I really enjoyed it as well! Lots of cool little easter eggs.
Henry's room had lots of drawings of the moon with a leering face in it, a nice book reference. The drug that Mike Hanlon said he was given he called Maturin. Big ole turtle on a desk in one scene. The scene with Stephen King in the pawnshop? The pawnshop was named Secondhand Rose, a delightful Dark Tower reference.
I did think it was maybe not as tight as the first one. A little more humor, some weird parts (Like with the Leper) but overall it was very satisfying. Bill Hader also killed it the entire time.
The ending
at first I was sort of meh on the ending with Pennywise turning into that tiny little clown baby and plopping comedically against the rock, people in my showing laughed at that. Then I thought about it and that part being laughable is pretty on theme, they beat him by mocking him and believing he has no power over them.
Also Bill Hader getting hit by the deadlights got some laughs out of people in my showing but it was also deeply disturbing.
This felt unexpectedly sloppy compared to the first.
I agree but I also think I liked it more. This film had a lot more ground to cover than the first. The extra bit of shading in they did for Richie's character was fantastic.
Yeah, I really liked what they did with Richie. It makes his assholishness towards Eddie throughout both movies make more sense (because holy shit y'all haven't seen each other in 30 years and you're laying it on reeeeeaaaaaaally thick...)
And I really liked the overall more happy ending the movie had over the book.
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This felt unexpectedly sloppy compared to the first.
The second half of the book was the same way.
Honestly I feel like this was really well done, but at the same time I wish they'd given it the miniseries treatment again? I feel like HBO could have done this the most justice whilst simultaneously changing all the dumb stuff that King wrote in the original version.
In any case, I liked it.
I can understand people's complaints with it--I have a few of my own: mainly the scattershot nature of the opening and how I think they should have done things a bit differently with Bowers (they should have shown his bit from the 80s right at the beginning instead of shoving it in later, and given him more to do in general). Also completely discarding Bill's wife after her literal only scene (and Bev's husband, as well) left me a bit annoyed. But the climactic battle against Pennywise in this version was actually much better than both the book and the miniseries, so it more than makes up for it.
Overall, King's book is FUCKING huge, and dense and shit, with a lot of asides and passages in it that only loosely tie to the main plot of the story itself, so adapting it faithfully in movie form is almost impossible. You're gonna have to make some cuts, some revisions and such, and you're gonna have to brush away the crazy shit that really hasn't aged well. I'm happy with the It we got, both the first movie and the second one. Could it have been better? Maybe. Could any one of us made it better? Probably not. Am I going to go back and reread the book as a result of watching the movies? You're damn skippy.
I'm not a film maker so I don't know how to fix it but I felt like
the part where they all had to get their individual totems or whatever could've been put together a bit better. Each vignette was really good in its own right but if they could've been cut together instead of being one after the other it may've felt a bit more dynamic/quicker. Apropos of nothing, the guy playing the pharmacist in this one was super creepy and the scene with Bev in the bathroom stall while he tries to get in might have been one of the creepier parts of the movie for me.
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Yeah, I really liked what they did with Richie. It makes his assholishness towards Eddie throughout both movies make more sense (because holy shit y'all haven't seen each other in 30 years and you're laying it on reeeeeaaaaaaally thick...)
And I really liked the overall more happy ending the movie had over the book.
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I don't think this was a very well put together movie. Where all the kids were special, half of the adult actors were duds. Chastain does nothing with Beverly, Ben is dull as dishwater, and McAvoy, an actor I love, brings 1.5 interesting scenes. It's simultaneously bloated and missing huge chunks.
A little girl is killed under the bleachers at a baseball game. It's incredibly upsetting, but it connects to the rest of the story in no way.
No Loser finds out about it, it's never discussed again, it's just a murder vignette.
The changes made to soften the emotional impact are mildly offensive.
Stan
No, his suicide is not a heroic gesture, get the fuck out of here with that dangerous and careless framing.
It's definitely getting mileage out of Hollywood FX budgets, but the meat of the story needs a series to do correctly. It's fine, it's fun and funny, creepy at times, a good time at the movies, it's just not good.
I really enjoyed it as well! Lots of cool little easter eggs.
Henry's room had lots of drawings of the moon with a leering face in it, a nice book reference. The drug that Mike Hanlon said he was given he called Maturin. Big ole turtle on a desk in one scene. The scene with Stephen King in the pawnshop? The pawnshop was named Secondhand Rose, a delightful Dark Tower reference.
I did think it was maybe not as tight as the first one. A little more humor, some weird parts (Like with the Leper) but overall it was very satisfying. Bill Hader also killed it the entire time.
The ending
at first I was sort of meh on the ending with Pennywise turning into that tiny little clown baby and plopping comedically against the rock, people in my showing laughed at that. Then I thought about it and that part being laughable is pretty on theme, they beat him by mocking him and believing he has no power over them.
Also Bill Hader getting hit by the deadlights got some laughs out of people in my showing but it was also deeply disturbing.
Pawnshop
The pawnshop in the book is actually called Secondhand Rose, Secondhand Clothes.
I don't think this was a very well put together movie. Where all the kids were special, half of the adult actors were duds. Chastain does nothing with Beverly, Ben is dull as dishwater, and McAvoy, an actor I love, brings 1.5 interesting scenes. It's simultaneously bloated and missing huge chunks.
A little girl is killed under the bleachers at a baseball game. It's incredibly upsetting, but it connects to the rest of the story in no way.
No Loser finds out about it, it's never discussed again, it's just a murder vignette.
The changes made to soften the emotional impact are mildly offensive.
Stan
No, his suicide is not a heroic gesture, get the fuck out of here with that dangerous and careless framing.
It's definitely getting mileage out of Hollywood FX budgets, but the meat of the story needs a series to do correctly. It's fine, it's fun and funny, creepy at times, a good time at the movies, it's just not good.
See I agree with all of this but I still thought the whole was better than the sum of its parts
Given how beloved the Tim Curry take on Pennywise was, the fact that Skarsgård has supplanted it in my mind is no small achievement (even though the old miniseries was bad, Curry did a fantastic job for the time).
I really enjoyed Chapter 2 and I think the two, taken together, are a pretty solid adaptation of the work.
That said, I think I'd have enjoyed it more if they'd broken the story some other way. Either the miniseries that seems obvious, given the structure of the story, or just pick somewhere in the middle to cut it in half while keeping the adults/kids interweaving thing for the entire story, rather than having them appear only in the second chapter. The kids mostly turned in much stronger performances than the adults and the kids' story is always going to be the more interesting one. Taking the existing adult scenes and spreading them across the entire 5? 6? hour runtime would have diluted the less-impressive performances and could have let them retain more of the
"nobody remembers anything about that summer and nobody remembers everything until nearly the end" aspect of the book.
For example:
the scene in the inn where Bev reminisces about the card and the kiss makes us feel for Ben but would, I think, have played a better role if it had come before we see the things she's remembering, so that we can later 'see' her remember them and how that changes her feelings about Ben and Bill.
Also, I kind of feel like movie-adult-Mike read the novel.
His plan to use their shared belief in the power of the ritual despite it lacking any actual, intrinsic power doesn't make much sense in the framework of the films except as a fake-out for the audience. Which it doesn't do terribly well since we don't find out his intent until it's in the middle of failing.
I initially felt like the real resolution they find for It was a bit odd but, on reflection, the whole 'it has no power if you have no fear' message has been the films' equivalent of the books 'whatever you believe is true' over the length of both movies. I think it would've worked better if I hadn't read the book.
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Does anyone know if anyone has picked up the right to adapt The Stand again? The miniseries we got was... not great. I'm hoping whoever takes the next shot at it does a better job, and actually delivers the stuff they cut out of the previous incarnation.
Does anyone know if anyone has picked up the right to adapt The Stand again? The miniseries we got was... not great. I'm hoping whoever takes the next shot at it does a better job, and actually delivers the stuff they cut out of the previous incarnation.
I really like that the movies based on King's books can kinda nod to one another without actually being in the same universe as far as the people making them are concerned. Someday I hope we get another Dark Tower movie/show/whatever, because it would be so excellent.
I'd also love to see a show based on The Talisman, I remember being so freaked out by those books but couldn't stop reading. It does make them super difficult to adapt since they are fucking massive books, but I think it could be done in the right hands.
You can never have this sort of 2nd movie be as good/scary as the first
The build up is 90 percent of the fun!
In this one we already know about what's scary.
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Got out of the 4:30 showing. I really liked it, but I agree it was overly long. There's a few scenes I would cut here and there, and I probably would have just moved some scenes around to have it flow a little better. But what's here is really good, and the SFX is crazy good at times and (purposefully?) silly at others.
Great:
Skarsgard kills it. He is a really really good Pennywise, and I love every time that Pennywise is on screen. Even as a squished little baby on a moon rock.
Bill Hader was also exceptional. He pulled a really great adult Richie and the backstory (someone here called it shading) they give him works really well.
Almost all of the scary scenes work. Mainly because of Pennywise, but also because of the manifestation of the fears is both interesting and frightening.
My favorite scenes: The bathroom stall scene, The mirror house, The Chinese Restaurant, The Opening Beatup (made me sick to my stomach which was a good start), the pawnshop (great homage and King cameo), Spider Stan... There's a lot of really good ones here. Adult Richie at the faire dealing with Pennywise, and then Richie again throwing rocks and getting deadlight'ed.
Good:
Jessica Chastain and James McAvoy are underused. I think that's because the film is going through 6 different characters and backstories, while also trying to stay tied together. However, James does really well with his stutter and I think both of their scenes are great.
I really think Eddie's actor was good, but I kept thinking he looked like the poor man's Jake Gyllenhaal, and now I wish he had the role.
Two great scenes (the grandma and the mirror house) are basically completely spoiled because of the trailers, and I wish I had gone in blind. But Pennywise bashing his head against the mirrors repeatedly while Bill has to stand there and watch is damn good.
The ending is better, but Pennywise is still a fucking spider. Albeit a cooler more threatening spider, he's still a fucking spider. At least the effects are good and they show more of the 'lights' controlling him.
Bad:
Ben. I thought Ben was bad. I really didn't like his actor choice, and a lot of his scenes felt boring or just blah. He really just didn't compare to the others.
Mike's fake-out 'they didn't believe, but we can' while Pennywise turns into a spider. It felt unnecessary as fuck, and I think the film would have been stronger if the ritual just didn't work and then they figured out to beat it by facing their fears, similar to the first movie.
The leper scene with Eddie? I get it, Eddie is supposed to be the comedic relief (even more so than Richie in this one), but did they really have to slow-mo vomit while a sensual song plays in the background? It was so cheekily funny.
Lots of additional scenes or jump scares that I feel like didn't go anywhere or didn't add much to the story. I.E. the girl at the football game. It's a great scene, but it really shouldn't have been there. They were never going to top Georgie getting eaten in Chapter 1, and this scene is never talked about again.
The ending is really long. They probably could have cut out the cleaning in the river, or the looking in the window to see their younger selves, and they definitely didn't need Stan's suicide affirming letter. That was some borderline offensive shit... Seeing where everyone was now was cool though, they could have ended on that.
There's a lot of spots where the characters are afraid. Obviously afraid, and Pennywise lets them get away A LOT of those times. (except for Eddie finally) It kind of makes you wonder why he doesn't just kill them when he can. I think another death or two would have been just fine, and would have thinned out the story lines.
I thought it was a great movie experience, but yeah the movie is just okay. First one is still good, even at home. I'm not sure if this one will be.
I can already see fans recutting the films together to make a more faithful, book-like narrative. It might help with the flow to have the adults there at the start, so you get more time with the kids in the back half.
Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
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I saw the movie yesterday.
I was.... honestly super uncomfortable at the brutality of the opening scene to be honest. Especially since i love that actor/director.
Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
Did they not? I watched Chapter 1 the night before I went to see Chapter 2 and they didn't look noticeably older to me. Admittedly I'm 40 so anyone under 20 looks like they're 12 and I'm generally bad at remembering people's faces...but I'd expect Georgie, at least, to look significantly different if they'd been filmed a year or two apart.
Richie and the Paul Bunyan statue. It was peak Pennywise. The statue itself was scary, but it got taken up a notch when Pennywise sat on its shoulder and started floating down while singing “I know your secret, your dirty little secret!” and the citizens of Derry just kind of swaying along in the background.
Being able to be terrifying during broad daylight in the middle of a town square is extra creepy.
Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
Did they not? I watched Chapter 1 the night before I went to see Chapter 2 and they didn't look noticeably older to me. Admittedly I'm 40 so anyone under 20 looks like they're 12 and I'm generally bad at remembering people's faces...but I'd expect Georgie, at least, to look significantly different if they'd been filmed a year or two apart.
Maybe a few scenes, but not all of them. Specifically, Finn Wolfhard got hit by puberty like a truck and then dragged a few miles (explains how he got so tall) so really he was the one who I noticed the most being... Altered.
Richie and the Paul Bunyan statue. It was peak Pennywise. The statue itself was scary, but it got taken up a notch when Pennywise sat on its shoulder and started floating down while singing “I know your secret, your dirty little secret!” and the citizens of Derry just kind of swaying along in the background.
Being able to be terrifying during broad daylight in the middle of a town square is extra creepy.
That was a great scene - much better than the book equivalent - but I was really wanting
for Richie to just say, "Yeah, I'm gay! Big fucking deal! I'm a grown-ass, famous stand-up comedian, not an 11 year old living in Redneck, Maine! Fuck you!"
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Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
Did they not? I watched Chapter 1 the night before I went to see Chapter 2 and they didn't look noticeably older to me. Admittedly I'm 40 so anyone under 20 looks like they're 12 and I'm generally bad at remembering people's faces...but I'd expect Georgie, at least, to look significantly different if they'd been filmed a year or two apart.
Maybe a few scenes, but not all of them. Specifically, Finn Wolfhard got hit by puberty like a truck and then dragged a few miles (explains how he got so tall) so really he was the one who I noticed the most being... Altered.
They had to cut a buncha stuff from the first one due to budget constraints, like the smokehouse part. Shooting all the kids' scenes to potentially use in a second half that they weren't sure they were gonna get wasn't gonna happen.
Richie and the Paul Bunyan statue. It was peak Pennywise. The statue itself was scary, but it got taken up a notch when Pennywise sat on its shoulder and started floating down while singing “I know your secret, your dirty little secret!” and the citizens of Derry just kind of swaying along in the background.
Being able to be terrifying during broad daylight in the middle of a town square is extra creepy.
That was a great scene - much better than the book equivalent - but I was really wanting
for Richie to just say, "Yeah, I'm gay! Big fucking deal! I'm a grown-ass, famous stand-up comedian, not an 11 year old living in Redneck, Maine! Fuck you!"
I think the whole thing works better as a secret shame, especially contrasted with the guy from the opening vignette. A lot of people who grow up in regressive places stifle their identity well into adulthood and given this whole book/movie is supposed to be a coming-of-age story about how the only fear we have is what we give power to ourselves is a strong theme. One of the only themes it has, actually, so taking that away for a cathartic moment that hadn’t quite been earned yet would have made Richie’s arc less interesting when it ended up being the most compelling of all the adults’.
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Up until I watched this movie. I felt as a nod to the mini-series I thought they should have got Seth Green to play Adult Richie. But god damn Bill Hader killed it as Adult Richie. Guy was great
I loved Adult Eddie as well with his interactions with Richie. That and not to mention...
His final word is "I fucked your mom" to Richie
Both characters and their interactions were so fun
And Skarsgard as Pennywise. I love how crazed he felt in this film. Like a feral force unleashed.
Miniseries vs Movie thoughts
I liked that the mini-series focused on the jokester Pennywise but the movie was focused solely on the monster. I don't think scenes like the Library or his other prankster scenes against the losers as adults would have worked in this film. Instead they had the balls to have Pennywise be a flat out eater of children and tortured the losers with his violence. The book tends to walk both lines at times, but god damn was this a great adaption of the books. Makes me hopeful Doctor Sleep will be a good adaptation
Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
Did they not? I watched Chapter 1 the night before I went to see Chapter 2 and they didn't look noticeably older to me. Admittedly I'm 40 so anyone under 20 looks like they're 12 and I'm generally bad at remembering people's faces...but I'd expect Georgie, at least, to look significantly different if they'd been filmed a year or two apart.
Maybe a few scenes, but not all of them. Specifically, Finn Wolfhard got hit by puberty like a truck and then dragged a few miles (explains how he got so tall) so really he was the one who I noticed the most being... Altered.
They had to cut a buncha stuff from the first one due to budget constraints, like the smokehouse part. Shooting all the kids' scenes to potentially use in a second half that they weren't sure they were gonna get wasn't gonna happen.
I mean that makes sense, but it's a shame. The films feel a bit disjointed due to that. It feels like the studio was willing to take a bigger bet on the second knowing it would be a success, and so the second half is gonna feel bloated when watching them back to back. I'm pretty happy with the movies overall but it definitely fumbled the landing a little bit after the really strong first movie. Just goes to show sometimes budget constraints actually make for a better film.
Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
Did they not? I watched Chapter 1 the night before I went to see Chapter 2 and they didn't look noticeably older to me. Admittedly I'm 40 so anyone under 20 looks like they're 12 and I'm generally bad at remembering people's faces...but I'd expect Georgie, at least, to look significantly different if they'd been filmed a year or two apart.
Maybe a few scenes, but not all of them. Specifically, Finn Wolfhard got hit by puberty like a truck and then dragged a few miles (explains how he got so tall) so really he was the one who I noticed the most being... Altered.
They had to cut a buncha stuff from the first one due to budget constraints, like the smokehouse part. Shooting all the kids' scenes to potentially use in a second half that they weren't sure they were gonna get wasn't gonna happen.
I mean that makes sense, but it's a shame. The films feel a bit disjointed due to that. It feels like the studio was willing to take a bigger bet on the second knowing it would be a success, and so the second half is gonna feel bloated when watching them back to back. I'm pretty happy with the movies overall but it definitely fumbled the landing a little bit after the really strong first movie. Just goes to show sometimes budget constraints actually make for a better film.
I'm sure they will create a cut that combines the two movies into one.
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The creepiest moments were just mild CGI and Pennywise just being slightly off.
Bill Skarsgård is a really fuckin’ creepy guy and that helps.
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It turns into a giant CGI monster any creepiness is gone. the miniseries did the same thing. Pennywise was the best part and he vanishes for like the last hour
The creepiest moments were just mild CGI and Pennywise just being slightly off.
Bill Skarsgård is a really fuckin’ creepy guy and that helps.
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It turns into a giant CGI monster any creepiness is gone. the miniseries did the same thing. Pennywise was the best part and he vanishes for like the last hour
The spider is CGI enhanced, and I actually liked that they made it a mix of clown and legs.
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I agree that adult Ben wasn't very great. His opening line in the boardroom scene was borderline cringe-worthy.
Regarding the bleachers thing
I really liked that. Both because it called back to the opening scene of the film but also because it shows Pennywise as more of a general or universal threat. I think if you leave that murder out you run the risk of giving the impression that Pennywise is only after the Losers when in reality he wants to eat all the youngins.
was not as bad as people are saying because it wasn’t exactly like Georgie. Pennywise lures Georgie in with promises of fun and popcorn and balloons. The little girl isn’t fucking fooled and starts to walk away before Pennywise lures her in with fucking empathy.
It fleshes the monster out into a more pure evil that isn’t above understanding human nature to better prey upon them.
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I really enjoyed it as well! Lots of cool little easter eggs.
I did think it was maybe not as tight as the first one. A little more humor, some weird parts (Like with the Leper) but overall it was very satisfying. Bill Hader also killed it the entire time.
The ending
Also Bill Hader getting hit by the deadlights got some laughs out of people in my showing but it was also deeply disturbing.
I agree but I also think I liked it more. This film had a lot more ground to cover than the first. The extra bit of shading in they did for Richie's character was fantastic.
And I really liked the overall more happy ending the movie had over the book.
Sorry, edited to spoil my thoughts.
The second half of the book was the same way.
Honestly I feel like this was really well done, but at the same time I wish they'd given it the miniseries treatment again? I feel like HBO could have done this the most justice whilst simultaneously changing all the dumb stuff that King wrote in the original version.
In any case, I liked it.
Overall, King's book is FUCKING huge, and dense and shit, with a lot of asides and passages in it that only loosely tie to the main plot of the story itself, so adapting it faithfully in movie form is almost impossible. You're gonna have to make some cuts, some revisions and such, and you're gonna have to brush away the crazy shit that really hasn't aged well. I'm happy with the It we got, both the first movie and the second one. Could it have been better? Maybe. Could any one of us made it better? Probably not. Am I going to go back and reread the book as a result of watching the movies? You're damn skippy.
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I feel like that could probably be 3 different movies.
No Loser finds out about it, it's never discussed again, it's just a murder vignette.
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See I agree with all of this but I still thought the whole was better than the sum of its parts
Given how beloved the Tim Curry take on Pennywise was, the fact that Skarsgård has supplanted it in my mind is no small achievement (even though the old miniseries was bad, Curry did a fantastic job for the time).
That said, I think I'd have enjoyed it more if they'd broken the story some other way. Either the miniseries that seems obvious, given the structure of the story, or just pick somewhere in the middle to cut it in half while keeping the adults/kids interweaving thing for the entire story, rather than having them appear only in the second chapter. The kids mostly turned in much stronger performances than the adults and the kids' story is always going to be the more interesting one. Taking the existing adult scenes and spreading them across the entire 5? 6? hour runtime would have diluted the less-impressive performances and could have let them retain more of the
For example:
Also, I kind of feel like movie-adult-Mike read the novel.
I initially felt like the real resolution they find for It was a bit odd but, on reflection, the whole 'it has no power if you have no fear' message has been the films' equivalent of the books 'whatever you believe is true' over the length of both movies. I think it would've worked better if I hadn't read the book.
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I'd also love to see a show based on The Talisman, I remember being so freaked out by those books but couldn't stop reading. It does make them super difficult to adapt since they are fucking massive books, but I think it could be done in the right hands.
In this one we already know about what's scary.
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Good:
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I thought it was a great movie experience, but yeah the movie is just okay. First one is still good, even at home. I'm not sure if this one will be.
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Also regarding the CGI, they really should have shot these two films back-to-back or atleast done all the kid scenes when the filmed the original. I wonder if they'll touch up the CGI for the home release.
I was.... honestly super uncomfortable at the brutality of the opening scene to be honest. Especially since i love that actor/director.
Anyway, It was good overall.
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Did they not? I watched Chapter 1 the night before I went to see Chapter 2 and they didn't look noticeably older to me. Admittedly I'm 40 so anyone under 20 looks like they're 12 and I'm generally bad at remembering people's faces...but I'd expect Georgie, at least, to look significantly different if they'd been filmed a year or two apart.
Being able to be terrifying during broad daylight in the middle of a town square is extra creepy.
Maybe a few scenes, but not all of them. Specifically, Finn Wolfhard got hit by puberty like a truck and then dragged a few miles (explains how he got so tall) so really he was the one who I noticed the most being... Altered.
That was a great scene - much better than the book equivalent - but I was really wanting
They had to cut a buncha stuff from the first one due to budget constraints, like the smokehouse part. Shooting all the kids' scenes to potentially use in a second half that they weren't sure they were gonna get wasn't gonna happen.
I think the whole thing works better as a secret shame, especially contrasted with the guy from the opening vignette. A lot of people who grow up in regressive places stifle their identity well into adulthood and given this whole book/movie is supposed to be a coming-of-age story about how the only fear we have is what we give power to ourselves is a strong theme. One of the only themes it has, actually, so taking that away for a cathartic moment that hadn’t quite been earned yet would have made Richie’s arc less interesting when it ended up being the most compelling of all the adults’.
I loved Adult Eddie as well with his interactions with Richie. That and not to mention...
And Skarsgard as Pennywise. I love how crazed he felt in this film. Like a feral force unleashed.
Miniseries vs Movie thoughts
I mean that makes sense, but it's a shame. The films feel a bit disjointed due to that. It feels like the studio was willing to take a bigger bet on the second knowing it would be a success, and so the second half is gonna feel bloated when watching them back to back. I'm pretty happy with the movies overall but it definitely fumbled the landing a little bit after the really strong first movie. Just goes to show sometimes budget constraints actually make for a better film.
I'm sure they will create a cut that combines the two movies into one.
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Bill Skarsgård is a really fuckin’ creepy guy and that helps.
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Regarding the bleachers thing
It fleshes the monster out into a more pure evil that isn’t above understanding human nature to better prey upon them.