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[WH40K] The FAQ has arrived

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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    So I have a game coming up where I am part of a team and have approximately 1k points to spend on my army. Choosing between Death Guard and Nurgle as my Necrons aren't ready yet, but deciding I want to primarily support my partners army as he's more limited on models.

    I've got most of it worked out if I go Death Guard, but due to detachment limits / my other choices, I have 157 points left.

    Do I go Foul Blightspawn and 21 cultists or a Helbrute with twin lascannon and missile launcher?
    Stragint wrote: »
    My favorite thing about the Necron Wraiths is that they can shoot and charge even if they fell back because of Wraith form. It allows me to abuse the Novokh dynasty Awakened by Murder rule which let's me reroll failed hit rolls for a Novokh unit that charged, was charged, or performed a heroic intervention this turn.

    I still haven't had a chance to use the Novokh specific stratagem Blood Rites which gives my Novokh units a second fight phase after the first ends.

    I can't wait until my Necrons are done. They play differently than my Death Guard and Nurgle, so it'll be exciting.

    I vote cultist+blightspawn. More bang for your buck than the helbrute. I have basically retired my helbrutes right now and instead using my big daemon engines. Though this weekend I think I am going to try out the AL list again. I think the base list is vicious.
    +++ AL (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++

    ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic)
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Chaos Lord: Blade of the Hydra, Bolt pistol, Chainsword, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos Lord, Character, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos

    Chaos Lord with Jump Pack: Bolt pistol, No Chaos Mark, Power fist
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos, Chaos Lord, Character, Fly, Infantry, Jump Pack, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>

    + Troops +

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Dark Apostle: Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power maul
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos, Character, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, Slaanesh

    Sorcerer: Bolt pistol, Delightful Agonies, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience
    . Categories: HQ, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Psyker, Slaanesh

    + Troops +

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Lascannon

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

    + Elites +

    Chaos Terminators: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Elites, Infantry, Terminator, Slaanesh
    . Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe

    Khorne Berzerkers: Icon of Wrath
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Khorne, Elites, Faction: <Legion>
    . Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe
    . 8x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 8x Chainaxe

    + Heavy Support +

    Havocs: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Khorne, Heavy Support, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
    . 4x Havoc w/ boltgun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

    + Dedicated Transport +

    Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Dedicated Transport, Transport, Vehicle

    Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Dedicated Transport, Transport, Vehicle

    ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Exalted Champion: Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power axe
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, HQ, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Character, Exalted Champion, Slaanesh

    + Elites +

    Noise Marines
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Slaanesh, Faction: <Legion>, Faction: <Legion>, Elites
    . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster
    . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Sonic Blaster
    . Noise Champion: Bolt pistol, Doom siren, Sonic blaster

    Noise Marines
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Slaanesh, Faction: <Legion>, Faction: <Legion>, Elites
    . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster
    . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Sonic Blaster
    . Noise Champion: Bolt pistol, Doom siren, Sonic blaster

    Possessed: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 8x Possessed
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Daemon, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Elites, Slaanesh

    ++ Total: [115 PL, 1996pts] ++

    Created with BattleScribe

    Its a power armor tide. I did a test game in vassal to get the feel of the list. The zerkers/possessed have boxes to run around in. But I can also swap one or the other out and put in the havocs with plasma and infiltrate or another. The CSM are back line holders with good fire power. Termis do their thing. The powerfist lord has so far been just a beast. He is the closest I get to a thunderhammer+eternal shield captain and I really enjoy watching him smash face. He did kill Celestine last game.

    Overall I feel like I have answers to most threats. Range damage for big things. Some rerolls. Psyker for deathhex+smite+prescience. Apostles+EC for supporting Zerkers or Possessed. Reroll lord with the AL sword for a cheap beat stick.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »

    I vote cultist+blightspawn. More bang for your buck than the helbrute. I have basically retired my helbrutes right now and instead using my big daemon engines.
    I feel you're probably right there. Most of the army is going to be melee or mad rushing with either Plaguespitters or Fleshmowers already, so I was hesitant to go ALL in on close-range since Eldar move fast....

    Screw it, though, I guess.
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Though this weekend I think I am going to try out the AL list again. I think the base list is vicious.
    +++ AL (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++

    ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic)
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Chaos Lord: Blade of the Hydra, Bolt pistol, Chainsword, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos Lord, Character, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos

    Chaos Lord with Jump Pack: Bolt pistol, No Chaos Mark, Power fist
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos, Chaos Lord, Character, Fly, Infantry, Jump Pack, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>

    + Troops +

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Dark Apostle: Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power maul
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos, Character, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, Slaanesh

    Sorcerer: Bolt pistol, Delightful Agonies, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience
    . Categories: HQ, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Psyker, Slaanesh

    + Troops +

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Lascannon

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

    + Elites +

    Chaos Terminators: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Elites, Infantry, Terminator, Slaanesh
    . Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe

    Khorne Berzerkers: Icon of Wrath
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Khorne, Elites, Faction: <Legion>
    . Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe
    . 8x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 8x Chainaxe

    + Heavy Support +

    Havocs: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Khorne, Heavy Support, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
    . 4x Havoc w/ boltgun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

    + Dedicated Transport +

    Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Dedicated Transport, Transport, Vehicle

    Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Dedicated Transport, Transport, Vehicle

    ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Exalted Champion: Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power axe
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, HQ, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Character, Exalted Champion, Slaanesh

    + Elites +

    Noise Marines
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Slaanesh, Faction: <Legion>, Faction: <Legion>, Elites
    . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster
    . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Sonic Blaster
    . Noise Champion: Bolt pistol, Doom siren, Sonic blaster

    Noise Marines
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Slaanesh, Faction: <Legion>, Faction: <Legion>, Elites
    . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster
    . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Sonic Blaster
    . Noise Champion: Bolt pistol, Doom siren, Sonic blaster

    Possessed: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 8x Possessed
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Daemon, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Elites, Slaanesh

    ++ Total: [115 PL, 1996pts] ++

    Created with BattleScribe

    Its a power armor tide. I did a test game in vassal to get the feel of the list. The zerkers/possessed have boxes to run around in. But I can also swap one or the other out and put in the havocs with plasma and infiltrate or another. The CSM are back line holders with good fire power. Termis do their thing. The powerfist lord has so far been just a beast. He is the closest I get to a thunderhammer+eternal shield captain and I really enjoy watching him smash face. He did kill Celestine last game.

    Overall I feel like I have answers to most threats. Range damage for big things. Some rerolls. Psyker for deathhex+smite+prescience. Apostles+EC for supporting Zerkers or Possessed. Reroll lord with the AL sword for a cheap beat stick.

    That looks like a good and fun list. Also like the amount of power armor. I've been wanting to do a mostly marine / limited vehicles thing myself, so might crib this. I really need to find more cultists, though, stuck with 20.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »

    I vote cultist+blightspawn. More bang for your buck than the helbrute. I have basically retired my helbrutes right now and instead using my big daemon engines.
    I feel you're probably right there. Most of the army is going to be melee or mad rushing with either Plaguespitters or Fleshmowers already, so I was hesitant to go ALL in on close-range since Eldar move fast....

    Screw it, though, I guess.
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Though this weekend I think I am going to try out the AL list again. I think the base list is vicious.
    +++ AL (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++

    ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic)
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Chaos Lord: Blade of the Hydra, Bolt pistol, Chainsword, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos Lord, Character, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos

    Chaos Lord with Jump Pack: Bolt pistol, No Chaos Mark, Power fist
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos, Chaos Lord, Character, Fly, Infantry, Jump Pack, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>

    + Troops +

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Troops, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Chaos, Slaanesh
    . Cultist Champion: Autogun

    ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Dark Apostle: Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power maul
    . Categories: HQ, Chaos, Character, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, Slaanesh

    Sorcerer: Bolt pistol, Delightful Agonies, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience
    . Categories: HQ, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Psyker, Slaanesh

    + Troops +

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Lascannon

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

    Chaos Space Marines: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Troops, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
    . 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
    . Marine w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher

    + Elites +

    Chaos Terminators: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Elites, Infantry, Terminator, Slaanesh
    . Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
    . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe

    Khorne Berzerkers: Icon of Wrath
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Khorne, Elites, Faction: <Legion>
    . Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe
    . 8x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 8x Chainaxe

    + Heavy Support +

    Havocs: Mark of Slaanesh
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Khorne, Heavy Support, Slaanesh
    . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
    . 4x Havoc w/ boltgun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
    . Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

    + Dedicated Transport +

    Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Dedicated Transport, Transport, Vehicle

    Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, No Chaos Mark
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Dedicated Transport, Transport, Vehicle

    ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

    + No Force Org Slot +

    Legion: Alpha Legion
    . Categories: No Force Org Slot

    + HQ +

    Exalted Champion: Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power axe
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, HQ, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Character, Exalted Champion, Slaanesh

    + Elites +

    Noise Marines
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Slaanesh, Faction: <Legion>, Faction: <Legion>, Elites
    . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster
    . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Sonic Blaster
    . Noise Champion: Bolt pistol, Doom siren, Sonic blaster

    Noise Marines
    . Categories: Chaos, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Slaanesh, Faction: <Legion>, Faction: <Legion>, Elites
    . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster
    . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Sonic Blaster
    . Noise Champion: Bolt pistol, Doom siren, Sonic blaster

    Possessed: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 8x Possessed
    . Categories: Faction: <Legion>, <Mark of Chaos>, Chaos, Daemon, Faction: Heretic Astartes, Infantry, Elites, Slaanesh

    ++ Total: [115 PL, 1996pts] ++

    Created with BattleScribe

    Its a power armor tide. I did a test game in vassal to get the feel of the list. The zerkers/possessed have boxes to run around in. But I can also swap one or the other out and put in the havocs with plasma and infiltrate or another. The CSM are back line holders with good fire power. Termis do their thing. The powerfist lord has so far been just a beast. He is the closest I get to a thunderhammer+eternal shield captain and I really enjoy watching him smash face. He did kill Celestine last game.

    Overall I feel like I have answers to most threats. Range damage for big things. Some rerolls. Psyker for deathhex+smite+prescience. Apostles+EC for supporting Zerkers or Possessed. Reroll lord with the AL sword for a cheap beat stick.

    That looks like a good and fun list. Also like the amount of power armor. I've been wanting to do a mostly marine / limited vehicles thing myself, so might crib this. I really need to find more cultists, though, stuck with 20.

    I had a quick built black legion list that I think had 60 power armor bodies in it? Also Abbadon with a termi contingent and some bikes. It was good but it felt fluffy.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Fluffy is important to me.

    Like (again, house rules, I know this is illegal) in our game, it'll be Death Guard / Orks versus Craftworld Eldar / Blood Angels (or Imperial guard. or a mix of both. Unsure yet). The Ork player is new to our group so he's limited on models, but still has a lot more than I expected, so he's bringing like 60+ boyz, Nobs, some Storm Boys, 4 Killa Kans, a Trukk, some other stuff etc. They shoot for shit and they're all melee and the player has lost every game he's played thus far, so I'm like let us try to win.

    So my list is basically Daemon Prince, PBC x3 with plaguespitters, 2 Bloat Drones with FLESHMOWERS (I want to try something different am I dumb? They seem like they have a RIDICULOUS amount of strong attacks), and 157 pts left because a Spearhead detachment doesn't allow a third Bloat Drone.

    It doesn't feel fluffy, which irritates me, but the goal is to win this time to make the Ork player feel good, hence my internal argument over 21 cultists and a Foul Blightspawn versus a Helbrute....but it's not fluffy.

    I want to use MARINES.....so that's why I like your list, Mazzyx, feels fluffy and dangerous

    Helbrutes die easy, though, so I think you're right.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    So my club is saying at 11:30 EST warhammer TV is going online with the FAQ to talk about it. FAQ supposedly at the same time.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    So my club is saying at 11:30 EST warhammer TV is going online with the FAQ to talk about it. FAQ supposedly at the same time.

    This is where I beg for people to give a rundown here as I am trapped at work.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Amen. (Edit: wrt to "I want to play a marines list featuring marines). I really hope the FAQ does something to address the inherent mathematical problems.

    I mean, this is something that can be fixed with just point costs. marines cost less, guardsmen and cultists cost a lot more, etc. but I'd appreciate a change to how Armor Pen works or how Command Points are generated or anything clever.

    Lanlaorn on
  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    FAQ update apparently going live "in the next half hour" as per this interview!

    Edit: Some of these dev interview comments are a little baffling lol "We found that command points were very unfair between some armies who can easily fill out a Battalion and thus have as many command points as they want, vs. those who can't. So we're going to increase the number of command points that Battalions give to +5 instead of +3" ...uh what?

    I'm hoping there's something else they haven't mentioned yet that has this make sense, lol

    Edit 2: New beta rule to kill soup, just as rumored, can't use Chaos, Imperium or Aeldari as the faction keyword, but everyone was remarking that this does nothing to stop the best Chaos soup ("Heretic Astartes") and they outright state aloud that CSM can still bring Daemons too...? Why even bother excluding "Chaos" then?

    Lanlaorn on
  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    I am hearing bits, but sounds like some weirdness with soup. Like no Morty and Magnus inside the same detachment anymore.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am hearing bits, but sounds like some weirdness with soup. Like no Morty and Magnus inside the same detachment anymore.

    They actually explicitly said that 1k Sons + DG + Daemons will still be valid so, shrug? Guess we'll read it for ourselves soon.

  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    I am hearing bits, but sounds like some weirdness with soup. Like no Morty and Magnus inside the same detachment anymore.

    They actually explicitly said that 1k Sons + DG + Daemons will still be valid so, shrug? Guess we'll read it for ourselves soon.

    This is the beta rules I just heard. Its three detachments just not Morty+Magnus+a Knight in a single detachment anymore.

    Also possible huge nerf to first turn deepstrike beta rule. If you deep strike you can only deep strike in your deployment zone on the first turn.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    FAQ update apparently going live "in the next half hour" as per this interview!

    Edit: Some of these dev interview comments are a little baffling lol "We found that command points were very unfair between some armies who can easily fill out a Battalion and thus have as many command points as they want, vs. those who can't. So we're going to increase the number of command points that Battalions give to +5 instead of +3" ...uh what?

    I'm hoping there's something else they haven't mentioned yet that has this make sense, lol

    Edit 2: New beta rule to kill soup, just as rumored, can't use Chaos, Imperium or Aeldari as the faction keyword, but everyone was remarking that this does nothing to stop the best Chaos soup ("Heretic Astartes") and they outright state aloud that CSM can still bring Daemons too...? Why even bother excluding "Chaos" then?

    Does the anti soup bust AdMech and Knights or do they share some other keyword? Not near my dex at the moment.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    Most of the time if I go second I have to deep strike into my own deployment zone anyway, lol. IMHO that rule should only apply to things that are deep striking via strategems, anyway.

    Honestly though who thinks Deep Strike is the problem for alpha strikes? Everyone is screening out deep strikers with their walls of chaff, it's not about alpha strikes for me it's about getting 5" movement units somewhere remotely useful. This just gives the horde a turn to surge forth and deny another few inches of the board.

  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    FAQ update apparently going live "in the next half hour" as per this interview!

    Edit: Some of these dev interview comments are a little baffling lol "We found that command points were very unfair between some armies who can easily fill out a Battalion and thus have as many command points as they want, vs. those who can't. So we're going to increase the number of command points that Battalions give to +5 instead of +3" ...uh what?

    I'm hoping there's something else they haven't mentioned yet that has this make sense, lol

    Edit 2: New beta rule to kill soup, just as rumored, can't use Chaos, Imperium or Aeldari as the faction keyword, but everyone was remarking that this does nothing to stop the best Chaos soup ("Heretic Astartes") and they outright state aloud that CSM can still bring Daemons too...? Why even bother excluding "Chaos" then?

    Does the anti soup bust AdMech and Knights or do they share some other keyword? Not near my dex at the moment.

    First its beta so not in the FAQ proper yet. But you can use them, just your knights are in a knights detachment and your mechanichus are in the mechanicus detachment. Right now mixing them gives you cps but removes special abilities anyway.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Most of the time if I go second I have to deep strike into my own deployment zone anyway, lol. IMHO that rule should only apply to things that are deep striking via strategems, anyway.

    Honestly though who thinks Deep Strike is the problem for alpha strikes? Everyone is screening out deep strikers with their walls of chaff, it's not about alpha strikes for me it's about getting 5" movement units somewhere remotely useful. This just gives the horde a turn to surge forth and deny another few inches of the board.

    Maybe they aren’t happy with people being forced to bring a bunch of cheap chaff units just to deny first turn deep strikes?

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Edit: Some of these dev interview comments are a little baffling lol "We found that command points were very unfair between some armies who can easily fill out a Battalion and thus have as many command points as they want, vs. those who can't. So we're going to increase the number of command points that Battalions give to +5 instead of +3" ...uh what?

    My buddy is getting into Imperial Guard and that's weird.

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    I am going to be super fucking salty if Aeldari armies cease to exist because I literally just picked up a Harlequins army to run alongside my Dark Eldar.

  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    So soup is not gone.

    You just do not get CP if you run them in the same detachment is what it sounds like. Just run your harlis in a different detachment from your DE.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Easy fix: your army can only get the bonus from a detachment type once. Have one battalion? 5cp. Grab another battalion? 0 cp.

    Grab a spearhead or something instead, 1 cp,

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    So soup is not gone.

    You just do not get CP if you run them in the same detachment is what it sounds like. Just run your harlis in a different detachment from your DE.

    Huh. Were people running mixed detachments that frequently? I thought most of the trouble came from armies that were already running multiple detachments.

  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    They are updating the page right now so we can stop guessing soon. Curious what they are doing with CP.

    Edit:

    I missed this as I was walking, everyone got Tau commandered.

    3 unit limit per army to reduce spam.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    So soup is not gone.

    You just do not get CP if you run them in the same detachment is what it sounds like. Just run your harlis in a different detachment from your DE.

    Huh. Were people running mixed detachments that frequently? I thought most of the trouble came from armies that were already running multiple detachments.

    Magnus/Morty was an older combo. But this will nerf taking celestine in a guard group and a few other things like GC with Nids and so on.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    *rocks back and forth*

    Update already site damn your eyes

  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    3 unit limit per army to reduce spam.
    But I have 7 Bloat Drones. I didn't even TRY to accumulate them past the three, it just happened (i.e., eBay shipment late, he threw in a free painted bloat drone, etc.)

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    3 unit limit per army to reduce spam.
    But I have 7 Bloat Drones. I didn't even TRY to accumulate them past the three, it just happened (i.e., eBay shipment late, he threw in a free painted bloat drone, etc.)

    Guard being limited to 3 squads of 10 men just seems wrong.

  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Guard being limited to 3 squads of 10 men just seems wrong.
    Yeah, I'd never bring 7 bloat drones, but Guard should have a ton of dudes.
    Maybe it's 3 of the same units per detachment?

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Oh holy shit, Ynnari is one of the faction keywords that can't form a legal detachment anymore.

    Just... just retcon the Ynnari, GW. You clearly don't want them to exist any more.

    Edit: Reading more, maybe it's not that bad. It sort of looks like the Ynnari HQs can take Craftworld/Drukhari/Harlequin Warlord Traits and Relics now?

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Poking around the 3 unit limit doesn’t apply to troops apparently, which makes a ton of sense.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Seems mostly reasonable but I am not sure if changing the CP rewards from battalions is going to have the results they want.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    What does it mean by datasheet in the organized play part?

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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Stragint wrote: »
    What does it mean by datasheet in the organized play part?

    Up to three units per army so say you can only take three bloat drones and so on.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Stragint wrote: »
    What does it mean by datasheet in the organized play part?

    Up to three units per army so say you can only take three bloat drones and so on.

    To be slightly more specific you can select a unit entry from a codex three times.

    So something like a Dread where you can take 1-3 Dreads per unit entry, but they fight as individual units after that, would still allow you to take 3x3 dreads for 9 dreads on the table.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    I know I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up, but this is supremely disappointing. I don't even understand what they needed the extra delay for.

    Things that are good, got better (all those cheap chaff units tend to be troops and now given even more CP) and things that are bad got tools randomly taken away (so it's even harder to deep strike terminators but those infiltrating Alpha Legion cultists are exempt? Ok...)

  • KhraulKhraul Registered User regular
    So reading the update to the Battle Brothers rule... Can still I run a battalion of Death Guard and still attach a Thousand Sons patrol detachment to it, and then end up with two separate battleforged detachments with their own stratagems, etc?

    I guess I don't understand how that update changes the rules...

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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    I know I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up, but this is supremely disappointing. I don't even understand what they needed the extra delay for.

    Things that are good, got better (all those cheap chaff units tend to be troops and now given even more CP) and things that are bad got tools randomly taken away (so it's even harder to deep strike terminators but those infiltrating Alpha Legion cultists are exempt? Ok...)

    Ehhh...I disagree with some of this.

    The delay was probably the spam rule+play testing.

    The deepstrike rule is beta. It is not in yet, it is optional. Test it and give feedback. I rarely deepstruck termis first turn anyway because I would be hitting chaff. I would hit them second or third turn instead. And to top it off this hurts a lot of current power units like psions from their take objective turn 1, 2+ cover save turn 2.

    Overall it is a pretty decent FAQ. I am not sure what the CP thought process is but I will have 14 in my standard CSM list instead of 10 which doesn't hurt.

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  • NorgothNorgoth Registered User regular
    Khraul wrote: »
    So reading the update to the Battle Brothers rule... Can still I run a battalion of Death Guard and still attach a Thousand Sons patrol detachment to it, and then end up with two separate battleforged detachments with their own stratagems, etc?

    I guess I don't understand how that update changes the rules...

    Yes.

    You can’t run say Ahriman and Typhus as your HQs in the same battalion for example. The way your doing it already is how the beta rule wants it to be done.

    Khraul
  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Is it possible to setup a 2k brigade detachment? Doesn't seem possible for Necrons

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    I kind of wish it was more / a bigger shake up. I mean, maybe that's what Chapter Approved will be, but besides a few of the point changes (which nerfed Eldar a bit, YAY), it seems like it's not really a huge change. At least not with my circle of friends.

    GRANTED, none of us ever spammed more than 3 of a unit anyways (due to limitation of models owned), but I guess I was getting close as I have 3 PBCs and 7 Bloats (not that I would ever have used more than 3 anyways).

    We'll probably run the deep strike beta rule to see what happens. My Thousand Son buddy is happy.

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Stragint wrote: »
    Is it possible to setup a 2k brigade detachment? Doesn't seem possible for Necrons

    Depends on the army. It's super easy for some factions - Guard can do it in under 700 points (with no claims made about how effective that army would be).

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