Garrosh is the most famous Orc warrior. For better or worse, that's a pretty solid fact. Like, it can't be easily disputed.
Garrosh is the warrior hero of Hearthstone too. So this decision has implications outside of just WoW.
If it were up to me, and I were picking an Orc warrior, I'd pick Saurfang. But only WoW players, who played between a specific date range are going to know who he is. He has certainly fallen into obscurity in recent expansions.
So I totally understand why they went with Garrosh. Do I think he's a terrible character? Yes. Do I think he totally sucks? Yes. Do I wish there were other, better Orc warriors? Yes.
But you can't really deny that they went with the most iconic option they have, and that's what HotS is all about, really. Blizzard icons.
I think Grom hellscream is easily as recognizable as garrosh is. I guess maybe there can be an argument made that garrosh has a bigger audience due to hearthstone but Grom is there too. He also isn't as universally reviled.
Edit: I'd also be surprised if there was no SC tie in hero around the remaster launch next month.
I would have made Grom a Blademaster, since that's what he was in WC3.
Samuro is a nobody and I don't know why they picked him to represent that class.
Grom is the greatest Orc who ever lived, and he's pretty much my favorite character in WC lore, but I'd classify him as Blademaster since that's what his first appearance was.
I'm still amazed that the Pandaria/Warlords Garrosh Story Clusterfluff came about due to a miscommunication in Blizzard.
Controversial statement: Grom sucks.
Wait, what?
Yeah, I'm pretty Garroshed out, but at least this way, I don't feel bad about the all the gold I spent rerolling chests.
As I understand it, the original plan was for him to be a dick, but not full-Sylvannas-raidboss evil. Somehow there was a miscommunication and the dev teams thought they meant raidboss evil and shifted gears and before anyone noticed it was too late to go back and change things.
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Garrosh was a solid character in TBC and WOTLK. He even started off solid in Cata. It's just endgame Cata story turned him into a dipshit and then Panda Silly Time expansion basically went full Hitler with him and it was really dumb.
Well, still disappointed because Mannoroth or Vashj would have been more interesting and even Grom would have been better but we knew this day had to come and he's not all bad.
Hopefully he's got an interesting kit and is a tank.
Nah, he was pretty dumb in wrath.
Wrath was full of questionable story decisions for everything
I don't remember anything particularly dumb in WOTLK. Just him being a hothead.
Garrosh is the most famous Orc warrior. For better or worse, that's a pretty solid fact. Like, it can't be easily disputed.
Garrosh is the warrior hero of Hearthstone too. So this decision has implications outside of just WoW.
If it were up to me, and I were picking an Orc warrior, I'd pick Saurfang. But only WoW players, who played between a specific date range are going to know who he is. He has certainly fallen into obscurity in recent expansions.
So I totally understand why they went with Garrosh. Do I think he's a terrible character? Yes. Do I think he totally sucks? Yes. Do I wish there were other, better Orc warriors? Yes.
But you can't really deny that they went with the most iconic option they have, and that's what HotS is all about, really. Blizzard icons.
Sure it can. Grom. Very squishy fact disputed.
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I'm still amazed that the Pandaria/Warlords Garrosh Story Clusterfluff came about due to a miscommunication in Blizzard.
Controversial statement: Grom sucks.
Wait, what?
Yeah, I'm pretty Garroshed out, but at least this way, I don't feel bad about the all the gold I spent rerolling chests.
As I understand it, the original plan was for him to be a dick, but not full-Sylvannas-raidboss evil. Somehow there was a miscommunication and the dev teams thought they meant raidboss evil and shifted gears and before anyone noticed it was too late to go back and change things.
I'm fairly sure that the majority of people working for Blizzard have difficulty distinguishing degrees of evil between "irritating," and "maniacal," so that checks out.
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Garrosh is the most famous Orc warrior. For better or worse, that's a pretty solid fact. Like, it can't be easily disputed.
Garrosh is the warrior hero of Hearthstone too. So this decision has implications outside of just WoW.
If it were up to me, and I were picking an Orc warrior, I'd pick Saurfang. But only WoW players, who played between a specific date range are going to know who he is. He has certainly fallen into obscurity in recent expansions.
So I totally understand why they went with Garrosh. Do I think he's a terrible character? Yes. Do I think he totally sucks? Yes. Do I wish there were other, better Orc warriors? Yes.
But you can't really deny that they went with the most iconic option they have, and that's what HotS is all about, really. Blizzard icons.
I think Grom hellscream is easily as recognizable as garrosh is. I guess maybe there can be an argument made that garrosh has a bigger audience due to hearthstone but Grom is there too. He also isn't as universally reviled.
Edit: I'd also be surprised if there was no SC tie in hero around the remaster launch next month.
Grom has been the focus of three expansions to WoW and has been physically present in five of them.
Garrosh does not have nearly the same amount of recognizablility.
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I would have made Grom a Blademaster, since that's what he was in WC3.
Samuro is a nobody and I don't know why they picked him to represent that class.
Grom is the greatest Orc who ever lived, and he's pretty much my favorite character in WC lore, but I'd classify him as Blademaster since that's what his first appearance was.
He was only a Blademaster in WC3 because they didn't have a better Hero in the game to represent him. But Grom is nothing like a Blademaster.
In WC2 Grom was a Grunt though. He killed Mannoroth with Gorehowl too. Grom is more old school gamer though whereas Garrosh is more millennial+ gamer so no surprise they went with him.
Hope he is fun though. The best warrior from wow in Hots right now is Anub heh. Granted he was one of my favorite raid fights but still.
I would have made Grom a Blademaster, since that's what he was in WC3.
Samuro is a nobody and I don't know why they picked him to represent that class.
Grom is the greatest Orc who ever lived, and he's pretty much my favorite character in WC lore, but I'd classify him as Blademaster since that's what his first appearance was.
To be fair samuro isn't a total nobody. He was actually a name you could get in WC3 multiplayer. That being said Grom in my head is always a blademaster as well (although he was a grunt before that). That's why I'm curious what he will be when he does show up. I dunno what he was like in warlords as I stopped playing partway into cataclysm, so long before that xpac. I think he could work as a madhup of Varian (charge) and samuro (critical strike) and kinda going from there. However I expect something totally different to come from blizzard
Garrosh is the most famous Orc warrior. For better or worse, that's a pretty solid fact. Like, it can't be easily disputed.
Garrosh is the warrior hero of Hearthstone too. So this decision has implications outside of just WoW.
If it were up to me, and I were picking an Orc warrior, I'd pick Saurfang. But only WoW players, who played between a specific date range are going to know who he is. He has certainly fallen into obscurity in recent expansions.
So I totally understand why they went with Garrosh. Do I think he's a terrible character? Yes. Do I think he totally sucks? Yes. Do I wish there were other, better Orc warriors? Yes.
But you can't really deny that they went with the most iconic option they have, and that's what HotS is all about, really. Blizzard icons.
I think Grom hellscream is easily as recognizable as garrosh is. I guess maybe there can be an argument made that garrosh has a bigger audience due to hearthstone but Grom is there too. He also isn't as universally reviled.
Edit: I'd also be surprised if there was no SC tie in hero around the remaster launch next month.
Grom has been the focus of three expansions to WoW and has been physically present in five of them.
Garrosh does not have nearly the same amount of recognizablility.
You are getting the two mixed up.
Garrosh has been the focus of 3 major WoW expansions. Plus he had plenty of face time in earlier expansions as well, before he became the central focus. Garrosh took over as Warchief in Cataclysm. His warmongering is what caused the Pandaria invasion in the MoP expansion, and his lack of honor and lack of ability to admit defeat is what led to him time-traveling in the Warlords expansion and creating the Iron Horde.
Grom has only been featured in 1 WoW expansion, and they very specifically always called him Grommash because this is the Iron Horde version of Grom. From the alternate-past-present fucked up timeline parallel universe that was created by Garrosh.
I would have made Grom a Blademaster, since that's what he was in WC3.
Samuro is a nobody and I don't know why they picked him to represent that class.
Grom is the greatest Orc who ever lived, and he's pretty much my favorite character in WC lore, but I'd classify him as Blademaster since that's what his first appearance was.
Grom was only a blademaster because that was the class that made the most sense of those available to orcs. The point of the campaign was just teaching you the ropes of how units worked and such. Like Malfurion isn't a keeper of the grove, but the kit made sense for him.
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The best Orc Warrior that we should have gotten was Highlord Sarufang.
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Garrosh was a solid character in TBC and WOTLK. He even started off solid in Cata. It's just endgame Cata story turned him into a dipshit and then Panda Silly Time expansion basically went full Hitler with him and it was really dumb.
It's not like storytelling and character building has ever been Blizz's strong point anyway, right? It's like Shryke said, he started off pretty solid early on but then Cata/Mists rolled around and WOOPS HE'S ORC-HITLER? Blizz is good at making cool characters, but not so much beyond that.
Then he went complete goose in the next expansion with no real character growth to explain it.
Then he went Orc supremest after he got put in charge, was involved in the death of a fan favorite character, and suffered some amazingly schizophrenic character building.
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
So its because he's too cartoonishly evil in a way that people don't feel is earned or makes any sense?
Some people don't like the character, as in garrosh is a goose. Others don't like how blizzard handled the character and the effects that had. Others are both
A brief history of Garrosh, as told by Lucas, who might or might not have faulty old-man memory and is a highly unreliable source.
Garrosh is son of Grom. Grom is the greatest of all orcs, who slew the beast Mannaroth with a single blow.
Grom went through the dark portal during the original invasion, during the time of King Llane of Stormwind. Grom Hellscream was very young during the first campaign, but he left his wife and child behind on Draenor when he left.
Garrosh has grown up on crumbling, disintegrating, magically sundered Draenor. He has daddy issues, because daddy left him for the war. Garrosh grew up learning "the old ways" and due to his coming of age in the crappy wasteland of Outland, his worldview is very skewed. His hatred and bile against the other races are justified, and it makes sense that he doesn't trust the other races. His experience with High Elves is that their magic tore his world apart (Kael'thas) and his experience with humans is that they are the invaders, because they pushed back through the Dark Portal into his homeland in the "Through the Dark Portal" expansion of WC2. And it is his experience that Night Elves are demon loving, power hungry assholes (Illidan). So yeah, his hatred of the other races is mostly understandable.
The player meets young Garrosh in the Outland (Burning Crusade) campaign.
At some point, he comes through the portal to Azeroth and joins with the horde forces there.
In the Cataclysm expansion, he rises to power and claims the role of Warchief when Thrall steps aside. Thrall's role in the world of Azeroth becomes too big for him to be contained by the horde. He is a world champion, much like Malfurion doesn't really belong to the Alliance or the Night Elves. Not anymore. Thrall and Malfurion both transcended.
And then as Warchief and hatemonger, Garrosh orders the invasion of Pandaria, searching for new power and ways to defeat the alliance. He fuses with a Sha, gains ancient demonic power, and nearly destroys the continent (maybe even the world) in his quest for absolute power.
He is defeated, put in chains, and sentenced to die. He is aided in escape and a traitorous Bronze Dragon helps him hop realities into the Alternate Universe where he meets his alternate-father, Grommash. He teams up with his AU Dad to form the Iron Horde, with plans to re-invade Azeroth and reclaim what was stolen from him at the end of Pandaria.
Thrall kills Garrosh at the end of Warlords of Draenor.
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
Ummm, yeah they do? You get the Innkeeper announcing the names at the beginning of every single game.
I don't know who Anduin, Garrosh, Medivh, Rexxar, etc. are from Warcraft. But I can name all of them from Hearthstone! (I can't name that one girl Paladin, I guess I don't see her enough.)
A brief history of Garrosh, as told by Lucas, who might or might not have faulty old-man memory and is a highly unreliable source.
Garrosh is son of Grom. Grom is the greatest of all orcs, who slew the beast Mannaroth with a single blow.
Grom went through the dark portal during the original invasion, during the time of King Llane of Stormwind. Grom Hellscream was very young during the first campaign, but he left his wife and child behind on Draenor when he left.
Garrosh has grown up on crumbling, disintegrating, magically sundered Draenor. He has daddy issues, because daddy left him for the war. Garrosh grew up learning "the old ways" and due to his coming of age in the crappy wasteland of Outland, his worldview is very skewed. His hatred and bile against the other races are justified, and it makes sense that he doesn't trust the other races. His experience with High Elves is that their magic tore his world apart (Kael'thas) and his experience with humans is that they are the invaders, because they pushed back through the Dark Portal into his homeland in the "Through the Dark Portal" expansion of WC2. And it is his experience that Night Elves are demon loving, power hungry assholes (Illidan). So yeah, his hatred of the other races is mostly understandable.
The player meets young Garrosh in the Outland (Burning Crusade) campaign.
At some point, he comes through the portal to Azeroth and joins with the horde forces there.
In the Cataclysm expansion, he rises to power and claims the role of Warchief when Thrall steps aside. Thrall's role in the world of Azeroth becomes too big for him to be contained by the horde. He is a world champion, much like Malfurion doesn't really belong to the Alliance or the Night Elves. Not anymore. Thrall and Malfurion both transcended.
And then as Warchief and hatemonger, Garrosh orders the invasion of Pandaria, searching for new power and ways to defeat the alliance. He fuses with a Sha, gains ancient demonic power, and nearly destroys the continent (maybe even the world) in his quest for absolute power.
He is defeated, put in chains, and sentenced to die. He is aided in escape and a traitorous Bronze Dragon helps him hop realities into the Alternate Universe where he meets his alternate-father, Grommash. He teams up with his AU Dad to form the Iron Horde, with plans to re-invade Azeroth and reclaim what was stolen from him at the end of Pandaria.
Thrall kills Garrosh at the end of Warlords of Draenor.
Pretty accurate, he's exceptionally emo when you first meet him because his daddy issues extend to the fact that his father was the first to drink demon blood (as in blood, from an actual demon) and therefore lead the orcs into the servitude of the Burning Legion (and thus was reviled by the "pure" orcs). It wasn't until Thrall showed him how his father died that he began to get past that.
Also, early on as Warchief he ended up killing Cairne Bloodhoof (a fan favorite stemming back from WC3) during a duel (it was actually due to poison from one of Cairne's political rivals), but many people still blame him for it.
Kinda none of that matters because the fantasy nazi garrosh was so annoying.
Pandaria garrosh made me hate the last 6 months of my favorite wow expansion. I loved the aesthetic and feel of MoP and then fantasy hitler showed up to ruin everything.
Garrosh was a solid character in TBC and WOTLK. He even started off solid in Cata. It's just endgame Cata story turned him into a dipshit and then Panda Silly Time expansion basically went full Hitler with him and it was really dumb.
It's not like storytelling and character building has ever been Blizz's strong point anyway, right? It's like Shryke said, he started off pretty solid early on but then Cata/Mists rolled around and WOOPS HE'S ORC-HITLER? Blizz is good at making cool characters, but not so much beyond that.
Because they made him a Mary Sue and then the Orc you want to be
Then killed him in the silly sideshow of a raid as We need content now!
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I'm with Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
Ummm, yeah they do? You get the Innkeeper announcing the names at the beginning of every single game.
I don't know who Anduin, Garrosh, Medivh, Rexxar, etc. are from Warcraft. But I can name all of them from Hearthstone! (I can't name that one girl Paladin, I guess I don't see her enough.)
Lady Liadrin. She's the one hero Hearthstone hero who's lore I didn't bother to look up so I can't tell you anything beyond that :P
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
Even though the Innkeeper literally says the names every single game at the start?
Part of me has the wish I could play hearthstone in wow
I know it's two different game engines and blah blah blah but still with the number of boards you see in the world and that toy you just flip the board it would be fun to waste a few minutes with since you have to wait for others or listen to raid leaders talk strategy :rotate:
Garrosh is the only orc I give a shit about. Dude came from Outland, knew what orcs in-touch with the old ways looked like; knew how good it was. Came to Kalimdor, and was rightfully shitty at the state of the Horde, essentially Thrall hiding behind Jaina's coat-tails, and the Horde itself basically just BEING ALLOWED by the Alliance to exist, out in the fucking desert. With Saurfang as a mentor, he proves himself over and over again, enough that Thrall entrusts the Horde to him in his absence. Dude starts changing shit in a big way - kicking commanders off of fucking cliffs when they show dishonor on the battlefield, because that's not how the Horde rolls.
This Garrosh will always be Garrosh to me.
Everything that happened after isn't his fault, it's Blizzard's fault, and specifically Metzen's, for being shit writers. They literally have no idea how to write the classic savage hero archetype; every time they try, shit goes ass up immediately.
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
Ummm, yeah they do? You get the Innkeeper announcing the names at the beginning of every single game.
I don't know who Anduin, Garrosh, Medivh, Rexxar, etc. are from Warcraft. But I can name all of them from Hearthstone! (I can't name that one girl Paladin, I guess I don't see her enough.)
Nobody in my experience thinks of them as characters. Garrosh is "some warrior" at best. The cards have far more personality and recognition then any of the classes.
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I think Grom hellscream is easily as recognizable as garrosh is. I guess maybe there can be an argument made that garrosh has a bigger audience due to hearthstone but Grom is there too. He also isn't as universally reviled.
Edit: I'd also be surprised if there was no SC tie in hero around the remaster launch next month.
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Samuro is a nobody and I don't know why they picked him to represent that class.
Grom is the greatest Orc who ever lived, and he's pretty much my favorite character in WC lore, but I'd classify him as Blademaster since that's what his first appearance was.
As I understand it, the original plan was for him to be a dick, but not full-Sylvannas-raidboss evil. Somehow there was a miscommunication and the dev teams thought they meant raidboss evil and shifted gears and before anyone noticed it was too late to go back and change things.
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I don't remember anything particularly dumb in WOTLK. Just him being a hothead.
Sure it can. Grom. Very squishy fact disputed.
I'm fairly sure that the majority of people working for Blizzard have difficulty distinguishing degrees of evil between "irritating," and "maniacal," so that checks out.
Grom has been the focus of three expansions to WoW and has been physically present in five of them.
Garrosh does not have nearly the same amount of recognizablility.
He was only a Blademaster in WC3 because they didn't have a better Hero in the game to represent him. But Grom is nothing like a Blademaster.
Hope he is fun though. The best warrior from wow in Hots right now is Anub heh. Granted he was one of my favorite raid fights but still.
To be fair samuro isn't a total nobody. He was actually a name you could get in WC3 multiplayer. That being said Grom in my head is always a blademaster as well (although he was a grunt before that). That's why I'm curious what he will be when he does show up. I dunno what he was like in warlords as I stopped playing partway into cataclysm, so long before that xpac. I think he could work as a madhup of Varian (charge) and samuro (critical strike) and kinda going from there. However I expect something totally different to come from blizzard
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You are getting the two mixed up.
Garrosh has been the focus of 3 major WoW expansions. Plus he had plenty of face time in earlier expansions as well, before he became the central focus. Garrosh took over as Warchief in Cataclysm. His warmongering is what caused the Pandaria invasion in the MoP expansion, and his lack of honor and lack of ability to admit defeat is what led to him time-traveling in the Warlords expansion and creating the Iron Horde.
Grom has only been featured in 1 WoW expansion, and they very specifically always called him Grommash because this is the Iron Horde version of Grom. From the alternate-past-present fucked up timeline parallel universe that was created by Garrosh.
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When he was introduced he was incredibly emo.
Then he went complete goose in the next expansion with no real character growth to explain it.
Then he went Orc supremest after he got put in charge, was involved in the death of a fan favorite character, and suffered some amazingly schizophrenic character building.
Depends on where you met him
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And was never that likable to begin with pre-heel turn, from what I've gathered.
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A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
Some people don't like the character, as in garrosh is a goose. Others don't like how blizzard handled the character and the effects that had. Others are both
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Grom went through the dark portal during the original invasion, during the time of King Llane of Stormwind. Grom Hellscream was very young during the first campaign, but he left his wife and child behind on Draenor when he left.
Garrosh has grown up on crumbling, disintegrating, magically sundered Draenor. He has daddy issues, because daddy left him for the war. Garrosh grew up learning "the old ways" and due to his coming of age in the crappy wasteland of Outland, his worldview is very skewed. His hatred and bile against the other races are justified, and it makes sense that he doesn't trust the other races. His experience with High Elves is that their magic tore his world apart (Kael'thas) and his experience with humans is that they are the invaders, because they pushed back through the Dark Portal into his homeland in the "Through the Dark Portal" expansion of WC2. And it is his experience that Night Elves are demon loving, power hungry assholes (Illidan). So yeah, his hatred of the other races is mostly understandable.
The player meets young Garrosh in the Outland (Burning Crusade) campaign.
At some point, he comes through the portal to Azeroth and joins with the horde forces there.
In the Cataclysm expansion, he rises to power and claims the role of Warchief when Thrall steps aside. Thrall's role in the world of Azeroth becomes too big for him to be contained by the horde. He is a world champion, much like Malfurion doesn't really belong to the Alliance or the Night Elves. Not anymore. Thrall and Malfurion both transcended.
And then as Warchief and hatemonger, Garrosh orders the invasion of Pandaria, searching for new power and ways to defeat the alliance. He fuses with a Sha, gains ancient demonic power, and nearly destroys the continent (maybe even the world) in his quest for absolute power.
He is defeated, put in chains, and sentenced to die. He is aided in escape and a traitorous Bronze Dragon helps him hop realities into the Alternate Universe where he meets his alternate-father, Grommash. He teams up with his AU Dad to form the Iron Horde, with plans to re-invade Azeroth and reclaim what was stolen from him at the end of Pandaria.
Thrall kills Garrosh at the end of Warlords of Draenor.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
and by classes you mean warrior vs priest vs rogue vs druid vs shaman vs demon vs tauren vs whatever?
cuz I know what all those mean =P
mostly from the Warcraft RTS games...
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Each class hero is a specific character. IE When playing warrior, you are playing as Garrosh. Mage is Jaina, etc.
Ummm, yeah they do? You get the Innkeeper announcing the names at the beginning of every single game.
I don't know who Anduin, Garrosh, Medivh, Rexxar, etc. are from Warcraft. But I can name all of them from Hearthstone! (I can't name that one girl Paladin, I guess I don't see her enough.)
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Pretty accurate, he's exceptionally emo when you first meet him because his daddy issues extend to the fact that his father was the first to drink demon blood (as in blood, from an actual demon) and therefore lead the orcs into the servitude of the Burning Legion (and thus was reviled by the "pure" orcs). It wasn't until Thrall showed him how his father died that he began to get past that.
Also, early on as Warchief he ended up killing Cairne Bloodhoof (a fan favorite stemming back from WC3) during a duel (it was actually due to poison from one of Cairne's political rivals), but many people still blame him for it.
Pandaria garrosh made me hate the last 6 months of my favorite wow expansion. I loved the aesthetic and feel of MoP and then fantasy hitler showed up to ruin everything.
Because they made him a Mary Sue and then the Orc you want to be
Then killed him in the silly sideshow of a raid as We need content now!
Lady Liadrin. She's the one hero Hearthstone hero who's lore I didn't bother to look up so I can't tell you anything beyond that :P
also take out the damn batsignals ya nerds
Even though the Innkeeper literally says the names every single game at the start?
I know it's two different game engines and blah blah blah but still with the number of boards you see in the world and that toy you just flip the board it would be fun to waste a few minutes with since you have to wait for others or listen to raid leaders talk strategy :rotate:
@kime
Also, something about heroes, too many orcs. Need some actual variety in heroes, etc. etc..
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This Garrosh will always be Garrosh to me.
Everything that happened after isn't his fault, it's Blizzard's fault, and specifically Metzen's, for being shit writers. They literally have no idea how to write the classic savage hero archetype; every time they try, shit goes ass up immediately.
Nobody in my experience thinks of them as characters. Garrosh is "some warrior" at best. The cards have far more personality and recognition then any of the classes.