We’ve talked about granting the ability to wear 3 Legion Legendaries as part of the reward for the Argus questline in 7.3. It’s not really something that the game needs one way or the other, but it would be cool. We’ve also talked about (mostly jokingly) about removing the Legion Legendary limit entirely in the week(s) before 8.0 launch, and letting people go wild west with them. That’s probably not going to happen due to power level reasons, as it would be a very jarring when you level from 119 to 120 and suddenly all 12+ of your legendaries you have equipped turn off.
so I guess we're stuck with 2
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
theres also the elephant in the room about what happens to relic weapons next xpac
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The relic weapon was part of azeroth the whole time and she needs it back thanks.
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
The relic weapon was part of azeroth the whole time and she needs it back thanks.
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
If I were handling the design of that, I'd make it so you do the first bit of the 8.0 expansion introduction stuff with your artifact and just walk all over everything, the powerless wimp mobs flee in terror from you, and then suddenly the artifacts get taken away by The Plot and you have to pick up a grey piece of shit off the ground and struggle against the former wimp mobs. Make it a little more interesting than just "here's your standard issue new expansion green gear that invalidates everything but the last raid tier of the previous expansion"
Well now I went and looked and warlocks heal almost as I do
And I get 50% of vampiric touch back
Friggen warlocks
soul leech is a hell of a drug
and affliction uses drain soul as part of their normal damage rotation on top of that
affliction also gets healed when other players use that particular warlock's healthstones
dont use health potions, save a warlock
I tested this, you actually get healed by party/raid members using healthstones from any warlock, it doesn't care who made it.
Not that affliction locks have trouble healing themselves even without that. They're probably better at self-healing than actual healer specs. So probably don't bother using healthstones over potions just to heal affliction locks who don't really care about the extra health anyway.
theres also the elephant in the room about what happens to relic weapons next xpac
They get thrown in the trash and survival is turned into a shitty ranged spec again
They really want to make survival hunter all about traps.
But traps are bad because it takes forever to use them (there's still no smartcast!) and they have a massive travel time + also they need to be activated if you miss the shot. That in combination with them doing shit damage...
blizz has no idea what they want to do with survival but right now it's just plain bad.
The relic weapon was part of azeroth the whole time and she needs it back thanks.
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
If I were handling the design of that, I'd make it so you do the first bit of the 8.0 expansion introduction stuff with your artifact and just walk all over everything, the powerless wimp mobs flee in terror from you, and then suddenly the artifacts get taken away by The Plot and you have to pick up a grey piece of shit off the ground and struggle against the former wimp mobs. Make it a little more interesting than just "here's your standard issue new expansion green gear that invalidates everything but the last raid tier of the previous expansion"
Most theories say that we'll lose our artifacts fighting the final boss of the expac, sacrificing their power for victory.
But one guy was like "what if we absorb the power into ourselves" and that makes a lot of sense. It'd give us a reason to have the abilities/traits after the weapon is gone, and wave away the new-green-being-stronger game mechanic.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
there's also the possibility that they really like how artifacts have been and so we just keep the artifact weapons through the next expansion, I guess, with new trait advancement ala the 7.2 artifact upgrades
theres also the elephant in the room about what happens to relic weapons next xpac
The other option besides "quick, everyone throw them into the fire to save the world!" is to Prestige the weapon in the next expansion (or 'reforge' or some other macguffin to "totally unlock its power even further"), but the relics and traits are all wiped and it gets set to ilvl 1000 with some new progression mechanic. Then start dumping more cosmetic options on us or maybe ways to transfer that power into another weapon.
And fuck Blizz if they think my priest is giving up the knaifu. We've bonded.
The relic weapon was part of azeroth the whole time and she needs it back thanks.
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
If I were handling the design of that, I'd make it so you do the first bit of the 8.0 expansion introduction stuff with your artifact and just walk all over everything, the powerless wimp mobs flee in terror from you, and then suddenly the artifacts get taken away by The Plot and you have to pick up a grey piece of shit off the ground and struggle against the former wimp mobs. Make it a little more interesting than just "here's your standard issue new expansion green gear that invalidates everything but the last raid tier of the previous expansion"
The relic weapon was part of azeroth the whole time and she needs it back thanks.
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
If I were handling the design of that, I'd make it so you do the first bit of the 8.0 expansion introduction stuff with your artifact and just walk all over everything, the powerless wimp mobs flee in terror from you, and then suddenly the artifacts get taken away by The Plot and you have to pick up a grey piece of shit off the ground and struggle against the former wimp mobs. Make it a little more interesting than just "here's your standard issue new expansion green gear that invalidates everything but the last raid tier of the previous expansion"
This is good, artifact or no
wait I've got a better pitch: what if the artifacts were corrupted
The relic weapon was part of azeroth the whole time and she needs it back thanks.
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
If I were handling the design of that, I'd make it so you do the first bit of the 8.0 expansion introduction stuff with your artifact and just walk all over everything, the powerless wimp mobs flee in terror from you, and then suddenly the artifacts get taken away by The Plot and you have to pick up a grey piece of shit off the ground and struggle against the former wimp mobs. Make it a little more interesting than just "here's your standard issue new expansion green gear that invalidates everything but the last raid tier of the previous expansion"
This is good, artifact or no
wait I've got a better pitch: what if the artifacts were corrupted
I know it's corrupted, say the paladins, what do you think I spent all that time fishing for!?
survival should be about pets putting howl and bleed debuffs that your melee attacks get dmg boosts from
I looked at the top parses for survival hunters in tomb. A significant number of them are running a pair of pants called "roots of shaladrassil" For people who dont play the mail wearing classes, these pants are a mail-users legendary whose effect heals you for 3% hp every second.
I thought this was both hilarious and stupid, because it means that the non-class specific, non-spec specific, and non-dps legendary is the second best legendary for survival.
BUT, then I realized it means the survivability legendary is a survival hunters legendary, and it fits their class fantasy really well.
Survival hunters should have their kits retooled around never dying, and should just become tanks. It's clear that blizzard doesnt know what to do with them, AND we dont have a mail tank yet.
I would really like that actually
they could do interesting tank mechanics that involving your pet, like some sort of mitigation where your pet takes hits or part of hits for you?? let's brainstorm survival hunter tanking mechanics, there are no bad ideas here
I would really like that actually
they could do interesting tank mechanics that involving your pet, like some sort of mitigation where your pet takes hits or part of hits for you?? let's brainstorm survival hunter tanking mechanics, there are no bad ideas here
aspect of the turtle becomes their 50% damage reduction CD. Or even keeps its current functionality, which is hyper strong to begin with.
Add new defensives based around avoiding damage rather than taking it in the first place. AKA bring back dodge tanking.
Alternatively, some sort of spirit bond type style where a portion of the damage you take is offloaded into your pet. And then over the course of the fight you heal your pet using particular abilities + mend pet etc.
survival should be about pets putting howl and bleed debuffs that your melee attacks get dmg boosts from
I looked at the top parses for survival hunters in tomb. A significant number of them are running a pair of pants called "roots of shaladrassil" For people who dont play the mail wearing classes, these pants are a mail-users legendary whose effect heals you for 3% hp every second.
I thought this was both hilarious and stupid, because it means that the non-class specific, non-spec specific, and non-dps legendary is the second best legendary for survival.
BUT, then I realized it means the survivability legendary is a survival hunters legendary, and it fits their class fantasy really well.
Survival hunters should have their kits retooled around never dying, and should just become tanks. It's clear that blizzard doesnt know what to do with them, AND we dont have a mail tank yet.
They should have done this with every class that couldn't fill multiple roles
3 flavors of DPS is not nearly as useful as being also able to heal or tank if a group needs it, they didn't even bother making up a second dumb DPS spec for Demon Hunters they just made them a two spec class!
survival should be about pets putting howl and bleed debuffs that your melee attacks get dmg boosts from
I looked at the top parses for survival hunters in tomb. A significant number of them are running a pair of pants called "roots of shaladrassil" For people who dont play the mail wearing classes, these pants are a mail-users legendary whose effect heals you for 3% hp every second.
I thought this was both hilarious and stupid, because it means that the non-class specific, non-spec specific, and non-dps legendary is the second best legendary for survival.
BUT, then I realized it means the survivability legendary is a survival hunters legendary, and it fits their class fantasy really well.
Survival hunters should have their kits retooled around never dying, and should just become tanks. It's clear that blizzard doesnt know what to do with them, AND we dont have a mail tank yet.
They should have done this with every class that couldn't fill multiple roles
3 flavors of DPS is not nearly as useful as being also able to heal or tank if a group needs it, they didn't even bother making up a second dumb DPS spec for Demon Hunters they just made them a two spec class!
Ion or Celestalon said in an interview that if they had to do it all over again, they'd make a lot more 2-spec classes. They even mentioned the desire to have pruned a few specs for the Legion revamp, but they knew that it would be a very unpopular strategy. I think they've got a point--managing 36 unique specs certainly isn't easy, 30 or 28 would be mean you've got less overlap and the specs that do remain become more compelling as they absorb the best abilities from the removed ones.
They also need to stop making new tanks, we do not need more tanks. We need another healing spec or three, and ranged DPS. #TimeMageHealer #ChiThrowerMonk
survival should be about pets putting howl and bleed debuffs that your melee attacks get dmg boosts from
I looked at the top parses for survival hunters in tomb. A significant number of them are running a pair of pants called "roots of shaladrassil" For people who dont play the mail wearing classes, these pants are a mail-users legendary whose effect heals you for 3% hp every second.
I thought this was both hilarious and stupid, because it means that the non-class specific, non-spec specific, and non-dps legendary is the second best legendary for survival.
BUT, then I realized it means the survivability legendary is a survival hunters legendary, and it fits their class fantasy really well.
Survival hunters should have their kits retooled around never dying, and should just become tanks. It's clear that blizzard doesnt know what to do with them, AND we dont have a mail tank yet.
They should have done this with every class that couldn't fill multiple roles
3 flavors of DPS is not nearly as useful as being also able to heal or tank if a group needs it, they didn't even bother making up a second dumb DPS spec for Demon Hunters they just made them a two spec class!
Ion or Celestalon said in an interview that if they had to do it all over again, they'd make a lot more 2-spec classes. They even mentioned the desire to have pruned a few specs for the Legion revamp, but they knew that it would be a very unpopular strategy. I think they've got a point--managing 36 unique specs certainly isn't easy, 30 or 28 would be mean you've got less overlap and the specs that do remain become more compelling as they absorb the best abilities from the removed ones.
They also need to stop making new tanks, we do not need more tanks. We need another healing spec or three, and ranged DPS. #TimeMageHealer #ChiThrowerMonk
Blizzard falsely assumed for a long time that more classes that could play a role would mean more people would play that role. They are mistaken.
I would really like that actually
they could do interesting tank mechanics that involving your pet, like some sort of mitigation where your pet takes hits or part of hits for you?? let's brainstorm survival hunter tanking mechanics, there are no bad ideas here
I would really like that actually
they could do interesting tank mechanics that involving your pet, like some sort of mitigation where your pet takes hits or part of hits for you?? let's brainstorm survival hunter tanking mechanics, there are no bad ideas here
throw the entire hunter class into the sun
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so I guess we're stuck with 2
"Whoops, it was fake/corrupted/actuallyadragon"
But dont worry, she's enchanted this random green sword she found and its just as strong as the ashbringer was.
soul leech is a hell of a drug
and affliction uses drain soul as part of their normal damage rotation on top of that
If I were handling the design of that, I'd make it so you do the first bit of the 8.0 expansion introduction stuff with your artifact and just walk all over everything, the powerless wimp mobs flee in terror from you, and then suddenly the artifacts get taken away by The Plot and you have to pick up a grey piece of shit off the ground and struggle against the former wimp mobs. Make it a little more interesting than just "here's your standard issue new expansion green gear that invalidates everything but the last raid tier of the previous expansion"
affliction also gets healed when other players use that particular warlock's healthstones
dont use health potions, save a warlock
I tested this, you actually get healed by party/raid members using healthstones from any warlock, it doesn't care who made it.
Not that affliction locks have trouble healing themselves even without that. They're probably better at self-healing than actual healer specs. So probably don't bother using healthstones over potions just to heal affliction locks who don't really care about the extra health anyway.
They get thrown in the trash and survival is turned into a shitty ranged spec again
They really want to make survival hunter all about traps.
But traps are bad because it takes forever to use them (there's still no smartcast!) and they have a massive travel time + also they need to be activated if you miss the shot. That in combination with them doing shit damage...
blizz has no idea what they want to do with survival but right now it's just plain bad.
Most theories say that we'll lose our artifacts fighting the final boss of the expac, sacrificing their power for victory.
But one guy was like "what if we absorb the power into ourselves" and that makes a lot of sense. It'd give us a reason to have the abilities/traits after the weapon is gone, and wave away the new-green-being-stronger game mechanic.
(it took me a while to find this song because of the stupid fucking imagine dragons song)
The other option besides "quick, everyone throw them into the fire to save the world!" is to Prestige the weapon in the next expansion (or 'reforge' or some other macguffin to "totally unlock its power even further"), but the relics and traits are all wiped and it gets set to ilvl 1000 with some new progression mechanic. Then start dumping more cosmetic options on us or maybe ways to transfer that power into another weapon.
And fuck Blizz if they think my priest is giving up the knaifu. We've bonded.
survival was one of the top dps specs for most of nighthold progression, especially for guldan, and remained competitive basically until 7.2.5
I know it was tuned strong in nighthold, but it SUCKS ASS to actually play
This is good, artifact or no
wait I've got a better pitch: what if the artifacts were corrupted
I know it's corrupted, say the paladins, what do you think I spent all that time fishing for!?
All the more reason to open a Lucy style the Doctor is In clinic for healing potions during a raid
there's a spec that roars and puts blood debuffs on
it's called feral
Whether or not that lasts, we'll see
I looked at the top parses for survival hunters in tomb. A significant number of them are running a pair of pants called "roots of shaladrassil" For people who dont play the mail wearing classes, these pants are a mail-users legendary whose effect heals you for 3% hp every second.
I thought this was both hilarious and stupid, because it means that the non-class specific, non-spec specific, and non-dps legendary is the second best legendary for survival.
BUT, then I realized it means the survivability legendary is a survival hunters legendary, and it fits their class fantasy really well.
Survival hunters should have their kits retooled around never dying, and should just become tanks. It's clear that blizzard doesnt know what to do with them, AND we dont have a mail tank yet.
they could do interesting tank mechanics that involving your pet, like some sort of mitigation where your pet takes hits or part of hits for you?? let's brainstorm survival hunter tanking mechanics, there are no bad ideas here
aspect of the turtle becomes their 50% damage reduction CD. Or even keeps its current functionality, which is hyper strong to begin with.
Add new defensives based around avoiding damage rather than taking it in the first place. AKA bring back dodge tanking.
Alternatively, some sort of spirit bond type style where a portion of the damage you take is offloaded into your pet. And then over the course of the fight you heal your pet using particular abilities + mend pet etc.
They should have done this with every class that couldn't fill multiple roles
3 flavors of DPS is not nearly as useful as being also able to heal or tank if a group needs it, they didn't even bother making up a second dumb DPS spec for Demon Hunters they just made them a two spec class!
Ion or Celestalon said in an interview that if they had to do it all over again, they'd make a lot more 2-spec classes. They even mentioned the desire to have pruned a few specs for the Legion revamp, but they knew that it would be a very unpopular strategy. I think they've got a point--managing 36 unique specs certainly isn't easy, 30 or 28 would be mean you've got less overlap and the specs that do remain become more compelling as they absorb the best abilities from the removed ones.
They also need to stop making new tanks, we do not need more tanks. We need another healing spec or three, and ranged DPS. #TimeMageHealer #ChiThrowerMonk
Blizzard falsely assumed for a long time that more classes that could play a role would mean more people would play that role. They are mistaken.
give me all your dbz ripoff named attacks
[Corpse Shield]
throw the entire hunter class into the sun
put me in coach