I do think there absolutely needs to be more protection for employee use of social media in "off hours."<snip>
Maybe I'm nuts, but outside of the social media/communications team, I have zero expectation that employees will reply on their off time. I'd expect that with a large enough organization, they'd have some form of on call system for public relations.
I agree. But you're not suddenly not representing your company when talking about your work with your customers just because you're not on the clock.
You absolutely are. You're taking about work, to a customer, that is 100% representing the company because you're coming from a position of authority on the matter.
Further, twitter is a public forum. Not a quiet talk over beers in the corner.
If a thousand pairs of eyes can see what you say, you're representing something.
I do think there absolutely needs to be more protection for employee use of social media in "off hours."<snip>
Maybe I'm nuts, but outside of the social media/communications team, I have zero expectation that employees will reply on their off time. I'd expect that with a large enough organization, they'd have some form of on call system for public relations.
I agree. But you're not suddenly not representing your company when talking about your work with your customers just because you're not on the clock.
You absolutely are. You're taking about work, to a customer, that is 100% representing the company because you're coming from a position of authority on the matter.
Further, twitter is a public forum. Not a quiet talk over beers in the corner.
If a thousand pairs of eyes can see what you say, you're representing something.
Right, that's what I said. I think my statement was just confusing.
The desert borderland's Air Keep gate bypass exploit was fixed, which was great news. Now the keep is worth defending again.
Invulnerability now stopping conditions from applying damage makes a lot of sense. Yet it will also make fighting engineers that much more annoying, with that alchemy trait that automatically pops Elixir S.
The blurred frenzy nerf really stings. I know mesmers are a menace in WvW (and probably sPvP), but as someone who uses my mesmer almost exclusively for solo or small group PvE stuff, it's going to make the character significantly harder to play.
The soulbeast + beastmastery buff for rangers seems interesting.
I do think there absolutely needs to be more protection for employee use of social media in "off hours."<snip>
Maybe I'm nuts, but outside of the social media/communications team, I have zero expectation that employees will reply on their off time. I'd expect that with a large enough organization, they'd have some form of on call system for public relations.
I agree. But you're not suddenly not representing your company when talking about your work with your customers just because you're not on the clock.
You absolutely are. You're taking about work, to a customer, that is 100% representing the company because you're coming from a position of authority on the matter.
Further, twitter is a public forum. Not a quiet talk over beers in the corner.
If a thousand pairs of eyes can see what you say, you're representing something.
Right, that's what I said. I think my statement was just confusing.
Hardly. I was agreeing with more than an ineffectual click.
The soulbeast + beastmastery buff for rangers seems interesting.
Yep! I've even playing condi sb for a while, looks like both condi and power sb will be competitive now. Time to dust off her old power gear and see what happens...
the soulbeast buff is for one particular build (that I didn't use before this patch). It's not too bad now, but still miles behind in survivability and damage that other classes have. More pets were nerfed again, so Anet seems to really be pushing the Soulbeast builds for anything competitive. Deadeyes got buffed again and they are enjoying it. There were also some subtle warrior shout buffs that people are liking.
Overall, no big changes to the meta, but some tweaks to very specific builds.
What do you folks use your trade contracts on? I've got a cool 3k sitting around with no real idea what to burn them on.
Whenever I get a couple thousand, I find the priory historian and buy caches. Unidentifiable gear, exp, rare weapons, and sometimes stuff like bounty hunter gear and recipes pop out.
evidently it's a similar exploit/bug that was used by mesmers (or one of their advanced classes).
Yeah, it's a cooldown bug caused by a trait interaction, similar to the Shatter Storm bug back in April that let mesmers constantly spam their F1 ability (Mind Wrack, the power damage shatter).
But looks like they got the thief thing fixed in the build they pushed today, much to the relief of the engineer players who wanted to see the safe return of their stolen actions-per-minute crown.
I think it's crazy so many people are interacting with the (public) internet with their real names. Everyone would have agreed how stupid it would be to do that back in 1999. Can we go back to everyone having a net handle like we do on this forum?
I bet if we all used real names on here, someone would get harassed pretty often for outspoken opinions.
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I'm just reminded of the WoW CM Tseric's very public meltdown on the forums
I think it's crazy so many people are interacting with the (public) internet with their real names. Everyone would have agreed how stupid it would be to do that back in 1999. Can we go back to everyone having a net handle like we do on this forum?
I bet if we all used real names on here, someone would get harassed pretty often for outspoken opinions.
I think you'd also see a decrease in fuckwaddery if the aggressors no longer had that anonymity.
I think it's crazy so many people are interacting with the (public) internet with their real names. Everyone would have agreed how stupid it would be to do that back in 1999. Can we go back to everyone having a net handle like we do on this forum?
I bet if we all used real names on here, someone would get harassed pretty often for outspoken opinions.
I think you'd also see a decrease in fuckwaddery if the aggressors no longer had that anonymity.
Facebook kind of proves that theory wrong, lot of people use their real name to be a fuck whit there. Twitter too.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The issue is that we thought having a person’s real name would make them think twice about things. This may have been the case for a short period, but people soon learned there are rarely consequences even with their full legal name present.
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The other shoe has dropped and this is exactly what we were made at ArenaNet for potentially enabling. Or, it's not "potentially" anymore and now "just straight up what they've done."
Arena Net is not responsible for the behavior of internet shitlords.
Price and Fries were let go because of their inappropriate behavior and representation of the company. If any of these women that are being targeted now end up losing their jobs, then yes, boycott all companies involved.
And to be clear, I don't condone this wave of harrassment. In fact it frustrates the shit out of me. Hopefully these trolls are ignored, and they fuck off when they realize they can't game the system like that.
Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
Harassing people is garbage people and it's always wrong and i will die on that hill.
But it's not Arena nets fault that a bunch of shit heads jumped onto the controversy to be garbage people. It's like people who join riots just so they can break windows and steal stuff.
Harassing people is garbage people and it's always wrong and i will die on that hill.
But it's not Arena nets fault that a bunch of shit heads jumped onto the controversy to be garbage people. It's like people who join riots just so they can break windows and steal stuff.
As the saying goes, "once you pay the danesgeld, you'll never get rid of the Dane." Their caving opened the floodgates.
Harassing people is garbage people and it's always wrong and i will die on that hill.
But it's not Arena nets fault that a bunch of shit heads jumped onto the controversy to be garbage people. It's like people who join riots just so they can break windows and steal stuff.
As the saying goes, "once you pay the danesgeld, you'll never get rid of the Dane." Their caving opened the floodgates.
Yep. Them firing someone for being an ass on twitter instead of dealing with it internally due to idiots whining on reddit empowered said whiners on reddit.
Harassing people is garbage people and it's always wrong and i will die on that hill.
But it's not Arena nets fault that a bunch of shit heads jumped onto the controversy to be garbage people. It's like people who join riots just so they can break windows and steal stuff.
As the saying goes, "once you pay the danesgeld, you'll never get rid of the Dane." Their caving opened the floodgates.
Yep. Them firing someone for being an ass on twitter instead of dealing with it internally due to idiots whining on reddit empowered said whiners on reddit.
And now they're sending attacks all over - and fucking up the mail merge, as there are reports of these messages getting delivered to harass "%FEMALENAME".
Arena Net is not responsible for the behavior of internet shitlords.
Price and Fries were let go because of their inappropriate behavior and representation of the company. If any of these women that are being targeted now end up losing their jobs, then yes, boycott all companies involved.
And to be clear, I don't condone this wave of harrassment. In fact it frustrates the shit out of me. Hopefully these trolls are ignored, and they fuck off when they realize they can't game the system like that.
The problem is these hate mobs online harass devs especially female ones constantly and are getting worse and worse and more and more emboldened to be terrible. I am frankly shocked we have not seen more female devs/CM lose their shit online given the amount of shit I have seen them take eventually you just start assuming everybody is being a mysoginistic asshat and responding accordingly. The whole GW2 thing smacks of that somebody who had been dealing with so much of it that they started just reading that tone into everything everybody was saying until they snapped.
Then the way arena net handled it just handed the trolls a "win" and it just makes them that much more aggressive to the next lady dev until that person snaps and gets fired and so on and on and on.
As long as people can be anonymous there will always be assholes and bullying anyplace people can interact online. These people were assholes before this happened and they will be assholes afterwards. That online harassment happens is awful, but you can't blame Arenanet for it.
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The other shoe has dropped and this is exactly what we were made at ArenaNet for potentially enabling. Or, it's not "potentially" anymore and now "just straight up what they've done."
ArenaNet has to act in consideration of what is best for its game and its community, not the perceived impact it will have on culture war issues. Good policy needs to prevail over political expediency.
As long as people can be anonymous there will always be assholes and bullying anyplace people can interact online. These people were assholes before this happened and they will be assholes afterwards. That online harassment happens is awful, but you can't blame Arenanet for it.
You can when there's a causal chain. This wave of harassment (again, we're seeing reports of improperly merged letters being sent that clearly shows that women in the industry are being targeted) did not happen in a vacuum - it happened because the head of ArenaNet caved, and now they think they can get others to do the same.
The other shoe has dropped and this is exactly what we were made at ArenaNet for potentially enabling. Or, it's not "potentially" anymore and now "just straight up what they've done."
ArenaNet has to act in consideration of what is best for its game and its community, not the perceived impact it will have on culture war issues. Good policy needs to prevail over political expediency.
In that case, tossing your staff under the bus is a horrible decision. They are going to bleed staff now, as anyone who has other options is going to be looking long and hard at whether they want to stay at a workplace where management has clearly shown that they don't have their back.
The other shoe has dropped and this is exactly what we were made at ArenaNet for potentially enabling. Or, it's not "potentially" anymore and now "just straight up what they've done."
ArenaNet has to act in consideration of what is best for its game and its community, not the perceived impact it will have on culture war issues. Good policy needs to prevail over political expediency.
In that case, tossing your staff under the bus is a horrible decision. They are going to bleed staff now, as anyone who has other options is going to be looking long and hard at whether they want to stay at a workplace where management has clearly shown that they don't have their back.
Don't have their back when they attack the community? Sure I'm pretty sure literally no job has your back in that circumstance.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The other shoe has dropped and this is exactly what we were made at ArenaNet for potentially enabling. Or, it's not "potentially" anymore and now "just straight up what they've done."
ArenaNet has to act in consideration of what is best for its game and its community, not the perceived impact it will have on culture war issues. Good policy needs to prevail over political expediency.
In that case, tossing your staff under the bus is a horrible decision. They are going to bleed staff now, as anyone who has other options is going to be looking long and hard at whether they want to stay at a workplace where management has clearly shown that they don't have their back.
Don't have their back when they attack the community? Sure I'm pretty sure literally no job has your back in that circumstance.
Please, explain how she "attacked the community" by being abrupt with someone interjecting into a conversation about issues with game development. Your argument presupposes that employees are owned by the company 24/7.
The other shoe has dropped and this is exactly what we were made at ArenaNet for potentially enabling. Or, it's not "potentially" anymore and now "just straight up what they've done."
ArenaNet has to act in consideration of what is best for its game and its community, not the perceived impact it will have on culture war issues. Good policy needs to prevail over political expediency.
You actually do have some kind of moral obligation to consider what kind of an effect your actions will have on the greater community. Unless your idea of an ideal society is a myopic hellscape where you only act 100% in the company's interest.
Slavish dedication to customers leads to the kind of terrible experience we have in places like retail work, where customers have been taught that they can act like petulant children at employees and will be rewarded by management bending over backwards to shut them up.
Pretty sure all views on this matter have been talked to death and right now people are just repeating themselves. At this point I don't think anything can be done one way or another. I also don't think anyones views are gonna change if they haven't already.
We'll determine if the topic has been going on too long. It's still relatively recent news, but if things get out of control then you will all be told to move on.
If you'd rather get back to discussing the game proper, then...just do that. It's the absolutely the best way to get a conversation going where you want it.
By doing what Arenanet did they sent a clear signal that a targeted campaign against someone who made the mistake of doing something to rile up the gaters would work.
Their rush to appease the mob is absolutely amoral.
Especially when it was done with such a naive, at best, understanding of the motivations of that mob.
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You absolutely are. You're taking about work, to a customer, that is 100% representing the company because you're coming from a position of authority on the matter.
Further, twitter is a public forum. Not a quiet talk over beers in the corner.
If a thousand pairs of eyes can see what you say, you're representing something.
Right, that's what I said. I think my statement was just confusing.
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I suspect my ele might be shelved for raiding...
They hurt my guardian again, right in the heals. >_<
But they added a nice new attack to the Guardian's offhand focus! It actually does good damage and it's fire and forget.
The desert borderland's Air Keep gate bypass exploit was fixed, which was great news. Now the keep is worth defending again.
Invulnerability now stopping conditions from applying damage makes a lot of sense. Yet it will also make fighting engineers that much more annoying, with that alchemy trait that automatically pops Elixir S.
The blurred frenzy nerf really stings. I know mesmers are a menace in WvW (and probably sPvP), but as someone who uses my mesmer almost exclusively for solo or small group PvE stuff, it's going to make the character significantly harder to play.
The soulbeast + beastmastery buff for rangers seems interesting.
Hardly. I was agreeing with more than an ineffectual click.
Overall, no big changes to the meta, but some tweaks to very specific builds.
Still looks pretty.
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evidently it's a similar exploit/bug that was used by mesmers (or one of their advanced classes).
Yeah, it's a cooldown bug caused by a trait interaction, similar to the Shatter Storm bug back in April that let mesmers constantly spam their F1 ability (Mind Wrack, the power damage shatter).
But looks like they got the thief thing fixed in the build they pushed today, much to the relief of the engineer players who wanted to see the safe return of their stolen actions-per-minute crown.
Hit up the various heart vendors across POF for minipets, a set of armour skin recipe unlocks you'll need to craft, and other miscellany.
I bet if we all used real names on here, someone would get harassed pretty often for outspoken opinions.
"...only mights and maybes."
I think you'd also see a decrease in fuckwaddery if the aggressors no longer had that anonymity.
Facebook kind of proves that theory wrong, lot of people use their real name to be a fuck whit there. Twitter too.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Price and Fries were let go because of their inappropriate behavior and representation of the company. If any of these women that are being targeted now end up losing their jobs, then yes, boycott all companies involved.
And to be clear, I don't condone this wave of harrassment. In fact it frustrates the shit out of me. Hopefully these trolls are ignored, and they fuck off when they realize they can't game the system like that.
But it's not Arena nets fault that a bunch of shit heads jumped onto the controversy to be garbage people. It's like people who join riots just so they can break windows and steal stuff.
As the saying goes, "once you pay the danesgeld, you'll never get rid of the Dane." Their caving opened the floodgates.
Yep. Them firing someone for being an ass on twitter instead of dealing with it internally due to idiots whining on reddit empowered said whiners on reddit.
And now they're sending attacks all over - and fucking up the mail merge, as there are reports of these messages getting delivered to harass "%FEMALENAME".
The problem is these hate mobs online harass devs especially female ones constantly and are getting worse and worse and more and more emboldened to be terrible. I am frankly shocked we have not seen more female devs/CM lose their shit online given the amount of shit I have seen them take eventually you just start assuming everybody is being a mysoginistic asshat and responding accordingly. The whole GW2 thing smacks of that somebody who had been dealing with so much of it that they started just reading that tone into everything everybody was saying until they snapped.
Then the way arena net handled it just handed the trolls a "win" and it just makes them that much more aggressive to the next lady dev until that person snaps and gets fired and so on and on and on.
ArenaNet has to act in consideration of what is best for its game and its community, not the perceived impact it will have on culture war issues. Good policy needs to prevail over political expediency.
You can when there's a causal chain. This wave of harassment (again, we're seeing reports of improperly merged letters being sent that clearly shows that women in the industry are being targeted) did not happen in a vacuum - it happened because the head of ArenaNet caved, and now they think they can get others to do the same.
In that case, tossing your staff under the bus is a horrible decision. They are going to bleed staff now, as anyone who has other options is going to be looking long and hard at whether they want to stay at a workplace where management has clearly shown that they don't have their back.
Don't have their back when they attack the community? Sure I'm pretty sure literally no job has your back in that circumstance.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Please, explain how she "attacked the community" by being abrupt with someone interjecting into a conversation about issues with game development. Your argument presupposes that employees are owned by the company 24/7.
Slavish dedication to customers leads to the kind of terrible experience we have in places like retail work, where customers have been taught that they can act like petulant children at employees and will be rewarded by management bending over backwards to shut them up.
If you'd rather get back to discussing the game proper, then...just do that. It's the absolutely the best way to get a conversation going where you want it.
Their rush to appease the mob is absolutely amoral.
Especially when it was done with such a naive, at best, understanding of the motivations of that mob.
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