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Penny Arcade - Comic - Dropping Science
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Penny Arcade - Comic - Dropping Science
Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.
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Any population with a sufficiently rural/agrarian bent has a strong leaning towards creationism and a visceral reaction against
Take me for example: I grew up in Houston and graduated high school in the mid-90's, and that kind of science-denial was fucking everywhere. Houston's the fourth largest city in the U.S. and the thirteenth busiest port in the world.
Yet, despite the absolutely massive petro-chem industry, despite the fact that The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo is the culmination of thousands of years of selective evolution, people still turn a blind eye to cause-and-effect; I have family members in their eighties who've never seen hurricanes in their entire lives like the ones of the last month, yet they still persist in denying climate change or humanity's effect on such.
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For what it's worth, I think it's a variation of the Sunk Cost Fallacy: I've invested too much time and effort into believing that I'm right to ever admit that I might have been misled or otherwise misinformed, so damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead.
Edit: Also as someone who lives in the south(Alabama) I don't remember this really being a thing when I was in school(the middle to late 90s). Though there was an optional religious studies class of some sort that I assume was created to appease the sort of people that get offended by the concept of evolution.
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
Of course science isn't always right. New things are learned all the time.(And the Pluto thing is basically semantics)
This is true, of course. But it is usually the religious(probably Christian) that have the most problem with the teaching of evolution. It isn't as if Genesis could be written in metaphor. But it is not my place to tell people what to believe, and I respect everyone's right to believe what they want. Nor do I think religion and science are mutually exclusive. Because, only a fool believes he knows everything.
I don't think this is just about creationism vs evolution. There are people out there now claiming science (particularly math) is sexist and others claiming science is racist. And no, I'm not talking about sexism or racism IN science.
Man creates god. Man rebels against god. Man replaces god with science. Science is man's new god. Man rebels against god (science).
It's a cycle. And that's why we have flat-earthers, climate change deniers, and anti-vaccine folks out there. They are blatantly disregarding science, not because it's science, but because it is god, and it is in man's nature to rebel against god.
The first day of my sociology class we got a similar schpiel from our professor. That was in Puyallup which is a fairly small town outside Tacoma. There's plenty of creationists/etc in most states. Just more in some than others.
Is this a joke post? Science isn't right or wrong - it's a method of observation that people use to come to a conclusion about a hypothesis through experimentation. "Science" isn't a single organization that disseminates information.
Results changing based on analysis of new data is literally what science is all about. It's GOOD that we recognize changing results.
Wrong, its all decided by this guy
with these two guys running the lab
Ah yes, you can always tell a persons argument is valid and reasonable when it includes the word "lol"
Also, does he think that Science is just one big uniform group or something that sits around and argues about what classifications to release this year?
I get the feeling a lot of people believe precisely this.
You have certainly said enough, yes.
Question #1. Solve the following equation. 2 + 2 = ?
Answer: SORRY I DONT BELIEVE IN MATH.
(A+)
that's such an easy major. Watch, I'll write your thesis for you.
*dusts off hands*
SCIENCE!
That last speech bubble
It's glorious
It's an everywhere thing, even where education itself is solid, the, "I'm not telling you to believe it, I'm telling you to understand it," cop out is eternal.
As for "science" being right or wrong, science is using experiments to reach conclusions. It's the CONCLUSIONS that are not always correct.
NO, SHHHHH! We don't talk about the hair. The last poster who talked about the hair was never seen again. In fact, I think it might even be searching for all references to "Gabe's hair" and
NOMA can go die in a fire, as can all appeals to the Golden Mean.
Religion is full-stop superstition and has no worthwhile commentary to make. Far less so when it involves what actually happens in the natural world.
I'm also a fan of his bit on alternative medicine. It's something like "Do you know what we call alternative medicine that works? Medicine."
Congratulations, you just used the same argument creationists use, that microevolution is somehow a separate concept from macroevolution.
FWIW, I was responding to TUBE who stated that evolution only changes species and does not modify existing species.
Unless that's not what he meant, in which case I totally apologize for misunderstanding what he said.
P.S. How the heck do you quote people on this site?
Dog breeding is absolutely a thing. So are species evolving until they are entirely different species. Saying that species adapt but never to the point where they are a new species(which is how I read your post, correct me if I'm mistaken) just... doesn't really make sense. Those two concepts can't be separated, if a species can evolve, it can keep evolving until it's unrecognisable. That's why we're unrecognisable as the single cell organisms that we evolved from. I'm trying not to sound rude, but it's difficult with these kind of conversations, sorry.
Cor blimey.
He definitely didn't say that. Not sure how you got that. He was saying that you can believe in the smaller scale existing but not that over time it would go further is what seems to not make much sense.
As far as evolution goes, you have to know that Tesla believed we got thoughts given to us from extra-dimensional beings, and Darwin's partner, Alfred Russel Wallace, who basically invented evolution and natural science with Darwin, changed his mind. Some people think our brains increased dramatically in size because we ate psychedelic mushrooms. But they don't teach that. You also need to understand that there's an agenda to keep people believing that the general population is human cattle, not special, and not magical. It's thought control, for reals, and it really, actually does exist. Thought control is happening every day. Just go read the news.
Google "the problems with evolution" and there's a lot of good information out there.
Maybe this will help you.
It's pretty dang well understood.