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Co-existence with [The Orville] is impossible.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    I see Orville as basically the anti-Rick and Morty.

    These are dumb people who mean well. Rather than a smart person who's just awful.

    It's more cynical than Star Trek, but it doesn't go into full nihilism mode.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Taranis wrote: »
    I have to think humans in the 1700s would feel just as perplexed by the concept of modern day mathematics, physics, biology, neurology, etc. But we manage that pretty well nowadays.

    I don't think characters on Trek shows being multi-disciplined scientific experts (by our measure) is anything all that bananas.

    Yeah, maybe our education system has also managed to evolve along with everything else. Not having to worry about things like bills also frees up a lot of time for education.

    The "trope where being intelligent is equated with knowing everything" makes vastly more sense in a Trek-like universe than everywhere else on TV. It's usually a very stupid trope though.

    When you think about it, Starfleet could be filled with ridiculous overachievers. There is what? Around a hundred member worlds, each with a couple of billion people on it, not counting colonies. Yet Starfleet only has one academy, on one planet, in one city.

    From what we have seen, the entry standards are really high too. Wesley had a hard time getting entry despite being his own special brand of Mary Sue(the Wesley).

    It could be argued that the characters we see onscreen are exceptions even to the higher standards of the Future.

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    They're clearly all far better educated than any person today, but you rarely see any of them with a workable understanding outside of their own field the way you often do in Star Trek. For example, Voyager encounters an anomaly, the science officer states the proper name for it, and the cook says, "I thought those were only theoretical! The gravimetric distortions would be far more than any starship's engines could handle." Same thing happens on Orville, and everyone who's not a science officer says, "Ok, that's a lot of words, but what is it?"

    You mean the cook with a background in starship engineering (warp engines and environmental systems) that has been the captain of an independant tradefreighter for years when the Voyager encounters him?
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    When you think about it, Starfleet could be filled with ridiculous overachievers. There is what? Around a hundred member worlds, each with a couple of billion people on it, not counting colonies. Yet Starfleet only has one academy, on one planet, in one city.

    Actually Starfleet had several annexes in different systems. At least 5 if I remember correctly. That's Canon btw since a number of them have appeared when personnel files are shown on monitors etc.
    But yeah. Starfleet is high-achievers only. You need exceptional testscores to even get to the entrance exam (and even then typicly only 20-25% of the applicants are selected). Although so far we've never seen a captain graduating from anything but earth academy.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Taranis wrote: »
    I have to think humans in the 1700s would feel just as perplexed by the concept of modern day mathematics, physics, biology, neurology, etc. But we manage that pretty well nowadays.

    I don't think characters on Trek shows being multi-disciplined scientific experts (by our measure) is anything all that bananas.

    Yeah, maybe our education system has also managed to evolve along with everything else. Not having to worry about things like bills also frees up a lot of time for education.

    The "trope where being intelligent is equated with knowing everything" makes vastly more sense in a Trek-like universe than everywhere else on TV. It's usually a very stupid trope though.

    When you think about it, Starfleet could be filled with ridiculous overachievers. There is what? Around a hundred member worlds, each with a couple of billion people on it, not counting colonies. Yet Starfleet only has one academy, on one planet, in one city.

    From what we have seen, the entry standards are really high too. Wesley had a hard time getting entry despite being his own special brand of Mary Sue(the Wesley).

    It could be argued that the characters we see onscreen are exceptions even to the higher standards of the Future.

    That does kind of fit in with an interesting "The Federation is actually a dystopia" theory that I read somewhere. The gist was that the vast majority of humanity is living in holo ghettos, presumably enjoying lives of hedonism and gluttony that even Hedonism Bot would envy, while only the top most over achievers are let out to actually live a real life. Sure, most of them spend some time dabbling with the Starfleet Junior Academy program, but most decide to go back to Vulcan Love Slave 27 rather than pursue actual work. So the humans you see are already the best of humanity, while those few selected for service in Starfleet are the cream of the cream of the crop.

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    What we do see of Earth outside of Starfleet is almost the opposite of Fall of Rome style hedonism. Most people are living at a lower level of technology than we do today. A communication console on a desk, and then it's books instead of pads, kitchens instead of replicators, transporter rations, no holostuff, light and safe work but still often manual labor. The only place they get the same deal as Starfleet is medicine, so they can get half their organs and all their limbs replaced and go back to work as a professional potato peeler.

    In TNG we see a mix of envy, respect, and resentment towards Starfleet with all their toys and adventure, DS9 we see a more bemused attitude, Grandpa Sisko can't really understand the appeal but never offers anything else unless Sisko is looking for it, like at the start of S7.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    One of my favourite things in DS9 is Grandpa Sisko. He runs a restaurant, but the federation doesn't use money. So he's just cooking for people out of his love of cooking and making people happy with good food. It's rad.

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  • jammujammu Sorry honey, I'm working late again. Registered User regular
    The Season 2 is shaping up to be really nice:



    The Orville - First Contact!

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  • rhylithrhylith Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    This show is so much better than it has any right to be.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    This show is so much better than it has any right to be.

    I have said this so many times. Between this and Cobra Kai I just cannot believe the quality.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Given the modern trend of virtually everything being at least 10% grimdark, Orville is a welcome lighthearted show that does a great job of carrying on in the style of classic Trek.

    Believe it or not, I get really sick and tired of every show being depressing and wish there were a lot more that weren't trying to pump that well so hard.

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  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    Can't wait to see how Orville does first contact. We've always seen it treated super serious, but I'm sure they're going to add some zany twist.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    VoodooV wrote: »
    Can't wait to see how Orville does first contact. We've always seen it treated super serious, but I'm sure they're going to add some zany twist.

    I think they kind of already did that in the episode where
    the people didn’t realize they were on a giant ship

    I may be remembering it wrong though.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Well if the rumors are any indication that one can be checked off

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Been watching Orville, and are slowly becoming a fan of the show. It's fascinating as a sort of modern update to TNG, while Discovery was to Deep Space 9. Both go in unique directions, and tones, and both have their own niches which are fulfilling.
    And random Liam Neeson cameo!

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Been watching Orville, and are slowly becoming a gan of the show. It's fascinating as a sort of modern update to TNG, while Discovery was to Deep Space 9. Both go in unique directions, and tones, and both have their own niches which are fulfilling.
    And random Liam Neeson cameo!

    Theres a strong possibility The Picard show was greenlit because Patrick Stewart was going to cameo on the Orville

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    The show does use the convention of aliens somehow speaking English though.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    When's Orvile back any way?

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    The show does use the convention of aliens somehow speaking English though.

    Universal translator.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    The show does use the convention of aliens somehow speaking English though.

    This is one of those things that has never, ever bothered me. Like, what's the alternative? Spending resources to develop an individual sounding language for every alien but then splitting in subtitles and then hand waving a translator, or something?

    Everyone speaks Basic!

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  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    No goddamn Blu-ray release, just DVD... thanks, Fox.

  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    When's Orvile back any way?
    December 30th, apparently

    But that not NOW!

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  • hawkboxhawkbox Registered User regular
    If I can get past Stargate and English I can get past The Orville and English. I mean sure, an episode devoted entirely to verb/noun relationships would be cool to my nerd heart but I can't see you carrying a season with it.

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  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    It would be awesome if they recreated ST:TNG's Darmok episode, except the two captains are stuck in some sort of mind-numbing office instead of fighting for survival on an alien world.



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  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    One of my favourite things in DS9 is Grandpa Sisko. He runs a restaurant, but the federation doesn't use money. So he's just cooking for people out of his love of cooking and making people happy with good food. It's rad.

    I imagine it is a lot like the favor economy in parts of eclipse phase. If grandpa sisko needs some help to do stuff a lot of his patrons would probably drop what they are doing to lend him a hand. Kinda like if your own grandpa needed some help doing something it isn't for pay but you kinda feel you owe it to them to come help when they ask.

  • destroyah87destroyah87 Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    So I'd known of this show for a long while but was avoiding it because of procrastination and that it was a Seth Macfarlane production. After being shown an episode of Black Mirror (which was enough to know the show was not for me but was good) this summer; I started craving an optimistic light-hearted sci-fi show.

    I was happy to find that The Orville was just such a show, since I binged the first season in three days. Sure it had its missteps, and some modern humor bits that were trying too hard in the early episodes. But there was just such a core of humanity and earnestness to the show that I didn't care.

    I can't wait to see season 2.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    The Macfarlane thing had me avoid it at first as well, and I'm so glad I decided to take a chance anyway. Regardless of what I think of his other material, it's obvious he has massive love and respect for Trek. I really hope this show goes the distance, it has such a great positive attitude.

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Was it any good?

    About on par with the new Red Dwarf
    kaid wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    One of my favourite things in DS9 is Grandpa Sisko. He runs a restaurant, but the federation doesn't use money. So he's just cooking for people out of his love of cooking and making people happy with good food. It's rad.

    I imagine it is a lot like the favor economy in parts of eclipse phase. If grandpa sisko needs some help to do stuff a lot of his patrons would probably drop what they are doing to lend him a hand. Kinda like if your own grandpa needed some help doing something it isn't for pay but you kinda feel you owe it to them to come help when they ask.

    Hence why everyone is desperate to make it offworld.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I don't want to derail, but what's the "Seth McFarlane" thing?


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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I don't want to derail, but what's the "Seth McFarlane" thing?

    Just the fact that this whole thing is pretty much his baby and I can, at best, tolerate his other shows.

    It's fine that I don't like his cartoons, plenty of other people like them and it's easy enough just to not watch them. But I never would have expected that the same guy who made almost the same show in like 5 different flavors, all of which I detest, to also make Orville, which I absolutely love.

    It's not something where I'm ripping on McFarlane (I don't like his other shows, and that's a matter of preference), I'm just glad I didn't miss Orville because I assumed it was more material from him I wouldn't like. Orville handily made me go from seeing him as somebody who makes a bunch of stuff I have no interest in to seeing him as somebody that it would be a total blast to sit down with him and talk about Orville and Star Trek.

    And no, there's also no rising or secret scandal involved with him, so I don't typically avoid his shows for ethical reasons or anything like that (which I'm guessing you were also wondering about).

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  • SorceSorce Registered User regular
    Dude's actually been on Star Trek shows, he loves the setting/material.

    This and Cosmos are the only reason I'm a fan of his.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Sorce wrote: »
    Dude's actually been on Star Trek shows, he loves the setting/material.

    This and Cosmos are the only reason I'm a fan of his.

    He wasn't just on Star Trek. He asked for the chance, was told, "Ok, you'll be paid as an extra, and we're going to make you Trip Tucker's bitch." And he said, "Great, where do I sign?"

    A lot of serious fans would have said, "Ehhh..."

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  • Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
    I don't want to derail, but what's the "Seth McFarlane" thing?

    Groupthink that his shows are bad.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Its worth noting he clearly hasnt written for any of his cartoons for years now. When he cares about something though its pretty high quality.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Is the new Cosmos on Netflix. I would like to watch the new one and then the old one.

  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Is the new Cosmos on Netflix. I would like to watch the new one and then the old one.

    It is in Canada. Maybe it is in other regions?

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    The new Cosmos is only $15.

  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    Mc zany wrote: »
    I don't want to derail, but what's the "Seth McFarlane" thing?

    Groupthink that his shows are bad.

    I don’t have to have an opinion on whether his other shows are good or bad to know that I, personally, just don’t like them.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    Mc zany wrote: »
    I don't want to derail, but what's the "Seth McFarlane" thing?

    Groupthink that his shows are bad.

    I don’t have to have an opinion on whether his other shows are good or bad to know that I, personally, just don’t like them.

    Totes. I gave up on Family guy like seven seasons ago. I still like American Dad, never watched Cleveland.

    Orville is really good.


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    I never expected this burn from captain bushmeat
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