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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hell, Tartakovsky already put part of episode three to shame. He got to introduce General Grievous before the movie did, and he was portrayed as an intimidating, monstrous Jedi-killer. I mean, just look at this:



    And then when Lucas used him in the movie, he was just another setpiece. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't "holy shit" like how Tartakovsky used him.

    This is a great scene but there's more to how Tartakovsky used Grievous than that, and it's way better than Lucas' use of him.

    After this scene there is a bit where Dooku is dueling Grievous, training him, and he kinda clowns on him. But he does so primarily because he uses the force in clever ways and is able to fend off Grevious' barrage.

    There was kind of a set rule in the shorts for how Grievous v. Jedi went. Grievous had the upper hand as long as he A: kept the Jedi confused/afraid and B: kept an unrelenting attack. But if the Jedi were able to use their force powers on him and land a hit, there wasn't much Grievous could do about that. Note in that clip there: Grievous is dodging force pushes/crushes that are fairly predictable to see. When he fights against dooku, Dooku just fuckin pulls his cloak from behind him and trips him up. And the entire time during the Coruscant chase it's a battle to land a force push/crush on Grievous while fending him off. And the second Mace does this, Grievous goes into full retreat because his shit is fucked.

    Lucas use of Grievous is to get clowned on by a dingus, have him immediately lose four hands, and then punch a dumb droid while going "CURSE YOU JEDIIIIIIIIIIII"

    Wasn't it in a later Tartakovsky short that Mace Windu crushes Grevious's chest, leading to the breathing problems and what-not that make him be clowned on all through RotS?

    Nope! Because that got retconned! In the canon Lucas made Grievous has the cough throughout the clone war and gets bodied by padawans that struggle to beat non trained dinguses with lightsabers.

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  • destroyah87destroyah87 Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hell, Tartakovsky already put part of episode three to shame. He got to introduce General Grievous before the movie did, and he was portrayed as an intimidating, monstrous Jedi-killer. I mean, just look at this:



    And then when Lucas used him in the movie, he was just another setpiece. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't "holy shit" like how Tartakovsky used him.

    This is a great scene but there's more to how Tartakovsky used Grievous than that, and it's way better than Lucas' use of him.

    After this scene there is a bit where Dooku is dueling Grievous, training him, and he kinda clowns on him. But he does so primarily because he uses the force in clever ways and is able to fend off Grevious' barrage.

    There was kind of a set rule in the shorts for how Grievous v. Jedi went. Grievous had the upper hand as long as he A: kept the Jedi confused/afraid and B: kept an unrelenting attack. But if the Jedi were able to use their force powers on him and land a hit, there wasn't much Grievous could do about that. Note in that clip there: Grievous is dodging force pushes/crushes that are fairly predictable to see. When he fights against dooku, Dooku just fuckin pulls his cloak from behind him and trips him up. And the entire time during the Coruscant chase it's a battle to land a force push/crush on Grievous while fending him off. And the second Mace does this, Grievous goes into full retreat because his shit is fucked.

    Lucas use of Grievous is to get clowned on by a dingus, have him immediately lose four hands, and then punch a dumb droid while going "CURSE YOU JEDIIIIIIIIIIII"

    Wasn't it in a later Tartakovsky short that Mace Windu crushes Grevious's chest, leading to the breathing problems and what-not that make him be clowned on all through RotS?

    Nope! Because that got retconned! In the canon Lucas made Grievous has the cough throughout the clone war and gets bodied by padawans that struggle to beat non trained dinguses with lightsabers.

    Ugh, it's stuff like this that shows why I never listened to anything George Lucas had to say on Star Wars that wasn't in a movie he made. ... and sometimes not even then.

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury A lovely pixel artist and gamecrafter [They/Them]Registered User regular
    notya wrote: »
    Does anyone else just stop reading the second people start complaining about "Tumblr/Calarts style"?

    *raises hand*

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  • HandkorHandkor Registered User regular
    edited January 13
    notya wrote: »
    Does anyone else just stop reading the second people start complaining about "Tumblr/Calarts style"?

    *raises hand*

    The stylistics choice is really not the problem though, TTG the characters are fun, these characterizations are weird.

    In other new stuff, I was only able to catch the first couple of minutes of Owl House and way to sell you the lead character, right away I want to watch her adventures.

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury A lovely pixel artist and gamecrafter [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Handkor wrote: »
    notya wrote: »
    Does anyone else just stop reading the second people start complaining about "Tumblr/Calarts style"?

    *raises hand*

    The stylistics choice is really not the problem though, TTG the characters are fun, these characterizations are weird.

    In other new stuff I was only able to catch the first couple of minutes of Owl House and way to sell you the lead character, right away I want to watch her adventures.

    ???

    I was just saying i'm tired of people using "calart / tumblr style" as a way to say "it looks bad".

    I thought the early looks at the Thundercats Roar cartoon looked charming and i find the whole "tumblr" as a negative descriptor extremely grating.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I didn't think he was at all denigrating the designs, just that the art style was basically a bunch of stereotyped ripoffs of other people's work.

  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hell, Tartakovsky already put part of episode three to shame. He got to introduce General Grievous before the movie did, and he was portrayed as an intimidating, monstrous Jedi-killer. I mean, just look at this:



    And then when Lucas used him in the movie, he was just another setpiece. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't "holy shit" like how Tartakovsky used him.

    This is a great scene but there's more to how Tartakovsky used Grievous than that, and it's way better than Lucas' use of him.

    After this scene there is a bit where Dooku is dueling Grievous, training him, and he kinda clowns on him. But he does so primarily because he uses the force in clever ways and is able to fend off Grevious' barrage.

    There was kind of a set rule in the shorts for how Grievous v. Jedi went. Grievous had the upper hand as long as he A: kept the Jedi confused/afraid and B: kept an unrelenting attack. But if the Jedi were able to use their force powers on him and land a hit, there wasn't much Grievous could do about that. Note in that clip there: Grievous is dodging force pushes/crushes that are fairly predictable to see. When he fights against dooku, Dooku just fuckin pulls his cloak from behind him and trips him up. And the entire time during the Coruscant chase it's a battle to land a force push/crush on Grievous while fending him off. And the second Mace does this, Grievous goes into full retreat because his shit is fucked.

    Lucas use of Grievous is to get clowned on by a dingus, have him immediately lose four hands, and then punch a dumb droid while going "CURSE YOU JEDIIIIIIIIIIII"

    Wasn't it in a later Tartakovsky short that Mace Windu crushes Grevious's chest, leading to the breathing problems and what-not that make him be clowned on all through RotS?

    Yeah it was the last one that was supposed to lead right into Revenge of the Sith

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    The chest damage/cough is more a coincidence than anything else, because there's a really really shitty Lucas story about how Grievous had the "cough" added at the last minute because (surprise!) Lucas thought it would be cool for a villain (because some member of the crew had a bad cough and Lucas heard it).

    But the confrontation with Windu is exactly what Dooku is talking about when he's training Grievous. Basically, if Grievous doesn't have an edge via terror or surprise, run the fuck away because he is not going to defeat a prepared Jedi in a straight fight. Case in point, the first time he runs across a Jedi that doesn't flip out, the Jedi wrecks him in about three seconds. Even against a Jedi where Grievous has the complete and total upper hand and has wiped out all his allies, that Jedi nearly turns things around before some Arc troopers show up and really turn things around.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    So Owlhouse.
    Its really good and there's some themes that obviously resonate with me as a nerd but also theres some LGBT themese as well. They straight up were gonna send her to a conversion camp! Yeah it was a " reality check "or whatever but the implications were clear there.

    Really interested to see where this goes



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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Speaking of things that got stealth-released, Disney's finally releasing The Legend of the Three Caballeros on Disney Plus.

    If that rings a bell, the show first showed up via the Disney Plus test run in the Philippines in 2018. And Disney still isn't making the tiniest of peeps about it. Which is bizarre, because the show is fan-damn-tastic. It's really well-animated, most of the jokes land, and it goes to some wild places. If that's not enough, Wayne Knight's in it, and Matt Chapman (Homestar Runner, Gravity Falls) worked on it. The first few minutes of the first episode are very "what the fuck am I watching," in a good way. According to Google the 13 episodes are coming out all this month, so check it out.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Also, CBR thought Thundercats Roar was fine, if you're curious what a review that doesn't rage about CalArts Style says.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hell, Tartakovsky already put part of episode three to shame. He got to introduce General Grievous before the movie did, and he was portrayed as an intimidating, monstrous Jedi-killer. I mean, just look at this:



    And then when Lucas used him in the movie, he was just another setpiece. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't "holy shit" like how Tartakovsky used him.

    This is a great scene but there's more to how Tartakovsky used Grievous than that, and it's way better than Lucas' use of him.

    After this scene there is a bit where Dooku is dueling Grievous, training him, and he kinda clowns on him. But he does so primarily because he uses the force in clever ways and is able to fend off Grevious' barrage.

    There was kind of a set rule in the shorts for how Grievous v. Jedi went. Grievous had the upper hand as long as he A: kept the Jedi confused/afraid and B: kept an unrelenting attack. But if the Jedi were able to use their force powers on him and land a hit, there wasn't much Grievous could do about that. Note in that clip there: Grievous is dodging force pushes/crushes that are fairly predictable to see. When he fights against dooku, Dooku just fuckin pulls his cloak from behind him and trips him up. And the entire time during the Coruscant chase it's a battle to land a force push/crush on Grievous while fending him off. And the second Mace does this, Grievous goes into full retreat because his shit is fucked.

    Lucas use of Grievous is to get clowned on by a dingus, have him immediately lose four hands, and then punch a dumb droid while going "CURSE YOU JEDIIIIIIIIIIII"

    Wasn't it in a later Tartakovsky short that Mace Windu crushes Grevious's chest, leading to the breathing problems and what-not that make him be clowned on all through RotS?

    It was Anakin who did the crushing, but yes.

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  • GONG-00GONG-00 Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hell, Tartakovsky already put part of episode three to shame. He got to introduce General Grievous before the movie did, and he was portrayed as an intimidating, monstrous Jedi-killer. I mean, just look at this:



    And then when Lucas used him in the movie, he was just another setpiece. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't "holy shit" like how Tartakovsky used him.

    This is a great scene but there's more to how Tartakovsky used Grievous than that, and it's way better than Lucas' use of him.

    After this scene there is a bit where Dooku is dueling Grievous, training him, and he kinda clowns on him. But he does so primarily because he uses the force in clever ways and is able to fend off Grevious' barrage.

    There was kind of a set rule in the shorts for how Grievous v. Jedi went. Grievous had the upper hand as long as he A: kept the Jedi confused/afraid and B: kept an unrelenting attack. But if the Jedi were able to use their force powers on him and land a hit, there wasn't much Grievous could do about that. Note in that clip there: Grievous is dodging force pushes/crushes that are fairly predictable to see. When he fights against dooku, Dooku just fuckin pulls his cloak from behind him and trips him up. And the entire time during the Coruscant chase it's a battle to land a force push/crush on Grievous while fending him off. And the second Mace does this, Grievous goes into full retreat because his shit is fucked.

    Lucas use of Grievous is to get clowned on by a dingus, have him immediately lose four hands, and then punch a dumb droid while going "CURSE YOU JEDIIIIIIIIIIII"

    Wasn't it in a later Tartakovsky short that Mace Windu crushes Grevious's chest, leading to the breathing problems and what-not that make him be clowned on all through RotS?

    It was Anakin who did the crushing, but yes.

    You sure about that? Anakin was off planet with Obi Wan at the time.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited January 13
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Also, CBR thought Thundercats Roar was fine, if you're curious what a review that doesn't rage about CalArts Style says.

    Am I the only one who remembers the shooting threat CalArts received right after this show was unveiled?

    Shooting threat at CalArts may have been over cartoon controversy
    While CalArts teaches a wide variety of visual and performance arts courses, it’s known for a very specific brand of animation. To a certain contingent of adult fans, it’s synonymous with the aesthetic of shows like Steven Universe. Some people detest this trend for stylized cartoon characters, and there’s a persistent belief that CalArts produced a generation of homogenous animators. The controversy recently reached a new height with the announcement of Cartoon Network’s ThunderCats reboot, which attracted an astounding amount of backlash from older fans.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    On top of the fact that "CalArts Style" as a slam is kinda silly, the term was coined by a hardcore underage sexual abuser, so maybe don't use it.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Dunno. It just seems very derivative. But I'm an old grump that grew up with Tartakovsky and then watched everybody go "let's draw like Spongebob, but at 1.5x speed" and now is "let's draw like Steven Universe". Riding on coattails for easy money on series that I would be very surprised if they make it past a season.

    That being said, is a cartoon for kids, don't take it so seriously. Grow up.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    My issue will always be that there is no modern Thundercat fanbase. Kids have no clue what it is and unlike say Ninja turtles the premise is very complicated and hard to follow so its not easy to just drop the characters onto a new universe

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I will never not be forever sad that the last show only got one season.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hell, Tartakovsky already put part of episode three to shame. He got to introduce General Grievous before the movie did, and he was portrayed as an intimidating, monstrous Jedi-killer. I mean, just look at this:



    And then when Lucas used him in the movie, he was just another setpiece. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't "holy shit" like how Tartakovsky used him.

    This is a great scene but there's more to how Tartakovsky used Grievous than that, and it's way better than Lucas' use of him.

    After this scene there is a bit where Dooku is dueling Grievous, training him, and he kinda clowns on him. But he does so primarily because he uses the force in clever ways and is able to fend off Grevious' barrage.

    There was kind of a set rule in the shorts for how Grievous v. Jedi went. Grievous had the upper hand as long as he A: kept the Jedi confused/afraid and B: kept an unrelenting attack. But if the Jedi were able to use their force powers on him and land a hit, there wasn't much Grievous could do about that. Note in that clip there: Grievous is dodging force pushes/crushes that are fairly predictable to see. When he fights against dooku, Dooku just fuckin pulls his cloak from behind him and trips him up. And the entire time during the Coruscant chase it's a battle to land a force push/crush on Grievous while fending him off. And the second Mace does this, Grievous goes into full retreat because his shit is fucked.

    Lucas use of Grievous is to get clowned on by a dingus, have him immediately lose four hands, and then punch a dumb droid while going "CURSE YOU JEDIIIIIIIIIIII"

    Wasn't it in a later Tartakovsky short that Mace Windu crushes Grevious's chest, leading to the breathing problems and what-not that make him be clowned on all through RotS?

    It was Anakin who did the crushing, but yes.

    You sure about that? Anakin was off planet with Obi Wan at the time.

    It was Mace.

    Anakin never meets Grievous until episode III

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    My issue will always be that there is no modern Thundercat fanbase. Kids have no clue what it is and unlike say Ninja turtles the premise is very complicated and hard to follow so its not easy to just drop the characters onto a new universe

    Thundercats doesn't need to be complicated. It can be distilled down to a few key pillars:

    Thundera was destoyed, and the Thundercats are believed to be the only survivors. They crash land on Third Earth. It's basically Superman's origin, but slightly expanded and altered.
    Third Earth is the home of Mumm-Ra, an ancient evil entity. Boom, there's your archvillain.
    The mutants can be anything. Mumm-Ra's lieutenants, a 3rd faction, whatever.

    If you want the show to be episodic, no further work is necessary. Adventures are about the Thundercats dealing with Mumm-Ra and/or the mutants. If you want it to be more serialized, well, there's enough in the premise to make it work, given the various hooks:

    Who or what caused Thundera's destruction?
    What's Mumm-Ra's deal, and will he ever be defeated once and for all?
    Ditto the mutants.
    Are there other Thundercat survivors?
    Will our band of heroes not only learn to survive on Third Earth, but thrive?

    Regarding characters, the broad strokes from before work, with the key being that it's a coming of age tale for Lion-O. The biggest question is Tygra - is he an older brother figure? Rival? Something else?

    I don't really see it being any more complicated than TMNT or, say, the X-Men. Stuff like the 1980s version of Lion-O being a child in an adult's body, or the political shenanigans of the 2011 series aren't what I would consider to be the core of the franchise. They can be drooped, modified, whatever.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

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    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

    Silverhawks needs the Netflix Voltron treatment.

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  • destroyah87destroyah87 Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

    I'd watch it.

    Silverhawks is a trip. I come down on the love side overall, but some of the terminology is really eye-rolling.

    "partly metal and partly real" being the most egregious. But Mon*Star is fun.

    The whole concept is so far out there that I can't help but like it. Also the theme song is great.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    I have a hard time caring much about the new Thundercats having a very different style and tone. The last Thundercats show being killed after one season despite being considered at least OK was a pretty good reason for taking the new one in a different direction. There are some cases where an actual major style change happened where I can see some more similar actually getting made, but this is not one of them.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

    Silverhawks needs the Netflix Voltron treatment.

    Arguably it'd be better than Voltron as they wouldnt have to basically sideline Voltron

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  • WinklebottomWinklebottom Registered User regular
    I just think it is too much, we want to make Teen Titans Go, but without the well known DC Characters the subversion would seem to have no audience.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

    Silverhawks needs the Netflix Voltron treatment.

    Arguably it'd be better than Voltron as they wouldnt have to basically sideline Voltron

    I don't think I follow? Netflix Voltron got 78 episodes and was generally really good.

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  • zekebeauzekebeau Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

    Silverhawks needs the Netflix Voltron treatment.

    Arguably it'd be better than Voltron as they wouldnt have to basically sideline Voltron

    I don't think I follow? Netflix Voltron got 78 episodes and was generally really good.

    He means the sideline of Voltron the robot, in favor of the great depth of character work. A lot less need for "huh, something is wrong with our win button"

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  • destroyah87destroyah87 Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    zekebeau wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I suspect the bigger issue is that the modern Thundercats fanbase isn't big enough to support another revival over, well, doing anything else.

    Clearly this is the time for Silverhawks to make their big comeback! Right? ....right?

    Ehh, forget it.

    Silverhawks needs the Netflix Voltron treatment.

    Arguably it'd be better than Voltron as they wouldnt have to basically sideline Voltron

    I don't think I follow? Netflix Voltron got 78 episodes and was generally really good.

    He means the sideline of Voltron the robot, in favor of the great depth of character work. A lot less need for "huh, something is wrong with our win button"

    Honestly, I've been enjoying the removal of Voltron as an instant win button the characters always rely on in the Netflix Volton series. Granted, I've still only watched seasons 1 and 2 at this point, but I've enjoyed it thus far.

    More character work and depth is better.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts on Netflix is delightful.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    I never had Thundercats or Voltron as a kid. As such, I often thought that Voltron was Thundercats, because there were robot cats, and 'Thundercat' sounds like something you would call a robot cat.

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    Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts on Netflix is delightful.

    Thank you, I saw it on Netflix and was wondering if it was one of Netflix's good animation shows or bad animation shows.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts on Netflix is delightful.

    The animation is just really great.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Yo, I was there when it came out. Thundercats was a 30 minute ad for toys. Same as Transformers and GI Joe. The new one looks shitty by comparison to my eyes, but well, I'm almost fucking 50 so I am pretty sure they don't give a shit what I think as they rightfully shouldn't. I guess if current kids like it, then that's cool, cause I am pretty kids don't know about the original. Too bad their Thundercats are totally shapeless, how will they ever discover furry porn? Poor little bastards. I think if you're mad about how they took a beloved advertisement from your childhood and retooled it as an advertisement for the current gen, well, fucking get over it?

    Angry old man cartoon rant begins here.

    Saturday mornings were amazing for years, holy balls we lost our minds when Dungeons and Dragons came out, then they started to transition from cartoons to shitty live action shows. Bugs Bunny was always on saturday or sunday afternoons, but everything else was hit or miss. Woody Woodpecker was kinda crummy and so were Tom and Jerry. Don't even get me started on that original Spiderman show that was the same 4 shots over and over. I remember G-Force (Battle for the Planets) as the first anime(ish) stuff we ever saw and it was pretty rad. The only thing close to it was Rocket Robin Hood which was well, absolutely terrible. Years later we get Voltron....yeah Voltron was cool for 30 seconds and then we decided every goddamn episode was the same thing. "Fight as lion forms, lose so now we form the robot, cut the thing in half." Maybe lead with the robot next time you imbeciles. G-Force was the same thing too really, join parts, go all fiery and shit after the moody guy runs out of missles and fly through the thing and win but had the benefit of coming out like 6 years earlier or so. After that, there was sort of a glut of more realistic looking cartoons. The aforementioned 3 ads and Silverhawks, that one with the space cowboys BraveStarr? No, I don't think it was this one. Jesus, the horse walks on two legs and talks but the dude still rides it? What the shit? Oh, it was Galaxy Rangers we watched. Oh this doesn't look much better. I think the first cartoon we watched that we actually really liked and wasn't a total shitheap was Macross, but even that had all that singing and the second part with the invid kind of went to hell. Still, sweet ass planes that turned into robots and uh, sorta half robot plane things and jesus, that's a lot of fucking missles in the air.

    Holy shit, looking back kids' cartoons suck, man we were fuckin' dumb. Thank god we could get on our bikes and ride till dark and our parents didn't worry about us back then or we'd be stuck in the house watching that crap. Modern kids are screwed, my co workers say their kids don't just go out to play, they have to arrange play dates. They're totally trapped inside with this crap and the horrorshow that is youtube for kids and tiktok.

    In summation, wow, we are doomed as a species and rightfully so, because Thundercats went to a cheap ass looking art style without a sexy Cheetara (or the Tiger dude if you roll that way). Oh, another thing, in the first episode they don't have their uniforms, so they're just naked? But furry? I seem to remember debating that back in the day. Holy shit, googled it and wow they are totally naked but they're wearing belts and wow, that is a lot of thundercats porn welp I'm out.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Considering the one-season run of Thundercats that came out before this latest... thing of a season was actually pretty dang good is the irritating part, made doubly irritating by the fact that Voltron was lightyears better (than the latest Thundercats and the original Voltron).

    And in the many years since the likes of the original Thundercats came out, animation in general has seen a massive shift towards mainstream acceptance and interest, so there's no reasonable excuse for a new Thundercats (or any rebooted animated property) to be shitty just because it's somewhat better than the original. And short of pitching everything at toddlers, even kids drop the shitty shows these days because there's enough out there that they don't have to put up with channels full of crap.

    I'm still hopeful that somebody will dig EXOsquad out of the garbage and give that a modern remake on par with at least Voltron, because for a show meant to sell robot toys it was really fucking heavy shit. And if somebody picked it up and turned it into a third-rate cash grab, yeah, that would be awful, because it could be a lot more than that. Avatar was a huge hit not because it was the perfect cutesy animation or something, it was a huge hit because it was high-quality work. But every media producer these days just wants the cheapass shit they can shotgun at the wall until something sticks, instead of bothering to actually put a budget and a plan behind anything.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 19
    Funny story, my internet handle used to be "Draconis" after a minor villain from EXO-Squad. It started to be used by too many people, so I switched to "Dracomicron."

    EXO-Squad was the fucking bomb, man. I always liked that people actually died in combat. Same with Zone Riders (wait so if you destroy the zone generator, all the zombies are cured? What about all the zombies you just fucking killed on the way?).

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    +1 for EXO-Squad, which remains my favorite cartoon. The animation was... eh. But the voice acting was solid and the overall story was amazing. Very few cartoons up to that point had that kind of quality when it came to serialized storytelling.

    A Netflix revamp would be incredible.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited January 19
    Media aimed at kids are pretty much always for selling merchandise, so it's not a super useful distinction.

    The action cartoons of the 80s and early 90s had some crude writing, but they brought in some incredible designs and interesting story concepts that led to the modern era, and gave us our first taste of just how amazing animation can be. The intros for Thundercats and Silverhawks are still fantastic to this day, just like the X-Men intro. They were generally better than the original TMNT cartoon that would follow (the pilot episode of which is still good).

    Thundercats itself is chock full of fun pulpy ideas and some fun twists. Lion-O is a child protagonist who gets an adult body so his physical competency doesn't look insane - compare with all the tween child soldiers beating up full grown adults and monsters in cartoons being made *right now*. The twins exist, but they have to use tools to keep up. The show is full of shifting alliances and forged friendships - the minions aren't mindless and nobody defaults to loving the Thundercats. Panthro remains an incredible example of a badass engineer. Cheetarah is a freaking beast. There are mutants and space police and a cyborgs and Lovecraft references and villain transformations well before Dragonball Z was on our TV.

    The names are terrible and the writing is bad, but the show had a lot of good pieces to mine.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    A Netflix revamp would be incredible.

    I think you mean, “... go for for 2 great seasons and then be cancelled mid-story.”

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