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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Watching the first episode of Close Enough season 2.

    Candice: "Dad! We watched this really old movie today called King Kong. It had Jack Black in it!"
    Whoops, I died. I am dead now.

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    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Watching the first episode of Close Enough season 2.

    Candice: "Dad! We watched this really old movie today called King Kong. It had Jack Black in it!"
    Whoops, I died. I am dead now.

    It was a very strong start to the season.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    I have not rewatched Recess in years but I really liked it back in the day. It did the whole "kids have their own society" thing pretty well.

    It's DNA is pretty apparent in Craig of the Creek, which is an amazing show.

  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    I just now realized that neither Fillmore! nor The Weekenders is on Disney+, I wonder why.

  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    edited March 2
    Opty wrote: »
    I just now realized that neither Fillmore! nor The Weekenders is on Disney+, I wonder why.

    A lot of ABC's post-Disney Afternoon cartoons are missing. The most annoying omissions for me personally are Buzz Lightyear of Star Command and the Aladdin television series.

    Disney+ and HBO Max would easily be the most valuable streaming services for animation enthusiasts if they would stop dragging their feet.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Oh man, I loved Filmore. Such a great concept.

    Weekends was pretty amusing too.

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Finished both first seaons of owl house and amphibia now. I think I liked amphibia better in the end. The voice acting and dialogue felt a bit snappier, the animation is much more expressive. The often repeated episode ending of I'm sorry - I'm sorry, too - let's hug get's a bit repetitive maybe when binging but otherwise it's fun.

  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Speaking of kids-stuck-in-a-magic-world shows, I started Infinity Train!

    It's probably just the synthy soundtrack, but hoo boy this is easily the creepiest and most threatening of these shows. Loving it so far.

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  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    Speaking of kids-stuck-in-a-magic-world shows, I started Infinity Train!

    It's probably just the synthy soundtrack, but hoo boy this is easily the creepiest and most threatening of these shows. Loving it so far.

    oh yes definitely. It is not super happy fun times like the others. It is incredibly emotional.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    started watching Final Space on HBO Max and it has pretty good first episode!

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 4
    The nominations for the Annie Awards are up: Source

    Of particular interest to me are the following:
    - Amphibia
    - BNA
    - Craig of the Creek
    - Looney Tunes Cartoons
    - The Owl House

    I swear if BNA wins the woman who worked on it (and contributed heavily to the character design process) that I mentioned earlier, Genice, will have had an absolutely phenomenal start in the animation industry.

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    - Close Enough
    Episode: Logan's Run'd/Room Parents
    - Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal
    Episode: Coven Of The Damned
    - Harley Quinn
    Episode: Something Borrowed, Something Green
    - Rick and Morty
    Episode: The Vat of Acid Episode
    - The Midnight Gospel
    Episode: Mouse of Silver

    Also, glad to see Close Enough nominated, though honestly it's not gonna beat out Primal or Rick & Morty especially.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Not a Fictional Character Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The nominations for the Annie Awards are up: Source

    Of particular interest to me are the following:
    - Amphibia
    - BNA
    - Craig of the Creek
    - Looney Tunes Cartoons
    - The Owl House

    I swear if BNA wins the woman who worked on it (and contributed heavily to the character design process) that I mentioned earlier, Genice, will have had an absolutely phenomenal start in the animation industry.
    - Close Enough
    Episode: Logan's Run'd/Room Parents
    - Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal
    Episode: Coven Of The Damned
    - Harley Quinn
    Episode: Something Borrowed, Something Green
    - Rick and Morty
    Episode: The Vat of Acid Episode
    - The Midnight Gospel
    Episode: Mouse of Silver

    I take it Annie Awards are only for corporate animation?

  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The nominations for the Annie Awards are up: Source

    Of particular interest to me are the following:
    - Amphibia
    - BNA
    - Craig of the Creek
    - Looney Tunes Cartoons
    - The Owl House

    I swear if BNA wins the woman who worked on it (and contributed heavily to the character design process) that I mentioned earlier, Genice, will have had an absolutely phenomenal start in the animation industry.
    - Close Enough
    Episode: Logan's Run'd/Room Parents
    - Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal
    Episode: Coven Of The Damned
    - Harley Quinn
    Episode: Something Borrowed, Something Green
    - Rick and Morty
    Episode: The Vat of Acid Episode
    - The Midnight Gospel
    Episode: Mouse of Silver

    I take it Annie Awards are only for corporate animation?

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 4
    Sharing this effort post I made for the SE++ TV thread:

    Adults have been into kids' shows for a while. Subtle (and not so subtle) jokes for adults were common in 90's and 2000's cartoons.

    What's different now, though, is that now kids' cartoons are also handling more mature themes, and the fact that these shows do have (somewhat loosening) limitations on the content that can be depicted while also making it easier to implement metaphors (like fusion in Steven Universe, for example) I think helps hone these themes in some cases more effectively than many shows intended for solely for adults do.

    Infinity Train is an interesting example because, from what I understand, seasons 3 and seasons 4 were made one after the other, but season 3 got dark enough that HBOMax hesitated to commit to putting season 4 on its platform. In an interview with the show's creator I read a while back he even admitted they might have went too dark with season 3.

    Infinity Train Season 3 Interview - Spoilers
    “It’s pretty hard to sell the idea of, ‘Yeah, so we wanna make a story about these teens who lead a cult and don’t view anyone around them as living so they just kill and maim and destroy everything all time so that we can look at another angle of what the previous season talked about—and also we’re gonna grind someone in a gear. That’s cool, right?’” he said (referring to an episode four moment that stands out as one of the darkest the series has done so far).

    Source

    This of course makes me extremely curious if season 4 of Infinity Train will be even darker than season 3, or if this was just HBOMax overreacting.

    However, HBOMax has at least recognized that there is a large and growing demand for animation targeted at adults, and Covid created the perfect opportunity for adult-oriented animation to take-off as work on live-action projects was stifled.

    Of course, shows labeled as "for children" attracting adult fans has long been a thing. Invader Zim was cancelled because the fanbase was significantly older than the target demographic, and advertisers didn't want to waste ad money on ads aimed for children airing around a show with an older demographic. Had Zim come out when streaming was a thing it may have instead been transferred to a streaming service like The Legend of Korra was.

    Heck, Cartoon Network realized back even before Adventure Time and Steven Universe became huge hits with older demographics that there was an older viewer base they wanted to appeal to. J. G. Quintel, creator of Regular Show and Close Enough, stated in an interview years back when Regular Show was still airing that Cartoon Network was toying with "aging up" their target demographic, and Regular Show was part of that (which is why, for example, the first season of Regular Show had multiple instances where the characters say "pissed" before later being edited).



    This sentiment probably also led to Over the Garden Wall and Infinity Train, and was why Adventure Time and Steven Universe were able to do some of the things they did.

    I honestly still have a hard time understanding how Steven Universe Future, whose primary focus was the main character of the original series going through some heavy psychological trauma due to the events of the original series plus a distressing lack of direction and opportunities now that he'd "fulfilled his purpose" got greenlit, but I'm so glad it did because it gets into some very interesting, mature themes in a way I don't think a show for adults ever could.

    Greg: "You grew up with actual freedom!"
    Steven: "I grew up in a VAN! I never went to school! I've never been to a doctor until two days ago!"

    Steven Universe Future Spoilers - "Connie's Answer"



    This video hits especially hard because, while Steven is honest that he wants to be with Connie, he doesn't let slip that his desire to get married immediately and live as the composite being Stevonnie is based on his belief that he himself doesn't have a future to look forward to, that he would rather Connie's life and future fill the void he senses in his own. Connie refuses because she wants to be her own person and "they have plenty of time", but Steven at this point effectively doesn't want to exist anymore. The existence of the fusion concept in the world of the show helps to reinforce a mature concept; most shows for adults don't have these kinds of fantastical tools available.

    Disney also had shows in this timeframe like Gravity Falls, Star vs The Forces of Evil, and the DuckTales reboot that were pleasing to both kids and adults (as a side note, Gravity Falls' creator Alex Hirsch has revealed lots of darker jokes that didn't make it into the series, and on Twitter even trolled Disney's official Twitter profile when it asked a certain Gravity Falls question).



    I don't know if Disney had a similar thought to try and "age up" their demographic, but honestly I think it's more likely that many among the new crop of cartoon creators all had the same desire to create "children's" shows that were really for everybody. A lot of these people all went to the same prestigious art school in California, afterall.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Not a Fictional Character Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 4
    Modern censorship in cartoons is mostly oriented towards keeping neglectful parents from overhearing a word and running to their pastor about it to start an angry mob.

    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Yes, thank God for the rise of streaming. Good shows will have a much easier time surviving now that they no longer need to appeal to increasingly narrow age demographics to be considered successful. The line between adult animation and children's cartoons (which for most of my life has just meant Simpsons knockoffs versus everything else) will be blurred considerably. There will still be plenty of shows that are obviously one or the other, of course, but most of the best stuff will be in the grey area. Because when you get right down to it, adults and children really aren't that different. They both just want to watch good TV.

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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    They're doing a Spongebob spinoff for Patrick Star

    https://deadline.com/2021/03/spongebob-squarepants-spinoff-the-patrick-star-show-gets-series-ordered-nickelodeon-1234706441/
    Per Nickelodeon, The Patrick Star Show follows a younger Patrick Star living at home with his family, where he hosts his own show for the neighborhood from his television-turned-bedroom. His little sister, Squidina, works behind the scenes to make sure Patrick’s show is always running smoothly, while his parents, Bunny and Cecil and his grandpa, GrandPat, each support Patrick in their own hilariously absurd ways. The Star family’s unpredictable adventures often inform, integrate, and sometimes even interfere with Patrick’s TV show, but one thing is for sure: his bizarre life always makes for great television!

    In addition to Fagerbakke, the voice cast includes Tom Wilson (SpongeBob SquarePants, Back to the Future) as Cecil Star, Patrick’s fun-loving, happy-go-lucky dad who always puts his family first; Cree Summer (A Different World, Inspector Gadget) as Bunny Star, Patrick’s loving, sea star mom who is a kooky oddball; Jill Talley (SpongeBob SquarePants) as Squidina Star, Patrick’s eight-year-old little sister who sees herself as Patrick’s executive producer for his imaginary TV show; and Dana Snyder (The Penguins of Madagascar, Chowder) as GrandPat Star, Patrick’s genius grandpat, the most intelligent member of the Star family. Summer also voices Grandma Tentacles, Squidward’s grandma.

    Additional cast members include veteran actors Tom Kenny (SpongeBob SquarePants), Rodger Bumpass (Squidward Tentacles), Carolyn Lawrence (Sandy Cheeks), Clancy Brown (Mr. Krabs), Mr. Lawrence (Plankton).

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    Real heads would demand more Squidward. Patrick is a known quantity to everyone because everyone knows a Patrick or know exactly what kind of person Patrick is. Squidward is not a Squidward, he is a life.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »
    They're doing a Spongebob spinoff for Patrick Star

    https://deadline.com/2021/03/spongebob-squarepants-spinoff-the-patrick-star-show-gets-series-ordered-nickelodeon-1234706441/
    Per Nickelodeon, The Patrick Star Show follows a younger Patrick Star living at home with his family, where he hosts his own show for the neighborhood from his television-turned-bedroom. His little sister, Squidina, works behind the scenes to make sure Patrick’s show is always running smoothly, while his parents, Bunny and Cecil and his grandpa, GrandPat, each support Patrick in their own hilariously absurd ways. The Star family’s unpredictable adventures often inform, integrate, and sometimes even interfere with Patrick’s TV show, but one thing is for sure: his bizarre life always makes for great television!

    In addition to Fagerbakke, the voice cast includes Tom Wilson (SpongeBob SquarePants, Back to the Future) as Cecil Star, Patrick’s fun-loving, happy-go-lucky dad who always puts his family first; Cree Summer (A Different World, Inspector Gadget) as Bunny Star, Patrick’s loving, sea star mom who is a kooky oddball; Jill Talley (SpongeBob SquarePants) as Squidina Star, Patrick’s eight-year-old little sister who sees herself as Patrick’s executive producer for his imaginary TV show; and Dana Snyder (The Penguins of Madagascar, Chowder) as GrandPat Star, Patrick’s genius grandpat, the most intelligent member of the Star family. Summer also voices Grandma Tentacles, Squidward’s grandma.

    Additional cast members include veteran actors Tom Kenny (SpongeBob SquarePants), Rodger Bumpass (Squidward Tentacles), Carolyn Lawrence (Sandy Cheeks), Clancy Brown (Mr. Krabs), Mr. Lawrence (Plankton).

    I cannot believe that 20 years later Spongebob Squarepants is not only still going on, but is getting TWO spin-offs.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Well it's mostly due to the studio dancing on the creator's grave.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Not a Fictional Character Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

    I mean Kevin alone is pretty messed up for a children's show without parental involvement.

  • ApogeeApogee Lancks In Every Game Ever Registered User regular
    edited March 4
    The bit in season one where Amethyst torments Steven's father by shapeshifting into his dead wife was a pretty gnarly for a show aimed at tweens.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

    I mean Kevin alone is pretty messed up for a children's show without parental involvement.

    Yeahhhhhhh it was weird how they had an episode where an older teen unknowingly hits on a couple of kids who just so happen to look the same age as him.

    Now, I love the show (have both the art books and attended a panel at MomoCon in Atlanta years back, in fact), but it is true that it spent several years setting-up Steven as a hero and a role model for the child audience, and it didn't reveal the consequences of Steven willingly placing so much of a burden on himself until the very end, years later. In all that time children could have seen Steven as someone to emulate, only for Steven's tendency to bury his own feelings, self-sacrifice, and always be someone others can lay their burdens down without ever expressing his own problems to others to finally be revealed as unhealthy for his psyche in the last few episodes.

    Steven Universe Future Penultimate Episode Spoiler

    Instead of waiting so long on this they probably should have sprinkled this lesson throughout the show for the benefit of its younger audience. Someone who started watching Steven Universe when they were eight would have been sixteen by the time Steven's actions were ultimately shown to have not been the healthiest for him, and there's no guarantee that sixteen year-old would still be watching the show by the time it got to the point.

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    Here's a fun, related video:

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

    I mean Kevin alone is pretty messed up for a children's show without parental involvement.

    Yeahhhhhhh it was weird how they had an episode where an older teen unknowingly hits on a couple of kids who just so happen to look the same age as him.

    Now, I love the show (have both the art books and attended a panel at MomoCon in Atlanta years back, in fact), but it is true that it spent several years setting-up Steven as a hero and a role model for the child audience, and it didn't reveal the consequences of Steven willingly placing so much of a burden on himself until the very end, years later. In all that time children could have seen Steven as someone to emulate, only for Steven's tendency to bury his own feelings, self-sacrifice, and always be someone others can lay their burdens down without ever expressing his own problems to others to finally be revealed as unhealthy for his psyche in the last few episodes.

    Steven Universe Future Penultimate Episode Spoiler

    Instead of waiting so long on this they probably should have sprinkled this lesson throughout the show for the benefit of its younger audience. Someone who started watching Steven Universe when they were eight would have been sixteen by the time Steven's actions were ultimately shown to have not been the healthiest for him, and there's no guarantee that sixteen year-old would still be watching the show by the time it got to the point.

    I don't know about that. Part of the fun of Steven Universe: Future was how much it undermined Steven Universe. That contrast wouldn't be nearly as satisfying if the original show had been more nuanced in the first place.

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    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

    I mean Kevin alone is pretty messed up for a children's show without parental involvement.

    Yeahhhhhhh it was weird how they had an episode where an older teen unknowingly hits on a couple of kids who just so happen to look the same age as him.

    Now, I love the show (have both the art books and attended a panel at MomoCon in Atlanta years back, in fact), but it is true that it spent several years setting-up Steven as a hero and a role model for the child audience, and it didn't reveal the consequences of Steven willingly placing so much of a burden on himself until the very end, years later. In all that time children could have seen Steven as someone to emulate, only for Steven's tendency to bury his own feelings, self-sacrifice, and always be someone others can lay their burdens down without ever expressing his own problems to others to finally be revealed as unhealthy for his psyche in the last few episodes.

    Steven Universe Future Penultimate Episode Spoiler

    Instead of waiting so long on this they probably should have sprinkled this lesson throughout the show for the benefit of its younger audience. Someone who started watching Steven Universe when they were eight would have been sixteen by the time Steven's actions were ultimately shown to have not been the healthiest for him, and there's no guarantee that sixteen year-old would still be watching the show by the time it got to the point.

    I don't know about that. Part of the fun of Steven Universe: Future was how much it undermined Steven Universe. That contrast wouldn't be nearly as satisfying if the original show had been more nuanced in the first place.

    Similar to Korra vs The Last Airbender.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Not a Fictional Character Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

    I mean Kevin alone is pretty messed up for a children's show without parental involvement.

    Yeahhhhhhh it was weird how they had an episode where an older teen unknowingly hits on a couple of kids who just so happen to look the same age as him.

    Now, I love the show (have both the art books and attended a panel at MomoCon in Atlanta years back, in fact), but it is true that it spent several years setting-up Steven as a hero and a role model for the child audience, and it didn't reveal the consequences of Steven willingly placing so much of a burden on himself until the very end, years later. In all that time children could have seen Steven as someone to emulate, only for Steven's tendency to bury his own feelings, self-sacrifice, and always be someone others can lay their burdens down without ever expressing his own problems to others to finally be revealed as unhealthy for his psyche in the last few episodes.

    Steven Universe Future Penultimate Episode Spoiler

    Instead of waiting so long on this they probably should have sprinkled this lesson throughout the show for the benefit of its younger audience. Someone who started watching Steven Universe when they were eight would have been sixteen by the time Steven's actions were ultimately shown to have not been the healthiest for him, and there's no guarantee that sixteen year-old would still be watching the show by the time it got to the point.

    I don't know about that. Part of the fun of Steven Universe: Future was how much it undermined Steven Universe. That contrast wouldn't be nearly as satisfying if the original show had been more nuanced in the first place.

    I would normally agree, except for the age of the target audience.

    I watched and watch a hell of a lot of cartoons and other adventure-oriented media, and who I am has been pretty heavily influenced by heroic stories. People are similarly affected by stuff like comics (Remember Obama and Superman?), just like the myths of old. These stories usually make sure to show folly pretty close to immediately specifically to make sure you don't miss the point. Getting only half the story is specifically how a lot of bad lessons are learned.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited March 4
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    For example, Steven Universe is frankly a show that kids should watch with a parent who knows what to expect from it. It goes into a lot of overt sexuality, abuse, identity, and trauma situations on the regular, and a lot of the story beats center around things that younger children are typically not prepared for, and risks emulation of behaviors which are only finally depicted as toxic in future episodes, or which are just likely to have negative consequences in a public setting. The fact that Pearl doesn't say "Fuck you Greg" doesn't really make it a children's cartoon.

    That is an interesting take, especially in light of how Steven Universe Future makes it clear that many of Steven's earlier behaviors, while well-intentioned, were mentally unhealthy for him.

    I mean Kevin alone is pretty messed up for a children's show without parental involvement.

    Yeahhhhhhh it was weird how they had an episode where an older teen unknowingly hits on a couple of kids who just so happen to look the same age as him.

    Now, I love the show (have both the art books and attended a panel at MomoCon in Atlanta years back, in fact), but it is true that it spent several years setting-up Steven as a hero and a role model for the child audience, and it didn't reveal the consequences of Steven willingly placing so much of a burden on himself until the very end, years later. In all that time children could have seen Steven as someone to emulate, only for Steven's tendency to bury his own feelings, self-sacrifice, and always be someone others can lay their burdens down without ever expressing his own problems to others to finally be revealed as unhealthy for his psyche in the last few episodes.

    Steven Universe Future Penultimate Episode Spoiler

    Instead of waiting so long on this they probably should have sprinkled this lesson throughout the show for the benefit of its younger audience. Someone who started watching Steven Universe when they were eight would have been sixteen by the time Steven's actions were ultimately shown to have not been the healthiest for him, and there's no guarantee that sixteen year-old would still be watching the show by the time it got to the point.

    I don't know about that. Part of the fun of Steven Universe: Future was how much it undermined Steven Universe. That contrast wouldn't be nearly as satisfying if the original show had been more nuanced in the first place.

    I can't argue about the satisfying contrast, but in this case I think the potential damage outweighs the need for a satisfactory story resolution years after the story is told. Especially given the initial age of the target audience.

    Showing Steven being what he thought everyone wanted him to be from such a young age for almost the entire show and everyone around him supporting him and praising him for that, only to say "Yeah, that's a really fucked up way to live, and it's going to leave lasting damage" years after the fact...

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    https://screenrant.com/space-jam-2-images-tweety-bird-lola-bunny/
    I am expressing angry at academia and the world on social media, as I no longer see the large breast's on the hot basketball girl bunny, said the normal, mentally stable and functional adult man.

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    Absalon wrote: »
    https://screenrant.com/space-jam-2-images-tweety-bird-lola-bunny/
    I am expressing angry at academia and the world on social media, as I no longer see the large breast's on the hot basketball girl bunny, said the normal, mentally stable and functional adult man.

    This is the only characterization of Lola Bunny I will accept:

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    https://screenrant.com/space-jam-2-images-tweety-bird-lola-bunny/
    I am expressing angry at academia and the world on social media, as I no longer see the large breast's on the hot basketball girl bunny, said the normal, mentally stable and functional adult man.

    They just want the next generation of Furries to experience their awakening with the same character they did.

    What's the point of even making a Space Jam 2, if not that? :tell_me_more:

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    FYI now I'm specifically watching the episodes of The Looney Tunes Show that featured Lola.

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    FYI now I'm specifically watching the episodes of The Looney Tunes Show that featured Lola.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    I've been meaning to do this for a while now, but this thread gave me the proper motivation.

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    *Establishing shot of the Eiffel Tower*
    Lola: " Stonehenge..."

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 5
    Space Jam: Aliens challenge the Looney Tunes characters to a basketball game, and Bugs gets Michael Jordan to help.

    Space Jam 2
    Playing a heightened version of himself, James struggles to relate to [Cedric Joe]’s Dom, who’s much more interested in creating games than playing them. When Dom’s tech skills draw the attention of a CGI humanoid named Al G Rhythm (Don Cheadle), the father-son duo get sucked into the Warner 3000 entertainment ‘Server-verse,’ with the A.I. kidnapping Dom in the hopes of stealing some of the King’s followers.

    According to EW, on his journey to escape the WB3000 Entertainment Server-verse, LeBron James will bounce around some famous movies. Titles listed in the article include Casablanca, The Matrix, and Mad Max. According to reports from last year, it also seems like the evil murder-clown from It as well as some version of The Joker from Batman will be appearing in the film too.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited March 5
    I've been meaning to do this for a while now, but this thread gave me the proper motivation.

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    Hey, The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries was awesome.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know Texas booniesRegistered User regular
    Uh...ok. Not really sure why Space Jam needed to turn into Ready Player 23?

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    Also, its actual title is "Space Jam: A New Legacy", so for all I know it could be the start of some kind of weird crossover cinematic universe.

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