Got my statement written up and am on hold with Sen. Murkowski's office now. After that Sen. Sullivan.
Then I get to go pee into a cup to check for microscopic blood in my urine. Yay!
EDIT: Got through to Murkowski after about 15 minutes. Sounds like they're slammed and the official word was "No official stance, but we have some serious concerns"
Instantly got through on Sullivan's line, so I guess nobody is bothering to speak to him. No official stance either "We're still combing through the bill" (Well gee, maybe you need more time to figure out what's in it!)
Let this be a lesson; call your Senators even IF they deep, deep red. Writing them off already definitely won't change anything.
Are you gunna call again tomorrow? Or maybe the next day?
I would keep calling throughout the week. If the pressure lets up on this over time...
Edit: Speaking of which, I should call my congresscritters again and tell them to keep up the pressure against this like they have been.
Got my statement written up and am on hold with Sen. Murkowski's office now. After that Sen. Sullivan.
Then I get to go pee into a cup to check for microscopic blood in my urine. Yay!
EDIT: Got through to Murkowski after about 15 minutes. Sounds like they're slammed and the official word was "No official stance, but we have some serious concerns"
Instantly got through on Sullivan's line, so I guess nobody is bothering to speak to him. No official stance either "We're still combing through the bill" (Well gee, maybe you need more time to figure out what's in it!)
Let this be a lesson; call your Senators even IF they deep, deep red. Writing them off already definitely won't change anything.
Are you gunna call again tomorrow? Or maybe the next day?
I would keep calling throughout the week. If the pressure lets up on this over time...
Edit: Speaking of which, I should call my congresscritters again and tell them to keep up the pressure against this like they have been.
They have my name and address in a database. I imagine they'll know if it's the same people calling about the same issue and I'd just be tying up the phone line for others at that point.
U.S. Senate Republicans on Monday released changes to their healthcare bill, including a six-month waiting period for people who have let their insurance coverage lapse for over 63 days — about two months — and want to get insured again.
The change appeared aimed at deterring people from dropping health insurance to begin with, a concern that arose in part because the bill cancels the monetary penalty for being uninsured under the current law, known commonly as Obamacare.
This is onerous, not much of a deterrent against dropping coverage for young and healthy people, and might also discourage them for trying to get insurance again if they drop it because there will be no immediate change of status.
It's the worst of both worlds, and an extra shitty world added.
U.S. Senate Republicans on Monday released changes to their healthcare bill, including a six-month waiting period for people who have let their insurance coverage lapse for over 63 days — about two months — and want to get insured again.
The change appeared aimed at deterring people from dropping health insurance to begin with, a concern that arose in part because the bill cancels the monetary penalty for being uninsured under the current law, known commonly as Obamacare.
This is onerous, not much of a deterrent against dropping coverage for young and healthy people, and might also discourage them for trying to get insurance again if they drop it because there will be no immediate change of status.
It's the worst of both worlds, and an extra shitty world added.
Considering that the AHCA also drops subsidies 15% and the CBO report said that they saw insurance companies increasing premiums by 20%, it's just more "Kick the poor while they're down" mentality.
Premiums are going to rise. Okay, they were going to rise anyways. But since the ACA insurance premiums have risen slower than any other time over the previous two decades. The AHCA is going to see premiums rise higher than under the ACA and the government is going to help out with them less. Meaning that the out-of-pocket cost before you use insurance is going to go up higher. Now they want to make it so that if you don't keep that insurance that you can no longer afford, you can't get it back in any reasonable amount of time later.
The new AHCA. The H is for Homicide.
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Kind of feel like they've dropped the fig leaf of reconciliation at this point. They get to 50, they'll get the bill through, that's about it.
As I understand it, this would open up actions Senate Ds could take in response, potentially challenging stuff in court (see Blunt's comment near the bottom). Tho it depends on the specifics of how it was added, maybe?
The more I read about the reconciliation process the less I understand it.* The intent of it is clear, but the specifics seem incredibly murky. It might not even need to be revenue neutral in this instance, just not increase the deficit.
* I expect McConnell fully understands it, however.
- 22 million fewer people would have coverage under the bill in 2026
- CBO projected the bill would reduce the federal deficit by $321 million, more than the $119 million in savings in the House bill. To qualify under Senate rules, the BCRA was required to cut more from he deficit than the AHCA
If you put a person in a room with a button and told them that if you push it 14 million people lose health insurance pretty much immediately, 10's of thousands would die... nobody could actually do that... And if they did they'd be monsters.
And this is 51 people getting together and all agreeing to slam that mother fucking button while 48 beg them not to (and 2 vote no to save their own asses)
And this is 51 people getting together and all agreeing to slam that mother fucking button while 48 beg them not to (and 2 vote no to save their own asses)
You don't understand, people who are already very very very rich will save 2% on their tax bill. Anything is worth that, clearly.
And this is 51 people getting together and all agreeing to slam that mother fucking button while 48 beg them not to (and 2 vote no to save their own asses)
There is something in the heads of each and every one of these people that justifies them pushing the button. They don't consider poor people to be of value, they consider their wealth to be the equivalent of divine right, they believe they are superior and so actions that benefit them are morally right, etc, etc, etc.
It's really easy to be a monster. All it takes is a belief that the "other" is sub-human.
ACA had penalties if companies didn't offer coverage at certain sizes for full time workers.
I imagine those are gone as fuck.
Oh ok that makes sense then.
The higher budget deficit savings will give the GOP more room to work with to convert moderates, but they have 4 more days to do that if they want it by the recess.
If you put a person in a room with a button and told them that if you push it 14 million people lose health insurance pretty much immediately, 10's of thousands would die... nobody could actually do that... And if they did they'd be monsters.
I think any Republican Senator who uses the word "concerned" should be whapped with a rolled up newspaper.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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McConnell amended the BABAdook or whatever this bill's abbreviation is, today.
Specifically, he added a penalty to people who are uninsured. If you go 63 days without insurance, you have to wait six months before you can get insurance again. I can't even wrap my head around that shit.
McConnell amended the BABAdook or whatever this bill's abbreviation is, today.
Specifically, he added a penalty to people who are uninsured. If you go 63 days without insurance, you have to wait six months before you can get insurance again. I can't even wrap my head around that shit.
Why doesn't Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield just stick a giant needle in my spinal cord and take out all the fluid they need for mixing the signature cocktail for the uberwealthy, it'll be quicker and less painful
22 million is laughable, if it weren't so fucking scary
22 million! Good job guys! You shaved off 2 million insurance losses. You're really taking this seriously.
Hahaha, the dishonestly here is hilarious. It's budget neutral because they assume the "cadillac tax" will be reinstated in 2026.
Oh does the CBO still have to accept whatever random things they stipulate?
That's what the legislation says, so yeah. If we assume we're not all pants on head stupid, then obviously the thing is a budgetary mess because spoilers cutting taxes is bad for the deficit.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
I don't know that it's necessarily a feature, they need these people to vote republican to keep them in power. They just don't care about them in any way shape or form beyond that, and they expect that the media they consume will keep the blame on Obama and the democrats.
I called both Senators. Told Gardner he needs to not only vote against it but speak out against it. Told Bennett he needed to get Gardner to vote against it and speak out against it, and also thanks for his vote against it.
Gardner has really dropped off the radar with this and it's sad. Seemed like I wasn't the only one out there blowing up his phone though. Took me 4 tries to get through to his answering machine.
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Pubs still gunna try to pass it
You don't say!
Are you gunna call again tomorrow? Or maybe the next day?
I would keep calling throughout the week. If the pressure lets up on this over time...
Edit: Speaking of which, I should call my congresscritters again and tell them to keep up the pressure against this like they have been.
They have my name and address in a database. I imagine they'll know if it's the same people calling about the same issue and I'd just be tying up the phone line for others at that point.
Also, CBO score this afternoon.
This is onerous, not much of a deterrent against dropping coverage for young and healthy people, and might also discourage them for trying to get insurance again if they drop it because there will be no immediate change of status.
It's the worst of both worlds, and an extra shitty world added.
Kind of feel like they've dropped the fig leaf of reconciliation at this point. They get to 50, they'll get the bill through, that's about it.
Considering that the AHCA also drops subsidies 15% and the CBO report said that they saw insurance companies increasing premiums by 20%, it's just more "Kick the poor while they're down" mentality.
Premiums are going to rise. Okay, they were going to rise anyways. But since the ACA insurance premiums have risen slower than any other time over the previous two decades. The AHCA is going to see premiums rise higher than under the ACA and the government is going to help out with them less. Meaning that the out-of-pocket cost before you use insurance is going to go up higher. Now they want to make it so that if you don't keep that insurance that you can no longer afford, you can't get it back in any reasonable amount of time later.
The new AHCA. The H is for Homicide.
The more I read about the reconciliation process the less I understand it.* The intent of it is clear, but the specifics seem incredibly murky. It might not even need to be revenue neutral in this instance, just not increase the deficit.
* I expect McConnell fully understands it, however.
- 22 million fewer people would have coverage under the bill in 2026
- CBO projected the bill would reduce the federal deficit by $321 million, more than the $119 million in savings in the House bill. To qualify under Senate rules, the BCRA was required to cut more from he deficit than the AHCA
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But overall, pretty much the same except people ramp off the exchanges even faster under the Senate bill.
If you put a person in a room with a button and told them that if you push it 14 million people lose health insurance pretty much immediately, 10's of thousands would die... nobody could actually do that... And if they did they'd be monsters.
You don't understand, people who are already very very very rich will save 2% on their tax bill. Anything is worth that, clearly.
I imagine those are gone as fuck.
There is something in the heads of each and every one of these people that justifies them pushing the button. They don't consider poor people to be of value, they consider their wealth to be the equivalent of divine right, they believe they are superior and so actions that benefit them are morally right, etc, etc, etc.
It's really easy to be a monster. All it takes is a belief that the "other" is sub-human.
Oh ok that makes sense then.
The higher budget deficit savings will give the GOP more room to work with to convert moderates, but they have 4 more days to do that if they want it by the recess.
*Because less stuff is covered, but details
EDIT: Also out of pocket costs will still go up. There's your counter to the main GOP talking point which is going to be "lower premiums!"
I think any Republican Senator who uses the word "concerned" should be whapped with a rolled up newspaper.
Specifically, he added a penalty to people who are uninsured. If you go 63 days without insurance, you have to wait six months before you can get insurance again. I can't even wrap my head around that shit.
Source.
It does not even solve the actual issue.
Why doesn't Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield just stick a giant needle in my spinal cord and take out all the fluid they need for mixing the signature cocktail for the uberwealthy, it'll be quicker and less painful
22 million is laughable, if it weren't so fucking scary
22 million! Good job guys! You shaved off 2 million insurance losses. You're really taking this seriously.
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No, the extremely wealthy will pay less taxes. That's the issue they are trying to solve.
Killing poor people is a feature, not a bug
Oh does the CBO still have to accept whatever random things they stipulate?
That's what the legislation says, so yeah. If we assume we're not all pants on head stupid, then obviously the thing is a budgetary mess because spoilers cutting taxes is bad for the deficit.
I don't know that it's necessarily a feature, they need these people to vote republican to keep them in power. They just don't care about them in any way shape or form beyond that, and they expect that the media they consume will keep the blame on Obama and the democrats.
Gardner has really dropped off the radar with this and it's sad. Seemed like I wasn't the only one out there blowing up his phone though. Took me 4 tries to get through to his answering machine.