If anyone needs priest wins, just get matchmade against me. You will guaranteed either have the nuts opener or always have an answer as needed. If you've been longing for that dream turn 4 16/16 into your opponent's face, I'm your goat!
If anyone needs priest wins, just get matchmade against me. You will guaranteed either have the nuts opener or always have an answer as needed. If you've been longing for that dream turn 4 16/16 into your opponent's face, I'm your goat!
Do you promise the same for Rogue wins?
I've actually been getting wins against rogues this month, so no.
Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
I also don't like that they are calling evolve shaman token shaman. Token humans with their token names.
Token Shaman does legitimately have tokens though: The Dopplegangster buddies are actually tokens, since they're created via battlecry. Jade Golems are also tokens. The Murloc totem creates tokens. And Maelstrom Portal's random 1-drop is a token. That's way more tokens than in token Druid! That's also more cards than involved in the Evolve combo.
On a side note: is there anything to be done about Dopplegangster & Evolve? It seems like such a BS uncounterable 2-card combo.
I also don't like that they are calling evolve shaman token shaman. Token humans with their token names.
Token Shaman does legitimately have tokens though: The Dopplegangster buddies are actually tokens, since they're created via battlecry. Jade Golems are also tokens. The Murloc totem creates tokens. And Maelstrom Portal's random 1-drop is a token. That's way more tokens than in token Druid! That's also more cards than involved in the Evolve combo.
On a side note: is there anything to be done about Dopplegangster & Evolve? It seems like such a BS uncounterable 2-card combo.
yeah
be me and get nothing but moat lurkers and kidnappers
I feel like this was answered years ago but I forgot some lore here: there are Titans and there are Demons fighting in an eternal battle. The Demons want to destroy the material universe and turn everything into fel energy, the Titans like things the way they are. Sargeras was a Titan who pulled a Judge Death; the Demons can't corrupt the lesser races if the lesser races are all dead so he started the Burning Crusade to wipe out all mortal life, which is preferable to losing the whole universe.
Why is Sargeras hanging out with Demons? If Demons are his enemies, why does he have Demon underlings?
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I feel like this was answered years ago but I forgot some lore here: there are Titans and there are Demons fighting in an eternal battle. The Demons want to destroy the material universe and turn everything into fel energy, the Titans like things the way they are. Sargeras was a Titan who pulled a Judge Death; the Demons can't corrupt the lesser races if the lesser races are all dead so he started the Burning Crusade to wipe out all mortal life, which is preferable to losing the whole universe.
Why is Sargeras hanging out with Demons? If Demons are his enemies, why does he have Demon underlings?
Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
Don't they run that 1-3 spider that spawns a 1-3 spider?
Worth pointing out: You can already sort of take advantage of the Legendary pack opening change they're planning as long as you resolve not to open any packs until the next expansion. I went ahead and crafted a couple of classic legendaries I didn't have that were close to the top of my wishlist, and will be saving my brawl/spectate packs to open after the next expansion comes out.
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I feel like this was answered years ago but I forgot some lore here: there are Titans and there are Demons fighting in an eternal battle. The Demons want to destroy the material universe and turn everything into fel energy, the Titans like things the way they are. Sargeras was a Titan who pulled a Judge Death; the Demons can't corrupt the lesser races if the lesser races are all dead so he started the Burning Crusade to wipe out all mortal life, which is preferable to losing the whole universe.
Why is Sargeras hanging out with Demons? If Demons are his enemies, why does he have Demon underlings?
I thought Sargeras's deal was that he wanted to stop the Void Lords, and needed a universe united under the Burning Legion to do that.
Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
also, firefly arguably generates a token and also some lists run eggnapper
I needed anime to post. on
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
also, firefly arguably generates a token and also some lists run eggnapper
Firefly doesn't generate a token. It puts another card in your hand!
I was just using the latest Vicious Syndicate deck lists for easy lookup. I've certainly seen the 2/1 Battlecry add a 1/1 Murlocs too in Druid token decks.
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
also, firefly arguably generates a token and also some lists run eggnapper
Firefly doesn't generate a token. It puts another card in your hand!
I was just using the latest Vicious Syndicate deck lists for easy lookup. I've certainly seen the 2/1 Battlecry add a 1/1 Murlocs too in Druid token decks.
It's a card that represents a token, tho. Remember, this isn't MTG, tokens are also cards--a treant gets sapped, bam, you got a 2/2 token in your hand.
Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
also, firefly arguably generates a token and also some lists run eggnapper
Firefly doesn't generate a token. It puts another card in your hand!
I was just using the latest Vicious Syndicate deck lists for easy lookup. I've certainly seen the 2/1 Battlecry add a 1/1 Murlocs too in Druid token decks.
It's a card that represents a token, tho. Remember, this isn't MTG, tokens are also cards--a treant gets sapped, bam, you got a 2/2 token in your hand.
It's not summoned into play. It goes into your hand, and has to be played out with another mana cost.
spoiled cuz people don't like it when i gush about other digital card games here even when my point is "god why can't hearthstone do this"
so eternal's second set is coming out in a bit, right? and as a pre-release event, they're running basically a heroic tavern brawl this weekend. you HAVE to build a deck with one of the 5 colour pairs the expansion is focused on, which is tricky because there's not many two-colour cards for those pairs, so it's a brawl that inherently encourages off-meta decks. then once you start the brawl, four cards from the new set are shuffled into the deck you made.
but on top of that, the prize payout is this: it costs the price of 4 boosters to enter, and for going 0-3, you will get...4 boosters from the next set. 4 wins goes up to 5, and 7 goes up to 7
it's literally just a celebration gold dump ahead of time and it's so satisfying! i'm super pumped about this now! i'm gonna wind up giving them money!
gimme something cool like that blizzard, jeesus!
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spoiled cuz people don't like it when i gush about other digital card games here even when my point is "god why can't hearthstone do this"
so eternal's second set is coming out in a bit, right? and as a pre-release event, they're running basically a heroic tavern brawl this weekend. you HAVE to build a deck with one of the 5 colour pairs the expansion is focused on, which is tricky because there's not many two-colour cards for those pairs, so it's a brawl that inherently encourages off-meta decks. then once you start the brawl, four cards from the new set are shuffled into the deck you made.
but on top of that, the prize payout is this: it costs the price of 4 boosters to enter, and for going 0-3, you will get...4 boosters from the next set. 4 wins goes up to 5, and 7 goes up to 7
it's literally just a celebration gold dump ahead of time and it's so satisfying! i'm super pumped about this now! i'm gonna wind up giving them money!
gimme something cool like that blizzard, jeesus!
I don't know if Blizzard devs ever think like this or if they have higher ups that are telling them not to do cool things like that.
Greetings Starfighter! You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada.
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Fun facts regarding all the dragon priest talk!
1 My wife loves dragons.
2.She is rapidly growing happier and happier with priest. I'm pretty sure it's double the level of the rest of her classes.
3. Ergo, I hypothesize that dragon priest might just be her pants.
Would you fine folks care to recommend a good path for her to go down towards building herself a dragon priest deck?
DID SOMEONE SAY DRAGON PRIEST?!
Here is the thing with a lot of the ultra refined Dragon Priest decks: they have a loooot of epics. And sometimes multiple legendaries. Here are some more basic lists she can start with and if she super loves it, more expensivo ones she can craft!
This is what I could consider the "core" cards of Dragon Priest. The Book Wyrms are debatable (e.g. Sensational's legend list cut them) but everything else should be a 2-of in basically any Dragon Priest list. In particular, making a Dragon Priest list without Drakonid Operatives and Netherspite Historians will rarely be successful.
Here is a 1st pass at a full list designed to be cheap on dust but still effective. It's maybe not as value oriented as most Dragon Priest lists, but it should keep up pretty well on board and it consists largely of Common and Basic cards. The Netherspites and Operatives should still afford a solid late game value to this deck.
Now we start to look a little more like the lists on the ladder. Twilight Drakes come in as your super value 4 drop, and Tar Creepers replace Sen'jin Shieldmastas because they're kinda just better.
Our first epics! Dragonfire Potion is so very incredible in this deck. Primordial Drake, which is in like basically every late game list these days, rears its head as a 1of. Faerie Dragon is gone, because beyond being a cheap dragon it's not a great card for this list.
Another key epic appears: Shadow Visions. Holy SHIT what a card. This will be a 2-of in every Priest deck until it rotates in 2 years, I guarantee you. A second Primordial Drake comes in to help secure the late game.
This is the list I run, full of epics with a legendary as well. Sensational's list may be better for the current ladder, but you can see they're broadly similar except for the Book Wyrms and Gluttonous Ooze. Legendaries are definitely debatable and can be cut, but pretty much all of those epics you'll want as 2ofs for a Dragon Priest list.
I hope that helped! Netherspite Historian and Priest of the Feast being Karazhan is unfortunate, but those are core cards for this list (and PotF is in almost every Priest list as well, that card's bonkers good).
My Dragon Priest is fairly similar. I think my major changes are Curious Glimmerroot 1x, acidic ooze 1x, Gluttonous ooze 1x, and alexstraxza. The oozes for early weapon or medivh value, alex just to push health totals down if I need it.
Greetings Starfighter! You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada.
spoiled cuz people don't like it when i gush about other digital card games here even when my point is "god why can't hearthstone do this"
so eternal's second set is coming out in a bit, right? and as a pre-release event, they're running basically a heroic tavern brawl this weekend. you HAVE to build a deck with one of the 5 colour pairs the expansion is focused on, which is tricky because there's not many two-colour cards for those pairs, so it's a brawl that inherently encourages off-meta decks. then once you start the brawl, four cards from the new set are shuffled into the deck you made.
but on top of that, the prize payout is this: it costs the price of 4 boosters to enter, and for going 0-3, you will get...4 boosters from the next set. 4 wins goes up to 5, and 7 goes up to 7
it's literally just a celebration gold dump ahead of time and it's so satisfying! i'm super pumped about this now! i'm gonna wind up giving them money!
gimme something cool like that blizzard, jeesus!
I don't know if Blizzard devs ever think like this or if they have higher ups that are telling them not to do cool things like that.
i think it's completely fair to say that no matter how passionate an individual blizzard developer is, blizzard the company is so large that they have a department of people who determine pricing
My way for testing if something is a token is it fizzles and dies if it is bounced back to your hand. According to the bounce test, there are no tokens in Hearthstone, just mini minions.
I have played too much mtg though so my thoughts on this might be a bit biased.
@Dibby - 5-1 (and the one loss was a very narrow garbage loss) with your v1.1 Druid deck so far this morning. I had resisted crafting the second Living Mana for my other Druid decks, but you convinced me to do it - and I'm glad I did.
The Un'goro meta is really good right now, because virtually everything is kept in check by something. The current T1 decks on ladder are Burn Mage, Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, Pirate Warrior, Freeze Mage, and Mid-range Paladin. And then playing spoiler you have Jade Druid, Secret Mage, Priest decks, Miracle Rogue, and Taunt Warrior.
Burn Mage is favorable towards Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, Freeze Mage, and is unfavorable to Pirate Warrior and Mid-range Paladin. It's also unfavorable against by Priests and Jade Druids.
Token Shaman is favorable towards Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Mid-range Paladin, and is unfavorable to Burn Mage and Freeze Mage. It's also unfavorable towards Dragon Priest and Quest Warrior.
Aggro Druid is favorable towards Quest Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Mid-range Paladin, and is unfavorable to Burn Mage, Token Shaman and Freeze Mage. It also is unfavorable towards Priests and Quest Warrior.
Quest Rogue is favorable towards none of the tier 1 ladder decks, but it's very favorable against Jade Druid, Control Paladin, Priests, Miracle Rogue, Midrange Shaman, and Taunt Warrior. It's pretty much the key to the meta right now - it keeps midrange and control deck numbers in check.
Pirate Warrior is favorable towards Burn Mage, Quest Rogue, Freeze Mage, and Mid-Range Paladin, and is unfavorable to Token Druid and Token Shaman. It's also not great against Jade, Midrange Hunter, and Control Paladin, but otherwise does very well against everything.
Freeze Mage is favorable towards Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, is pretty much even with Midrange Paladin, and is unfavorable towards Burn Mage and Pirate Warrior.
Mid-range Paladin is favorable against Burn Mage and Quest Rogue, is pretty much even with Freeze Mage, and is unfavorable towards Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Pirate Warrior. It stomps all over Jade Druid and Priest decks though.
And it changes every week! Burn Mage is adding cards like Harrison Jones to deal with weapons, pirates are playing with Eater of Secrets, and everyone has crabs.
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Dibby - 5-1 (and the one loss was a very narrow garbage loss) with your v1.1 Druid deck so far this morning. I had resisted crafting the second Living Mana for my other Druid decks, but you convinced me to do it - and I'm glad I did.
Hell, dude. I convinced MYSELF to craft BOTH of them. I didn't have Living Mana, period, but I went out on a limb (EHHHHH??? GET IT??????) and decided to take the plunge cause I personally saw how BUSTED that card is, having been used against me multiple times.
And then later when swapping to 1.1 I crafted the 2nd Bittertide, that's how confident I was in the deck's ability to perform. I could've even just done one, but I knew deep down two was the way to go.
I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
I queue as Hunter on my F2P account, come up against a Dragon Priest. It's a slightly unfavorable matchup, especially since my F2P deck is more "cheap" than "optimized." I end up playing a turn one Timber Wolf. My opponent coins into Netherspite Historian. I dropped a Scavenging Hyena and ran the wolf into the historian. 4/3 Hyena, yay. Over the next few turns, I draw into things like Kindly Grandmother and Golakka Crawler, and then don't play them, because I don't want to see Potion of Madness. I try to keep my board at 4 attack power to prevent Shadow Word: Pain or Death issues, and I don't play anything that could be taken with Potion of Madness (staring sadly at a Kindly Grandmother in hand from turn 2 onward).
I played well, made good decisions, never overextended, and was ready to reload the board (albeit, with minions that could be stolen) if the Priest drops a Dragonfire Potion. There's no Dragonfire Potion, and I win! And then I get a friend request.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
I mean yeah, it's not a finisher.
It's a 5 mana 8/8. It's Fel Reaver.
And just like how you didn't care that Fel Reaver was discarding cards, you also don't care if you're taking damage from Bittertide Hydra; because you're smacking them in the face for 8 damage each turn.
It puts your opponent on a clock. You're telling them, deal with this right now or you will lose the game.
It's like a worse Flamewreathed Faceless, basically. But it's still good and still worth running, especially in Druid wherein you have Innervate. It's won me games, it has also lost me games. Against certain classes, like Mage, it's not a good idea to play it out, for example. But every other time it's performed admirably and the self-damage almost never matters.
I queue as Hunter on my F2P account, come up against a Dragon Priest. It's a slightly unfavorable matchup, especially since my F2P deck is more "cheap" than "optimized." I end up playing a turn one Timber Wolf. My opponent coins into Netherspite Historian. I dropped a Scavenging Hyena and ran the wolf into the historian. 4/3 Hyena, yay. Over the next few turns, I draw into things like Kindly Grandmother and Golakka Crawler, and then don't play them, because I don't want to see Potion of Madness. I try to keep my board at 4 attack power to prevent Shadow Word: Pain or Death issues, and I don't play anything that could be taken with Potion of Madness (staring sadly at a Kindly Grandmother in hand from turn 2 onward).
I played well, made good decisions, never overextended, and was ready to reload the board (albeit, with minions that could be stolen) if the Priest drops a Dragonfire Potion. There's no Dragonfire Potion, and I win! And then I get a friend request.
That was the best.
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If you see a ton of quest Mage on the ladder this week, it's Disguised Toast's fault.
Dog was also playing it, but Toast is probably more of a meme-setter.
Not sure how well they'll do though. Eater of Secrets is super common in the 10-15 range from what I've seen.
Toast and Thijs playing.
The casters are talking about burritos.
They're the same thing, you fuzzy little sea mammal you.
There is no difference?
Maybe I'm also confused...
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Like how they refer to Aggro Druid as "Token Druid" even though historically Token Druid has been an entirely different deck.
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Current day aggro druid really shouldn't be called token druid. There aren't any tokens in it! Living Mana is the only card in the deck that creates "tokens", and it's ... I dunno, those are "normal" tokens anyways.
Token Shaman does legitimately have tokens though: The Dopplegangster buddies are actually tokens, since they're created via battlecry. Jade Golems are also tokens. The Murloc totem creates tokens. And Maelstrom Portal's random 1-drop is a token. That's way more tokens than in token Druid! That's also more cards than involved in the Evolve combo.
On a side note: is there anything to be done about Dopplegangster & Evolve? It seems like such a BS uncounterable 2-card combo.
yeah
be me and get nothing but moat lurkers and kidnappers
for like 3 games in a fuckin' row
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Why is Sargeras hanging out with Demons? If Demons are his enemies, why does he have Demon underlings?
Because they're very efficient killers.
Also he's insane.
Don't they run that 1-3 spider that spawns a 1-3 spider?
Or has that been optimized already?
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I thought Sargeras's deal was that he wanted to stop the Void Lords, and needed a universe united under the Burning Legion to do that.
specifically the issue is that the way that the Void Lords win is by corrupting Titans that have yet to be born
Sargeras determined that instead of Titans fighting an endless war, fuck it, nihilism, and killed all the other Titans
he is constantly trying to destroy Azeroth with the Legion because Azeroth itself is a baby Titan
also, firefly arguably generates a token and also some lists run eggnapper
Wow, I've done a lot of wiki reading on this and never found that tidbit.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Azeroth_(titan)
Firefly doesn't generate a token. It puts another card in your hand!
I was just using the latest Vicious Syndicate deck lists for easy lookup. I've certainly seen the 2/1 Battlecry add a 1/1 Murlocs too in Druid token decks.
It's a card that represents a token, tho. Remember, this isn't MTG, tokens are also cards--a treant gets sapped, bam, you got a 2/2 token in your hand.
It's not summoned into play. It goes into your hand, and has to be played out with another mana cost.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
but on top of that, the prize payout is this: it costs the price of 4 boosters to enter, and for going 0-3, you will get...4 boosters from the next set. 4 wins goes up to 5, and 7 goes up to 7
it's literally just a celebration gold dump ahead of time and it's so satisfying! i'm super pumped about this now! i'm gonna wind up giving them money!
gimme something cool like that blizzard, jeesus!
I don't know if Blizzard devs ever think like this or if they have higher ups that are telling them not to do cool things like that.
My Dragon Priest is fairly similar. I think my major changes are Curious Glimmerroot 1x, acidic ooze 1x, Gluttonous ooze 1x, and alexstraxza. The oozes for early weapon or medivh value, alex just to push health totals down if I need it.
i think it's completely fair to say that no matter how passionate an individual blizzard developer is, blizzard the company is so large that they have a department of people who determine pricing
I have played too much mtg though so my thoughts on this might be a bit biased.
The Un'goro meta is really good right now, because virtually everything is kept in check by something. The current T1 decks on ladder are Burn Mage, Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, Pirate Warrior, Freeze Mage, and Mid-range Paladin. And then playing spoiler you have Jade Druid, Secret Mage, Priest decks, Miracle Rogue, and Taunt Warrior.
Burn Mage is favorable towards Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, Freeze Mage, and is unfavorable to Pirate Warrior and Mid-range Paladin. It's also unfavorable against by Priests and Jade Druids.
Token Shaman is favorable towards Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Mid-range Paladin, and is unfavorable to Burn Mage and Freeze Mage. It's also unfavorable towards Dragon Priest and Quest Warrior.
Aggro Druid is favorable towards Quest Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Mid-range Paladin, and is unfavorable to Burn Mage, Token Shaman and Freeze Mage. It also is unfavorable towards Priests and Quest Warrior.
Quest Rogue is favorable towards none of the tier 1 ladder decks, but it's very favorable against Jade Druid, Control Paladin, Priests, Miracle Rogue, Midrange Shaman, and Taunt Warrior. It's pretty much the key to the meta right now - it keeps midrange and control deck numbers in check.
Pirate Warrior is favorable towards Burn Mage, Quest Rogue, Freeze Mage, and Mid-Range Paladin, and is unfavorable to Token Druid and Token Shaman. It's also not great against Jade, Midrange Hunter, and Control Paladin, but otherwise does very well against everything.
Freeze Mage is favorable towards Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Quest Rogue, is pretty much even with Midrange Paladin, and is unfavorable towards Burn Mage and Pirate Warrior.
Mid-range Paladin is favorable against Burn Mage and Quest Rogue, is pretty much even with Freeze Mage, and is unfavorable towards Token Shaman, Aggro Druid, Pirate Warrior. It stomps all over Jade Druid and Priest decks though.
And it changes every week! Burn Mage is adding cards like Harrison Jones to deal with weapons, pirates are playing with Eater of Secrets, and everyone has crabs.
Hell, dude. I convinced MYSELF to craft BOTH of them. I didn't have Living Mana, period, but I went out on a limb (EHHHHH??? GET IT??????) and decided to take the plunge cause I personally saw how BUSTED that card is, having been used against me multiple times.
And then later when swapping to 1.1 I crafted the 2nd Bittertide, that's how confident I was in the deck's ability to perform. I could've even just done one, but I knew deep down two was the way to go.
Battle.net Tag: Dibby#1582
I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
On a completely different note: delicious salt.
I queue as Hunter on my F2P account, come up against a Dragon Priest. It's a slightly unfavorable matchup, especially since my F2P deck is more "cheap" than "optimized." I end up playing a turn one Timber Wolf. My opponent coins into Netherspite Historian. I dropped a Scavenging Hyena and ran the wolf into the historian. 4/3 Hyena, yay. Over the next few turns, I draw into things like Kindly Grandmother and Golakka Crawler, and then don't play them, because I don't want to see Potion of Madness. I try to keep my board at 4 attack power to prevent Shadow Word: Pain or Death issues, and I don't play anything that could be taken with Potion of Madness (staring sadly at a Kindly Grandmother in hand from turn 2 onward).
I played well, made good decisions, never overextended, and was ready to reload the board (albeit, with minions that could be stolen) if the Priest drops a Dragonfire Potion. There's no Dragonfire Potion, and I win! And then I get a friend request.
I mean yeah, it's not a finisher.
It's a 5 mana 8/8. It's Fel Reaver.
And just like how you didn't care that Fel Reaver was discarding cards, you also don't care if you're taking damage from Bittertide Hydra; because you're smacking them in the face for 8 damage each turn.
It puts your opponent on a clock. You're telling them, deal with this right now or you will lose the game.
It's like a worse Flamewreathed Faceless, basically. But it's still good and still worth running, especially in Druid wherein you have Innervate. It's won me games, it has also lost me games. Against certain classes, like Mage, it's not a good idea to play it out, for example. But every other time it's performed admirably and the self-damage almost never matters.
Battle.net Tag: Dibby#1582
That was the best.
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