for them, even if they get this out of the house. Hell, it makes it much easier for democrats to find stuff to campaign on. If somehow passes the house and dying to the filibuster, the ads could literally write themselves.
And Trump's budget director wants Congress to put funding for the wall in the budget resolution instead of a clean continuing resolution, making that process even messier.
This is where Trump helps cause a government shutdown out of a desperate attempt to look like he is winning on healthcare at the end of his first 100 days.
It would be kind of amazing and poetic if the Republicans caused a shutdown of the Republican government because the Republicans couldn't get the Republicans to agree on anything.
Obstruction is life.
Edit: To make this post on topic, the House Ways and Means Committee was supposed to start working on tax reform next week, but they've apparently been told instead to switch gears back to health care reform again, as they've cancelled a public hearing on a Border Adjustment Tax that was scheduled for Thursday.
Reince Priebus can't really think this is going to end well for him.
Solution: Cap that hundred days by re-failing at something that already failed spectacularly once.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
He doesn't want to be known as the President who didn't get anything done, but isn't willing (or is unable) to put forth a bill that the public wouldn't crucify the GOP for.
He might be starting to realize that insane populist promises can get you into office, but won't keep you there if you don't deliver the goods.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Which is why you learn to breath through your nose.
Do not engage the Watermelons.
There just seems to be no institutional comprehension within the Executive Branch involving anything to do with legislation and politics.
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Republican voters, presumably, in concert with Dems. In 2020. Assuming he lasts that long.
Hope is all I have some days.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Not really. The reason there's a chance he could is because the subsidies are in a lawsuit by the Congress that preliminarily shuts them off but was stayed.
To be fair, this is exactly what Trump would do. That's what plenty of people have been calling this focus on healthcare even after the failure. Trump can't deal with the failure and yet his political capital is shitting itself away by the second so it moves further and further out of reach.
Trump wont veto anything unless it is personally insulting to him, or causes himself or his business specifically financial distress.
Everything, no matter how bad, can be lied about and called good, which counts as a win for him. What he cant lie about and call winning is having nothing to sign, and having no legislative victories.
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This is apparently all in addition to the tax proposal Trump today said he would release "Wednesday or shortly thereafter," because when you can't walk, why not walk, juggle, and chew bubblegum at the same time.
It is almost hard to believe that Trump is probably doing all of this for the sole purpose of making himself look less pathetic by the 100 day mark despite the fact that nobody is going to give a shit about it a year from now. It is trump so it isn't really hard to believe.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Washington Post reporter:
Note that they're not even talking about the Senate yet. They're questioning whether it can pass in the no-filibuster, clear R majority House.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I don't think Trump cares, in the least bit, about 20+ point flips in Kansas or Georgia. Trump is only out for Trump, and expects everyone else to be the same.
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For one, the money currently being asked for the wall isn't the same as ACA subsidies cost.
For another, what incentive do the Democrats have for accepting that offer? "Either you pay for this unpopular wall or we strangle ACA subsidies in a way that will focus the anger of millions at us."
"Give us $1 in new appropriations for $1 of existing budget when we can't pass a law to remove it" is perhaps not the smartest negotiation strategy.
wait, I thought mexico was paying for tha GASP!
the president wasn't lying to us was he?!
This would require anyone understanding how our government "works"
Lol what the fuck. They need to reverse bribe Dems to get wall funding now?
"Approve my wall or I'll let the sick die."
/me walks off the the 'Angry Dome' to rant.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.