So in addition to being pardoned, Sherriff Joe thinks he should have his conviction wiped out. A federal judge disagreed.
"The power to pardon is an executive prerogative of mercy, not of judicial record-keeping," Bolton wrote, quoting earlier court precedent.
"The pardon undoubtedly spared defendant from any punishment that might otherwise have been imposed," the judge continued. "It did not, however, revise the historical facts of this case."
I guess this could have an effect on future civil cases?
I don't think so
I don't think a criminal conviction is, itself, admissible evidence of civil liability
I think it's just tends to suggest (very strongly) that Arpaio would lose a civil suit
Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
So in addition to being pardoned, Sherriff Joe thinks he should have his conviction wiped out. A federal judge disagreed.
"The power to pardon is an executive prerogative of mercy, not of judicial record-keeping," Bolton wrote, quoting earlier court precedent.
"The pardon undoubtedly spared defendant from any punishment that might otherwise have been imposed," the judge continued. "It did not, however, revise the historical facts of this case."
I guess this could have an effect on future civil cases?
I don't think so
I don't think a criminal conviction is, itself, admissible evidence of civil liability
I think it's just tends to suggest (very strongly) that Arpaio would lose a civil suit
Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt.
I think that is probably dicta
Either way, I don't think there is still a question of whether Arpaio accepted the pardon?
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Joe Arpaio, the fiery former sheriff from Arizona, will run for Senate
Joe Arpaio, the longtime Phoenix-area sheriff whose headline-grabbing approach to immigration made him an ally of President Trump, will run in the 2018 Republican primary to replace Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.).
Arpaio, 85, made the bid official in an interview with the Washington Examiner.
Arpaio, who has frequently talked about seeking higher office, said he decided to run as a “big supporter of President Trump” who would back the president wholeheartedly. He is entering a primary against Kelli Ward, a former state senator also running as a Trump ally; his decision may create an opening for Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.), a Republican with more moderate views on immigration who is contemplating a bid for the seat and is backed by party leaders in Washington.
“Sheriff Joe has been a patriot, but at the end of the day in terms of running for this election Kelli Ward is going to be hard to beat,” said Eric Beach, a political strategist for Ward’s campaign. “I’m confident that this will not split the vote. The reality is that Kelly has a lot of momentum in the race.”
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Joe Arpaio, the fiery former sheriff from Arizona, will run for Senate
Joe Arpaio, the longtime Phoenix-area sheriff whose headline-grabbing approach to immigration made him an ally of President Trump, will run in the 2018 Republican primary to replace Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.).
Arpaio, 85, made the bid official in an interview with the Washington Examiner.
Arpaio, who has frequently talked about seeking higher office, said he decided to run as a “big supporter of President Trump” who would back the president wholeheartedly. He is entering a primary against Kelli Ward, a former state senator also running as a Trump ally; his decision may create an opening for Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.), a Republican with more moderate views on immigration who is contemplating a bid for the seat and is backed by party leaders in Washington.
“Sheriff Joe has been a patriot, but at the end of the day in terms of running for this election Kelli Ward is going to be hard to beat,” said Eric Beach, a political strategist for Ward’s campaign. “I’m confident that this will not split the vote. The reality is that Kelly has a lot of momentum in the race.”
Reminder that Joe Arpaio is vicious, racist, sadistic piece of shit!
HA.
Yes, keep electing people highly likely to have diminished mental capacity, little reason to care for the future and that will probably die in office.
This is how you maintain and grow a political party.
Not being steeped in awareness of politics in AZ, I have to think he's a very strong candidate to come out of the GOP primary (where a small but RABID group of support can carry) but an incredibly shitty candidate for the genera in the 2018 version of AZ...
What's Arpaio's general reputation in Arizona these days?
Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
He's got more support than I'd like, but we did vote him out of his sheriff position in favor of a Democrat.
And Trump's approval rating here isn't what it used to be (though it's not abysmal).
So I'd say a Dem opposition has a good chance of beating him, but also we don't want to take it for granted.
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A reminder that in AZ, they could probably vote in Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio if the electorate was really feeling up to it, because Jeff Flake is not running for re-election and John McCain's brain tumor is one of the really bad ones
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What's Arpaio's general reputation in Arizona these days?
Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
He's got more support than I'd like, but we did vote him out of his sheriff position in favor of a Democrat.
And Trump's approval rating here isn't what it used to be (though it's not abysmal).
So I'd say a Dem opposition has a good chance of beating him, but also we don't want to take it for granted.
Whichever Dem runs against him needs to be constantly reminding everyone that Arpaio ran a literal concentration camp and is therefore a right old fucker.
What's Arpaio's general reputation in Arizona these days?
Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
I can only hope that the people are tired of his shit, general anti establishment wave, specific anti-Trump feelings and a motivated Democratic constituency all get together to basically get another bonus seat under Democratic control.
Like I know Arizona and Georgia are thought to be plausible purple seats in the near future but this would still be early. Also the re-election would hopefully fall on what would be our 46th presidents re-election bid of 2024.
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Trump carried the state by fewer than 90k votes, out of about 2.5 million, and Arpao is pretty hated in the state, with a huge hispanic population.
Arizona said they didn't even want him as a sherriff in the last election, I'm doubtful he could fail upwards so much in the same state. My gut says this is a grift to get fat off of GOP campaign donations/contributions.
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What's Arpaio's general reputation in Arizona these days?
Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
He's got more support than I'd like, but we did vote him out of his sheriff position in favor of a Democrat.
And Trump's approval rating here isn't what it used to be (though it's not abysmal).
So I'd say a Dem opposition has a good chance of beating him, but also we don't want to take it for granted.
Whichever Dem runs against him needs to be constantly reminding everyone that Arpaio ran a literal concentration camp and is therefore a right old fucker.
It took a long time for Maricopa County to find that to be a problem. It's not like he was quiet about the concentration camps.
My fury over the original pardon that started this thread is coming back full force
What's Arpaio's general reputation in Arizona these days?
Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
He's got more support than I'd like, but we did vote him out of his sheriff position in favor of a Democrat.
And Trump's approval rating here isn't what it used to be (though it's not abysmal).
So I'd say a Dem opposition has a good chance of beating him, but also we don't want to take it for granted.
Whichever Dem runs against him needs to be constantly reminding everyone that Arpaio ran a literal concentration camp and is therefore a right old fucker.
It took a long time for Maricopa County to find that to be a problem. It's not like he was quiet about the concentration camps.
My fury over the original pardon that started this thread is coming back full force
This man is such trash
It took a long time because anyone that tried to fight back had a mysterious laptop full of child porn planted in their office.
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Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
Only if he turns out to like underage girls. That was the reason for the low turnout; not Moore's horrible politics - his horrible character.
But since the fucker is 85, it could be a short tenure.
Arizona is Arizona, but it isn't Alabama. It's swingier, and the pendulum is flipping the fuck out right now, so I think he would be in a worse position than Moore was, even with the child molestation.
A reminder that in AZ, they could probably vote in Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio if the electorate was really feeling up to it, because Jeff Flake is not running for re-election and John McCain's brain tumor is one of the really bad ones
How does this work exactly? Presumably you'd have to declare which seat you're going for right?
What's Arpaio's general reputation in Arizona these days?
Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
He's got more support than I'd like, but we did vote him out of his sheriff position in favor of a Democrat.
And Trump's approval rating here isn't what it used to be (though it's not abysmal).
So I'd say a Dem opposition has a good chance of beating him, but also we don't want to take it for granted.
Whichever Dem runs against him needs to be constantly reminding everyone that Arpaio ran a literal concentration camp and is therefore a right old fucker.
It took a long time for Maricopa County to find that to be a problem. It's not like he was quiet about the concentration camps.
My fury over the original pardon that started this thread is coming back full force
This man is such trash
Yeah, it took a depressingly long time for us to finally get rid of him. And there's still a significant chunk of people that liked his behavior, because they liked a guy who was "tough on crime" (ugh, god I hate that phrase).
But again, this state does have a fair number of Democrats, and Arpaio's supporters are dwindling. He's absolutely beatable, but we can't be complacent about it.
Yeah Arpaio may have been popular in maricopa county for some god awful reason, that doesn't translate to state wide office. And he's 85, like I can imagine plenty of big money donors in state don't want to drag that albatross out.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
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A reminder that in AZ, they could probably vote in Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio if the electorate was really feeling up to it, because Jeff Flake is not running for re-election and John McCain's brain tumor is one of the really bad ones
How does this work exactly? Presumably you'd have to declare which seat you're going for right?
How it could work is Ward or Arpaio wins the primary for Flake's seat, McCain dies, governor appoints the one who lost to his seat, which still has 5 years to go. There doesn't seem to be a limit on how many years is left in a term for the appointed replacement Senator to just ride out until the next regular election
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Nuh-uh. I was hoping Trump would win because he would be easy to beat.
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Arpaio is brazen enough with the stupid shit he says that I expect him to turn off a lot of GOP voters in Arizona. I don't think this is a "gimme" at all.
Arpaio is brazen enough with the stupid shit he says that I expect him to turn off a lot of GOP voters in Arizona. I don't think this is a "gimme" at all.
More to the point, he would galvanize a demographic that is already getting politically energized just from the current political climate.
He's 85 and he's still in the news, famous for being a guy who ran a self-described "concentration camp"
Even if he loses in the primary, he's going to be broadcasting these viewpoints of militarized systemic racism -- my big question is how much push back his stances will receive within the republican primary
Trump carried the state by fewer than 90k votes, out of about 2.5 million, and Arpao is pretty hated in the state, with a huge hispanic population.
Arizona said they didn't even want him as a sherriff in the last election, I'm doubtful he could fail upwards so much in the same state. My gut says this is a grift to get fat off of GOP campaign donations/contributions.
There was also a lot of voters that voted for the pants-on-head third-party candidates.
AZ is still a very strong GOP state. Pants-on-head-stupid regressive shit happens all the time: SB1070, etc.
True: Phoenix and Tucson have a very strong liberal presence. However, It has a large population of regressive Mormons, red necks and blue-hairs. Maricopa county alone can’t prevent his ass from not making a Senate seat.
My hope is that Sinema can appeal to a wide enough audience to get a seat - even though I’m not a fan of her being more center-left and trying to be bipartisan. It comes with the territory when running in a red state like AZ. Not sure who else would be a Democrat for the other seat.
As a registered Dem here in Arizona, I'm assuming the most I can do here is vote against whoever wins the GOP primary.
There are definitely plenty of idiots with Trump bumper stickers riding around, but I feel like AZ has a solid chance of going blue in 2018 if we really push.
I mean, all that said, if 2018 isn't a nationwide direct rebuke of 2017, we all deserve it, because if all this shit can't get people to the polls, nothing will.
Yeah Arpaio may have been popular in maricopa county for some god awful reason, that doesn't translate to state wide office. And he's 85, like I can imagine plenty of big money donors in state don't want to drag that albatross out.
Maricopa County is Phoenix, and more than half the State's population. Why do you think the more rural parts of Arizona would be more Democratic?
Yeah Arpaio may have been popular in maricopa county for some god awful reason, that doesn't translate to state wide office. And he's 85, like I can imagine plenty of big money donors in state don't want to drag that albatross out.
Maricopa County is Phoenix, and more than half the State's population. Why do you think the more rural parts of Arizona would be more Democratic?
Reverse washington? Liberal rural counties with latino voters, conversative urban centers with white people?
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
Fair enough, I'd certainly rather the GOP fix their shit and become a respectable party again. It's hard to wish for that though when even the respectable politicians are still falling in line with current leadership.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
Fair enough, I'd certainly rather the GOP fix their shit and become a respectable party again. It's hard to wish for that though when even the respectable politicians are still falling in line with current leadership.
The GOP made a Faustian bargain a half century ago, a the bill has come due. There is no fix.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
Fair enough, I'd certainly rather the GOP fix their shit and become a respectable party again. It's hard to wish for that though when even the respectable politicians are still falling in line with current leadership.
The GOP made a Faustian bargain a half century ago, a the bill has come due. There is no fix.
Which one are you talking about, the 64' dixiecrat flip southern strategy or the RNC largely getting away with nixons watergate/espionage bullshit unscathed?(HW Bush was the head of the RNC during watergate and still got to be president)
Actually, it's probably both and they're both coming to fruition at the same time.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
Fair enough, I'd certainly rather the GOP fix their shit and become a respectable party again. It's hard to wish for that though when even the respectable politicians are still falling in line with current leadership.
The GOP made a Faustian bargain a half century ago, a the bill has come due. There is no fix.
I really hope he becomes the candidate because I don't think he has any hope of winning in the current political climate, and the Dems really need Arizona. I doubt he'll even make it that far though.
Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
Fair enough, I'd certainly rather the GOP fix their shit and become a respectable party again. It's hard to wish for that though when even the respectable politicians are still falling in line with current leadership.
The GOP made a Faustian bargain a half century ago, a the bill has come due. There is no fix.
Which one are you talking about, the 64' dixiecrat flip southern strategy or the RNC largely getting away with nixons watergate/espionage bullshit unscathed?(HW Bush was the head of the RNC during watergate and still got to be president)
Actually, it's probably both and they're both coming to fruition at the same time.
Ford should really be at the bottom of every worst Presidents list because I don't know if prosecuting Nixon would have changed things, but literally every Republican since has been involved in overt or borderline criminal behavior and that may have been the turning point in our democracy.
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Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt.
That's what he admitted to.
He didn't admit that anything he did in the prison was illegal or violated anyone's rights.
That would still need to be proven in court.
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I think that is probably dicta
Either way, I don't think there is still a question of whether Arpaio accepted the pardon?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/joe-arpaio-the-fiery-former-sheriff-from-arizona-will-run-for-senate/2018/01/09/67064a9a-f55b-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_arpaio-1154am:homepage/story&utm_term=.5d38560fde18
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Could this be Moore Redux, where he wins the primary due to low-turnout nutter support, then winds up turning the seat over to the Dems?
HA.
Yes, keep electing people highly likely to have diminished mental capacity, little reason to care for the future and that will probably die in office.
This is how you maintain and grow a political party.
that's kind of what I was thinking.
He's got more support than I'd like, but we did vote him out of his sheriff position in favor of a Democrat.
And Trump's approval rating here isn't what it used to be (though it's not abysmal).
So I'd say a Dem opposition has a good chance of beating him, but also we don't want to take it for granted.
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Whichever Dem runs against him needs to be constantly reminding everyone that Arpaio ran a literal concentration camp and is therefore a right old fucker.
I can only hope that the people are tired of his shit, general anti establishment wave, specific anti-Trump feelings and a motivated Democratic constituency all get together to basically get another bonus seat under Democratic control.
Like I know Arizona and Georgia are thought to be plausible purple seats in the near future but this would still be early. Also the re-election would hopefully fall on what would be our 46th presidents re-election bid of 2024.
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Arizona said they didn't even want him as a sherriff in the last election, I'm doubtful he could fail upwards so much in the same state. My gut says this is a grift to get fat off of GOP campaign donations/contributions.
It took a long time for Maricopa County to find that to be a problem. It's not like he was quiet about the concentration camps.
My fury over the original pardon that started this thread is coming back full force
This man is such trash
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Or that Tucson and Phoenix can help keep at least Joe out of Senate
Only if he turns out to like underage girls. That was the reason for the low turnout; not Moore's horrible politics - his horrible character.
But since the fucker is 85, it could be a short tenure.
Arizona is Arizona, but it isn't Alabama. It's swingier, and the pendulum is flipping the fuck out right now, so I think he would be in a worse position than Moore was, even with the child molestation.
How does this work exactly? Presumably you'd have to declare which seat you're going for right?
Probably not so much in the primary.
Yeah, it took a depressingly long time for us to finally get rid of him. And there's still a significant chunk of people that liked his behavior, because they liked a guy who was "tough on crime" (ugh, god I hate that phrase).
But again, this state does have a fair number of Democrats, and Arpaio's supporters are dwindling. He's absolutely beatable, but we can't be complacent about it.
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Did you hope for Trump to be Republican candidate in 2015, because he had no chance of winning? Plenty of people did. Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I'd much rather the Republican party becomes less awful than the Democrats win all the narrow races; having a choice between Mr Standard Politician and Herr Satan in every race is very hard on the nerves.
Hm. So it seems like AZ is a governor-appointed state: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx
How it could work is Ward or Arpaio wins the primary for Flake's seat, McCain dies, governor appoints the one who lost to his seat, which still has 5 years to go. There doesn't seem to be a limit on how many years is left in a term for the appointed replacement Senator to just ride out until the next regular election
EDIT: I'm wrong, until the next GENERAL election: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/07/20/what-if-senator-mccain-leaves-office-how-process-works/494621001/
Which would be 2018
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Nuh-uh. I was hoping Trump would win because he would be easy to beat.
Whoops.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
More to the point, he would galvanize a demographic that is already getting politically energized just from the current political climate.
He's 85 and he's still in the news, famous for being a guy who ran a self-described "concentration camp"
Even if he loses in the primary, he's going to be broadcasting these viewpoints of militarized systemic racism -- my big question is how much push back his stances will receive within the republican primary
Yes we are, because very few people live much past their 90s. He could do a term, max, before being called to Divine Judgement.
There was also a lot of voters that voted for the pants-on-head third-party candidates.
AZ is still a very strong GOP state. Pants-on-head-stupid regressive shit happens all the time: SB1070, etc.
True: Phoenix and Tucson have a very strong liberal presence. However, It has a large population of regressive Mormons, red necks and blue-hairs. Maricopa county alone can’t prevent his ass from not making a Senate seat.
My hope is that Sinema can appeal to a wide enough audience to get a seat - even though I’m not a fan of her being more center-left and trying to be bipartisan. It comes with the territory when running in a red state like AZ. Not sure who else would be a Democrat for the other seat.
There are definitely plenty of idiots with Trump bumper stickers riding around, but I feel like AZ has a solid chance of going blue in 2018 if we really push.
I mean, all that said, if 2018 isn't a nationwide direct rebuke of 2017, we all deserve it, because if all this shit can't get people to the polls, nothing will.
Maricopa County is Phoenix, and more than half the State's population. Why do you think the more rural parts of Arizona would be more Democratic?
Reverse washington? Liberal rural counties with latino voters, conversative urban centers with white people?
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Fair enough, I'd certainly rather the GOP fix their shit and become a respectable party again. It's hard to wish for that though when even the respectable politicians are still falling in line with current leadership.
The GOP made a Faustian bargain a half century ago, a the bill has come due. There is no fix.
Which one are you talking about, the 64' dixiecrat flip southern strategy or the RNC largely getting away with nixons watergate/espionage bullshit unscathed?(HW Bush was the head of the RNC during watergate and still got to be president)
Actually, it's probably both and they're both coming to fruition at the same time.
Sure there is.
Stop democrats from voting.
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Ford should really be at the bottom of every worst Presidents list because I don't know if prosecuting Nixon would have changed things, but literally every Republican since has been involved in overt or borderline criminal behavior and that may have been the turning point in our democracy.
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