Ugh, made a mistake of poking my head into watching our first game above. Had to cut it off after that Boss fight throw.
Also starting Friday Night into Saturday, I had lost 8 games straight. My MMR tanked from FINALLY reaching over 2600 (2610) back down to 2511. I feel defeated T_T
And here's a little something else from today. This was recorded after the tournament had finished, while we still had a bunch of PA folks on. This was just some messing around in quick match, but I wanted to draw special attention to our comp and highlight to the thread why I think it is very strong -- I spend the first few minutes of the clip explaining the strategy to one of my friends in Twitch, who is only just beginning to get into Hots. This is where I think the meta is right now, to be honest. This is what I personally think is very strong -- you have a lot of front line, a lot of pick potential, backed up by two very efficient healers, further supported by a strong backline assassin. Essentially, our entire team has movement speed advantage over the enemy team at all points in the game. We have mobility and the other team does not. We furthermore have incredible sustained healing, and we're capable of dealing with AoE damage, single target burst, and poke. It is just ... ridiculous.
Also, if you want my advice for the next tournament? It basically boils down to 2 words: Garrosh, and Tyrande. These are two of the most powerful heroes in the game right now. They're not only extremely impactful, but they're also both super easy to play from a mechanical standpoint. I expected to see a lot more of these two in the tournament (I think we saw Garrosh come out once, and he won). I also expected to see Kel'thuzad make at least a few appearances, especially from Brute Squad since I know @WingedWeasel has been practicing on him a lot. I'm actually not certain he got played even once. These are really, super strong heroes in the current patch. And I actually think people have a lot of difficulty playing against them. I strongly believe that whichever team spends the next month or so practicing these heroes will see a lot of good returns in the next tournament.
Also, if you want my advice for the next tournament? It basically boils down to 2 words: Garrosh, and Tyrande. These are two of the most powerful heroes in the game right now. They're not only extremely impactful, but they're also both super easy to play from a mechanical standpoint. I expected to see a lot more of these two in the tournament (I think we saw Garrosh come out once, and he won). I also expected to see Kel'thuzad make at least a few appearances, especially from Brute Squad since I know WingedWeasel has been practicing on him a lot. I'm actually not certain he got played even once. These are really, super strong heroes in the current patch. And I actually think people have a lot of difficulty playing against them. I strongly believe that whichever team spends the next month or so practicing these heroes will see a lot of good returns in the next tournament.
We (specifically Invictus, and kinda me) really wanted to run Garrosh but talked ourselves out of it a couple times. He's very strong.
One thing I do have to say I'm pleased with, today, is that for all my grumbling we did a pretty decent job of trying to run characters people had been planning to try out here. I got a Leoric game, we got kime on Zeratul, we got traib off support one game so he could do some specialist-ing, and so on. That was good, even if the results weren't really what we'd been hoping. Would've been nice to get Garrosh in as well but at least we got Invictus on Tyrael and Arthas, who I know he likes.
I had bought and practiced some KT, but I dunno, most of my practice was in QM. And QM is such a coin flip with a squishy hero like KT...
Edit: yeah, Zeratul was supposed to be my secret weapon this tourney. But honestly, I expected to be in the finals, so when we knew that it was our last game already, we were just "let's do Zeratul no matter what."
And I actually think it should have worked! But golly, we weren't counting on me playing some of my worst games of HotS this morning lol
I had bought and practiced some KT, but I dunno, most of my practice was in QM. And QM is such a coin flip with a squishy hero like KT...
Yeah, and I put a bunch of time in on Valla in particular, but you guys seemed to want me on Warrior so I went there. Would've been much happier with a Bo3 for third just to try to get past that third game and so we could just roll on whoever with the stakes established.
I think it should be noted that some characters aren't selected because either:
1) we don't own them ($10k so expensive )
2) the old burden of execution. Tyrande is super strong but hard to play well. Kind of like Illidan or Zeratul.
Option #1 can't really be helped unless you stockpile gold (no rerolling) or get lucky on crates. Option #2 is definitely a play-more to fix problem, but some of us just don't have the skills or mesh with that playstyle.
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Some of our pre-tourney discussion regarding maps had a lot to do with which ones would enable our comfort picks the most. Given how terrifying Knight's Diablo is and how much I love Nazeebo, Dragon Shire, Tomb, Shrines and Towers were on our favoured list. Even then, I wasn't too worried since our team had a wide enough hero pool that we could make something work on a map like Cursed Hollow.
Grand Finals / Game Two - Arrogant Nephalem vs Brute Squad (ducks' stream)
I'm not gonna lie, but I've watched the ending of this game starting from 21:37 a couple times now just to watch that last combo I had after exiting the DK (what's the point of playing Alarak if you're not going to stroke your own ego). I had some awful, awful combo attempts before, but this one was just everything I want when I play Alarak. Like Diablo, I feel like he really punishes positioning errors. Everyone is just too far forward given Diablo, the 20-17 level difference, and the fact that it was 4v5, even if I did waste the DK.
Regarding player drafting, it might help if I completed the spreadsheet I was working on during the last tourney (Link here). I apologize but I got a bit lazy and distracted and never went through with it. Perhaps it would be easier for people to draft players if they had a handbook and a set of stats showing each player's strengths. @Inquisitor77 or @milk ducks can you let me know if you have the replay files for the games Arrogant Nephalem wasn't in? Otherwise @Nyht and @WingedWeasel can you provide me with the replay files you have? I've got spreadsheet set up to let me copy paste the hotslogs match stats page into it. though some work needs to be done to get player stats in a place I want it to be.
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Also, if you want my advice for the next tournament? It basically boils down to 2 words: Garrosh, and Tyrande. These are two of the most powerful heroes in the game right now. They're not only extremely impactful, but they're also both super easy to play from a mechanical standpoint. I expected to see a lot more of these two in the tournament (I think we saw Garrosh come out once, and he won). I also expected to see Kel'thuzad make at least a few appearances, especially from Brute Squad since I know WingedWeasel has been practicing on him a lot. I'm actually not certain he got played even once. These are really, super strong heroes in the current patch. And I actually think people have a lot of difficulty playing against them. I strongly believe that whichever team spends the next month or so practicing these heroes will see a lot of good returns in the next tournament.
We (specifically Invictus, and kinda me) really wanted to run Garrosh but talked ourselves out of it a couple times. He's very strong.
One thing I do have to say I'm pleased with, today, is that for all my grumbling we did a pretty decent job of trying to run characters people had been planning to try out here. I got a Leoric game, we got kime on Zeratul, we got traib off support one game so he could do some specialist-ing, and so on. That was good, even if the results weren't really what we'd been hoping. Would've been nice to get Garrosh in as well but at least we got Invictus on Tyrael and Arthas, who I know he likes.
I didn't realize we finally had a stealth pick! Just watched the game and uh...not sure I would've drafted Zeratul there (which Dibby and ducks mentioned in stream). :P But it was nice to see some branching out in the draft. Really interesting team comps on both sides. I liked the return of the Azmodan+Artanis duo, as I think we've seen that on BoE before in a PA game.
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Also, if you want my advice for the next tournament? It basically boils down to 2 words: Garrosh, and Tyrande. These are two of the most powerful heroes in the game right now. They're not only extremely impactful, but they're also both super easy to play from a mechanical standpoint. I expected to see a lot more of these two in the tournament (I think we saw Garrosh come out once, and he won). I also expected to see Kel'thuzad make at least a few appearances, especially from Brute Squad since I know WingedWeasel has been practicing on him a lot. I'm actually not certain he got played even once. These are really, super strong heroes in the current patch. And I actually think people have a lot of difficulty playing against them. I strongly believe that whichever team spends the next month or so practicing these heroes will see a lot of good returns in the next tournament.
We (specifically Invictus, and kinda me) really wanted to run Garrosh but talked ourselves out of it a couple times. He's very strong.
One thing I do have to say I'm pleased with, today, is that for all my grumbling we did a pretty decent job of trying to run characters people had been planning to try out here. I got a Leoric game, we got kime on Zeratul, we got traib off support one game so he could do some specialist-ing, and so on. That was good, even if the results weren't really what we'd been hoping. Would've been nice to get Garrosh in as well but at least we got Invictus on Tyrael and Arthas, who I know he likes.
I didn't realize we finally had a stealth pick! Just watched the game and uh...not sure I would've drafted Zeratul there (which Dibby and ducks mentioned in stream). :P But it was nice to see some branching out in the draft. Really interesting team comps on both sides. I liked the return of the Azmodan+Artanis duo, as I think we've seen that on BoE before in a PA game.
Yeah, the Azmo / Artanis combination was a game that my and kime's team lost in the last tournament or the one before that, and I too was looking at their team and thinking "This may not be the time for Zeratul," but we'd wanted to do it and we gave it a shot.
Also, if you want my advice for the next tournament? It basically boils down to 2 words: Garrosh, and Tyrande. These are two of the most powerful heroes in the game right now. They're not only extremely impactful, but they're also both super easy to play from a mechanical standpoint. I expected to see a lot more of these two in the tournament (I think we saw Garrosh come out once, and he won). I also expected to see Kel'thuzad make at least a few appearances, especially from Brute Squad since I know WingedWeasel has been practicing on him a lot. I'm actually not certain he got played even once. These are really, super strong heroes in the current patch. And I actually think people have a lot of difficulty playing against them. I strongly believe that whichever team spends the next month or so practicing these heroes will see a lot of good returns in the next tournament.
We (specifically Invictus, and kinda me) really wanted to run Garrosh but talked ourselves out of it a couple times. He's very strong.
One thing I do have to say I'm pleased with, today, is that for all my grumbling we did a pretty decent job of trying to run characters people had been planning to try out here. I got a Leoric game, we got kime on Zeratul, we got traib off support one game so he could do some specialist-ing, and so on. That was good, even if the results weren't really what we'd been hoping. Would've been nice to get Garrosh in as well but at least we got Invictus on Tyrael and Arthas, who I know he likes.
I didn't realize we finally had a stealth pick! Just watched the game and uh...not sure I would've drafted Zeratul there (which Dibby and ducks mentioned in stream). :P But it was nice to see some branching out in the draft. Really interesting team comps on both sides. I liked the return of the Azmodan+Artanis duo, as I think we've seen that on BoE before in a PA game.
Yeah, the Azmo / Artanis combination was a game that my and kime's team lost in the last tournament or the one before that, and I too was looking at their team and thinking "This may not be the time for Zeratul," but we'd wanted to do it and we gave it a shot.
Yeah. I thank my team for that. They knew I practiced Zeratul for the tourney, so we decided we were just going Zera no matter what that last game, since it didn't "matter"
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I'm happy I finally got to play my Abathur.
And ya'll can't hear/see the team deliberations, but literally every map he wasn't banned on I asked the team if I could bring him out. Hence why I ended up picking last a lot (and also because my backups aren't necessarily popular).
I watched the replays thinking "well I didn't well this time" then after the replays "man I played like fucking trash" My malth is abysmal, I need to actually put in work on him and break my bad clone malty habits.
I find it kinda funny that I am known for my limited hero pool (re: Abathur) but I played a different hero each game (Ragnaros twice) and our most versatile players were the ones who never switched heroes. Dat Diablo, Rhegar, Lunara, Nazeebo combo.
I did laugh at all the Li-Ming bans because Kieri was gonna be going Lunara anyway.
Other highlights:
ancestral healing saving Diablo long enough to bait the enemy team into a lava wave.
Stealing shit as abathur and escaping with ultimate evolution
Ggs guys
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Oh and about player MMR, I don't use hotslogs so anything from there about me is gonna be incomplete data.
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Some day we will have streamers who can record the games on PCs that can handle more than the first generation of Commander Keen games... :P
I intend to upgrade at tax time next year. Or, I mean, I did. Our air conditioning unit will obviously need to be replaced, and that's going to be a couple of thousand dollars, easy. If it's still possible to buy a new computer next February or so, I will. In the meantime, though, I honestly don't think it looks as bad as all that.
Inquisitor77 or "milk ducks" can you let me know if you have the replay files for the games Arrogant Nephalem wasn't in?
The only match Dibby and I cast that Arrogant Nephalem wasn't in was their first match of the finals. I posted all of the replays I recorded from yesterday here in the thread, and the raw footage is all available in the videos section of my Twitch channel.
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One more little fun fact.
I was listening to my Disney playlist (I still need to expand it) during the tourney.
And the first time I stole the shrine on Dragonshire, you know what playing?
One Jump Ahead. From Aladdin.
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@finnith or I guess anyone else. Does hots auto save replays by default? Or is it an option in feature?
Re: randomly assigned teams: I am not a fan of this methodology. While drafting teams may not be perfect I think it is the superior option.
Gary and KT: part of the issue is that it isn't just having someone comfortable with the hero but 4 other people comfortable with the hero being on the team alongside the ability to get a comp they will work in. A common refrain is hero pool depth.
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finnith or I guess anyone else. Does hots auto save replays by default? Or is it an option in feature?
Re: randomly assigned teams: I am not a fan of this methodology. While drafting teams may not be perfect I think it is the superior option.
Gary and KT: part of the issue is that it isn't just having someone comfortable with the hero but 4 other people comfortable with the hero being on the team alongside the ability to get a comp they will work in. A common refrain is hero pool depth.
It's a toggleable option in the menus to either save every replay or for you to select which specific replays you wanna save.
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@finnith i guess that i had the save reply feature on since forever because i have way more than i thought. which ones do you need, and how do you want to transfer them?
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It's on save everything by default. I turned it off personally because otherwise I'd have no idea which saves were which.
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I will admit I am prejudiced against abathur generally because he warps the game for your team a lot and you have to play very different, which I usually don't enjoy. Your abathur is mean though, def respect.
(Also most people in quick match are just horrible beyond reason at abathur and I have ptsd, hah)
And your malthael was pretty good really. You just need to be more willing to kite in and out and not just square up with people. Since malthael does a lot of his damage passively with mark and has so much mobility to marked targets, you can win trades by just keeping it up on people instead of constantly meleeing. But besides that I think you handled him perfectly well in the bigger team fights. Wouldn't have suggested you play him again on shrines (until their comp became turbo mean for melee anyway, lol) if I didn't think yours was good!
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Gary and KT: part of the issue is that it isn't just having someone comfortable with the hero but 4 other people comfortable with the hero being on the team alongside the ability to get a comp they will work in. A common refrain is hero pool depth.
I killed poor Waffles a number of times on Friday with well-meant pick off throws, yeah.
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he warps the game for your team a lot and you have to play very different
Oh yeah, definitely. The "auto tilt" aspect of picking abathur in draft has made me just not fight it in these tourneys if the team isn't willing.
Also, after playing with you and your D all day yesterday I legitimately think my Diablo play has leveled up significantly :rotate:
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Or like, "oh, I know what they drafted/banned that way, they are planning on <good idea> next!"
Nope we didn't do it for any of those good reasons. In fact some of the time we let the other team get those good reasons :P
(I'm still pretty sure we lost because we didn't draft specialists. Specialists are OP!)
"Now, he COULD be choosing this hero as a long term strategy to force his opponent into an unwinnable scenario through a series of Machiavellian maneuvers. Or we all could be the musings of a blind idiot god rambling madly at the stars. Could be either, really."
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Does anyone have a list of all the PA tournament games with the players and results? I wasn't part of the first few tournaments and I've deleted my old replays so I can't go back and check.
I throught it might be interesting to calculate mmr based on tournament games only. I'm not sure how useful that mmr would be (pretty sure invictus is a better player than I am despite his current losing streak) but it might be amusing to see.
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Does anyone have a list of all the PA tournament games with the players and results? I wasn't part of the first few tournaments and I've deleted my old replays so I can't go back and check.
I throught it might be interesting to calculate mmr based on tournament games only. I'm not sure how useful that mmr would be (pretty sure invictus is a better player than I am despite his current losing streak) but it might be amusing to see.
The sample size and player pool would be too small.
You could like, do a tier list I guess?
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Does anyone have a list of all the PA tournament games with the players and results? I wasn't part of the first few tournaments and I've deleted my old replays so I can't go back and check.
I throught it might be interesting to calculate mmr based on tournament games only. I'm not sure how useful that mmr would be (pretty sure invictus is a better player than I am despite his current losing streak) but it might be amusing to see.
The sample size and player pool would be too small.
You could like, do a tier list I guess?
Yea, I'm not expecting the data to be that useful as the most games any player would have is around 12-13 but I thought it might be interesting. I could write a quick script to do the calculations and update it as more data comes in.
Does anyone have a list of all the PA tournament games with the players and results? I wasn't part of the first few tournaments and I've deleted my old replays so I can't go back and check.
I throught it might be interesting to calculate mmr based on tournament games only. I'm not sure how useful that mmr would be (pretty sure invictus is a better player than I am despite his current losing streak) but it might be amusing to see.
Some of our pre-tourney discussion regarding maps had a lot to do with which ones would enable our comfort picks the most. Given how terrifying Knight's Diablo is and how much I love Nazeebo, Dragon Shire, Tomb, Shrines and Towers were on our favoured list. Even then, I wasn't too worried since our team had a wide enough hero pool that we could make something work on a map like Cursed Hollow.
Grand Finals / Game Two - Arrogant Nephalem vs Brute Squad (ducks' stream)
I'm not gonna lie, but I've watched the ending of this game starting from 21:37 a couple times now just to watch that last combo I had after exiting the DK (what's the point of playing Alarak if you're not going to stroke your own ego). I had some awful, awful combo attempts before, but this one was just everything I want when I play Alarak. Like Diablo, I feel like he really punishes positioning errors. Everyone is just too far forward given Diablo, the 20-17 level difference, and the fact that it was 4v5, even if I did waste the DK.
Regarding player drafting, it might help if I completed the spreadsheet I was working on during the last tourney (Link here). I apologize but I got a bit lazy and distracted and never went through with it. Perhaps it would be easier for people to draft players if they had a handbook and a set of stats showing each player's strengths. Inquisitor77 or "milk ducks" can you let me know if you have the replay files for the games Arrogant Nephalem wasn't in? Otherwise Nyht and @WingedWeasel can you provide me with the replay files you have? I've got spreadsheet set up to let me copy paste the hotslogs match stats page into it. though some work needs to be done to get player stats in a place I want it to be.
@finnith i guess that i had the save reply feature on since forever because i have way more than i thought. which ones do you need, and how do you want to transfer them?
There's two ways:
1) Share the replay file directly via Dropbox/Google Drive etc.: In the "Heroes of the Storm" folder in My Documents, under the "Accounts" subfolder there should be listed the accounts that you have played with. Find the folder that corresponds to your account. From there, for some reason there is again another layer of subfolders, just look in the "Replays" subfolder of each to find the one that has all your Replay files. Unless you've played more games since the tourney yesterday, the most recently modified files will be the tourney games (so just send the last 4 in that case). If you have played more games, the replay files are named by map, and the two games you played before the finals on Dragon Shire and Tomb of the Spider Queen are the ones I need from you.
2) Use Hotslogs and Authenticate your Battle.net Account: If you have an account on Hotslogs.com, you can authenticate your account via Battle.net in the settings menu, allowing you to upload custom games to Hotslogs. If you take a screenshot of the match history page applicable to those two games I can input them to my spreadsheet. Alternatively I believe Sharing the Replay lets me just copy and paste the match stats more easily.
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Yeah, it would be nice. The computer is definitely due for an upgrade, but unfortunately it's just not something I can do.
Honestly it really doesn't impact the streaming experience. When I'm watching your games, I'm focusing on the heroes and your comments rather than the special effects on the map. Having the graphics set low even makes it easier to follow what's going on which can be difficult if you're trying to focus on more than one hero.
I've always wanted to look into streaming and would like to try lending my voice to commentary at some point. If I bother to set up a system I can look at how high I can have settings, my computer isn't great by today's standards but it isn't bad still.
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I've always wanted to look into streaming and would like to try lending my voice to commentary at some point. If I bother to set up a system I can look at how high I can have settings, my computer isn't great by today's standards but it isn't bad still.
I used to do a very low-fi stream when I was drafting Solforge regularly; the community loved to collaborate on those. It's not that hard to just get something going people can watch, but taking it to like Bludgeon-tier takes some work.
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Also starting Friday Night into Saturday, I had lost 8 games straight. My MMR tanked from FINALLY reaching over 2600 (2610) back down to 2511. I feel defeated T_T
tyrande i'm still so so on, she's good, but i don't think she's meta defining especially after her nerf.
We (specifically Invictus, and kinda me) really wanted to run Garrosh but talked ourselves out of it a couple times. He's very strong.
One thing I do have to say I'm pleased with, today, is that for all my grumbling we did a pretty decent job of trying to run characters people had been planning to try out here. I got a Leoric game, we got kime on Zeratul, we got traib off support one game so he could do some specialist-ing, and so on. That was good, even if the results weren't really what we'd been hoping. Would've been nice to get Garrosh in as well but at least we got Invictus on Tyrael and Arthas, who I know he likes.
Edit: yeah, Zeratul was supposed to be my secret weapon this tourney. But honestly, I expected to be in the finals, so when we knew that it was our last game already, we were just "let's do Zeratul no matter what."
And I actually think it should have worked! But golly, we weren't counting on me playing some of my worst games of HotS this morning lol
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Yeah, and I put a bunch of time in on Valla in particular, but you guys seemed to want me on Warrior so I went there. Would've been much happier with a Bo3 for third just to try to get past that third game and so we could just roll on whoever with the stakes established.
1) we don't own them ($10k so expensive
2) the old burden of execution. Tyrande is super strong but hard to play well. Kind of like Illidan or Zeratul.
Option #1 can't really be helped unless you stockpile gold (no rerolling) or get lucky on crates. Option #2 is definitely a play-more to fix problem, but some of us just don't have the skills or mesh with that playstyle.
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Some of our pre-tourney discussion regarding maps had a lot to do with which ones would enable our comfort picks the most. Given how terrifying Knight's Diablo is and how much I love Nazeebo, Dragon Shire, Tomb, Shrines and Towers were on our favoured list. Even then, I wasn't too worried since our team had a wide enough hero pool that we could make something work on a map like Cursed Hollow.
I'm not gonna lie, but I've watched the ending of this game starting from 21:37 a couple times now just to watch that last combo I had after exiting the DK (what's the point of playing Alarak if you're not going to stroke your own ego). I had some awful, awful combo attempts before, but this one was just everything I want when I play Alarak. Like Diablo, I feel like he really punishes positioning errors. Everyone is just too far forward given Diablo, the 20-17 level difference, and the fact that it was 4v5, even if I did waste the DK.
Regarding player drafting, it might help if I completed the spreadsheet I was working on during the last tourney (Link here). I apologize but I got a bit lazy and distracted and never went through with it. Perhaps it would be easier for people to draft players if they had a handbook and a set of stats showing each player's strengths. @Inquisitor77 or @milk ducks can you let me know if you have the replay files for the games Arrogant Nephalem wasn't in? Otherwise @Nyht and @WingedWeasel can you provide me with the replay files you have? I've got spreadsheet set up to let me copy paste the hotslogs match stats page into it. though some work needs to be done to get player stats in a place I want it to be.
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I didn't realize we finally had a stealth pick! Just watched the game and uh...not sure I would've drafted Zeratul there (which Dibby and ducks mentioned in stream). :P But it was nice to see some branching out in the draft. Really interesting team comps on both sides. I liked the return of the Azmodan+Artanis duo, as I think we've seen that on BoE before in a PA game.
Yeah, the Azmo / Artanis combination was a game that my and kime's team lost in the last tournament or the one before that, and I too was looking at their team and thinking "This may not be the time for Zeratul," but we'd wanted to do it and we gave it a shot.
Yeah. I thank my team for that. They knew I practiced Zeratul for the tourney, so we decided we were just going Zera no matter what that last game, since it didn't "matter"
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And ya'll can't hear/see the team deliberations, but literally every map he wasn't banned on I asked the team if I could bring him out. Hence why I ended up picking last a lot (and also because my backups aren't necessarily popular).
I watched the replays thinking "well I didn't well this time" then after the replays "man I played like fucking trash" My malth is abysmal, I need to actually put in work on him and break my bad clone malty habits.
I find it kinda funny that I am known for my limited hero pool (re: Abathur) but I played a different hero each game (Ragnaros twice) and our most versatile players were the ones who never switched heroes. Dat Diablo, Rhegar, Lunara, Nazeebo combo.
I did laugh at all the Li-Ming bans because Kieri was gonna be going Lunara anyway.
Other highlights:
ancestral healing saving Diablo long enough to bait the enemy team into a lava wave.
Stealing shit as abathur and escaping with ultimate evolution
Ggs guys
I intend to upgrade at tax time next year. Or, I mean, I did. Our air conditioning unit will obviously need to be replaced, and that's going to be a couple of thousand dollars, easy. If it's still possible to buy a new computer next February or so, I will. In the meantime, though, I honestly don't think it looks as bad as all that.
The only match Dibby and I cast that Arrogant Nephalem wasn't in was their first match of the finals. I posted all of the replays I recorded from yesterday here in the thread, and the raw footage is all available in the videos section of my Twitch channel.
I was listening to my Disney playlist (I still need to expand it) during the tourney.
And the first time I stole the shrine on Dragonshire, you know what playing?
One Jump Ahead. From Aladdin.
Re: randomly assigned teams: I am not a fan of this methodology. While drafting teams may not be perfect I think it is the superior option.
Gary and KT: part of the issue is that it isn't just having someone comfortable with the hero but 4 other people comfortable with the hero being on the team alongside the ability to get a comp they will work in. A common refrain is hero pool depth.
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It's a toggleable option in the menus to either save every replay or for you to select which specific replays you wanna save.
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(Also most people in quick match are just horrible beyond reason at abathur and I have ptsd, hah)
And your malthael was pretty good really. You just need to be more willing to kite in and out and not just square up with people. Since malthael does a lot of his damage passively with mark and has so much mobility to marked targets, you can win trades by just keeping it up on people instead of constantly meleeing. But besides that I think you handled him perfectly well in the bigger team fights. Wouldn't have suggested you play him again on shrines (until their comp became turbo mean for melee anyway, lol) if I didn't think yours was good!
I killed poor Waffles a number of times on Friday with well-meant pick off throws, yeah.
"Why do you think Always Mafia chose this map?"
"<list of good reasons>"
Or like, "oh, I know what they drafted/banned that way, they are planning on <good idea> next!"
Nope we didn't do it for any of those good reasons. In fact some of the time we let the other team get those good reasons :P
(I'm still pretty sure we lost because we didn't draft specialists. Specialists are OP!)
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Oh yeah, definitely. The "auto tilt" aspect of picking abathur in draft has made me just not fight it in these tourneys if the team isn't willing.
Also, after playing with you and your D all day yesterday I legitimately think my Diablo play has leveled up significantly :rotate:
"Now, he COULD be choosing this hero as a long term strategy to force his opponent into an unwinnable scenario through a series of Machiavellian maneuvers. Or we all could be the musings of a blind idiot god rambling madly at the stars. Could be either, really."
I throught it might be interesting to calculate mmr based on tournament games only. I'm not sure how useful that mmr would be (pretty sure invictus is a better player than I am despite his current losing streak) but it might be amusing to see.
The sample size and player pool would be too small.
You could like, do a tier list I guess?
Yea, I'm not expecting the data to be that useful as the most games any player would have is around 12-13 but I thought it might be interesting. I could write a quick script to do the calculations and update it as more data comes in.
@finnith has a google doc with this data
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Yeah, it would be nice. The computer is definitely due for an upgrade, but unfortunately it's just not something I can do.
There's two ways:
1) Share the replay file directly via Dropbox/Google Drive etc.: In the "Heroes of the Storm" folder in My Documents, under the "Accounts" subfolder there should be listed the accounts that you have played with. Find the folder that corresponds to your account. From there, for some reason there is again another layer of subfolders, just look in the "Replays" subfolder of each to find the one that has all your Replay files. Unless you've played more games since the tourney yesterday, the most recently modified files will be the tourney games (so just send the last 4 in that case). If you have played more games, the replay files are named by map, and the two games you played before the finals on Dragon Shire and Tomb of the Spider Queen are the ones I need from you.
2) Use Hotslogs and Authenticate your Battle.net Account: If you have an account on Hotslogs.com, you can authenticate your account via Battle.net in the settings menu, allowing you to upload custom games to Hotslogs. If you take a screenshot of the match history page applicable to those two games I can input them to my spreadsheet. Alternatively I believe Sharing the Replay lets me just copy and paste the match stats more easily.
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Honestly it really doesn't impact the streaming experience. When I'm watching your games, I'm focusing on the heroes and your comments rather than the special effects on the map. Having the graphics set low even makes it easier to follow what's going on which can be difficult if you're trying to focus on more than one hero.
I used to do a very low-fi stream when I was drafting Solforge regularly; the community loved to collaborate on those. It's not that hard to just get something going people can watch, but taking it to like Bludgeon-tier takes some work.