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  • mercurialchemistermercurialchemister Registered User regular
    Accidentally forgot to bring a dispel to the A+ fight, his proshellga never dropped off, mastered anyway. Edea BSB is a hell of a drug.

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Lots and lots of numbers for Cloud, trying to figure out a reasonably expect-able max damage in our glorious age of Cloud USB meta. Also at what point you should follow USB and EnWind with a second BSB2 entry vs. a second USB entry. Under spoilers since it's somewhere between raw data and stream of consciousness, but there's some handy numbers if you're doing your own calculations.
    Cloud:
    212 base ATK at level 99
    +20 for mastering USB and BSB2 (+10 more each for SSB, BSB1, LMR)
    +37 for completing all Record Spheres
    +40 for completing Legend Sphere
    309 base ATK with only his USB and BSB2 mastered and full Legend Dive

    USB has 172 base ATK without synergy, though ideally a weapon with +20% Wind damage would be superior if Cloud can get to soft cap without the extra attack from a 6* weapon
    Without synergy, a Bangle with +Wind probably has +26 ATK while Light Armor with +Wind probably has +17 ATK
    Realistically, an Accessory has +35, 45, or 53 ATK, with no synergy/+30 with synergy/+35 with synergy
    Going to assume Bangle and Accessory with ATK but no synergy, so +61 ATK. (Obviously would change if you needed Status Resist/Elemental Resist)
    Brings Cloud's ATK to 370

    Under Zack's Wind Chain (x1.5 ATK) and Burst mode (x1.2 ATK) (with no other buffs), Cloud needs 448 base ATK to hit 806 ATK (the soft cap). At this point Cloud only needs 78 ATK from his weapon to be at the soft cap, so definitely equip a weapon with +20% Wind if you have one, otherwise his Force Stealer is likely your best non-RS option available.

    N.B. with another +30% buff (Hailstorm, BSB2 C2, or OK BSB buff, for examples), Cloud would reach the ATK soft cap no matter what weapon he wielded.

    Various multipliers:
    +9% Physical from Legend Sphere
    +10% Physical from LM1

    +30% damage for weapon type Record Materia (Truthseeker, Wings Unfurled, etc.)

    +80/50% Wind damage on SBs/abilities under EnWind
    +20% Wind damage from weapon
    +20% Wind damage from armor
    +20% Wind damage from Chain field effect

    +X% damage from Chain bonus (increases per Wind hit)

    +20/40/60% damage from up to 3 stacks of Imperil Wind

    +30% Physical from EX: Soldier Mode

    Critical hits multiplier damage by 1.5. So +100% Critical hit rate is ~+50% damage
    Critical damage bonus increases the damage crits do to x2 from 1.5, for 2.0/1.5, or 4/3 or +33.3% extra damage

    -30% DEF 1/(.85)^.5 ~x1.08 damage
    -40% DEF 1/(.8)^.5 ~x1.12 damage
    -50% DEF 1/(.75)^.5 ~x1.15 damage
    -30 and 40% DEF 1/(.8*.85)^.5 ~x1.21 damage
    -30, 40 and 50% DEF 1/(.75*.8*.85)^.5 ~x1.4 damage

    USB entry 7.5/5 (1.5 per hit)
    BSB2 entry 6.64/8 (.83 per hit)

    Assuming Imperil 3 and Wind Chain 50%

    1.19 (physical LD boost)*1.3 (Weapon RM boost)*2.4 (Enwind+Weapon+Armor+Field)*1.5 (Chain)*1.6 (Imperil 3) *2 (Crit with Crit damage boost) = 1.19*1.3*2.4*1.5*1.6*2

    Long ass calculation with lots of assumptions:
    99999/(1.5*6000*1269^.5*1.19*1.3*2.2*1.5*2*2/(8403*.75*.8*.85)^.5)

    TL;DR: In the Bahamut's very weak phase, with max weakness from Imperils, a 50% Wind Chain and a Wind Boost armor, above 542 ATK it's more damage to cast Cloud's BSB2 entry rather than his USB

    Interesting note: 542 ATK is how much Cloud would have with Force Stealer, a Bangle with +Wind, and a +35 ATK accessory equipped, his USB and BSB2 mastered, and a full Legend Dive.

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  • MaytagMaytag Registered User regular
    3 pulls between me and my gf and we have yet to see a single BSB+
    At least there's no reason not to do another pull when mithril stocks are back up to 50

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited July 2017
    My Cloud setup is Shear Feather+++, Cid's Goggles+++, both reforged

    +40% wind damage and the actual weapon atk is irrelevant

    Beasteh on
  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Beasteh wrote: »
    My Cloud setup is Shear Feather+++, Cid's Goggles+++, both reforged

    +40% wind damage and the actual weapon atk is irrelevant

    Yeah that was my main takeaway as well. Cloud has so much attack after a Legend Dive that any weapon with +Wind is superior to any other weapon with more ATK, barring truly ludicrous levels of ATK.

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    I'm having slight regrets that I chose Squall first to legend dive but we will eventually get enough motes to dive our favourites so it's not a huge deal

    Got the trifecta of overpowered bullshit

    Cloud BSB2 + USB
    Lightning BSB2 + USB
    Squall BSB2

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2017
    That's why I don't spend motes; there's always someone more deserving down the line.

    I will admit to being jelly; I tried for and failed to obtain all of those.

    At least I have my finger to the pulse of the shifting meta, even if I can't participate.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I dunno, Squall's BSB2 is SO GOOD, I wouldn't regret diving him one bit.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I've been playing a lot less of this game lately, and I've missed completion on a lot of the difficulty 200+ battles. Multiplayer too. So I don't have a lot of motes.

    Ramza is my best RM/LM progress and I've got him about halfway through his legend page. I figure he will be a good investment, especially in 5 months when his BSB2 comes out with the new Shout command.

    Cloud isn't even done with his regular RM nodes and I'm out of 4* Vitality Motes. So I'm kinda stuck. Plus since Ramza is also physical, he has pretty much used up all of my 5* motes so even if I finish Cloud's default RM tree, he would still be stuck at the top of his LM tree.

  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    Torment 200 CM and 250 down, the latter thanks to me having 2/3 of the wombo combo (no native Cloud USB). His second BSB2 entry was for 60k per hit, and that was with only two imperil wind stacks.

    All hail Cloud Keeper, first of his name!

  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    I crushed the torment jump start with Cloud (having both of his things native) with no form of imperil or chain. I never even used my RW during the fight. I suspect I could probably drag two more FF3 characters along for the ride no problem, but I'm not gonna bother with that right now.

  • FryFry Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Wish I had a +wind weapon, I can "only" get Cloud up to 8x27k on his last BSB2 cast against a fully imperiled Bahamut, which I've found leaves me a little short if I haven't been judicious about applying other damage beforehand.

    Maybe I'll get lucky and hit Genji Glove T on one of the upcoming lucky draws, and that'll bail me out.

    Fry on
  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    These Jenova fights are harder than they have any right to be. They're just stupidly overtuned. Double hits for 2k+, and that's through a break, breakdown, and appropriate shield. I have a handful of good VII SB's, but no hastega. And I'm all but forced to take wall as the RW, not to mention Angeal if you want to take those hastes off, and you do. Granted this is the CM so it's harder than if I just took the perfect team instead, but still. Fucking dicks.

    Cloud though... I pasted him with the new glorious meta... but maybe I'm doing something wrong? I'm not getting the hilarious damage numbers. I had:

    -An 83 Sephiroth with 637 attack. Obviously can be higher, but still nothing to sneeze at
    -Atk+30 from Sephiroth burst C2
    -Atk+30% from OK burst
    -Atk+50% from Edward Burst
    -Def-20% from Faris burst
    -Def-10% from Edward burst C2
    -Additional dark damage on both weapon and armor
    -Endark from Sephiroth's burst

    I think that's it. In the end most of his attacks only did about 15k, including the final C1 attacks. Poor planning meant that I actually had an armor breakdown slotted (on Y'shtola of all people) but never got to use it. Still, it was great fun to see Cloud just get carved the fuck up. I dunno, I guess I was expecting more. Or maybe I screwed up and one or more things dropped off, but I don't think so. And damn, it really doesn't last long. The 4th burst command I got off dropped back to 9999x5.

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  • FryFry Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Cloud though... I pasted him with the new glorious meta... but maybe I'm doing something wrong? I'm not getting the hilarious damage numbers. I had:

    -An 83 Sephiroth with 637 attack. Obviously can be higher, but still nothing to sneeze at
    -Atk+30 from Sephiroth burst C2
    -Atk+30% from OK burst
    -Atk+50% from Edward Burst
    -Def-20% from Faris burst
    -Def-10% from Edward burst C2
    -Additional dark damage on both weapon and armor
    -Endark from Sephiroth's burst

    I think that's it. In the end most of his attacks only did about 15k, including the final C1 attacks. Poor planning meant that I actually had an armor breakdown slotted (on Y'shtola of all people) but never got to use it. Still, it was great fun to see Cloud just get carved the fuck up. I dunno, I guess I was expecting more. Or maybe I screwed up and one or more things dropped off, but I don't think so. And damn, it really doesn't last long. The 4th burst command I got off dropped back to 9999x5.

    You're way over the ATK buff softcap, and also way over the ATK softcap, so the last +30% is doing almost nothing for you; I'd skip the C2.

    Did you fill out the 4* Record Sphere?

    Did you equip +30% weapon/dark/weakness damage for your RM? (Weapon damage is just slightly worse than the others, but the difference is small enough you probably wouldn't notice)

    If you can fit in a Crit Damage buff (Chant or Lucky Stars), that's another +33% damage while Cloud USB is running.

    Triple stack Imperil Dark is also +33% compared to no imperils, since Cloud is only 50% weak.

    Fry on
  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Doesn't look like you have an Imperil Dark, either, which adds quite a lot of damage.

    In other news, I'm a moron; I've been trying to figure out what my best setup for RW Cloud USB would be, given that I don't have any +Wind gear for Cloud to use and my Imperil Wind is just Faris' BSB. I forgot that Lightning's BSB2 applies Imperil Lightning, and that Raijin's BSB C2 can have up to 10 hits. And that I have +Lightning gear for Raijin to use in both slots.

    Raijin unleashing the pain train with triple Imperil Lightning is probably better than Lightning herself unleashing a partial train with two uses of Imperil and one use of her USB.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I could probably do a good UCS team with Steiner, Locke, Rosa/Eiko, Ramza, Tyro? Locke equipped with Mug Bloodlust?

  • SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    Rius wrote: »
    Doesn't look like you have an Imperil Dark, either, which adds quite a lot of damage.

    In other news, I'm a moron; I've been trying to figure out what my best setup for RW Cloud USB would be, given that I don't have any +Wind gear for Cloud to use and my Imperil Wind is just Faris' BSB. I forgot that Lightning's BSB2 applies Imperil Lightning, and that Raijin's BSB C2 can have up to 10 hits. And that I have +Lightning gear for Raijin to use in both slots.

    Raijin unleashing the pain train with triple Imperil Lightning is probably better than Lightning herself unleashing a partial train with two uses of Imperil and one use of her USB.
    Yes.

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  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I saw that and said to myself "too bad I don't have Imperil Lightning", then my brain caught up to reality and ordered me to facepalm.

  • FryFry Registered User regular
    10x82k is just a bit good

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Eh the setup time for that is so extreme that I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I wouldn't be surprised if Lightning could finish the fight far quicker than that.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Yeah Raijin's full Detonate requires something like 8 turns (1 for entry, 6 to charge, 1 to detonate)

  • MaytagMaytag Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    Eh the setup time for that is so extreme that I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I wouldn't be surprised if Lightning could finish the fight far quicker than that.

    There's still a lot of fights where you have all the time to setup in the world, while there's a portion of the fight you just want to burst through as fast as possible. I could see it working very well for those, just takes some patience.

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  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Yeah Raijin's full Detonate requires something like 8 turns (1 for entry, 6 to charge, 1 to detonate)

    Technically you'd need two entries, because Burst Mode will fall off before you can stack six C1s. The charges persist through the second entry, at least.

  • mercurialchemistermercurialchemister Registered User regular
    These Jenova fights are harder than they have any right to be. They're just stupidly overtuned. Double hits for 2k+, and that's through a break, breakdown, and appropriate shield.

    Unless I'm misinterpreting this, breaks and breakdowns don't stack. You want to use breakdowns and full break.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Man, 300 Bahamut has a lot of HP. Going to have to rethink how to handle this CM. Most of my non-SB attacks become useless once the curaja starts, and I'm not sure I have the hones to get him to 40% without using my soul breaks.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    These Jenova fights are harder than they have any right to be. They're just stupidly overtuned. Double hits for 2k+, and that's through a break, breakdown, and appropriate shield.

    Unless I'm misinterpreting this, breaks and breakdowns don't stack. You want to use breakdowns and full break.

    yeah stat buffs/debuffs only stack if they are listed under a different ability code, which is almost always goverened by the combination of effects they do. So for instance ATK, ATK/DEF, and ATK/DEF/RES/MAG would all stack as debuffs.

    but ATk and a better ATK debuff will just overwrite each other.

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited July 2017
    managed to get a bahamut 300 farm setup where cloud can reliably pull off 99999 x5 during a wind chain

    this is fun

    (it involves RWing Ramza USB)

    Beasteh on
  • LeeksLeeks Registered User regular
    So I got my alt account enough for a single 11 pull on UCloud.

    2/11 Rufus SSB, and.... Cloud USB. Yay, but also so frustrating how easy it was there versus the account I really care abut.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    I used all like 130 Rosettas I had saved up, then emptied my vault of equipment and engaged in a weaponpocalypse of feeding the weak to the almost-but-not-quite-strongest.

    So many generic and unique SB swords, spears, and gloves died this day. If you're not above 200 with RS, you're useless to me. And I'd rather get the extra couple points on things I know I'll be using constantly for the next six months than leave them in the vault on the very VERY off-chance that a lucky draw randomly gifts me with a dupe so they can once every 3-6 months give me a couple extra points. And that's just for the SSBs since the chance of even getting SB equipment is essentially nil now. The saddest was the generic 5* FF14 sword. One of my two physical FF14 things, and yet, still weaker than two off-realm OSB swords and one OSB glove.

    The shocking thing, that I haven't quite been able to bring myself to mulch but really should, is that I may well literally never actually use Cloud's BSB2 sword. And it's 6* even. Between Cloud's USB, Sephiroth's OSB, Sephiroth's BSB2++, and Javelin++, there's pretty much no viable party where I'd ever use it. It doesn't even give a boost to wind!

    Now I just need a couple pieces of USB/OSB armor so I can purge that too. And another Mnd/Mag 6* whatever, since Terra's sword is not well-portable to most other mages.

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  • Joe Camacho MKIIJoe Camacho MKII Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Guys. Is anyone having problems with the game?

    I just upgraded android on my phone (Samsung S7) and FFRK is acting kind of weird, it appears as if everything is lower on screen. When I tap the screen even the circle animation appears lower than where I tap it.

    I tried erasing the game cache and I still problems. It is kind of annoying having to press a bit above of what command I want to use.

    Edit.- huh. Nevermind, I took a picture to show you guys and for some reason that fixed the screen. The picture does show how the screen previously looked though.

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  • LeeksLeeks Registered User regular
    Minimize then maximize the game, that will force a refresh that will get it working normally again. It's a known issue with the latest Android update.

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  • Joe Camacho MKIIJoe Camacho MKII Registered User regular
    Leeks wrote: »
    Minimize then maximize the game, that will force a refresh that will get it working normally again. It's a known issue with the latest Android update.

    Thanks!

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  • 38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    I guess I'm not going to quit the game yet. I can't really remember why I quit last time or why I came back. I think I got invested in FF Mobius over this. Ugh what a trainwreck that was. Anyways.

    Cloud USB pull fiasco afterthoughts.
    I have accepted that I'll never have it because not only is it a tiny chance to get, but I can't imagine ever needing 7 synergy even on a future banner thanks to my insanity here.

    I think my issues with cloud usb, shout, wall and such things during pulls are not really an issue with me playing the game, its an issue with try to play the game with the community. If I didn't read here/reddit(actually signed up for reddit for this game) I wouldn't be constantly told how amazing this or that relic is and that I need it for months and months before, then afterward have to read page after page about how awesome it is.

    Which sucks because I enjoy the thread a lot, but I had trouble sleeping I was so annoyed at this game that night. Anyways, I'm going to try and come here for help when I need it and not really read much else. Maybe I'll be happier.

    I'm having trouble with the CM for the torment dungeon. Can anyone offer any suggestions?

    RW Cloud USB
    Luneth 99 Lifesiphon Dark Bargain Sword Shower Dragoon's Determination
    Desch 80 Magic Breakdown Intimidate(didn't use) Rebel's Might
    Arc 80 Curaja Shellga Doublecast White
    Ingus 80 Defense Breakdown Reflect Protect+Hastega MM
    OK 99 Full Break Meltdown BSB DMT

    Megaflare wrecks face, and Swordshower only did 10k/hit or so after cloud usb.

  • DarklyreDarklyre Registered User regular
    Beat the 300 3-man CM Torment JS. The chain ran out before the finishing blow, but Luneth still managed a 400k Swordshower. :P

    Cloud USB meta is so ridiculous and I love it.

  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2017
    38thDoe wrote: »
    I guess I'm not going to quit the game yet. I can't really remember why I quit last time or why I came back. I think I got invested in FF Mobius over this. Ugh what a trainwreck that was. Anyways.

    Cloud USB pull fiasco afterthoughts.
    I have accepted that I'll never have it because not only is it a tiny chance to get, but I can't imagine ever needing 7 synergy even on a future banner thanks to my insanity here.

    I think my issues with cloud usb, shout, wall and such things during pulls are not really an issue with me playing the game, its an issue with try to play the game with the community. If I didn't read here/reddit(actually signed up for reddit for this game) I wouldn't be constantly told how amazing this or that relic is and that I need it for months and months before, then afterward have to read page after page about how awesome it is.

    Which sucks because I enjoy the thread a lot, but I had trouble sleeping I was so annoyed at this game that night. Anyways, I'm going to try and come here for help when I need it and not really read much else. Maybe I'll be happier.

    I'm having trouble with the CM for the torment dungeon. Can anyone offer any suggestions?

    RW Cloud USB
    Luneth 99 Lifesiphon Dark Bargain Sword Shower Dragoon's Determination
    Desch 80 Magic Breakdown Intimidate(didn't use) Rebel's Might
    Arc 80 Curaja Shellga Doublecast White
    Ingus 80 Defense Breakdown Reflect Protect+Hastega MM
    OK 99 Full Break Meltdown BSB DMT

    Megaflare wrecks face, and Swordshower only did 10k/hit or so after cloud usb.

    Luneth should have a +damage RM, not a +attack. It's probably not doing a lot for you.

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  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Hmm, I might want to Legend Dive Vivi someday; his LM2 is Trance Mode which gives him full HP, 30% MAG boost, and a 50% chance to Doublecast Black Magic for 25 seconds. That's going to be super good when Chain Firaga gets boosted to 4 hits.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    38thDoe wrote: »
    I guess I'm not going to quit the game yet. I can't really remember why I quit last time or why I came back. I think I got invested in FF Mobius over this. Ugh what a trainwreck that was. Anyways.

    Cloud USB pull fiasco afterthoughts.
    I have accepted that I'll never have it because not only is it a tiny chance to get, but I can't imagine ever needing 7 synergy even on a future banner thanks to my insanity here.

    I think my issues with cloud usb, shout, wall and such things during pulls are not really an issue with me playing the game, its an issue with try to play the game with the community. If I didn't read here/reddit(actually signed up for reddit for this game) I wouldn't be constantly told how amazing this or that relic is and that I need it for months and months before, then afterward have to read page after page about how awesome it is.

    Which sucks because I enjoy the thread a lot, but I had trouble sleeping I was so annoyed at this game that night. Anyways, I'm going to try and come here for help when I need it and not really read much else. Maybe I'll be happier.

    I'm having trouble with the CM for the torment dungeon. Can anyone offer any suggestions?

    RW Cloud USB
    Luneth 99 Lifesiphon Dark Bargain Sword Shower Dragoon's Determination
    Desch 80 Magic Breakdown Intimidate(didn't use) Rebel's Might
    Arc 80 Curaja Shellga Doublecast White
    Ingus 80 Defense Breakdown Reflect Protect+Hastega MM
    OK 99 Full Break Meltdown BSB DMT

    Megaflare wrecks face, and Swordshower only did 10k/hit or so after cloud usb.

    Wouldn't bother with the RW Cloud USB tbh. Don't really feel like your CM team has enough stuff to make it go thermonuclear, and if it's not going crazy you're better served with a wall rw or something similar, or even just an enwind bsb for Luneth. I'd probably bring Refia instead of Desch if you're not doing any damage with him at all, she can do decent with just Fires Within/Full Charge.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Also, he's immune to Reflect on 300.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Given that it's a full FF3 cm, I assume we're talking about the D200, so reflect is fine.

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  • FryFry Registered User regular
    For the 200 CM, if you have Onion BSB native, I think you just RW Wall and grind him down as best you can, with Reflect both allowing you to get through the weak phase and stay alive when your Walls run out.

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