[FFRK] 30th Anniversary Fest Tonight! Free 30 pull to get you started.

Brody

And now I'm looking at keepers choice banner 2, because maybe all I need is a platinum sword. Fuck you magicite, I will not pull on that garbage again.

silence1186

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

Aegis

Living Flame taunts me, because I can grind him down to around ~30%, but it's so slow going that's about the limit.

Even a single Water BSB (*COUGH*) would probably push it over the edge.

Bismarck's now dealing 4x2.5k damage to him though, which is cute.

mercurialchemister

~330 mythril on both accounts. Interested in the FFV banner, but unsure if I'll actually pull. I greatly prefer Fest banners...

38thDoe

Hydra down 1.01.06 by replacing Maria with Radiant Shield. I'm hoping to get a few Enlil to help me push attack up enough to get faster easier clears on things.

Gnizmo

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

What is your water SB situation like? Eventually everything is power creeped, and Bismarck can speed that process up certainly. Can't hurt to use the thread to workshop a team though. Sure helps me on occasion.

chrisnl

I find it really interesting that Radiant Shield can account for that much damage against Hydra. Unfortunately it doesn't really fit into my team, as my party haste is being provided by Onion Knight (who is also entrusting) and my only Radiant Shield is on Alphinaud. I suppose I could replace Maria with Alphinaud and Rapha with Krile, leaving Onion Knight to just entrust instead of using his BSB, but I foresee a rather major hone issue with that strategy. Oh well, I can beat that one in under a minute reasonably reliably, so I'm not going to stress about it.

I've been contemplating trying a super cheese retaliate strategy, as I think I have the pieces to make it work. I have Cloud with his USB and legend dive, Y'shtola with her legend dive to keep people alive, Ramza with Chant, Onion Knight with Vessel of Fate and Minfilia with her ATK buff + last stand SSB. I think the screenshot I saw of the guy that did it had Tyro in there instead of a healer, though. I'm not entirely certain how you survive long enough to make it work, to be honest.

silence1186

Gnizmo wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

What is your water SB situation like? Eventually everything is power creeped, and Bismarck can speed that process up certainly. Can't hurt to use the thread to workshop a team though. Sure helps me on occasion.

Bartz BSB1 command, which is Waterga Strike. So nearly nothing.

I tried to get cute like fattybomcha with Retaliate, but I'm not quite there. I thought Minfilia SSB would stand in for Cid 7, but it's too slow getting started and putters out about 30% health at 30s in.

Now I'm thinking:
Cloud USB/BSB2 Omega Drive
Celes Indom Blade Engulfing Twinstrike
Ramza Shout/Chant
Alphinaud Radiant Shield healer
Magicite Bismarck

For the last slot I'm not sure. Possibly still Bartz BSB1 or maybe Ayame BSB.

38thDoe

chrisnl wrote: »

I find it really interesting that Radiant Shield can account for that much damage against Hydra. Unfortunately it doesn't really fit into my team, as my party haste is being provided by Onion Knight (who is also entrusting) and my only Radiant Shield is on Alphinaud. I suppose I could replace Maria with Alphinaud and Rapha with Krile, leaving Onion Knight to just entrust instead of using his BSB, but I foresee a rather major hone issue with that strategy. Oh well, I can beat that one in under a minute reasonably reliably, so I'm not going to stress about it.

I've been contemplating trying a super cheese retaliate strategy, as I think I have the pieces to make it work. I have Cloud with his USB and legend dive, Y'shtola with her legend dive to keep people alive, Ramza with Chant, Onion Knight with Vessel of Fate and Minfilia with her ATK buff + last stand SSB. I think the screenshot I saw of the guy that did it had Tyro in there instead of a healer, though. I'm not entirely certain how you survive long enough to make it work, to be honest.

It is much easier for me because I can replace OK with Tyro USB for haste and Maria for Alphi for the +30/30 and get stock and astra as a bonus. Also tyro is quicker at getting the bar back up because he gets quickcast from USB.

chrisnl

Cloud USB with Omega Drive was pretty clutch for me against Living Flame, but I also had Tidus BSB which was doing about 10k per C1 and maybe 25k on subsequent entries. Omega Drive was clocking in at a hair under 40k an activation with VoF, Shout and Chant active. Water is an annoyingly difficult element to find soul breaks for, though, and I bet Living Flame is going to be a roadblock for a lot of people.

It's a damn shame we aren't getting the Super Fest elementally themed banners, I would very much like more ice options than a couple ice aura mage SSBs and Squall's unique. I'll still give it a try at some point, but I think ice is going to be the hardest one for me.

Gnizmo

silence1186 wrote: »

Gnizmo wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

What is your water SB situation like? Eventually everything is power creeped, and Bismarck can speed that process up certainly. Can't hurt to use the thread to workshop a team though. Sure helps me on occasion.

Bartz BSB1 command, which is Waterga Strike. So nearly nothing.

I tried to get cute like fattybomcha with Retaliate, but I'm not quite there. I thought Minfilia SSB would stand in for Cid 7, but it's too slow getting started and putters out about 30% health at 30s in.

Now I'm thinking:
Cloud USB/BSB2 Omega Drive
Celes Indom Blade Engulfing Twinstrike
Ramza Shout/Chant
Alphinaud Radiant Shield healer
Magicite Bismarck

For the last slot I'm not sure. Possibly still Bartz BSB1 or maybe Ayame BSB.

Nothing else that gives you +atk and haste like OK BSB or similar I assume? Hum. Rough spot I admit. Sapphire Shot is also a good source of water damage if you happen to have a shooter you can throw in. Rikku USB seems a solid option if you can afford to squeeze it in. Rikku/Minfilla/Ramza for buffing and your best healer to keep ya running while relying on Cloud USB and Sapphire Shot for back up. Water Veil on Ramza can get you some damage as well. I dunno how well, or what is needed for Cloud USB over whelm strategy though.

Darklyre

I have more than enough water damage to take out Living Flame, I'm just not sure as to the optimal combo.

Rikku BSB/USB
Yuffie BSB/USB
Bartz BSB2
Tidus BSB

Rikku can cover both a 30/30 and imperil, but she'd need a dedicated Entrust bot just for her. Yuffie is pretty self-sustaining once she gets going, same as Bartz and Tidus.

Jragghen

2CM jump start down. Impromptu modified holy team worked well. Don't think I can swing 3CM, though, because it relies on the external people so much.

Rinoa with faith and her OSB (and a summon) to deal what she could
Selphie with shellga, curaja, and her SSB medica with magic blink (which really helped)
Ramza with Shout, chant, then BSB
Cid Raines with holy imperil x3
TGCid with cloud USB, powerchain, and BSB
Sea Lion was clutch for the wind attack dodge

TGCid was hitting over 20k per hit on his entry, which was borderline absurd. Only question was if healing could keep up, which thankfully it did.

Jragghen

Whoops, double.

Fry

Darklyre wrote: »

I have more than enough water damage to take out Living Flame, I'm just not sure as to the optimal combo.

Rikku BSB/USB
Yuffie BSB/USB
Bartz BSB2
Tidus BSB

Rikku can cover both a 30/30 and imperil, but she'd need a dedicated Entrust bot just for her. Yuffie is pretty self-sustaining once she gets going, same as Bartz and Tidus.

My starting point would be those four plus healer. Don't bother trying to work in Rikku BSB, just have her use the USB and then blast with Sapphire Shot or Thief's Revenge or something. Give the +water fist to Yuffie. Try Steal Power on Yuffie or Bartz for the ATK boost.

Depending on how that all goes, maybe even drop the healer for entrustbot to get Yuffie USB going. Instant medica that ALSO deals a crapton of damage because you have enwater going from the burst could be pretty darn good, especially as low as Liquid Flame's damage output tends to be.

silence1186

Gnizmo wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Gnizmo wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

What is your water SB situation like? Eventually everything is power creeped, and Bismarck can speed that process up certainly. Can't hurt to use the thread to workshop a team though. Sure helps me on occasion.

Bartz BSB1 command, which is Waterga Strike. So nearly nothing.

I tried to get cute like fattybomcha with Retaliate, but I'm not quite there. I thought Minfilia SSB would stand in for Cid 7, but it's too slow getting started and putters out about 30% health at 30s in.

Now I'm thinking:
Cloud USB/BSB2 Omega Drive
Celes Indom Blade Engulfing Twinstrike
Ramza Shout/Chant
Alphinaud Radiant Shield healer
Magicite Bismarck

For the last slot I'm not sure. Possibly still Bartz BSB1 or maybe Ayame BSB.

Nothing else that gives you +atk and haste like OK BSB or similar I assume? Hum. Rough spot I admit. Sapphire Shot is also a good source of water damage if you happen to have a shooter you can throw in. Rikku USB seems a solid option if you can afford to squeeze it in. Rikku/Minfilla/Ramza for buffing and your best healer to keep ya running while relying on Cloud USB and Sapphire Shot for back up. Water Veil on Ramza can get you some damage as well. I dunno how well, or what is needed for Cloud USB over whelm strategy though.

Alphinaud has 30/30 in my scenario and Ramza hastega.

Fry

XI Cid Mission:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWeV_kpPdnU

Lion BSB and Prishe SSB is enough for me to win a straight out slugfest. Even if Curilla bit the dust right away. :X

Ardor

So with magicite dungeons out, my focus has gone from realm synergy to elemental coverage. My only OSB is lightning and my offensive USB is Lightning. Otherwise, if I had 150 mythril, should I consider Bartz USB or Edge USB? I have Edge bsb and Bartz ssb.

Spectrum

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

Aegis wrote: »

Living Flame taunts me, because I can grind him down to around ~30%, but it's so slow going that's about the limit.

Even a single Water BSB (*COUGH*) would probably push it over the edge.

Bismarck's now dealing 4x2.5k damage to him though, which is cute.

Same problem I have, Liquid Flame is my white whale. I just can't do enough damage before hones run out/before wall runs out and Savage Flames out of nowhere start killing people.

I tried
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB - no one actually does more than 8k/turn once my R2 Engulfing Twinstrike and Sapphire Shot run out and that's just not nearly fast enough.
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Alphinaud SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - eventually I run out of Piercing Strikes/hones on Alphinaud/some damage gets through and explodes a character and the run falls apart
Vanile BSB, Ramza Shout, Zell SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - same problem as above, eventually run out of Piercing Strikes and people also start exploding at the same time

I'm getting ready to try Vanille BSB, Alphinaud SSB, Mog BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB instead and just try to grind out a slow ass win. I had to slot Mog BSB for a BSB hastega even if it doesn't really help me much and I'll move Alphinaud to dpsing with water spells or something instead.

Spectrum

another day, another pull



Pull 8 - Prishe BSB (dupe), Lion SSB (4th dupe)

yeah okay I give up

you win DeNA, I'm picking Ayame BSB off the gem banner instead of Ashe or anyone else that I wanted

*grumble*

chrisnl

Spectrum wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

Aegis wrote: »

Living Flame taunts me, because I can grind him down to around ~30%, but it's so slow going that's about the limit.

Even a single Water BSB (*COUGH*) would probably push it over the edge.

Bismarck's now dealing 4x2.5k damage to him though, which is cute.

Same problem I have, Liquid Flame is my white whale. I just can't do enough damage before hones run out/before wall runs out and Savage Flames out of nowhere start killing people.

I tried
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB - no one actually does more than 8k/turn once my R2 Engulfing Twinstrike and Sapphire Shot run out and that's just not nearly fast enough.
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Alphinaud SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - eventually I run out of Piercing Strikes/hones on Alphinaud/some damage gets through and explodes a character and the run falls apart
Vanile BSB, Ramza Shout, Zell SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - same problem as above, eventually run out of Piercing Strikes and people also start exploding at the same time

I'm getting ready to try Vanille BSB, Alphinaud SSB, Mog BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB instead and just try to grind out a slow ass win. I had to slot Mog BSB for a BSB hastega even if it doesn't really help me much and I'll move Alphinaud to dpsing with water spells or something instead.

Have you considered Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB and Alphinaud SSB? With Shout and VoF my Tidus was doing 10k per C1 with his BSB and no +water equipment. I guess it also depends which Bartz BSB that is, BSB1 likely does very little damage but BSB2 might be doing decently enough. I know that Radiant Shield isn't necessarily the best for this fight, but combined with the extra ATK it should outdo your weakest of your three DPSers I would imagine.

Spectrum

chrisnl wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

Aegis wrote: »

Living Flame taunts me, because I can grind him down to around ~30%, but it's so slow going that's about the limit.

Even a single Water BSB (*COUGH*) would probably push it over the edge.

Bismarck's now dealing 4x2.5k damage to him though, which is cute.

Same problem I have, Liquid Flame is my white whale. I just can't do enough damage before hones run out/before wall runs out and Savage Flames out of nowhere start killing people.

I tried
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB - no one actually does more than 8k/turn once my R2 Engulfing Twinstrike and Sapphire Shot run out and that's just not nearly fast enough.
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Alphinaud SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - eventually I run out of Piercing Strikes/hones on Alphinaud/some damage gets through and explodes a character and the run falls apart
Vanile BSB, Ramza Shout, Zell SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - same problem as above, eventually run out of Piercing Strikes and people also start exploding at the same time

I'm getting ready to try Vanille BSB, Alphinaud SSB, Mog BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB instead and just try to grind out a slow ass win. I had to slot Mog BSB for a BSB hastega even if it doesn't really help me much and I'll move Alphinaud to dpsing with water spells or something instead.

Have you considered Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB and Alphinaud SSB? With Shout and VoF my Tidus was doing 10k per C1 with his BSB and no +water equipment. I guess it also depends which Bartz BSB that is, BSB1 likely does very little damage but BSB2 might be doing decently enough. I know that Radiant Shield isn't necessarily the best for this fight, but combined with the extra ATK it should outdo your weakest of your three DPSers I would imagine.

It's Bartz BSB2, sorry, sloppy of me.

The problem I really have is that Tidus and Bartz are both only 80 and not 4* dived and Yuffie has bad base ATK (and not 4* dived either). For that last try I was going to put Steal Power on Yuffie and Bartz has his CMD1 to get the double stack going even if it's less damage for a single turn. Alternatively run Ramza instead of Mog and just double Phantasm because Alphinaud at 80 also has garbo MAG and even a double stack is doing 4k/turn with Waterjas which is crap and Phantasm was at least doing 6k.

Narbus

Ardor wrote: »

So with magicite dungeons out, my focus has gone from realm synergy to elemental coverage. My only OSB is lightning and my offensive USB is Lightning. Otherwise, if I had 150 mythril, should I consider Bartz USB or Edge USB? I have Edge bsb and Bartz ssb.

Don't chase specific relics. Pull on banners with a variety of tools that you'd be happy with. I'm pulling on the first V banner because my V synergy is poop, and I'd be happy with basically any of those relics besides Galuf's two SSBs. Likewise, the IV banner gives me a shot at Edge's USB, Rosa's hilariously amazing USB, or a ton of fire damage, and I'd be happy with any of that.

Pull on banners, never pull on relics.

Spectrum

Narbus wrote: »

Ardor wrote: »

So with magicite dungeons out, my focus has gone from realm synergy to elemental coverage. My only OSB is lightning and my offensive USB is Lightning. Otherwise, if I had 150 mythril, should I consider Bartz USB or Edge USB? I have Edge bsb and Bartz ssb.

Don't chase specific relics. Pull on banners with a variety of tools that you'd be happy with. I'm pulling on the first V banner because my V synergy is poop, and I'd be happy with basically any of those relics besides Galuf's two SSBs. Likewise, the IV banner gives me a shot at Edge's USB, Rosa's hilariously amazing USB, or a ton of fire damage, and I'd be happy with any of that.

Pull on banners, never pull on relics.

Yeah don't listen to this guy. Look, DeNA execs need new boats, we all gotta do our part.

There's basically only 2 relics I'm really in love with on the upcoming V Banner 1 but I'm throwing 2 pulls anyway to chase Faris USB2.

Aegis

Realized I have all these motes for abilities I'm never going to use, so let's do some housecleaning!

Crystals: +5 Fire, +13 Ice, +14 Lightning, +9 Earth, +3 Wind, +5 Holy, +6 Darkness

That was very satisfying.

Jragghen

Hydra down in fucking 1:20.92. No, that time is not a typo.

Got room to grow here - primary DPS was only level 81.

Still, that's four down!

Ardor

Narbus wrote: »

Ardor wrote: »

So with magicite dungeons out, my focus has gone from realm synergy to elemental coverage. My only OSB is lightning and my offensive USB is Lightning. Otherwise, if I had 150 mythril, should I consider Bartz USB or Edge USB? I have Edge bsb and Bartz ssb.

Don't chase specific relics. Pull on banners with a variety of tools that you'd be happy with. I'm pulling on the first V banner because my V synergy is poop, and I'd be happy with basically any of those relics besides Galuf's two SSBs. Likewise, the IV banner gives me a shot at Edge's USB, Rosa's hilariously amazing USB, or a ton of fire damage, and I'd be happy with any of that.

Pull on banners, never pull on relics.

I was always on that boat, but to be fair, getting Lightning usb and bsb2 has made a lot of fights significantly easier. So I can see huge value in a single relic that may, for example, let me do a sub 30 or 60 second run on magicite. Most bosses now, I just use Lightning and an entrust or imperil and clear it easily.

So I'm starting to change my mind in that.

Enlong

Narbus wrote: »

Ardor wrote: »

So with magicite dungeons out, my focus has gone from realm synergy to elemental coverage. My only OSB is lightning and my offensive USB is Lightning. Otherwise, if I had 150 mythril, should I consider Bartz USB or Edge USB? I have Edge bsb and Bartz ssb.

Don't chase specific relics. Pull on banners with a variety of tools that you'd be happy with. I'm pulling on the first V banner because my V synergy is poop, and I'd be happy with basically any of those relics besides Galuf's two SSBs. Likewise, the IV banner gives me a shot at Edge's USB, Rosa's hilariously amazing USB, or a ton of fire damage, and I'd be happy with any of that.

Pull on banners, never pull on relics.

Even Galuf's stuff has some fun stuff in it. If you get his invincible mode, you get to try super goofy team compositions that would never otherwise work.

Fry

Spectrum wrote: »

chrisnl wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

Aegis wrote: »

Living Flame taunts me, because I can grind him down to around ~30%, but it's so slow going that's about the limit.

Even a single Water BSB (*COUGH*) would probably push it over the edge.

Bismarck's now dealing 4x2.5k damage to him though, which is cute.

Same problem I have, Liquid Flame is my white whale. I just can't do enough damage before hones run out/before wall runs out and Savage Flames out of nowhere start killing people.

I tried
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB - no one actually does more than 8k/turn once my R2 Engulfing Twinstrike and Sapphire Shot run out and that's just not nearly fast enough.
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Alphinaud SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - eventually I run out of Piercing Strikes/hones on Alphinaud/some damage gets through and explodes a character and the run falls apart
Vanile BSB, Ramza Shout, Zell SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - same problem as above, eventually run out of Piercing Strikes and people also start exploding at the same time

I'm getting ready to try Vanille BSB, Alphinaud SSB, Mog BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB instead and just try to grind out a slow ass win. I had to slot Mog BSB for a BSB hastega even if it doesn't really help me much and I'll move Alphinaud to dpsing with water spells or something instead.

Have you considered Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB and Alphinaud SSB? With Shout and VoF my Tidus was doing 10k per C1 with his BSB and no +water equipment. I guess it also depends which Bartz BSB that is, BSB1 likely does very little damage but BSB2 might be doing decently enough. I know that Radiant Shield isn't necessarily the best for this fight, but combined with the extra ATK it should outdo your weakest of your three DPSers I would imagine.

It's Bartz BSB2, sorry, sloppy of me.

The problem I really have is that Tidus and Bartz are both only 80 and not 4* dived and Yuffie has bad base ATK (and not 4* dived either). For that last try I was going to put Steal Power on Yuffie and Bartz has his CMD1 to get the double stack going even if it's less damage for a single turn. Alternatively run Ramza instead of Mog and just double Phantasm because Alphinaud at 80 also has garbo MAG and even a double stack is doing 4k/turn with Waterjas which is crap and Phantasm was at least doing 6k.

If your problem is "I can't do damage fast enough" then surely adding +19 levels for roughly +38 ATK will help somewhat. If you can't get there with not one, not two, but THREE en-water DPS, man, I don't know what's going on. That sort of team should be contending for 30 second clears, not losing to enrage.

If Vanille + Ramza + Tidus + Yuffie + Bartz isn't working, maybe try Vanille + Ramza + Alphinaud + (Tidus/Yuffie) + Bartz. If you're below softcap even with Shout, you'll get decent damage out of the ATK/MAG buff from Deployment Tactics in addition to the damage from reflect.

silence1186

The jump from 80 to 99 is like 10% stats and 20% HP.

Spectrum

Fry wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

chrisnl wrote: »

Spectrum wrote: »

silence1186 wrote: »

Hmm. Living Flame may be literally impossible for me, both as is and possibly even forever. This sucks.

Back to the drawing board, I guess, though not sure what else to do.

Aegis wrote: »

Living Flame taunts me, because I can grind him down to around ~30%, but it's so slow going that's about the limit.

Even a single Water BSB (*COUGH*) would probably push it over the edge.

Bismarck's now dealing 4x2.5k damage to him though, which is cute.

Same problem I have, Liquid Flame is my white whale. I just can't do enough damage before hones run out/before wall runs out and Savage Flames out of nowhere start killing people.

I tried
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB - no one actually does more than 8k/turn once my R2 Engulfing Twinstrike and Sapphire Shot run out and that's just not nearly fast enough.
Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Alphinaud SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - eventually I run out of Piercing Strikes/hones on Alphinaud/some damage gets through and explodes a character and the run falls apart
Vanile BSB, Ramza Shout, Zell SSB, Prishe BSB, Refia BSB - same problem as above, eventually run out of Piercing Strikes and people also start exploding at the same time

I'm getting ready to try Vanille BSB, Alphinaud SSB, Mog BSB, Yuffie BSB, Bartz BSB instead and just try to grind out a slow ass win. I had to slot Mog BSB for a BSB hastega even if it doesn't really help me much and I'll move Alphinaud to dpsing with water spells or something instead.

Have you considered Vanille BSB, Ramza Shout, Tidus BSB, Yuffie BSB and Alphinaud SSB? With Shout and VoF my Tidus was doing 10k per C1 with his BSB and no +water equipment. I guess it also depends which Bartz BSB that is, BSB1 likely does very little damage but BSB2 might be doing decently enough. I know that Radiant Shield isn't necessarily the best for this fight, but combined with the extra ATK it should outdo your weakest of your three DPSers I would imagine.

It's Bartz BSB2, sorry, sloppy of me.

The problem I really have is that Tidus and Bartz are both only 80 and not 4* dived and Yuffie has bad base ATK (and not 4* dived either). For that last try I was going to put Steal Power on Yuffie and Bartz has his CMD1 to get the double stack going even if it's less damage for a single turn. Alternatively run Ramza instead of Mog and just double Phantasm because Alphinaud at 80 also has garbo MAG and even a double stack is doing 4k/turn with Waterjas which is crap and Phantasm was at least doing 6k.

If your problem is "I can't do damage fast enough" then surely adding +19 levels for roughly +38 ATK will help somewhat. If you can't get there with not one, not two, but THREE en-water DPS, man, I don't know what's going on. That sort of team should be contending for 30 second clears, not losing to enrage.

If Vanille + Ramza + Tidus + Yuffie + Bartz isn't working, maybe try Vanille + Ramza + Alphinaud + (Tidus/Yuffie) + Bartz. If you're below softcap even with Shout, you'll get decent damage out of the ATK/MAG buff from Deployment Tactics in addition to the damage from reflect.

I am scraping the bottom of the barrel for eggs with all the random people I've had to bring to 80 for these various clears and/or for RM2s that I never bothered getting before. =/ Zell, Alphinaud, Bartz to 80; Lion, Reno, Hope, Tifa, Shadow, Edgar, Aerith to 65.

Yeah, at 80 with no stats from accessories due to having KO/Fire Resist on Tidus and Bartz are barely pushing 400ATK for ~720 after a 50% and Burst Mode. They hit like wet noodles. Yuffie does a little better but not by much. Only a single 20% water booster and it's on Yuffie.

I'm going to be trying the latter next, fingers crossed. And just suck it up and put +35 ATK on Bartz because this is silly.

edit: okay mined souls/mc1/mc2s for eggs, that fills the tank up a bit

Aegis

That awkward feeling when you have the 100 Vit & Dex motes for Bartz's legend dive, but you're missing 15 4* Dex & 69 4* Vit motes to unlock the legend dive in the first place.

silence1186

Hmm. I have a maybe promising team, but I keep having attempts ruined by Paralyze or Counter Fira. Hand, seriously, knock off your bullshit.

Aegis

Eiko's nice for the first part, but yes: 20% Counter Fira, 100% of the time.

chrisnl

Hrm it looks like my attempts at Fenrir are going to have to wait a bit, I haven't leveled Squall past 80 yet. I suppose I could just feed him a bunch of eggs, it's not like I am short of them (2491 2*, 2791 3*, 1716 4* and 607 5*) but I have been having a hard time deciding on people for my daily dungeon party so he could fit the bill there for a while. It's not like I'm in a super hurry to clear the first 6 magicite dungeons, though it would be nice to get an Enkidu.

silence1186

Uuugh, almost had it, but Savage Firaga gibbed all but Celes with two stacks of Imperil fire. Going to need to fish for more Omega Drive double casts. Boo RNG. Boo!

Spectrum

chrisnl wrote: »

I suppose I could just feed him a bunch of eggs, it's not like I am short of them (2491 2*, 2791 3*, 1716 4* and 607 5*)

lol...

For reference, I have: 1423 2*, 888 3*, 402 4*, 27 5*

You are doing -fine- on eggs. Go spend some.

ArcTangent

Your definition of "scraping the bottom of the barrel" is more like "five barrels full to overflowing"

Madican

Contemplating between pulling once tomorrow or saving everything for the banners coming end of September. On the one hand, it'd be a good idea to expand my tiny pool and maybe snag something awesome that can help upgrade my killing potential. On the other, those are some strong banners in a wide variety in a month and I currently only have 150 mithril in the bank, so bang for buck is a factor.

Spectrum

ArcTangent wrote: »

Your definition of "scraping the bottom of the barrel" is more like "five barrels full to overflowing"

I'm down to only being able to fully egg maybe 6 characters 1-80. Yeah, that's bottom of the barrel.

I still need to do Kuja and god knows who else for Mist Dragon, though I should be okay for Shadow Dragon.

And then anyone for the V and other Torment CMs, not sure who I'll need there.