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The French Presidential Election

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    Sparvy wrote: »
    I thought it was called couriel in french, did my french lessons lie to me?

    It is, but many people prefer to use the english words rather than the french translation for a lot of things related to computer technology. And some of the french words are just awful. Spam/junk mail is " pourriel" ,, lame

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Sparvy wrote: »
    I thought it was called couriel in french, did my french lessons lie to me?

    No your lessors are correct, it's courriel (two Rs btw). But afaik, that word is only used popularly in Québec, and even there it's really 50/50.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Sparvy wrote: »
    I thought it was called couriel in french, did my french lessons lie to me?

    It is, but many people prefer to use the english words rather than the french translation for a lot of things related to computer technology. And some of the french words are just awful. Spam/junk mail is " pourriel" ,, lame

    That's nothing. "Chat" is "clavardage", which is just so cumbersome to use. And that's coming from someone who loves puns.

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  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    I have to wonder if the timing of this and that Le Pen knew some of what was in the bullshit was coming, could provide ample evidence to jail her shit ass on criminal charges (not sure if they could argue for Treason, I would say what they are doing is treason, but it depends on how the laws are written). I imagine one of the first steps to countering Russia's bullshit power play here is to start going after all the right wing fuckers that are coordinating with them. I'd say Putin is playing with fire because someone is going to decide they've had enough and Russia will find itself dealing with a major incident that they are ill-equipped to win (Russia pretends to be strong they really aren't)

  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Sparvy wrote: »
    I thought it was called couriel in french, did my french lessons lie to me?

    No your lessors are correct, it's courriel (two Rs btw). But afaik, that word is only used popularly in Québec, and even there it's really 50/50.

    I will only use courriel if I have some weapon pointed at my head, and even then only if I'm convinced that it's loaded.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I miss cool words like Thermidor and Fruictidor
    Mill wrote: »
    I have to wonder if the timing of this and that Le Pen knew some of what was in the bullshit was coming, could provide ample evidence to jail her shit ass on criminal charges (not sure if they could argue for Treason, I would say what they are doing is treason, but it depends on how the laws are written). I imagine one of the first steps to countering Russia's bullshit power play here is to start going after all the right wing fuckers that are coordinating with them. I'd say Putin is playing with fire because someone is going to decide they've had enough and Russia will find itself dealing with a major incident that they are ill-equipped to win (Russia pretends to be strong they really aren't)

    Collusion maybe? It's hard because it's the kind of thing that's hard to reliably codify. Which is exactly why it goes on.

  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    French media warned not to publish Emmanuel Macron leaks
    France’s electoral commission warned media and internet users that they could face criminal prosecution for publishing documents obtained in a “massive and coordinated hacking attack” on the presidential frontrunner Emmanuel Macron’s political movement.

    The commission, which held an emergency meeting to discuss the leak, said some of the documents appeared to contain “false information”.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    The French laws regarding campaign blackouts are probably something that hasn't really adapted well to social media or the internet in general, though. As far as I'm aware people can still blog or post about it.

  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    How technically and commercially feasible is it for social media sites to partner with ISPs and block Russia from pumping out troll accounts?

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    The act of the commission itself commenting on the veracity of the information seems to be a pretty salient example of the detriment of this kind of blackout.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    The act of the commission itself commenting on the veracity of the information seems to be a pretty salient example of the detriment of this kind of blackout.

    How so?

  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    shryke wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    The act of the commission itself commenting on the veracity of the information seems to be a pretty salient example of the detriment of this kind of blackout.

    How so?

    For example, if they had inferred the information had merit there would be no recourse to challenge it whatsoever.

  • CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    I have to wonder if the timing of this and that Le Pen knew some of what was in the bullshit was coming, could provide ample evidence to jail her shit ass on criminal charges (not sure if they could argue for Treason, I would say what they are doing is treason, but it depends on how the laws are written). I imagine one of the first steps to countering Russia's bullshit power play here is to start going after all the right wing fuckers that are coordinating with them. I'd say Putin is playing with fire because someone is going to decide they've had enough and Russia will find itself dealing with a major incident that they are ill-equipped to win (Russia pretends to be strong they really aren't)

    Le Pen is already under investigation for diverting EU parliament monies (5 million Euro to be exact) that apparently ended up funding FN campaign purposes. The likely reason it hasn't sunk her campaign to the extent that Fillon's crook-ery did is that her base likely looks upon such an act as a good thing to do.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    A steak! wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    The act of the commission itself commenting on the veracity of the information seems to be a pretty salient example of the detriment of this kind of blackout.

    How so?

    For example, if they had inferred the information had merit there would be no recourse to challenge it whatsoever.

    I'm not sure how this makes their commentary an example of the detriments of the system.

    And it's not like challenging last-second smears like this frequently works even if you do have the ability.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    How technically and commercially feasible is it for social media sites to partner with ISPs and block Russia from pumping out troll accounts?

    Commercially, it probably wouldn't be that hard, since i doubt russia is running enough net buisnesses for it to be that much of a hit (particularly if other nations buttered up the ISPs)

    Technically is an entirely different matter; wireless internet makes it real hard to keep people out.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    It's less wireless internet and more proxys. You can do it but in order to it it needs to be impossible to proxy in from another nation. To do that you more or less have to block all foreign hosts (minus a whitelist) which is essentially what China does iirc.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    On a practical level, few French people are spending the day before an election looking at political twitter stuff or political Facebook stuff, especially not political twitter stuff mostly coming from English speakers who aren't very good at French instead of even the shadier French media.

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  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Blight on Discourse Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    How technically and commercially feasible is it for social media sites to partner with ISPs and block Russia from pumping out troll accounts?

    Commercially, it probably wouldn't be that hard, since i doubt russia is running enough net buisnesses for it to be that much of a hit (particularly if other nations buttered up the ISPs)

    Technically is an entirely different matter; wireless internet makes it real hard to keep people out.

    Ironically if they just blackholed Russian net businesses it would take out Torchlight's email server.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Polls are now open. Macron's gonna whoop that ass, and it's not gonna be even a little bit close.

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  • 101101 Registered User regular
    Logically I know that's the must likely outcome, but ho boy will I feel a lot better to see that in reality

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Polls are now open. Macron's gonna whoop that ass, and it's not gonna be even a little bit close.

    I sure hope you're right. Hopefully this is the point the world says "this far and no further" to racist, fascist, Russian backed candidates.

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    How long until we know the results, roughly?

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Polls should close no later than 2 PM EST. Exit polls will be shortly after. There will probably be some preliminary polls before then.

  • SchadenfreudeSchadenfreude Mean Mister Mustard Registered User regular
    Consider also that the districts that get their vote tallied soonest are likely the pro-LePen areas. There was some tearing of hairs in the first round as those results came in.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited May 2017
    Are there any sites reporting results live when the counting starts?

    edit: ...or do they even do that in France with the blackout thing?

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  • caligynefobcaligynefob DKRegistered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    Are there any sites reporting results live when the counting starts?

    edit: ...or do they even do that in France with the blackout thing?

    As I understand it they can't report on exit polls until the official statement is out.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    Voter turnout is low.

    I'm not panicking, you're panicking.

    Also I haven't delved past the headlines yet but I'm hearing stuff about false data the Macron campaign planted in case they got hacked that's pretty much designed to catch Wikileaks out and make them look like idiots? I'm not sure how true that is.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2017
    Also, France is in one time zone.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    Voter turnout is low.

    It's not low. It's slightly lower. Look at the historical numbers, don't just read headlines.

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    Are there any sites reporting results live when the counting starts?

    edit: ...or do they even do that in France with the blackout thing?

    As I understand it they can't report on exit polls until the official statement is out.

    Nothing more will come from French media until 2pm EST, at which point the forecast will be announced based on initial results

  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Polls are now open. Macron's gonna whoop that ass, and it's not gonna be even a little bit close.

    I'm guessing somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1. This is basically a rejection of Le Pen although there will be some press saying that she did better than her Dad.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Polls are now open. Macron's gonna whoop that ass, and it's not gonna be even a little bit close.

    I'm guessing somewhere in the vicinity of 2-1. This is basically a rejection of Le Pen although there will be some press saying that she did better than her Dad.

    I'm with you. I'd bet a pretty penny on over 60%, so 66% is a possibility.

  • scherbchenscherbchen Asgard (it is dead)Registered User regular
    I ain't worried.

    they have been on the receiving end of our German shit of the same ilk before. They know better.

    you got this, France. if anybody can stop this sillyness it is you.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    According to news out of Belgium, exit polling is showing Macron will win 63-64% of the vote (French media is legally not allowed to report on this sorta thing).

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    The NYT is doing a live results map. So fart nothing because polls haven't closed and aren't reporting yet.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/07/world/europe/france-election-results-maps.html

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    zeeny wrote: »
    Voter turnout is low.

    It's not low. It's slightly lower. Look at the historical numbers, don't just read headlines.

    It is being reported as 63% here so that is slightly?

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Voter turnout is low.

    I'm not panicking, you're panicking.

    Also I haven't delved past the headlines yet but I'm hearing stuff about false data the Macron campaign planted in case they got hacked that's pretty much designed to catch Wikileaks out and make them look like idiots? I'm not sure how true that is.

    Rightwing conspiracy thinking tends to claim any contradictions in the facts are a "false flag operation.".

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    France threatening criminal penalties against people (not just media entities) for sharing the emails seems heavy-handed to me.
    Voter turnout is low.

    I'm not panicking, you're panicking.

    Also I haven't delved past the headlines yet but I'm hearing stuff about false data the Macron campaign planted in case they got hacked that's pretty much designed to catch Wikileaks out and make them look like idiots? I'm not sure how true that is.
    Wikileaks wouldn't look like idiots, they haven't claimed that the documents are legitimate (they claim to be analyzing them and looking for fakes). Macron's campaign said they found fakes, but I'm sort of skeptical, mainly because I doubt they've had the time to go through all the leaks yet. Clinton implied that some of her leaked emails were fake too, which as far as we know didn't end up being true.

    WikiLeaks also pointed out metadata in Cyrillic in some of the files, which could imply that Russia altered them, although why WikiLeaks would point this out is unclear to me (they prefaced the post with "false flag?").

    That Reuters article pointed out that the leaks seem to have initially appeared on 4chan/been shared by US far right activists before being picked up by French Le Pen supporters. Seems odd to me, though I guess anonymously crowdsourcing the distribution might be smarter than just sending a torrent link to the FN or whatever.

    The whole thing is disturbing, but the late timing + the French media laws lead me to agree that the hack won't have a significant effect on the election. The reports of lower than expected turnout are displeasing, I assume the left is just staying home because they weren't down for a tactical/lesser evil vote this time (still the wrong move, IMO). Not terribly worried about the results but I look forward to being sure in a few hours.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    The whole damn West needs mandatory voting ten years ago.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    The whole damn West needs mandatory voting ten years ago.
    As long as there is an official "none of the above" option, otherwise people check boxes arbitrarily just to complete a ballot.

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