I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
I mean yeah, it's not a finisher.
It's a 5 mana 8/8. It's Fel Reaver.
And just like how you didn't care that Fel Reaver was discarding cards, you also don't care if you're taking damage from Bittertide Hydra; because you're smacking them in the face for 8 damage each turn.
It puts your opponent on a clock. You're telling them, deal with this right now or you will lose the game.
It's like a worse Flamewreathed Faceless, basically. But it's still good and still worth running, especially in Druid wherein you have Innervate. It's won me games, it has also lost me games. Against certain classes, like Mage, it's not a good idea to play it out, for example. But every other time it's performed admirably and the self-damage almost never matters.
It's also pretty good in silence priest and aggro hunter and maybe mid-range hunter.
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I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
The fact that this firmly non-competitive card is in the top 3 win rates makes the point that naked statistics are worthless far better than the long post I was going to write.
I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
I mean yeah, it's not a finisher.
It's a 5 mana 8/8. It's Fel Reaver.
And just like how you didn't care that Fel Reaver was discarding cards, you also don't care if you're taking damage from Bittertide Hydra; because you're smacking them in the face for 8 damage each turn.
It puts your opponent on a clock. You're telling them, deal with this right now or you will lose the game.
It's like a worse Flamewreathed Faceless, basically. But it's still good and still worth running, especially in Druid wherein you have Innervate. It's won me games, it has also lost me games. Against certain classes, like Mage, it's not a good idea to play it out, for example. But every other time it's performed admirably and the self-damage almost never matters.
It's a terrible clock. By turn five, most decks can deal with an 8/8 most of the time, and many of them can punish a deck for trying to play that particular clock. It's a win-more card that throws the game.
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I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
I mean yeah, it's not a finisher.
It's a 5 mana 8/8. It's Fel Reaver.
And just like how you didn't care that Fel Reaver was discarding cards, you also don't care if you're taking damage from Bittertide Hydra; because you're smacking them in the face for 8 damage each turn.
It puts your opponent on a clock. You're telling them, deal with this right now or you will lose the game.
It's like a worse Flamewreathed Faceless, basically. But it's still good and still worth running, especially in Druid wherein you have Innervate. It's won me games, it has also lost me games. Against certain classes, like Mage, it's not a good idea to play it out, for example. But every other time it's performed admirably and the self-damage almost never matters.
It's a terrible clock. By turn five, most decks can deal with an 8/8 most of the time, and many of them can punish a deck for trying to play that particular clock. It's a win-more card that throws the game.
I use it to some success in my mid-range hunter, but use has to be carefully thought through. Against some opponents and boards it's downright suicidal, other times it can be the difference in a tight match or just unanswerable.
I don't know, man. I hear the argument against it, but Bittertide did win me a couple of games. It's not a Turn 5 clock if you coin and innervate it out on Turn 3 (as I did). Need more testing to be sure.
It's less of a "clock" and more of a way to get you that much closer to lethal. Even if it swings face once, that's usually all you need. It does x amount of damage early on, which will allow you to make the push for lethal with board later on.
And yknow, if it does get removed... well, that's fine too. Like, removing Bittertide still costs the opponent resources, whether that's a removal spell or trading out their board.
Also sometimes you put your opponent in an unfavorable position with it. Let's say I have a pretty hefty board, and my Priest opponent is coming up on Turn 6 next turn. I play Hydra, which means they now have a decision to make; Either SW:D the Hydra, or Dragonfire my board. Regardless of the outcome, I can still push damage on them next turn.
It's less of a "clock" and more of a way to get you that much closer to lethal. Even if it swings face once, that's usually all you need. It does x amount of damage early on, which will allow you to make the push for lethal with board later on.
And yknow, if it does get removed... well, that's fine too. Like, removing Bittertide still costs the opponent resources, whether that's a removal spell or trading out their board.
Also sometimes you put your opponent in an unfavorable position with it. Let's say I have a pretty hefty board, and my Priest opponent is coming up on Turn 6 next turn. I play Hydra, which means they now have a decision to make; Either SW:D the Hydra, or Dragonfire my board. Regardless of the outcome, I can still push damage on them next turn.
Or do what I just did and swing the Curious Glimmeroot at the Hydra before dropping Dragonfire Potion.
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Bittertide Hydra seems like the ur-example of a card that requires a very good knowledge of the game and meta. Plus paying attention. (I would be way better at this game if not for my ability to recognize my dumb move right after I make it.)
You need to know when to play it. Doing damage to face and eating removal is a good outcome, but some decks and classes can really hurt you for playing it.
Perhaps that is the biggest issue. It might have too many matches were it's a dead card.
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It's less of a "clock" and more of a way to get you that much closer to lethal. Even if it swings face once, that's usually all you need. It does x amount of damage early on, which will allow you to make the push for lethal with board later on.
And yknow, if it does get removed... well, that's fine too. Like, removing Bittertide still costs the opponent resources, whether that's a removal spell or trading out their board.
Also sometimes you put your opponent in an unfavorable position with it. Let's say I have a pretty hefty board, and my Priest opponent is coming up on Turn 6 next turn. I play Hydra, which means they now have a decision to make; Either SW:D the Hydra, or Dragonfire my board. Regardless of the outcome, I can still push damage on them next turn.
Or do what I just did and swing the Curious Glimmeroot at the Hydra before dropping Dragonfire Potion.
Ok but playing a Hydra when the opponent has minions on board without a taunt to protect yourself and they have that kind of removal is dumb.
It's less of a "clock" and more of a way to get you that much closer to lethal. Even if it swings face once, that's usually all you need. It does x amount of damage early on, which will allow you to make the push for lethal with board later on.
And yknow, if it does get removed... well, that's fine too. Like, removing Bittertide still costs the opponent resources, whether that's a removal spell or trading out their board.
Also sometimes you put your opponent in an unfavorable position with it. Let's say I have a pretty hefty board, and my Priest opponent is coming up on Turn 6 next turn. I play Hydra, which means they now have a decision to make; Either SW:D the Hydra, or Dragonfire my board. Regardless of the outcome, I can still push damage on them next turn.
Or do what I just did and swing the Curious Glimmeroot at the Hydra before dropping Dragonfire Potion.
Ok but playing a Hydra when the opponent has minions on board without a taunt to protect yourself and they have that kind of removal is dumb.
And yet, opponents have a very inconvenient habit of playing minions.
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I'm really not a fan of Bittertide Hydra. Per hsreplay.net, it has a 47.4% win rate when played (per my own experience being on the receiving end, it has a 5% win rate when played, and almost all of those have been in games that were already well in hand). The card is basically a finisher, and when you look at other finishers on HS Replay, it pales in comparison.
The three cards with the highest win rate are Pyroblast, Bloodlust and Dinosize. All of which put out substantial amounts of damage and serve as finishers. Ysera and N'Zoth, the Corruptor come next. In those cases, they're powerful cards that tend to get played after control has been established, and act to solidify control or to lead to big swings on subsequent turns. Jade Idol comes next; if it's getting played, it's usually a sign that the Jade Druid has an Auctioneer out and is building towards end game. The rest of the list tends to follow the same pattern: the cards with the highest win rate are either those that win a game straight up (Bloodlust), those that provide a huge board advantage that's very difficult to overcome (Ysera), and those that indicate that the deck has hit its money cards and is doing what it's designed to do (Jade Idol, and to some extent N'Zoth).
Bittertide Hydra is not such a card. It's not a very good finisher; lacking Charge, it never takes the other side by surprise, and allows them a turn to prepare for it. It's not a good card for locking down control of the game, and it in fact can quickly result in the game swinging badly against the person who played it. And it's not like Jade Idol, where it forms a critical part of the deck's engine. In my opinion, it's a bad card that loses games.
The fact that this firmly non-competitive card is in the top 3 win rates makes the point that naked statistics are worthless far better than the long post I was going to write.
Not really. It can be a weakness of an otherwise strong deck.
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Haha, I threw together a deck for the murloc quest consisting of all the murlocs I had and a couple of other paladin cards (draw mostly). I figured I just try to play as many murlocs as I could each game and lose.
Haha, I threw together a deck for the murloc quest consisting of all the murlocs I had and a couple of other paladin cards (draw mostly). I figured I just try to play as many murlocs as I could each game and lose.
Went 3-0 and completed the quest.
Well, that's standard basically Murloc Paladin.
Challenge mode is doing it in a Hunter deck. Throw in Infest as a reload method, the Curator to get the Gentle Megasaurs, and a dragon or two (likely Deathwing and/or Ysera) to draw off of the Curators. . .
I could see it working.
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Would either Goat or 3clipse be free to coach me on their brands of Priest on Monday night?
I probably can, but first you've got to decide what style of Control Priest you'd want to learn, there's so many different ways to build it now. (Note: Unfinished deck means Elise is missing, don't have her yet.)
Do you want the pretty standard Medivh lists people are playing?
Or my brainchild, the Pint-Size Potion based lists?
Heavy value dragons?
An Auchenai/Embrace based list?
Maybe even taking a stab at Highlander Priest?
Disclaimer: I do not mean to imply that any of these decks are good. But they're fun, and you can always improve your play, even with a bad deck.
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I've been playing the Dragon one a bit just now and already made some changes (all those decklists were made from scratch for that post), namely -1 thoughtsteal -1 cleric -2 radiant elemental +1 gluttonous ooze +1 greater healing potion +2 doomsayer. Also just beat the mirror when I let them untap with Lyra and Radiant Elemental, so that's neat.
She's a pretty safe craft, honestly. She's ridiculously high value.
Dragon Priest lists can function fine without Ysera (just run all the other value non-leggo Draggos instead), but Elise is just ridiculous in that list. Can fish the pack out with Shadow Visions, which is insane.
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@Yilias If you want to work on dragon priest specifically on Monday night I'll be around starting ~9:00 pm EST ish. Control Priest I have a decent handle on but Das Escapade Rumulant is probably better for that.
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token evolve/devolve shaman is hella fun
those poor quests priests with nzoth finishers
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Nozdormu is the worst designed card in the game simply for the fact that it overly, unfairly punishes mobile players more than any other single card. That thing needs to be removed or changed to be something not retarded based on your platform.
@Yilias If you want to work on dragon priest specifically on Monday night I'll be around starting ~9:00 pm EST ish. Control Priest I have a decent handle on but Das Escapade Rumulant is probably better for that.
I'd be happy to work with either of you. Looking at the thing I might even be able to do Goat at 8 and then you at like 9:30.
I managed to eek out a victory with 10hp remaining. Got a lucky Evolve off the top after playing naked Dopplegansters. Really close game. Man, all the Evolving I've done and never had that happen before. With any luck I won't see it again anytime soon.
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Today on "hey, this rogue didn't play quest!" In fact, they played a turn 1 patches.
Why is this game so fucking bad. And this was their second questing, they decided not to use that counterfeit coin in hand to make it so my Shellshifter could kill the first one!
Did anyone catch croatia's warlock in global games?
Violet illusionist was so amazing in that deck.
- free taps
- blew up eye for an eye
- free high mana spells through bloodbloom
- unlicenced apothecary/wrathguard/chittering tunneler protection
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just had an amusing win vs a burn mage
his medivh atiesh gave him an unlicensed apothecary, guy didn't wait to see what had spawned and played 2 mana wyrms + thalnos immediately after, doming himself for 15 and dying instantly
the frantic hovering over the card as i emoted 'thankyou' was gold
I've been playing some taunt warrior the past few days to inch a little closer to that golden portrait. Seems fairly effective (up R9/5*) but I think it really shows why I fell off Ungoro so quickly - quests are really boring. Doubt I have anything new to add to the dialogue after 3 months but yeah.
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It's also pretty good in silence priest and aggro hunter and maybe mid-range hunter.
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The fact that this firmly non-competitive card is in the top 3 win rates makes the point that naked statistics are worthless far better than the long post I was going to write.
It's a terrible clock. By turn five, most decks can deal with an 8/8 most of the time, and many of them can punish a deck for trying to play that particular clock. It's a win-more card that throws the game.
I use it to some success in my mid-range hunter, but use has to be carefully thought through. Against some opponents and boards it's downright suicidal, other times it can be the difference in a tight match or just unanswerable.
It's less of a "clock" and more of a way to get you that much closer to lethal. Even if it swings face once, that's usually all you need. It does x amount of damage early on, which will allow you to make the push for lethal with board later on.
And yknow, if it does get removed... well, that's fine too. Like, removing Bittertide still costs the opponent resources, whether that's a removal spell or trading out their board.
Also sometimes you put your opponent in an unfavorable position with it. Let's say I have a pretty hefty board, and my Priest opponent is coming up on Turn 6 next turn. I play Hydra, which means they now have a decision to make; Either SW:D the Hydra, or Dragonfire my board. Regardless of the outcome, I can still push damage on them next turn.
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Or do what I just did and swing the Curious Glimmeroot at the Hydra before dropping Dragonfire Potion.
You need to know when to play it. Doing damage to face and eating removal is a good outcome, but some decks and classes can really hurt you for playing it.
Perhaps that is the biggest issue. It might have too many matches were it's a dead card.
Ok but playing a Hydra when the opponent has minions on board without a taunt to protect yourself and they have that kind of removal is dumb.
And yet, opponents have a very inconvenient habit of playing minions.
Not really. It can be a weakness of an otherwise strong deck.
Went 3-0 and completed the quest.
Well, that's standard basically Murloc Paladin.
Challenge mode is doing it in a Hunter deck. Throw in Infest as a reload method, the Curator to get the Gentle Megasaurs, and a dragon or two (likely Deathwing and/or Ysera) to draw off of the Curators. . .
I could see it working.
I probably can, but first you've got to decide what style of Control Priest you'd want to learn, there's so many different ways to build it now. (Note: Unfinished deck means Elise is missing, don't have her yet.)
Do you want the pretty standard Medivh lists people are playing?
Or my brainchild, the Pint-Size Potion based lists?
Heavy value dragons?
An Auchenai/Embrace based list?
Maybe even taking a stab at Highlander Priest?
Disclaimer: I do not mean to imply that any of these decks are good. But they're fun, and you can always improve your play, even with a bad deck.
might use the gold one to finally craft a ysera, haven't decided
is deathrattle priest really played anymore? I haven't seen many on the ladder
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Nope.
I'm also getting good work out of Ysera right now fwiw.
it's either that or elise I think, but I'm kinda hesitant to craft leggos that'll eventually rotate out of standard
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
She's a pretty safe craft, honestly. She's ridiculously high value.
Dragon Priest lists can function fine without Ysera (just run all the other value non-leggo Draggos instead), but Elise is just ridiculous in that list. Can fish the pack out with Shadow Visions, which is insane.
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I made a gold kalimos to start so at least that's something.
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those poor quests priests with nzoth finishers
no i get it i also want to forget about the last six months
I'd be happy to work with either of you. Looking at the thing I might even be able to do Goat at 8 and then you at like 9:30.
I managed to eek out a victory with 10hp remaining. Got a lucky Evolve off the top after playing naked Dopplegansters. Really close game. Man, all the Evolving I've done and never had that happen before. With any luck I won't see it again anytime soon.
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Violet illusionist was so amazing in that deck.
- free taps
- blew up eye for an eye
- free high mana spells through bloodbloom
- unlicenced apothecary/wrathguard/chittering tunneler protection
his medivh atiesh gave him an unlicensed apothecary, guy didn't wait to see what had spawned and played 2 mana wyrms + thalnos immediately after, doming himself for 15 and dying instantly
the frantic hovering over the card as i emoted 'thankyou' was gold
Presumably also cho'gall value
nuts
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Were you around for when that guy piloted shredders all the time?
He was the best at piloting shredders.
Him and Millhouse Manastorm.
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Also new Elise is much too good.