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I WANT PICTURES, MOVING PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN! Post Credits is #1 GOAT
Snicketysnick
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He's back! In MCU form!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wNgphPi5VMFollowing on from a short introduction in Civil War last year, this marks the first full scale collaboration between Sony and Marvel Studios. Review buzz is largely positive, I'm looking forward to something a little smaller in stakes than the fate of the world/known universe so fingers crossed.
Dramatis Personae
Tom Holland as Peter Parker
Marisa Tomei as May Parker
Michael Keaton as The Vulture
Zendaya as "Michelle"
As an aside, there are practically zero non-MJ/Black Cat etc female characters in the old Spidey cartoon, it's terrible.
and Robert Downey Jr as The Marketing Tie In
Will Sony manage to bungle things long term? Will this be the film that finally puts the brakes on the well deserved Juggernaut that is Wonder Woman? Will there be fifteen post credits scenes teasing a raft of Venom spin offs? Find out this week, only in theatres.
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I'm slightly worried that by glossing over Uncle Ben they take away some of the pathos, but I'm also pumped to see a super fun Spidey story.
...90s spider-man is way inferior to Spectacular Spider-man. Way inferior.
Hopefully there's still plenty of surprises, but it looks like a real fun movie either way.
There was a point where I just went totally dark on the trailers because I thought they were just giving the entire plot away.
It's too long though, and it's so crammed full it felt exhausting, like a lot of the MCU films now to be honest. There's some really ropey CGI early on too which was surprising
Overall entertaining, and it has easily the best post-credit scene in the MCU
PSN- AHermano
PSN- AHermano
I nominate the title of this thread to be renamed "[Spider-man Homecoming] to Aunt May's 4 letter word"
Spoilers
Seriously though, I super enjoyed the film.
Peter's still super pumped from his time in Civil War and wants to fast track his super hero career. He's so in love with the idea of joining the Avengers that he's become reckless. He's jumping into dangerous situations on his own without trying to get help from the police or Happy or Tony, or anyone really. And it keeps putting other people in danger as a result.
He tried to foil a atm robbery instead of calling the police first. Then once he arrives instead of quickly apprehending criminals, he takes his time to pose and chat. This causes the sandwich store owner to almost die and lose his shop.
He almost gets Donglover's character killed by investigating the weapons sale without making sure his phone is on silent.
The alien battery should have been given to Happy or Tony to analyse. Instead he pokes at it with a hammer and takes it almost everywhere with him and it ends up causing the incident in the elevator when he has Ned look after it.
The whole ferry incident was his fault by trying to apprehend the criminals, while the ferry was taking a whole lot of passengers to the other side of whereverville.
Granted he's always trying to make amends, but the point is he's being irresponsible .
And Tony is partly to blame. He gave Peter a taste of the big league and failed to follow up by getting him properly trained. Honestly he's a pretty bad mentor. In the end where he's giving him a new high tech suit and about to push him into becoming a full time Avenger at the press conference, without his guardian's permission, was just a majorly irresponsible thing to do. The kid is only 15. He still has a childhood to live before he becomes an adult.
Michelle's character didn't really have any character development, and her reveal as "MJ" came out of nowhere. Granted, I'm fine with her being a new take on Mary Jane in the future films as she was a cool character in the brief scenes we're shown of her. I guess I just wanted more from her character. I hope in the next film it's revealed she actually has the names Mary and Jane in her full name.
And speaking of coming out of nowhere, Vulture's reveal as Liz's character was awesome and left me with chills. That short car ride where it's revealed Peter's connection to Tony, Spider-man and his frequent absences had me going "Noooo" and Tomes' doesn't waste a second top confront peter the moment Liz is out of ear shot. They could have made him mull over it before enacting some plan to kill him, but nope.
Another thing I really liked in the movie was Peter watching over his peers having fun as typical teens, before reluctantly performing his duties as a super hero.
Oh and I absolutely loved the scene where Peter climbs out the the rubble. I think there was a comic spread of something similar.
Anyway, that's all I have to say in regards to the film.
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Steam / Origin & Wii U: Heatwave111 / FC: 4227-1965-3206 / Battle.net: Heatwave#11356
As long as it doesn't shit the bed it'll probably be my favorite MCU film, just by virtue of being about Spider-Man
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If not, please spoil it
It really only works if you watch it
PSN- AHermano
Light spoilers?
Heavy spoilers
The first time it was mentioned I cracked up when mask's eyes looked like the terminator.
Also Karen was a total bro. She even encourages Peter to do the upside down kiss with Liz after he saved her
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Humour all landed, I didn't think any of the CGI was bad the way the start of AoU or WW had some rough stuff so nice work.
If I ever get a talking AI assistant, it's definitely going to be called Karen.
And yes, second post-credit scene best post-credit scene.
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and then messing up the big sacrifice-to-save-public-transport moment reminiscent of 2's train scene by needing Iron Man's help with the ferry
It's like the film's saying "You thought Tobey was a down-on-his-luck loser, get a load of this kid!"
I was like "nooo, no way they'd add in a meta joke about the trailers". But after the other meta jokes in the movie and the stinger.....
Peter's Principal
That could also explain why the school makes such heavy use of the Captain America recordings despite Cap being a fugitive.
Actually, I was blindsided by the reveal in the previous scene as well - the complete deer in headlights vibe Pete was giving off was ace.
I'm gonna put some thoughts on this here movie in a spoiler and maybe that'll help me sort it out a bit.
The best way I can think to explain it is that Raimi-Spidey tended to throw a bit darker than I would have expected from a movie about Spider-Man. In contrast, Homecoming manages to nail a very fun, breezy tone that feels more true to how Peter's portrayed in the comics and in all the other pieces of media that he's shown up in over the years. I don't know, it just felt a lot truer to the source material, I guess. That's not meant to be a knock against the Raimi movies, but it's definitely something I appreciated in Homecoming.
It doesn't hurt that Marvel struck gold with Tom Holland. The writing in this was excellent, but Holland does an excellent job of making it clear that while Peter's smart enough to know he's in over his head, he's also young enough that he's desperate to impress Tony at any cost. Oh, and it doesn't hurt that he's really, really good at portraying Peter as a good-hearted goof who's just a little more out of his depth than he's willing to admit. The "interrogation" scene with Donald Glover killed me.
Also; really glad they didn't go with the traditional Marvel villain exit of "Greed kills him in the end." I was really afraid they were gonna end with Vulture burning to death, but Peter carrying him out of the flames and leaving him tied up was probably the most Spider-Man thing about this movie. Well, that and the notes. I just hope we end up seeing more of Keaton's Toomes in future movies, especially after the post-credits scene with him and Maybe Scorpion where he covers for Peter.
I thought they did a good job of making Tony a presence in the movie without completely pushing Peter off to the sidelines. Also; Tony would absolutely be terrible at the mentorship thing, at least initially, and I'm glad that the people making the movie realized that.
Jacob Batalon was really good as Ned, and I'm glad he got his Guy in the Chair sequence at the end. Zendaya had some good moments, but I'm not sure how to feel about the MJ reveal at the end of the movie? It just seemed about as subtle as somebody shouting "HEY, LOOK, MJ IS HERE GUYS. SHE'S HERE. THIS IS SPIDER-MAN." And Marisa Tomei was... fine? But it felt like the writers just had no idea what to do with Aunt May, so a lot of her scenes come off as particularly awkward. That said, the scene where she sees Peter in the Spider Suit was perfect, and I'm glad they decided to avoid the issue of Peter having to hide it from her for X number of movies by just blowing the lid off the whole thing in the first one.
I desperately want somebody to explain how they convinced Cap to do a bunch of inspirational videos for high schoolers. I loved it, and I loved that we got Hannibal Buress because of it, but, again, it felt like somebody at Marvel just wanted to get a Steve Rogers cameo in the movie without really thinking about the logic of it all.
Actually, that might be my biggest complaint about the movie? Just that a lot of stuff happens that doesn't seem logical or necessary and kind of hurts the immersion of the whole thing.
See:
-Nobody in Peter's life besides Toomes putting the pieces together to realize he's Spider-Man, especially after DC.
-Ned, a high-schooler, managing to hack into Stark tech.
-The Chitauri core being activated by a random X-Ray machine after Peter and Ned managed to transport it across state lines without incident.
-Tony turning around completely on Peter and making the call to promote him to the Avengers immediately after Peter saved the day.
-Tony being angry with Peter for causing the ferry disaster in the first place, and then not being angry when Peter nearly crashes a plane into Coney Island.
It just felt like there were some transitions that went by way too fast to keep the movie going, without taking the time to say "Oh, by the way, this is how this happened." Which I get why they wouldn't want to get bogged down like that, but it just left me scratching my head.
TL;DR: I thought they nailed the tone of a Spider-Man movie, and the core cast did an excellent job. But it's clear that in a couple of places, it just started going too fast for its own good, and hit a couple of bumps in the road. Not in a way that fundamentally ruins the movie, but noticeable enough that the final product is hurt a little by it.
Also; y'all should stay to the end of the credits. It's worth your time. Trust me.
Two shockers, the scorpion, and Aaron Davis, on top of rolling through a Liz Allen storyline, introducing MJ and that she likes Peter, and at the end revealing that Peter is Spider-Man to aunt May.
If they'd thrown in the Kingpin somewhere in the last scene I'd have been floored.
I actually like Adrian Toomes. I like the look of his suit, I like the way they did his skin to make it look kind of dry and wrinkled, I like that they made him a blue collar criminal and made that work. When push comes to shove at the end he's like "No, I'm not giving up this kid to a murderer, he saved my daughter and he saved me".
And yeah, I liked that Spider-Man did his damndest to save everyone, and like Aaron Davis said "You said 'If you're going to shoot anyone shoot me', that takes guts".
And yeah, I love Donald Glover's turn as The Prowler, even giving Spider-Man a superhero talk in the middle of an interrogation. He's just a jobber, he doesn't want all these plasma guns where they could end the Miles Morales movies before they begin. He doesn't get enough screentime, but he still gets just enough for this movie.
Tom Holland's a good spider-man. Better, best, don't care, he's good in the role. He's got the awkward teen thing down and the mouthyness, but he can also nail the sincerity of telling the bad guy that he's trying to save them.
Good god, the in-joke on the suit's combat mode being default set to "Instant kill mode".
Edit: The post credit scene was perfect. Every one since Iron Man 1 was leading up to it.
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School videos.
Also; seriously, who reached out to Captain America after the Avengers and told him "Hey, I make inspirational VHS tapes for local high schools. Feel like making twenty bucks?"