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Marvel [MCU] Infinity War trailer DOES put a smile on my face

Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered User regular
edited November 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
MAHVEL did you know its good and I like it?

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Spider-man comes home on July 7th! Trailer

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Netflix's street level losers team up to become Defenders on August 28th! Trailer

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Thor faces Ragnarok on November 3rd! Trailer

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Black Panther's hometown of Wakanda is discovered February 16th 2018! Trailer

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and the beginning of the end, Infinity War is out May 4th 2018...

SPOILER POLICY! Anything up to Civil War is considered fair game, mark spoilers for Doctor Strange onward and be extra careful about Spider-man Homecoming. Anything that's not in a trailer goes in a spoiler box, clearly marked please <3

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Considering what the Russo's have done, I'm engorged thinking about Infinity War.

  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    *Pulled from the last page of the last thread*
    Dunno why people are getting the impression Spidey is underpowered in the MCU, he handily stops not just Bucky taking a swing, he also instantly brings a car going 30-40 miles an hour to a stop with no real effort. And in the Homecoming trailers, we see him keeping a
    split-in-half ferry from falling completely apart by sheer muscle power.
    Plus, he was holding up the weight of an entire airline jet bridge at one point, and that's going to weigh something like 10-20 tons and puts his strength right in line with the comics.

    He is definitely plenty strong in the MCU, but we've only seen him briefly in one movie in a fight that didn't have anybody's lives on the line and he had explicit orders to just get in the way.

    Spider-Man is one of those characters that can effectively pull off The World of Cardboard trope. That he is potentially so strong he could accidentally hurt someone or destroy something if he happens to sneeze while holding something/someone. I think in those comic book power charts Marvel used to post at the end of trade paperbacks. Peter Parker (616) is roughly estimated to have a 10-30 ton level of strength level. Factoring in his acrobatics and super-natural reflexes. Despite the fact he is not professionally trained, he can hold his own in a fight against a lot of close combat fighters. Which is why they tend to hurt him in fights before the hand to hand starts. If anything, MCU Spider-Man is not under powered in the MCU. He is just under trained. He could probably rip Iron Man and Warmachine out of their armor if he gets his hands on them. He can dodge Thor and lay in some good level strikes for a time. If he didn't use the webbing he could go toe to toe with Panther and what he lacks in training he makes up with speed.

    Really out of all the Avengers I'd say Hulk, Vision, and Wanda are the ones Spider-Man couldn't fight. Sure he can be tripped up and if the situation is stacked against him the others could beat him. And honestly I hope that is kinda the direction the movies take him in. He has all the power and potential to be a world class hero. But his youth and inexperience is what holds him back. By the time we get to the Sinister Six movie should be the moment that Peter grows up and shows exactly what a Spider can do.

    This was one of my favorite parts of superior Spider-Man, when ock on his first run out accidentally almost kills a c list villain by one punching him.

    Immediately realized how much Peter held back all those years

    I felt Superior Spider-Man did an excellent job showing what Peter could do if he cut lose. Otto was much more cruel with the application of spider strength. And that holy crap he was holding back all these years moment was excellent. By the end of the series you could feel that Otto started truly respecting his long time rival.

  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    edited June 2017
    *Pulled from the last page of the last thread*
    Quid wrote: »
    Pailryder wrote: »
    at some point, tony should have realized how stupid it all was. if someone that was space-faring wanted to conquer earth, it doesn't matter how many robots you have, the space race is gonna zap you from space and annihilate your defenses. Why wasn't he building a moon base?!?

    How do we know he isn't?

    Possible Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy cross over?

    Tony meets The Watchers, seen listening to and walking away from Stan Lee.

    Also, in the absence of both Fantastic Four and Magneto's space bases? Oh yeah, what the heck is stopping Ironman if he has suits capable of taking on Hulk sitting in orbit? He is way past solving the icing problem at this point, dude is straight up potentially one of the first space faring privately owned corporations in the MCU who knows that time/space bending wormholes are not only possible, he's been through one - that's potentially HUGE.

    Actually, they are kinda lucky Ultron was so small minded with his drop a rock plan, imagine if that hive mind of robots started opening portals or space based ventures? So lucky.

    Oh wait ... Iron knows that aliens have not only visited earth but are taking an active role in protecting it (see: Asgard) and he wants badly to get a look at their tech... No way Tony isn't actively hunting for a Guardians of the Galaxy style crashed ship or other artifacts, especially Asgardian, kicking around the planet. And some of the files he as stolen from others like SHIELD may have had some leads on that...

    I think its a safe bet that Iron Man(s) is already secretly on the moon, if not a few Lagrange points and maybe even orbiting Mars or Venus at this point. Just wait till he figures out portals...

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    They're also using comic book logic/science. Species with starships will land troops to conquer a planet instead of blowing up a world's government and military installations from the other side of the solar system by throwing asteroids at it.

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    They're also using comic book logic/science. Species with starships will land troops to conquer a planet instead of blowing up a world's government and military installations from the other side of the solar system by throwing asteroids at it.

    The problem with dropping rocks is that it tends to leave the planet uninhabitable.
    Sure, that may not be a concern for some species, but habitable planets would seem likely to be highly sought after resources, and just destroying a biosphere because the big green guy is kind of scary and that dude has like a dozen suits of powered armor sitting around seems kind of wasteful.

    Plus, humans might be a delicacy or provide adequate slave labor or army conscripts. Would seem to be a shame to wipe out such a potentially valuable resource.

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    They're also using comic book logic/science. Species with starships will land troops to conquer a planet instead of blowing up a world's government and military installations from the other side of the solar system by throwing asteroids at it.

    The problem with dropping rocks is that it tends to leave the planet uninhabitable.
    Sure, that may not be a concern for some species, but habitable planets would seem likely to be highly sought after resources, and just destroying a biosphere because the big green guy is kind of scary and that dude has like a dozen suits of powered armor sitting around seems kind of wasteful.

    Plus, humans might be a delicacy or provide adequate slave labor or army conscripts. Would seem to be a shame to wipe out such a potentially valuable resource.

    So you use smaller rocks. It's entirely doable. (right until rockets with iron man tech start being a thing, which would happen pretty damn quick)

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Rocks aren't free, Citizen.

  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    Yo iron man could definitely build a pretty sick spaceship

    Bro's got a lot of money

    Wtf is going on with that

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Yo iron man could definitely build a pretty sick spaceship

    Bro's got a lot of money

    Wtf is going on with that

    Well, Avengers 3 is probably gonna start crossing the GOTG types with the earth-bound types so maybe we will see Stark pull a spaceship from his ass as a big reveal during one of those movies.

    "Oh yeah, just a little thing I've been working on in my spare time."

    Totally seems his style.

  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    Iron Man has suits to stop Hulk?

    ha ... ha ha ha

    The Hulk has limitless strength. You don't stop Banner with force, you stop him with puppies. Also, Banner subconsciously limits the Hulk. Thankfully, Hulk doesn't want to actually condense Tony into the size of a can of soup and then punt him into the next Galaxy.

  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    *Pulled from the last page of the last thread*
    Quid wrote: »
    Pailryder wrote: »
    at some point, tony should have realized how stupid it all was. if someone that was space-faring wanted to conquer earth, it doesn't matter how many robots you have, the space race is gonna zap you from space and annihilate your defenses. Why wasn't he building a moon base?!?

    How do we know he isn't?

    Possible Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy cross over?

    Tony meets The Watchers, seen listening to and walking away from Stan Lee.

    Also, in the absence of both Fantastic Four and Magneto's space bases? Oh yeah, what the heck is stopping Ironman if he has suits capable of taking on Hulk sitting in orbit? He is way past solving the icing problem at this point, dude is straight up potentially one of the first space faring privately owned corporations in the MCU who knows that time/space bending wormholes are not only possible, he's been through one - that's potentially HUGE.

    Actually, they are kinda lucky Ultron was so small minded with his drop a rock plan, imagine if that hive mind of robots started opening portals or space based ventures? So lucky.

    Oh wait ... Iron knows that aliens have not only visited earth but are taking an active role in protecting it (see: Asgard) and he wants badly to get a look at their tech... No way Tony isn't actively hunting for a Guardians of the Galaxy style crashed ship or other artifacts, especially Asgardian, kicking around the planet. And some of the files he as stolen from others like SHIELD may have had some leads on that...

    I think its a safe bet that Iron Man(s) is already secretly on the moon, if not a few Lagrange points and maybe even orbiting Mars or Venus at this point. Just wait till he figures out portals...

    REALLY BIG SPOILERS LIE WITHIN
    THEY'RE ABOUT AGENTS OF SHIELD
    Season 4 ends with Coulson on a space station you could see an asteroid belt from meaning it's not in Earth orbit. Everyone's money is on this being a S.W.O.R.D. outpost or something very much like S.W.O.R.D. so it's looking like the MCU has this all covered already :D

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Iron Man has suits to stop Hulk?

    ha ... ha ha ha

    The Hulk has limitless strength. You don't stop Banner with force, you stop him with puppies. Also, Banner subconsciously limits the Hulk. Thankfully, Hulk doesn't want to actually condense Tony into the size of a can of soup and then punt him into the next Galaxy.

    That's comic Hulk, the power levels in the MCU aren't where nearly insane. Hulk isn't going to break planets in half any time soon.

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Rocks aren't free, Citizen.

    Deeeeep cuts

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    see317 wrote: »
    They're also using comic book logic/science. Species with starships will land troops to conquer a planet instead of blowing up a world's government and military installations from the other side of the solar system by throwing asteroids at it.

    The problem with dropping rocks is that it tends to leave the planet uninhabitable.
    Sure, that may not be a concern for some species, but habitable planets would seem likely to be highly sought after resources, and just destroying a biosphere because the big green guy is kind of scary and that dude has like a dozen suits of powered armor sitting around seems kind of wasteful.

    Plus, humans might be a delicacy or provide adequate slave labor or army conscripts. Would seem to be a shame to wipe out such a potentially valuable resource.

    So you use smaller rocks. It's entirely doable. (right until rockets with iron man tech start being a thing, which would happen pretty damn quick)

    Except at some point, the smaller rocks are going to be small enough to burn up in atmosphere, or be deflected off their precision course by the atmosphere. Sure, there's got to be an ideal sized rock where it's big enough to get through the atmosphere and maintain it's course and still possess sufficient kinetic energy to have an impact that's going to take out a hardened military facility (Hey, is NORAD still buried under a mountain?) but not be big enough to render the entire planet an uninhabitable, unusable hellscape.

    But, by the time you find (or make) those rocks, send them on their way, then wait for them to impact (or be intercepted) from the other side of the solar system, why not just enter high orbit and bombard the planet's military installations with whatever space magic guns you've got on board then send in the troops?

  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Iron Man has suits to stop Hulk?

    ha ... ha ha ha

    The Hulk has limitless strength. You don't stop Banner with force, you stop him with puppies. Also, Banner subconsciously limits the Hulk. Thankfully, Hulk doesn't want to actually condense Tony into the size of a can of soup and then punt him into the next Galaxy.

    Tony stopped him in AoU. Had to drop a building on him, but still. And just this very second I'm wondering what Ross has said to Tony regarding this.

    It's interesting to note that Tony has never defeated the Hulk in the comics.

  • AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Iron Man has suits to stop Hulk?

    ha ... ha ha ha

    The Hulk has limitless strength. You don't stop Banner with force, you stop him with puppies. Also, Banner subconsciously limits the Hulk. Thankfully, Hulk doesn't want to actually condense Tony into the size of a can of soup and then punt him into the next Galaxy.

    Tony stopped him in AoU. Had to drop a building on him, but still. And just this very second I'm wondering what Ross has said to Tony regarding this.

    It's interesting to note that Tony has never defeated the Hulk in the comics.

    The building was under construction, evacuated, AND Tony bought it so he took the loss. My guess is Ross said little about it.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited June 2017
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Iron Man has suits to stop Hulk?

    ha ... ha ha ha

    The Hulk has limitless strength. You don't stop Banner with force, you stop him with puppies. Also, Banner subconsciously limits the Hulk. Thankfully, Hulk doesn't want to actually condense Tony into the size of a can of soup and then punt him into the next Galaxy.

    Tony stopped him in AoU. Had to drop a building on him, but still. And just this very second I'm wondering what Ross has said to Tony regarding this.

    It's interesting to note that Tony has never defeated the Hulk in the comics.

    The building was under construction, evacuated, AND Tony bought it so he took the loss. My guess is Ross said little about it.

    That's probably a big reason Ross got along with Tony so easily compared to how they meet the first time.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    I get the distaste many here have for AoU, but "how quickly can we buy this building?" still makes me laugh, and the Hulkbuster sequence in its entirety is one I really enjoy.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Iron Man has suits to stop Hulk?

    ha ... ha ha ha

    The Hulk has limitless strength. You don't stop Banner with force, you stop him with puppies. Also, Banner subconsciously limits the Hulk. Thankfully, Hulk doesn't want to actually condense Tony into the size of a can of soup and then punt him into the next Galaxy.

    Tony stopped him in AoU. Had to drop a building on him, but still. And just this very second I'm wondering what Ross has said to Tony regarding this.

    It's interesting to note that Tony has never defeated the Hulk in the comics.

    The building was under construction, evacuated, AND Tony bought it so he took the loss. My guess is Ross said little about it.

    That's probably a big reason Ross got along with Tony so easily compared to how they meet the first time.

    Well, the first time he got into a fight with Tony and Tony bought the bar he was drinking at.

  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Er... this is apparently the Spider-Man Homecoming IMAX poster. All the marketing for this film seems to be a lesson in what not to do.
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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    I mean thats a joke right?

    I can't tell anymore...

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Er... this is apparently the Spider-Man Homecoming IMAX poster. All the marketing for this film seems to be a lesson in what not to do.
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    Normally when I see a bad movie poster I can at least kind of see what they're going for, like there's some hint of a good idea somewhere that got beaten to death by a committee.
    But I'm just not seeing it here.

  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Er... this is apparently the Spider-Man Homecoming IMAX poster. All the marketing for this film seems to be a lesson in what not to do.
    19424308_10154765771277081_857786285637909185_n.jpg?oh=d7e757b0133cecbce9140cac0fb183e5&oe=59CE5764

    Normally when I see a bad movie poster I can at least kind of see what they're going for, like there's some hint of a good idea somewhere that got beaten to death by a committee.
    But I'm just not seeing it here.

    I think its supposed to be like if a kid decorated his notebook/locker with stickers and drawing and stuff.

    But it just looks horrible

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    see317 wrote: »
    Er... this is apparently the Spider-Man Homecoming IMAX poster. All the marketing for this film seems to be a lesson in what not to do.
    19424308_10154765771277081_857786285637909185_n.jpg?oh=d7e757b0133cecbce9140cac0fb183e5&oe=59CE5764

    Normally when I see a bad movie poster I can at least kind of see what they're going for, like there's some hint of a good idea somewhere that got beaten to death by a committee.
    But I'm just not seeing it here.

    I think its supposed to be like if a kid decorated his notebook/locker with stickers and drawing and stuff.

    But it just looks horrible

    It's a paper book cover with stickers on it.

    Did you people never have to use paper book covers in class?

  • KPCKPC Registered User regular
    Looks like every covered text book I've ever encountered back in high school. Not sure if it is still a thing now though.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I know what it's trying to do. Don't mean it looks good.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I know what it's trying to do. Don't mean it looks good.

    Eh I don't mind it.

    Looks better than the previous one.

  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    Needs more Iron Man.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    It absolutely looks better than the other poster. That is not a high bar.

  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    My point about Ross and Tony is that Tony was SUCCESSFUL in defeating Hulk, and a really raged out one, too. I'm sure Ross hates Tony on a personal level, but I'm also sure Ross practically wets himself with anticipation for getting Stark tech to fight Hulk.

    Ross to Tony: "I hate you. I hate everything you've done. I had what you stand for. I hate your voice and I hate your face. But you stopped Banner, so as long as you play by the rules, I'm not going to lock you up forever."

    Tony: "I love you too."

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    I've never understood why either studio just doesn't make classy movie posters with real comic artists. Let JRjr or Bagley get up in on that, let them have some time to really capture the actors, hell let Adam Hughes or Sienkiewicz do the posters then.

  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    I wonder why Marvel (and DC for that matter) don't even try to interest people in the comics. It seems like a no brainer!

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Because the people who like Chris Evans probably aren't interested in seeing him as a nazi

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Because the people who like Chris Evans probably aren't interested in seeing him as a nazi

    Well its kind of a dumb fucking storyline anyway.

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    I wonder why Marvel (and DC for that matter) don't even try to interest people in the comics. It seems like a no brainer!

    Rather than trying to create stories that people brand new to the comics would be able to jump into, they're bouncing ideas for what might end up in the movies later down the line.

  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Because the people who like Chris Evans probably aren't interested in seeing him as a nazi

    Well its kind of a dumb fucking storyline anyway.

    Comic books love going off the deep end of a through line on a character every once in a while, huh?

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    I'd watch a "Chris Evans, Evil Dictator" if only to see him expand from 'stoic goodguy' roles

    also one of the things that's neat about the AoU hulkbuster is that (contra the comics) it seems designed to try and delay/distract/etc the hulk, rather than just beat on him

    (and it doesn't really succeed anyway, though I guess it occupies hulk until the mindfuck wears off)

    hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
    that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Marvel doesn't give a shit about the comics, they make them nothing compared to the movies. They're more a dumping ground for ideas than anything.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Marvel doesn't give a shit about the comics, they make them nothing compared to the movies. They're more a dumping ground for ideas than anything.

    Well, it is a bit easier to make a good stories with good characters when you can draw from something like 70 years of written stories and dump all the garbage.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    That poster looks like a poor imitation of the GotG 2 credits.

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