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[Movies]: Watch the Final Cut version. Paddington still better.

TexiKenTexiKen Dammit!That fish really got me!Registered User regular
edited October 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
'Member the 80's?

Movies think they're kewl now, but they were kewler in the 80's:

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So let's talk about how 80's movies will always be better than anything else ever made!

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    First Blood part 2 could have been an interesting introspection on how we are so unable to deal with our war veterans that we would prefer to ship them off to die in another war than deal with the people we have created.

    Alas it is not.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    New wave of Criterions:

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    Morbidly curious about The Lure. Had no idea it was part musical.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    I think Tex is predicting a future trend of emojifying movies. You know it's coming, it's just a matter of time.

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    I had no idea Othello and Barry Lyndon weren't already part of the collection. Fire Walk With Me is a wonderful and smart addition, and I'd love to see Vampyr on blu ray, that movie is really just as strong as its images.

    Personal Shopper is a kinda half expected pick, especially after The Clouds of Sils Maria got picked up. Personal Shopper was fun seeing knowing nothing about it, a minor delight of "where is this going exactly", but the sum of its parts don't amount to much. I would rather Criterion looked further back if they're going to keep releasing Assayas films. Stuff like Cold Water and Irma Vep deserve to be better known, as they're much better than his recent output.

    I've been interested in The Lure. One of those ones I know I'll get around to eventually, but I kinda want to forget about it until I do, if that makes any sense.

  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Twin Peaks:FWWM is a bit confusing, since is was part of the Entire Mystery set, where it already had (presumably the same) 4K restoration, the Missing Pieces, and all the same special features except for the "new" Sheryl Lee interview. I guess if you just wanted the movie and not the series, it would be worth a buy, but...I don't know why you'd want one and not the other.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Guess it's the principle of the thing, and Criterion only do films. They're also nuts for David Lynch.

    Wonder if they'll ever get Lost Highway.

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Yeah, that's the other thing - there's a number of Lynch movies that don't have a US Blu Ray yet - Elephant Man, Wild at Heart (other than a stupid Twilight Time limited release that's long since sold out), Lost Highway, Straight Story, Inland Empire. Any of those seems like they should have priority. (I know there's probably rights issues that make it more complicated than that.)

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    I'll definitely be getting Barry Lyndon. I wonder if the Blu-Ray of Vampyr will come with the behind-the-scenes documentation the DVD release did.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Oh, some big news for Studio Ghibli fans.





    This is important to know because almost none of the Ghibli films released by Disney had proper Japanese subtitles. They just substituted the English script, which, depending on the film, could change entire scenes or characters.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    From the last thread:
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Nothing beats watching someone watch First Blood for the first time. That final scene hits you like a truck if the only thing you know of Rambo is all the sequels.

    If you really wanna blow their mind, show them the original screened ending.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    first blood is one of the only movies about soldiers I can recommend

    1. Apocalypse Now
    2. Full Metal Jacket
    3. Born on the Fourth of July
    4. The Deer Hunter
    5. Flags of Our Fathers/Letters From Iwo Jima

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    first blood is one of the only movies about soldiers I can recommend

    1. Apocalypse Now
    2. Full Metal Jacket
    3. Born on the Fourth of July
    4. The Deer Hunter
    5. Flags of Our Fathers/Letters From Iwo Jima

    Yw hth

    If my dad (Air Force mechanic end of Vietnam) is any indication, then sure these are good but really the Hot Shots films captured his wacky adventures best.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    hmmmm

    First Blood is a pretty good movie about the trauma war inflicts and how people who are separated from it fail to understand it. The rest of the Rambo films are bro porn.

    Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket are all solid choices. Any war movie whose message isn't "fuck you, war is stupid," isn't something I'm usually interested in.

  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    I felt like I had gotten a different impression of Rambo 4 when I watched it. The violence, I felt, was not to titillate but to remind the viewer that war is supposed to be horrifying.

    Indeed, every time Rambo cuts loose (early on with the pirates, and during the climax), the reaction he gets from the missionaries (and even the mercenaries during the second one) isn't one of hero worship, it's terror. So much so, that the missionaries quickly disembark and travel on foot after the pirate incident and Julie Benz can't even look at him after the fighting is over.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Nobody wrote: »
    I felt like I had gotten a different impression of Rambo 4 when I watched it. The violence, I felt, was not to titillate but to remind the viewer that war is supposed to be horrifying.

    Indeed, every time Rambo cuts loose (early on with the pirates, and during the climax), the reaction he gets from the missionaries (and even the mercenaries during the second one) isn't one of hero worship, it's terror. So much so, that the missionaries quickly disembark and travel on foot after the pirate incident and Julie Benz can't even look at him after the fighting is over.

    It's hard to say it's there not there to entertain when he turns some poor sap into ground beef with a jeep-mounted Ma Deuce.

    The movie was schizophrenic with its depictions of violence to the point where it came off as sadistic.

    I mean, I was fucking hootin it up in the theater (I was in my AIT school for the Army at the time, fresh outta boot), but yeah I didn't get any message about it being anti-war.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    first blood is one of the only movies about soldiers I can recommend

    1. Apocalypse Now
    2. Full Metal Jacket
    3. Born on the Fourth of July
    4. The Deer Hunter
    5. Flags of Our Fathers/Letters From Iwo Jima

    Yw hth

    If my dad (Air Force mechanic end of Vietnam) is any indication, then sure these are good but really the Hot Shots films captured his wacky adventures best.

    What's funny is he's kinda on to something.

    We did a lot of absurd shit for laughs.

  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Twin Peaks:FWWM is a bit confusing, since is was part of the Entire Mystery set, where it already had (presumably the same) 4K restoration, the Missing Pieces, and all the same special features except for the "new" Sheryl Lee interview. I guess if you just wanted the movie and not the series, it would be worth a buy, but...I don't know why you'd want one and not the other.
    Well, in my case I bought the series on DVD a long while back and would be interested in seeing the Missing Pieces etc but am not interested in rebuying the whole series...

  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Nobody wrote: »
    I felt like I had gotten a different impression of Rambo 4 when I watched it. The violence, I felt, was not to titillate but to remind the viewer that war is supposed to be horrifying.

    Indeed, every time Rambo cuts loose (early on with the pirates, and during the climax), the reaction he gets from the missionaries (and even the mercenaries during the second one) isn't one of hero worship, it's terror. So much so, that the missionaries quickly disembark and travel on foot after the pirate incident and Julie Benz can't even look at him after the fighting is over.

    It's hard to say it's there to remind people that it's not there to entertain when he turns some poor sap into ground beef with a jeep-mounted Ma Deuce.

    The movie was schizophrenic with its depictions of violence to the point where it came off as sadistic.

    I mean, I was fucking hootin it up in the theater (I was in my AIT school for the Army at the time, fresh outta boot), but yeah I didn't get any message about it being anti-war.

    I didn't think it was so much anti-war as it was "horrible shit happens, here's a reminder"

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    The entire concept of war/having to purge the jungle screams "This is BAD!", Rambo just makes it visually interesting to see what happens when you're forced into it and doesn't focus on all the badness (too much "You're not changing anything.") and has a rather positive outlook on the outcome i.e. the good guy wins.

  • KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Atomika wrote: »
    hmmmm

    First Blood is a pretty good movie about the trauma war inflicts and how people who are separated from it fail to understand it. The rest of the Rambo films are bro porn.

    Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket are all solid choices. Any war movie whose message isn't "fuck you, war is stupid," isn't something I'm usually interested in.


    There is a line in The Big Red One about how to flush out a sniper, that is just full on, "this is the dumbest shit ever, and they thought it up at West Point". BR1 is probably my favorite war movie, but I don't really go for war movies. I like my ultra violence more on the fiction side of things.


    /edit: Found it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLq-7ih4WE

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    The Big Red One is a great, personal war film; it's one of the few 'men in war' films I really like. It has a Hemmingway-esque pragmatic but poetic bent to it. It's a really wonderful commingling of stoicism and irony. Samuel Fuller was a hell of a filmmaker.

    I was going to say I don't like war films, but giving it more thought I actually like a lot of movies that discuss or take place during wars? Like I adore The Best Years of Our Lives and Grand Illusion, but although those films are about soldiers, they don't feature any combat. It's just straight-up humanism and it's gorgeous. I guess 'war film' usually means "hey we're watching soldiers kill each other", yeah?

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Nobody wrote: »
    I felt like I had gotten a different impression of Rambo 4 when I watched it. The violence, I felt, was not to titillate but to remind the viewer that war is supposed to be horrifying.

    Indeed, every time Rambo cuts loose (early on with the pirates, and during the climax), the reaction he gets from the missionaries (and even the mercenaries during the second one) isn't one of hero worship, it's terror. So much so, that the missionaries quickly disembark and travel on foot after the pirate incident and Julie Benz can't even look at him after the fighting is over.

    It's hard to say it's there to remind people that it's not there to entertain when he turns some poor sap into ground beef with a jeep-mounted Ma Deuce.

    The movie was schizophrenic with its depictions of violence to the point where it came off as sadistic.

    I mean, I was fucking hootin it up in the theater (I was in my AIT school for the Army at the time, fresh outta boot), but yeah I didn't get any message about it being anti-war.

    I don't think it's really schizophrenic from what I remember. It's never trying to say "violence is bad". It seemed to be trying to say "violence is nasty and brutal and horrible, but also necessary".

    The missionaries are appalled by the violence he inflicts but at the end of the day they need him and the horrors he unleashes.

  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    The one bit in Rambo that makes me think it has some kind of message is when the pacifist missionary kills a guy with a rock, invoking Cain and Abel. I'm not sure if it's meant to be "whiny pacifist becomes a real man" or "pacifist becomes a murder." I lean more to the latter, but it's hard to tell.

  • Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    In addition to the war movies already mention, I believe Sam Sam Peckinpah's Cross of Iron (staring Jame Coburn) is a noteworthy film, which takes place in the Eastern Front.

    Maybe also add A Bridge Too Far, which is about the failure of Operation Market Garden, which was an attempt to sieze bridges to then outflank the Germans and potentially end the war quicker.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The entire concept of war/having to purge the jungle screams "This is BAD!", Rambo just makes it visually interesting to see what happens when you're forced into it and doesn't focus on all the badness (too much "You're not changing anything.") and has a rather positive outlook on the outcome i.e. the good guy wins.

    Predator rules with this, as always.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lReVATNL7g

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Das Boot is a damn fine (naval) war movie.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Das Boot is a damn fine (naval) war movie.

    Stalingrad for another movie that hits many of the same notes (apart from the undersea claustrophobia)

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Das Boot is a damn fine (naval) war movie.
    Apparently they're doing a sequel, based on the book sequel. It'll definitely be a TV series, though I don't know if they'll again edit it into a film as well. Haven't heard anything more, though.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Platoon is another one I've always thought did well in the variety of ways it depicts people traumatized by war; and, of course, at least one who seems to revel in it (who the movie unambiguously paints as a villain). I need to watch it again, it's been years.

    Surprised it's not been mentioned yet, actually.

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Uncommon Valor is a better version of Rambo: First Blood Part 2. I enjoyed watching it growing up but after watching it as an adult I understood better the intersection of the characters. The "primary" protagonist being a veteran of Korea working with Vietnam combat veterans I see as two distinct generations finding a commonality in the popularity of their own post WWII conflicts. And then Patrick Swayze's character being a peace time veteran with no combat or deployment experience but training and carrying guilt (at least from my point of view) over his inexperience in combat and lack of commonality with the combat veterans he's surrounded by. And they all defy the US government to conduct a raid into Vietnam even after all of their equipment and weapons are seized and they are warned by the US government to go home.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Andy Serkis was on Colbert recently and had a little SFX vignette showing how what he does is acting and not just SFX. Video is 6 minutes long, acting stuff is over at about 3:30. The SFX clip is at about 2:45.

    https://youtu.be/64mWOoj68qo I say again: Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    The most epic scene ever filmed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxZblVUkMU

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Andy Serkis was on Colbert recently and had a little SFX vignette showing how what he does is acting and not just SFX. Video is 6 minutes long, acting stuff is over at about 3:30. The SFX clip is at about 2:45.

    https://youtu.be/64mWOoj68qo I say again: Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar.

    While what he does is truly magnificent, my view sours on him when he thinks he should get all the glory and ignores the contribution of the CGI artists. Without them he's just another actor in prosthetics and/or make up.

    edit: I haven't seen brilliant acting chameleons like Gary Oldman throwing his make up artists under the bus for his work, unlike Serkis.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Andy Serkis was on Colbert recently and had a little SFX vignette showing how what he does is acting and not just SFX. Video is 6 minutes long, acting stuff is over at about 3:30. The SFX clip is at about 2:45.

    https://youtu.be/64mWOoj68qo I say again: Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar.

    While what he does is truly magnificent, my view sours on him when he thinks he should get all the glory and ignores the contribution of the CGI artists. Without them he's just another actor in prosthetics and/or make up.

    edit: I haven't seen brilliant acting chameleons like Gary Oldman throwing his make up artists under the bus for his work, unlike Serkis.

    2 things:

    1. I don't know anything about Serkis ignoring the contribution of CGI artist. Not saying you're making it up, just I've never seen it. Can you give an example?
    2. There's a good discussion to be had about who deserves what when making a character. Just on the physical actor you have makeup and costume artists. Then you have lighting and set and what have you. Where do you draw the line on what makes a performance Oscar worthy?

  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    New wave of Criterions:

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    Morbidly curious about The Lure. Had no idea it was part musical.

    I'll probably wind up getting 4 of those 6.

    I love all things Lyndon, Vampyr is awesome, that version of Othello is top shelf, and Twin Peaks is Twin Peaks.

    Didn't like Personal Shopper and haven't seen/heard enough about The Lure to make a decision.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Andy Serkis was on Colbert recently and had a little SFX vignette showing how what he does is acting and not just SFX. Video is 6 minutes long, acting stuff is over at about 3:30. The SFX clip is at about 2:45.

    https://youtu.be/64mWOoj68qo I say again: Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar.

    While what he does is truly magnificent, my view sours on him when he thinks he should get all the glory and ignores the contribution of the CGI artists. Without them he's just another actor in prosthetics and/or make up.

    edit: I haven't seen brilliant acting chameleons like Gary Oldman throwing his make up artists under the bus for his work, unlike Serkis.

    2 things:

    1. I don't know anything about Serkis ignoring the contribution of CGI artist. Not saying you're making it up, just I've never seen it. Can you give an example?
    2. There's a good discussion to be had about who deserves what when making a character. Just on the physical actor you have makeup and costume artists. Then you have lighting and set and what have you. Where do you draw the line on what makes a performance Oscar worthy?

    There are a few articles and interviews you can find where he refers to the sole contributor to performances and refers to the animating of mo-cap work as 'digital makeup' which is pretty disingenuous.

    He's evidently a blast to work with and an utterly charming person, he's just... that way.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    All performances are constructed--even sans makeup, costumes, and lighting, actor's performances are a product of editing, selecting certain takes and not others, changing timing and adding context to reactions, etc.

    The barrier to Serkis getting Oscar recognition is that, whatever you think of mocap (and voice acting and so on), it's still different than regular acting. And there aren't enough mocap performances out there to justify a second category. I think it's likely he'll get some kind of special recognition oscar at some point, but Best Actor Andy Serkis seems pretty unlikely.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    I've always been a big fan of Kubrick's "Paths of Glory"

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Saving Private Ryan was a pretty good movie,but it was kind of soured for me when it started the whole "greatest generation" thing.

    Like I get that the WWII was the big one, but I don't like the non-stop worship they get compared to other veterans. And SPR was kind sort of Ground Zero off that.

    Band of Brothers however was great.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    All performances are constructed--even sans makeup, costumes, and lighting, actor's performances are a product of editing, selecting certain takes and not others, changing timing and adding context to reactions, etc.

    The barrier to Serkis getting Oscar recognition is that, whatever you think of mocap (and voice acting and so on), it's still different than regular acting. And there aren't enough mocap performances out there to justify a second category. I think it's likely he'll get some kind of special recognition oscar at some point, but Best Actor Andy Serkis seems pretty unlikely.

    To be fair to him, his name is essentially synonymous with "mo-cap acting is real acting" at this point and the "Special Oscar for people we didn't give one to already" is basically just the formality. He totally deserves one of those though.

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