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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Handkor wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Dragon Ball has poisoned my mind so I always think Dragon Ball when I see that character.

    Yes, all I could see in the team was Goku, Ox King, ChiChi and Oolong or Goku, Bulma, Roshi and Oolong.

    Given that it sounds like they got Oolong's English VA to play Pigsy...

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited May 15
    She-Ra sticks the landing.
    The only thing I see anyone complaining about are some of the redemptions but eh. I think most of them were decent to good.

    I see a lot of complaints about Shadow Weaver in particular, but she makes sense to me. Pretty much everything about her makes sense when you understand she cares about magic almost exclusively, even her idea of the 'right thing' is 'get magic to everyone by any means' so she's still sketchy.

    And according to those motivations she dies to make sure the magic is freed (even though she really, really wanted to see it herself).

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  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    Oh and I guess something called Last Airbender too. :razz:

    Time to fix a grevious mistake...

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  • destroyah87destroyah87 Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Oh and I guess something called Last Airbender too. :razz:

    Time to fix a grevious mistake...

    I’ve seen Clone Wars though.

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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    WB put up a full Looney Tunes short on YouTube from the new HBO Max series

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  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Oh and I guess something called Last Airbender too. :razz:

    Time to fix a grevious mistake...

    I’ve seen Clone Wars though.

    I was talking about myself.

    I... I've never watch any of the Last Airbender.

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  • ElaroElaro Mister No Fun AllowedRegistered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Oh and I guess something called Last Airbender too. :razz:

    Time to fix a grevious mistake...

    I’ve seen Clone Wars though.

    I was talking about myself.

    I... I've never watch any of the Last Airbender.

    Isn't Last Airbender that terrible movie, while "Avatar: The Last Airbender" is the show to watch?

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  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Oh and I guess something called Last Airbender too. :razz:

    Time to fix a grevious mistake...

    I’ve seen Clone Wars though.

    I was talking about myself.

    I... I've never watch any of the Last Airbender.

    Isn't Last Airbender that terrible movie, while "Avatar: The Last Airbender" is the show to watch?

    Yes.

    ...It's the godawful movie that was put up, isn't it?

    I'm talking about the show.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    She-Ra sticks the landing.
    The only thing I see anyone complaining about are some of the redemptions but eh. I think most of them were decent to good.

    I see a lot of complaints about Shadow Weaver in particular, but she makes sense to me. Pretty much everything about her makes sense when you understand she cares about magic almost exclusively, even her idea of the 'right thing' is 'get magic to everyone by any means' so she's still sketchy.

    And according to those motivations she dies to make sure the magic is freed (even though she really, really wanted to see it herself).
    I don't think her actions are all that bad for her character.

    This show would have been alright with the abusive, manipulative, nightmarish parent, who the leads spend the whole thing trying to get her influence out of their lives, wasn't redeemed.

    Like that, and that the only NB character was pretty much an evil mercenary, and wasn't redeemed.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    redx wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    She-Ra sticks the landing.
    The only thing I see anyone complaining about are some of the redemptions but eh. I think most of them were decent to good.

    I see a lot of complaints about Shadow Weaver in particular, but she makes sense to me. Pretty much everything about her makes sense when you understand she cares about magic almost exclusively, even her idea of the 'right thing' is 'get magic to everyone by any means' so she's still sketchy.

    And according to those motivations she dies to make sure the magic is freed (even though she really, really wanted to see it herself).
    I don't think her actions are all that bad for her character.

    This show would have been alright with the abusive, manipulative, nightmarish parent, who the leads spend the whole thing trying to get her influence out of their lives, wasn't redeemed.

    Like that, and that the only NB character was pretty much an evil mercenary, and wasn't redeemed.
    Seems like a stretch to call DT evil, even with their sadistic streak--a well-written chaotic neutral. Hell, breaking Catra probably gained them some Positive Karma.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Oh and I guess something called Last Airbender too. :razz:

    Time to fix a grevious mistake...

    I’ve seen Clone Wars though.

    I was talking about myself.

    I... I've never watch any of the Last Airbender.

    Isn't Last Airbender that terrible movie, while "Avatar: The Last Airbender" is the show to watch?

    Yes.

    ...It's the godawful movie that was put up, isn't it?

    I'm talking about the show.

    No its the television series that's on Netflix this weekend.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Good week for pairings in cartoons.
    Both Harley Quinn and She-Ra had long awaited kisses.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »
    WB put up a full Looney Tunes short on YouTube from the new HBO Max series


    It's... okay, I guess? Might have potential. Then again if that's the one they're choosing to showcase out of all the ones they've done, that's a little concerning.

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  • BethrynBethryn Registered User regular
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Good week for pairings in cartoons.
    Both Harley Quinn and She-Ra had long awaited kisses.
    Or a bad week, depending on how invested viewers were in Kite-Man.

    Or maybe a great week, depending on how poly-adjacent new Harley Quinn writers are.

  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited May 16
    Make it a season/entire narrative or make it very short and irreverent like the Mickey Mouse shorts, where setting, music, action and expressiveness are central. I have little patience for very character or dialogue-focused sitcom/sketch cartoons and Hannah-Barbera characters are even more one-note than Disney equivalents.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Make it a season/entire narrative or make it very short and irreverent like the Mickey Mouse shorts, where setting, music, action and expressiveness are central. I have little patience for very character or dialogue-focused sitcom/sketch cartoons and Hannah-Barbera characters are even more one-note than Disney equivalents.

    But Looney toons aren't Hannah Barbera characters

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Make it a season/entire narrative or make it very short and irreverent like the Mickey Mouse shorts, where setting, music, action and expressiveness are central. I have little patience for very character or dialogue-focused sitcom/sketch cartoons and Hannah-Barbera characters are even more one-note than Disney equivalents.

    But Looney toons aren't Hannah Barbera characters

    Cough. I was tired when I wrote that. But I feel the same way about the Looney Tunes roster or animation in general.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    redx wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    She-Ra sticks the landing.
    The only thing I see anyone complaining about are some of the redemptions but eh. I think most of them were decent to good.

    I see a lot of complaints about Shadow Weaver in particular, but she makes sense to me. Pretty much everything about her makes sense when you understand she cares about magic almost exclusively, even her idea of the 'right thing' is 'get magic to everyone by any means' so she's still sketchy.

    And according to those motivations she dies to make sure the magic is freed (even though she really, really wanted to see it herself).
    I don't think her actions are all that bad for her character.

    This show would have been alright with the abusive, manipulative, nightmarish parent, who the leads spend the whole thing trying to get her influence out of their lives, wasn't redeemed.

    Like that, and that the only NB character was pretty much an evil mercenary, and wasn't redeemed.
    I disagree that Shadowbender was redeemed. If they wanted to redeem her, her last words wouldn't have been "You're welcome."
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Good week for pairings in cartoons.
    Both Harley Quinn and She-Ra had long awaited kisses.
    Or a bad week, depending on how invested viewers were in Kite-Man.

    Or maybe a great week, depending on how poly-adjacent new Harley Quinn writers are.
    I will be honest, I thought that the Catra+She-Ra ship was either one sided or platonic for most of the series. That it was definitively romantic recontextualizes why She-Ra was so reluctant to give up on Catra.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Scoob turned out pretty good. It's not really a mystery so you'll be disappointed if you're insisting on that, but the characters are lots of fun and there's tons of Hanna-Barbara references. (In fact a still image on the Microsoft store wrecked the most fun surprise, so heads up.)

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    redx wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    She-Ra sticks the landing.
    The only thing I see anyone complaining about are some of the redemptions but eh. I think most of them were decent to good.

    I see a lot of complaints about Shadow Weaver in particular, but she makes sense to me. Pretty much everything about her makes sense when you understand she cares about magic almost exclusively, even her idea of the 'right thing' is 'get magic to everyone by any means' so she's still sketchy.

    And according to those motivations she dies to make sure the magic is freed (even though she really, really wanted to see it herself).
    I don't think her actions are all that bad for her character.

    This show would have been alright with the abusive, manipulative, nightmarish parent, who the leads spend the whole thing trying to get her influence out of their lives, wasn't redeemed.

    Like that, and that the only NB character was pretty much an evil mercenary, and wasn't redeemed.
    I disagree that Shadowbender was redeemed. If they wanted to redeem her, her last words wouldn't have been "You're welcome."
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Good week for pairings in cartoons.
    Both Harley Quinn and She-Ra had long awaited kisses.
    Or a bad week, depending on how invested viewers were in Kite-Man.

    Or maybe a great week, depending on how poly-adjacent new Harley Quinn writers are.
    I will be honest, I thought that the Catra+She-Ra ship was either one sided or platonic for most of the series. That it was definitively romantic recontextualizes why She-Ra was so reluctant to give up on Catra.

    I love that
    she was her shitty self the whole time. She did *learn* things but she was an abusive mother but there was still a *mothering* aspect to her and she wasn't going to suddenly turn over a new leaf. She makes so much more sense than Hordak.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    I feel compelled to let people know this was a scene in the Dora the Explorer live action movie:

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    The Shivering Truth season 2 continues to be The Shivering Truth. It's very, and much.

  • TexiKenTexiKen now you're all in big, big trouble Registered User regular
    This is the first promo image for the Netflix Cuphead show, with actual footage to show at an animation expo in June:

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    Making the show look like a 30's cartoon seemed too simple an objective, and this looks more like a Ren & Stimpy style. Just an image, sure, but first impressions and all that. Expectations lowered.

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    Far more important to me is the sound design, voice direction, music choices, comedic timing and animation creativity. Imitating the aesthetics/style of the era would be an impressive accomplishment, of course.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    I sort of remember there being a "thing" (because there's always a thing") regarding Cuphead and a bunch of people saying/asking "Is it racist that the game is aping an animation style that contained quite a lot of what is today considered racist imagry?".

    Wouldn't be terribly surprising if some exec didn't want to use the artstyle for that exact reason.

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  • navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Scoob turned out pretty good. It's not really a mystery so you'll be disappointed if you're insisting on that, but the characters are lots of fun and there's tons of Hanna-Barbara references. (In fact a still image on the Microsoft store wrecked the most fun surprise, so heads up.)

    My kids liked it. It's less a traditional Mystery Inc and more of a Scooby and Shaggy guest starring in a wacky races inspired adventure.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    I'm amazed (and heartened) by how quickly LGBT representation's getting normalized in family animation.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    I sort of remember there being a "thing" (because there's always a thing") regarding Cuphead and a bunch of people saying/asking "Is it racist that the game is aping an animation style that contained quite a lot of what is today considered racist imagry?".

    Wouldn't be terribly surprising if some exec didn't want to use the artstyle for that exact reason.

    I remember the game taking a long time, due to it taking a lot of time to animate 6 layers of everything dancing around.

    Part if the simplified style might also be due to execs wanting it finished on time/limit costs.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I'm amazed (and heartened) by how quickly LGBT representation's getting normalized in family animation.

    It really just requires the math to make them more money vs. losing money to bigots. See: the major increase in Mexican and black representation.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Hell yes.

    I never was able to connect with Bojack Horseman.

    Tuca & Bertie I was on board.

  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    The ending of BoJack Horseman kind of soured me on the show as a whole. I think I'm ready for more of Tuca & Bertie so I can have a more satisfying show in that style.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The ending of BoJack Horseman kind of soured me on the show as a whole.

    Shots fired? I liked that ending.

    Meanwhile, I couldn't get past the second episode of Tuca & Bertie. It was far too Random Zany Shenanigans for me to hold interest.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Yeah, the ending of Bojack was brutal but necessary, especially in these times.

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    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The ending of BoJack Horseman kind of soured me on the show as a whole.

    Shots fired? I liked that ending.

    I just had to make peace with the fact that I had fundamentally misunderstood what the show was going for.

    As a person who has long dealt with anxiety and depression and its impacts on my life, I wanted to see BoJack eventually turn his own life around. Instead, all the side characters who weren't as bad off as BoJack mentally got happy endings and relationships, with BoJack himself apparently a hopeless cause with no one who truly cares about him that will never be capable of fixing his life.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The ending of BoJack Horseman kind of soured me on the show as a whole.

    Shots fired? I liked that ending.

    I just had to make peace with the fact that I had fundamentally misunderstood what the show was going for.

    As a person who has long dealt with anxiety and depression and its impacts on my life, I wanted to see BoJack eventually turn his own life around. Instead, all the side characters who weren't as bad off as BoJack mentally got happy endings and relationships, with BoJack himself apparently a hopeless cause with no one who truly cares about him that will never be capable of fixing his life.

    It's not quite like that.
    He's moving forward -- he's gradually improving and trying to fix things. Chances are, once he gets out of jail, he'll be a better person.

    But the point of this season is that he's done a LOT of shit. Far too much that can be swept under the rug and forgotten. He's sympathetic to a point, but don't forget, he's done some horrible things, even if (sometimes) he had good intentions. Forgiveness makes sense up to a point, but overlooking that much stuff can turn into enabling. Beyond that, not everyone can deal with that amount of stuff without being dragged down themselves. Often, fixing things when you're that self-destructive can be painful. Some people can accept their apologies and keep them in their lives (like Mr. Peanutbutter), but some people can't (like Diane). It's not that some people are being overly harsh or too selfish -- people just have different limits of what they deal with. It's just human nature.

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited May 23
    Not really feeling Amphibia. Every episode involves Ann/e being stupid, selfish, naive, careless or completely thoughtless and then the problem she creates resolves in the end. Funny and inventive at times but very very rote. And unlike Owl House, another incredibly similar isekai-style series, it doesn't have Eda.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The ending of BoJack Horseman kind of soured me on the show as a whole.

    Shots fired? I liked that ending.

    I just had to make peace with the fact that I had fundamentally misunderstood what the show was going for.

    As a person who has long dealt with anxiety and depression and its impacts on my life, I wanted to see BoJack eventually turn his own life around. Instead, all the side characters who weren't as bad off as BoJack mentally got happy endings and relationships, with BoJack himself apparently a hopeless cause with no one who truly cares about him that will never be capable of fixing his life.

    It's not quite like that.
    He's moving forward -- he's gradually improving and trying to fix things. Chances are, once he gets out of jail, he'll be a better person.

    But the point of this season is that he's done a LOT of shit. Far too much that can be swept under the rug and forgotten. He's sympathetic to a point, but don't forget, he's done some horrible things, even if (sometimes) he had good intentions. Forgiveness makes sense up to a point, but overlooking that much stuff can turn into enabling. Beyond that, not everyone can deal with that amount of stuff without being dragged down themselves. Often, fixing things when you're that self-destructive can be painful. Some people can accept their apologies and keep them in their lives (like Mr. Peanutbutter), but some people can't (like Diane). It's not that some people are being overly harsh or too selfish -- people just have different limits of what they deal with. It's just human nature.

    Yeah. I've had my bouts with depression, and I found Bojack's storyline to be surprisingly optimistic for him. Does he get a happy ending? Well, it's probably happier than he deserves... but the point of the series (to me) is that people don't get what they deserve; they get what they get.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Not really feeling Amphibia. Every episode involves Ann/e being stupid, selfish, naive, careless or completely thoughtless and then the problem she creates resolves in the end. Funny and inventive at times but very very rote. And unlike Owl House, another incredibly similar isekai-style series, it doesn't have Eda.

    There are things I like about it, but it is definitely the lesser show. The last few episodes seem to set up a status quo that’s going somewhere, though.

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