It's that time. Help me make my 2nd choice on those two banners. Sentimental choices bolded.
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Master BSB -great non-elem dps. Amazing with LD. Fav class in FF1. Only "current" non-elem dps is Prishe BSB.
Maria BSB (badass earth) - my earth game is weak. If only I'd gotten Bartz BSB3
Yang BSB (en-earth version of Master)- same as above except I have his imperil and like the character
Lenna BSB (reraise, 2 mnd boosts) -Have no reraise tech. Setzer BSB - In my top 5 favorite characters. Have all old stuff, no USB/BSB/LMR. Best support BSB I have is Quina or Meliadoul.
Zack BSB (imperil wind)- Have his chain. Already have imperils from legendary Zidane and Faris USB. Main wind DPS is legendary Bartz.
Tifa BSB (enearth) - earth game is weak. Have no idea how good this is. I certainly need IV relics more than VII.
Vincent BSB (dmg-reflect, +fire bracer) - Have his SSBs. Like the character. Armor upgrade for LD Terra over Edge's coat, +28MAG. While I lack +fire phys weapons and mag armor, I'm overloaded with fire SB's. Laguna BSB (lightning imperil) - Laguna would be complete until next VIII event! Top 5 favorite character. Could sub30 Bismarck if I get it.
Basch BSB (enholy, +holy spear) - have his OSB. XII is weak for me. My holy game is a complete Raines, Basch OSB, Beatrix OSB, WOL BSB, Leo SSB&BSB, Celes BSB1... sounds like a lot but there is no uber physical enholy+OSB combo there. Should probably pass on this.
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I'm leaning towards Sarah for my 2nd choice. First was Larsa's, which I haven't even bothered to master yet. Was kind of let down after I picked it as I won't use it until I need Astra, whenever that is. Hard to go wrong grabbing you first healer BSB in a realm even if deciding based on logic is not the most fun.
Healer BSB's I have: Y'shtola (LD'ed, complete), Eiko, Yuna (all but SSB1), Garnet BSB1, Aphmau, Larsa
Only other contender is Beatrix BSB. I've got her OSB. My holy imperils are on Leo and Raines. I haven't dove any knights yet. I'm swimming in IX relics and holy swords though. Have quite a few knight BSBs too. WoL, Leo, Ingus, Snow, Celes BSB1, Meliadoul. Like the Basch BSB it should help me sub 30 on holy magicite if I LD her.
Honestly don't have enough of those to properly give advice other than if your earth is weak and you seem relatively solid outside of there, prioritize getting something earth.
Fujin BSB and OSB both want an enwind more than each other. There's no real synergy.
What do you have for Relm? BSB, USB, or both?
BSB. I also semi foolishly LDd her, but I'm not filled with regret or anything.
A legend dived Y'shtola or Vanille puts out way more healing per second than Relm due to Curaga-level entry, doublecasts, and [Stoneskin/MND-boosted C2s]. Relm is an excellent source of Last Stand, but a lot of top-end content (magicite especially) is much more about a constant stream of pure AoE damage which Relm's BSB can't really keep up with. So I wouldn't use her as an argument against choosing the healer relics.
I have Vanille BSB and man, I am just not impressed. The lack of an instant C1 feels like a dealbreaker when I'm used to Larsa, Relm, Yshtola, and Sarah BSB C1. The instant entry is nice but you can generally plan out your non-instant entries so you don't get killed. Also, as stated above I'm looking at sub-30 and none of these are that relevant for those situations. I do appreciate your help, though!
Vanille scales better with her legend dive than average, I'd say. Instant cast on the entry gets you fishing for doublecast C2s faster, and the mind boost makes them stronger. A lot of Y'shtola's advantages are things that don't really scale with her legend dive (Stoneskin, wrath access, C1 doesn't need +heal/+MND boosts, proccing a doublecast the turn after the entry almost certainly does nothing).
Maybe it's just habit, but I rarely feel the lack of the C1 heal. Casting Curada over C2 because I need big single-target healing that badly is something that happens maybe once per five or ten battles. More often than not either 4k C2s prevent it from coming to that or the instant entry is available.
Also I'm kind of amazed you can push for sub-30 with Relm BSB as your main healing. Do you not have to run double healer parties?
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Wait if I have Alphinaud USB then his BSB is a no-brainer right? I want to say USB > BSB chaining is good stuff
They don't interact at all. You use the USB with highly honed summons, while the BSB is self-sufficient and actually enables low-honed summons.
To add another point to this, while Alphinaud has summon type commands, all BSB commands are considered to be at r1 for anything that references hone level. So yeah not much point chaining his USB and BSB together in my opinion.
It's actually somewhat odd, because a lot of USBs seem designed to work really well with the associated BSBs (Firion and Luneth for example), and Alphinaud's just doesn't. Even Pecil's USB works really well with his BSB2.
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I would rather instant cast a c1 than use a medica c2, even if I've just taken aoe damage. If i need to aoe heal, I'll just bubble again which c1 spamming facilitates.
I feel naked when I have to c2 medica, waiting for my cast bar to finish before heals go out.
Fujin BSB and OSB both want an enwind more than each other. There's no real synergy.
What do you have for Relm? BSB, USB, or both?
BSB. I also semi foolishly LDd her, but I'm not filled with regret or anything.
A legend dived Y'shtola or Vanille puts out way more healing per second than Relm due to Curaga-level entry, doublecasts, and [Stoneskin/MND-boosted C2s]. Relm is an excellent source of Last Stand, but a lot of top-end content (magicite especially) is much more about a constant stream of pure AoE damage which Relm's BSB can't really keep up with. So I wouldn't use her as an argument against choosing the healer relics.
I have Vanille BSB and man, I am just not impressed. The lack of an instant C1 feels like a dealbreaker when I'm used to Larsa, Relm, Yshtola, and Sarah BSB C1. The instant entry is nice but you can generally plan out your non-instant entries so you don't get killed. Also, as stated above I'm looking at sub-30 and none of these are that relevant for those situations. I do appreciate your help, though!
Vanille scales better with her legend dive than average, I'd say. Instant cast on the entry gets you fishing for doublecast C2s faster, and the mind boost makes them stronger. A lot of Y'shtola's advantages are things that don't really scale with her legend dive (Stoneskin, wrath access, C1 doesn't need +heal/+MND boosts, proccing a doublecast the turn after the entry almost certainly does nothing).
Maybe it's just habit, but I rarely feel the lack of the C1 heal. Casting Curada over C2 because I need big single-target healing that badly is something that happens maybe once per five or ten battles. More often than not either 4k C2s prevent it from coming to that or the instant entry is available.
Also I'm kind of amazed you can push for sub-30 with Relm BSB as your main healing. Do you not have to run double healer parties?
I do not. It's very rare that a sub-30 attempt would involve two healers. Usually the first few turns are fairly mild attacks so you only have about 15-20 seconds of serious damage to contend with. I usually give my healer TGM RM so she can summon wall, then proshellga, then curada a few times then BSB entry then C1. That tends to be more than enough healing, actually.
My magicite speed runs more often than not involve Aphmau USB nowadays, which kind of follows the same plan but with instant USB plus instant curada at some point.
I would rather instant cast a c1 than use a medica c2, even if I've just taken aoe damage. If i need to aoe heal, I'll just bubble again which c1 spamming facilitates.
I feel naked when I have to c2 medica, waiting for my cast bar to finish before heals go out.
In contrast I usually feel safe spamming Yuna's BSB2 cmd2
Fujin BSB and OSB both want an enwind more than each other. There's no real synergy.
What do you have for Relm? BSB, USB, or both?
BSB. I also semi foolishly LDd her, but I'm not filled with regret or anything.
A legend dived Y'shtola or Vanille puts out way more healing per second than Relm due to Curaga-level entry, doublecasts, and [Stoneskin/MND-boosted C2s]. Relm is an excellent source of Last Stand, but a lot of top-end content (magicite especially) is much more about a constant stream of pure AoE damage which Relm's BSB can't really keep up with. So I wouldn't use her as an argument against choosing the healer relics.
I have Vanille BSB and man, I am just not impressed. The lack of an instant C1 feels like a dealbreaker when I'm used to Larsa, Relm, Yshtola, and Sarah BSB C1. The instant entry is nice but you can generally plan out your non-instant entries so you don't get killed. Also, as stated above I'm looking at sub-30 and none of these are that relevant for those situations. I do appreciate your help, though!
Vanille scales better with her legend dive than average, I'd say. Instant cast on the entry gets you fishing for doublecast C2s faster, and the mind boost makes them stronger. A lot of Y'shtola's advantages are things that don't really scale with her legend dive (Stoneskin, wrath access, C1 doesn't need +heal/+MND boosts, proccing a doublecast the turn after the entry almost certainly does nothing).
Maybe it's just habit, but I rarely feel the lack of the C1 heal. Casting Curada over C2 because I need big single-target healing that badly is something that happens maybe once per five or ten battles. More often than not either 4k C2s prevent it from coming to that or the instant entry is available.
Also I'm kind of amazed you can push for sub-30 with Relm BSB as your main healing. Do you not have to run double healer parties?
I do not. It's very rare that a sub-30 attempt would involve two healers. Usually the first few turns are fairly mild attacks so you only have about 15-20 seconds of serious damage to contend with. I usually give my healer TGM RM so she can summon wall, then proshellga, then curada a few times then BSB entry then C1. That tends to be more than enough healing, actually.
My magicite speed runs more often than not involve Aphmau USB nowadays, which kind of follows the same plan but with instant USB plus instant curada at some point.
I can back this up. I use Eiko for my hydra party and I think she has even less throughput than Relm. If you're killing it fast enough it doesn't matter that you're 3 seconds from a wipe when you cross the finish line.
Two selections was too good an opportunity it to pass up for the alt account, so I broke down and gemmed it up. 2/11: Pecil OSB, Leon SSB (huh, a runic?). That's like the third holy overstrike I've pulled in two weeks, hah.
Grabbed Vincent's BSB for the first pick (I've got his USB, so what the heck). Still need to figure out choice 2, CT choice 2, and CT choice 2 on the main account. Such a wonderful dilemma to have!
Wait if I have Alphinaud USB then his BSB is a no-brainer right? I want to say USB > BSB chaining is good stuff
Like others said, nope. With his USB you want R4 Tiamat and/or the best Neo-Bahamut you can manage. Difficulty I found so far is getting him the meter to use the USB. Should be better after the ability buff.
Well drat, that's kind of a shame I just assumed they were supposed to synergize
I also have both Firion USB and Celes OSB, is it worth investing in their BSB's? In those cases I'm pretty sure both breaks are designed with their BSB commands in mind
EDIT: looking over my current relic list it seems as though I'd benefit from a few different things to fill out various units
Firion BSB (have USB)
Celes BSB (have OSB)
Vincent BSB (have USB and doublecast LM)
Gabranth BSB (nice to round out dark team)
Raines BSB (apparently this is godlike)
Firion BSB (apparently also godlike?)
Is there an Earth Imperil BSB? That would work too
Well drat, that's kind of a shame I just assumed they were supposed to synergize
I also have both Firion and Celes USB, is it worth investing in their BSB's? In those cases I'm pretty sure both ultimate breaks are designed with their BSB commands in mind
Celes BSB available is BSB1, not her BSB2, which is unfortunately not as strong (30/30 and enHoly on entry, CMD1 is 4 hit holy/fire spellblade, CMD2 is 4 hit holy/ice spellblade). Not sure what her USB is, guessing it's a "chase on spellblade" thing, so they'd work together, but it's one of those "well, why would I get this when there's that" things.
Well drat, that's kind of a shame I just assumed they were supposed to synergize
I also have both Firion and Celes USB, is it worth investing in their BSB's? In those cases I'm pretty sure both ultimate breaks are designed with their BSB commands in mind
Well drat, that's kind of a shame I just assumed they were supposed to synergize
I also have both Firion USB and Celes OSB, is it worth investing in their BSB's? In those cases I'm pretty sure both breaks are designed with their BSB commands in mind
EDIT: looking over my current relic list it seems as though I'd benefit from a few different things to fill out various units
Firion BSB (have USB)
Celes BSB (have OSB)
Vincent BSB (have USB and doublecast LM)
Gabranth BSB (nice to round out dark team)
Raines BSB (apparently this is godlike)
Firion BSB (apparently also godlike?)
Is there an Earth Imperil BSB? That would work too
Dorgann is an imperil earth BSB. Don't think he made the cut though.
Sentinel, not runic. Everything's attracted to him, his defense is through the roof, but they still do damage.
Whoops mixed up my terminology! Got it. Might be fun once in a while I guess.
Leon's SSB found one primary use for me: I have his burst, which is EnDark. Jump start with him RW cloud USB and someone else imperil dark x3 makes that SSB hit like a truck once you're enDark. It's basically an AoE OSB, and is how I cleared some 3CMs with multiple enemies.
Actual utility of the SSB itself, I've found to be kinda limited.
Celes BSB1 works for a holy party needing an additional buff, but it's kinda awkward outside of that. She can definitely pump out damage with the commands, however, as I regularly beat Saint Cross using them. Ideally I go BSB1 to BSB2, for the stronger commands and runic, but it's rare that she'll have enough meter to do so.
It's hard to find anything on the same power level as Raines BSB w/ LD. Out your list @MummBrah , I'd say that or Firion BSB. I've gotten quite a bit of use out of Gabranth and his BSB. He didn't really do anything I couldn't accomplish with an SSB imperil though. His biggest contributions are the imperil, protectga or shellga, and sometimes draw fire or curaja. The damage is nothing special.
Fujin BSB and OSB both want an enwind more than each other. There's no real synergy.
What do you have for Relm? BSB, USB, or both?
BSB. I also semi foolishly LDd her, but I'm not filled with regret or anything.
A legend dived Y'shtola or Vanille puts out way more healing per second than Relm due to Curaga-level entry, doublecasts, and [Stoneskin/MND-boosted C2s]. Relm is an excellent source of Last Stand, but a lot of top-end content (magicite especially) is much more about a constant stream of pure AoE damage which Relm's BSB can't really keep up with. So I wouldn't use her as an argument against choosing the healer relics.
I have Vanille BSB and man, I am just not impressed. The lack of an instant C1 feels like a dealbreaker when I'm used to Larsa, Relm, Yshtola, and Sarah BSB C1. The instant entry is nice but you can generally plan out your non-instant entries so you don't get killed. Also, as stated above I'm looking at sub-30 and none of these are that relevant for those situations. I do appreciate your help, though!
Vanille scales better with her legend dive than average, I'd say. Instant cast on the entry gets you fishing for doublecast C2s faster, and the mind boost makes them stronger. A lot of Y'shtola's advantages are things that don't really scale with her legend dive (Stoneskin, wrath access, C1 doesn't need +heal/+MND boosts, proccing a doublecast the turn after the entry almost certainly does nothing).
Maybe it's just habit, but I rarely feel the lack of the C1 heal. Casting Curada over C2 because I need big single-target healing that badly is something that happens maybe once per five or ten battles. More often than not either 4k C2s prevent it from coming to that or the instant entry is available.
Also I'm kind of amazed you can push for sub-30 with Relm BSB as your main healing. Do you not have to run double healer parties?
I honestly think you are over-simplifying it. The dual cast feels like it scales well with pretty much everyone you have, and every which way you want it. It all comes down to how you are comfortable healing, and how your team is built. I have an army of healer BSBs to the point where it is just laughable. I legit have lost count. I have all of them at 99 because at different times they really shine. Sarah, for example, is not one I would have rated at the top of the top until Magicites hit. Now you can dodge imperils/slow and get rid of the annoying sap. I would put it on par with Larsa in terms of usability just because dodging those attacks can make such a huge impact.
Relm solo healing fits this kind of model too. Especially for suicide sub-30 runs. You don't actually need a ton of long term survivability. Last Stand makes a huge impact especially combined with instant Curaja for near or actual full heal.
I am a huge fan currently of how they have done healer BSBs after being disappointed for so long cause I can see what they were going for and how it work. Almost any healer BSB will get you sufficient healing in most fights. That is, you normally don't need every once of Y'shtola's absurd healing per second leaving some to waste. Rather than one upping each other in that area they fill little niche's. Y'shtola is great for taking the edge off of gravity attacks. Vanille is perfect for needing to time a big ass heal exactly. Sarah dodges nasty side effect to massive magic attacks. Larsa dodges status bullshit. Eiko cranks up physical teams. I could go on, but I have belabored the point to much already I think.
I guess my point in all of this is we could get more out of understanding what kind of healing a person needs and then cater to that. For an underpowered team Y'shtola will be queen only because the superior healing per second is less wasted on weaker defenses. Someone struggling with timing of big attacks would benefit from Vanille's ability to make that not a problem at all. Status messing you up? Iris and Larsa got your back. Hopefully this also breaks us away from multipage arguments about who is the best healer that ultimately has no one answer.
Celes BSB1 works for a holy party needing an additional buff, but it's kinda awkward outside of that. She can definitely pump out damage with the commands, however, as I regularly beat Saint Cross using them. Ideally I go BSB1 to BSB2, for the stronger commands and runic, but it's rare that she'll have enough meter to do so.
Celes BSB1 commands should never beat Saint Cross unless you were damage capping the latter, which means the content wasn't that tough. The commands are a standard 2.16 vs 3.4 Saint Cross.
Her LD is aimed at giving her enough meter to BSB1 and BSB2 at the same time.
Question for my alt account; I've got Rapha's USB, would picking up her BSB be worth it? Other possibles are Cid Raines (alt has his OSB grumble grumble), Ayame (OSB), or one of the holy OSB guys I picked up recently.
Or anything I guess. Shoot, it's a spare account to mess around with, maybe I should do something crazy with the pick.
What if I have all of them?! Who do I use then?! Won't someone think of those of us who can't stop getting them for some damn reason?!
I only have 7.5! I could quit any time I wanted!
How do you get .5 healer BSB? Counting Minwu or Selphie as half? I am up to 10 without them, and I have both of those too. If I could get the Lenna's I would be happier since it would bring some much needed offense to the White Mage Death Squad. Other than that I would really like to stop getting them. 2 teams full is more than enough.
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Question for my alt account; I've got Rapha's USB, would picking up her BSB be worth it? Other possibles are Cid Raines (alt has his OSB grumble grumble), Ayame (OSB), or one of the holy OSB guys I picked up recently.
Or anything I guess. Shoot, it's a spare account to mess around with, maybe I should do something crazy with the pick.
Rapha has meter issues so she's unlikely to use both USB and BSB.
Raines BSB is top tier and should be a strong consideration regardless of what else you have for him but him having his OSB isn't really an influence.
Ayame+her OSB is good too to complete a combo or any of the holy ones if their BSBs pack an aura.
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Welp, I feel dirty.
I took THE CLAW.
I also took Waifu of May to make up for it at least.
Raines with SSB1+SSB2+BSB is an instant top Legend Dive candidate, isn't he?
What if I have all of them?! Who do I use then?! Won't someone think of those of us who can't stop getting them for some damn reason?!
I only have 7.5! I could quit any time I wanted!
How do you get .5 healer BSB? Counting Minwu or Selphie as half? I am up to 10 without them, and I have both of those too. If I could get the Lenna's I would be happier since it would bring some much needed offense to the White Mage Death Squad. Other than that I would really like to stop getting them. 2 teams full is more than enough.
Counting Mog as half for his C1 (instant curaja+high regen) and white mageish intro that's similar to other white mages like Yuna. Or you can call him a full white mage and round it up to 8. Or add Garnet's dumb BSB1 as half if you can count that as a healer BSB. So maybe arguably 8.5.
The awful part is that I have some of the best healer SSBs too. Ovelia's curaga+MBlink, Arc's insta curaga+PBlink, Yuna's curaga+overheal, Lenna's curaga+50% res... and even lesser curaga ones like Relm and Larsa. Also, Selphie's USB for good measure.
It's really hard to justify grabbing Sarah's BSB off the CT pick with all that, even though it'll likely forever mean a hole in my FF1 CM teams... like that even fucking matters though. There'll probably be 2-3 more select-a-relic picks before that pain is even felt. Think I'm locking in to Kain/Fujin for CT. Still pondering the extra gem one though. Kind of eyeing Yang since I have literally no enEarth at all. I kind of feel like maybe I should help out my FFX physical team though since they're a weird mess, Tidus's enWater would power up his OSB in general, or I also lack any imperil water at all, but not something I've felt the need for either. FFX needs more damn boostgas.
I also took Waifu of May to make up for it at least.
Raines with SSB1+SSB2+BSB is an instant top Legend Dive candidate, isn't he?
Raines with just his BSB is instant legend dive material. He craps out damage at a stupid rate. During the neutral phase in Omega he was doing instant cast 7.5kx4 hits. Double casting it was insanity. He is a bad-ass when stuff resists him, and a walking ball of death if they are weak.
What if I have all of them?! Who do I use then?! Won't someone think of those of us who can't stop getting them for some damn reason?!
I only have 7.5! I could quit any time I wanted!
How do you get .5 healer BSB? Counting Minwu or Selphie as half? I am up to 10 without them, and I have both of those too. If I could get the Lenna's I would be happier since it would bring some much needed offense to the White Mage Death Squad. Other than that I would really like to stop getting them. 2 teams full is more than enough.
Counting Mog as half for his C1 (instant curaja+high regen) and white mageish intro that's similar to other white mages like Yuna. Or you can call him a full white mage and round it up to 8. Or add Garnet's dumb BSB1 as half if you can count that as a healer BSB. So maybe arguably 8.5.
The awful part is that I have some of the best healer SSBs too. Ovelia's curaga+MBlink, Arc's insta curaga+PBlink, Yuna's curaga+overheal, Lenna's curaga+50% res... and even lesser curaga ones like Relm and Larsa. Also, Selphie's USB for good measure.
It's really hard to justify grabbing Sarah's BSB off the CT pick with all that, even though it'll likely forever mean a hole in my FF1 CM teams... like that even fucking matters though. There'll probably be 2-3 more select-a-relic picks before that pain is even felt. Think I'm locking in to Kain/Fujin for CT. Still pondering the extra gem one though. Kind of eyeing Yang since I have literally no enEarth at all. I kind of feel like maybe I should help out my FFX physical team though since they're a weird mess, Tidus's enWater would power up his OSB in general, or I also lack any imperil water at all, but not something I've felt the need for either. FFX needs more damn boostgas.
Sarah, Minwu, Rosa, Relm, Selphie, Eiko, Yuna, Larsa, Vanille, Y'shtola, Iris, and Ovelia. I am missing any kind of medica for 3 and 11 and thats it. My 7 medica is Yuffie, but it is serviceable usually. SSBs I have Selphie, Ovelia, for mBlink, Minwu instant, Lenna USB and SSB (fun for stacking res in Jump Start), Yuna overheal, Relm which I feel is tops but I put more value on this stuff. Probably more I am forgetting but I lose track after a certain point. I hate how streaky the gacha game can be overloading certain people with healing and starving others.
I had 2 available, consensus says Raines takes one slot. I'm legitimately thinking Rinoa takes the other, she's crapped out damage like nothing else on neutrals as well, and fastcast is 25% dps anyway (not as good as 35% doublecast but generates meter a little faster so that makes up a slight difference).
And then now Beatrix is easily the Knight dive and I'm done with this rotation and onto the next, which is where the real heartache comes from. (Faris vs Shelke primarily, because doing both locks me out of Yuffie.)
Haha. Oops. Managed to not master one of the fights in the old-ass Relics of Light event, because I forgot that that was back when they'd do medal requirements requiring you to field and protect from death one specific hero.
I think my favorite was the first event that introduced Locke, where the actual battle that introduced Locke had "prevent Locke from dying" as a requirement, making it nigh-on impossible to Master the fight the first time you did it.
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Honestly don't have enough of those to properly give advice other than if your earth is weak and you seem relatively solid outside of there, prioritize getting something earth.
Maybe it's just habit, but I rarely feel the lack of the C1 heal. Casting Curada over C2 because I need big single-target healing that badly is something that happens maybe once per five or ten battles. More often than not either 4k C2s prevent it from coming to that or the instant entry is available.
Also I'm kind of amazed you can push for sub-30 with Relm BSB as your main healing. Do you not have to run double healer parties?
They don't interact at all. You use the USB with highly honed summons, while the BSB is self-sufficient and actually enables low-honed summons.
To add another point to this, while Alphinaud has summon type commands, all BSB commands are considered to be at r1 for anything that references hone level. So yeah not much point chaining his USB and BSB together in my opinion.
It's actually somewhat odd, because a lot of USBs seem designed to work really well with the associated BSBs (Firion and Luneth for example), and Alphinaud's just doesn't. Even Pecil's USB works really well with his BSB2.
I feel naked when I have to c2 medica, waiting for my cast bar to finish before heals go out.
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I do not. It's very rare that a sub-30 attempt would involve two healers. Usually the first few turns are fairly mild attacks so you only have about 15-20 seconds of serious damage to contend with. I usually give my healer TGM RM so she can summon wall, then proshellga, then curada a few times then BSB entry then C1. That tends to be more than enough healing, actually.
My magicite speed runs more often than not involve Aphmau USB nowadays, which kind of follows the same plan but with instant USB plus instant curada at some point.
Now to somehow turn it into one gem pick, and two crystal tower picks.
In contrast I usually feel safe spamming Yuna's BSB2 cmd2
I can back this up. I use Eiko for my hydra party and I think she has even less throughput than Relm. If you're killing it fast enough it doesn't matter that you're 3 seconds from a wipe when you cross the finish line.
Grabbed Vincent's BSB for the first pick (I've got his USB, so what the heck). Still need to figure out choice 2, CT choice 2, and CT choice 2 on the main account. Such a wonderful dilemma to have!
Sentinel, not runic. Everything's attracted to him, his defense is through the roof, but they still do damage.
I also have both Firion USB and Celes OSB, is it worth investing in their BSB's? In those cases I'm pretty sure both breaks are designed with their BSB commands in mind
EDIT: looking over my current relic list it seems as though I'd benefit from a few different things to fill out various units
Firion BSB (have USB)
Celes BSB (have OSB)
Vincent BSB (have USB and doublecast LM)
Gabranth BSB (nice to round out dark team)
Raines BSB (apparently this is godlike)
Firion BSB (apparently also godlike?)
Is there an Earth Imperil BSB? That would work too
Celes BSB available is BSB1, not her BSB2, which is unfortunately not as strong (30/30 and enHoly on entry, CMD1 is 4 hit holy/fire spellblade, CMD2 is 4 hit holy/ice spellblade). Not sure what her USB is, guessing it's a "chase on spellblade" thing, so they'd work together, but it's one of those "well, why would I get this when there's that" things.
Firion yes IMHO, Celes definite no.
Whoops mixed up my terminology! Got it. Might be fun once in a while I guess.
Dorgann is an imperil earth BSB. Don't think he made the cut though.
Leon's SSB found one primary use for me: I have his burst, which is EnDark. Jump start with him RW cloud USB and someone else imperil dark x3 makes that SSB hit like a truck once you're enDark. It's basically an AoE OSB, and is how I cleared some 3CMs with multiple enemies.
Actual utility of the SSB itself, I've found to be kinda limited.
I honestly think you are over-simplifying it. The dual cast feels like it scales well with pretty much everyone you have, and every which way you want it. It all comes down to how you are comfortable healing, and how your team is built. I have an army of healer BSBs to the point where it is just laughable. I legit have lost count. I have all of them at 99 because at different times they really shine. Sarah, for example, is not one I would have rated at the top of the top until Magicites hit. Now you can dodge imperils/slow and get rid of the annoying sap. I would put it on par with Larsa in terms of usability just because dodging those attacks can make such a huge impact.
Relm solo healing fits this kind of model too. Especially for suicide sub-30 runs. You don't actually need a ton of long term survivability. Last Stand makes a huge impact especially combined with instant Curaja for near or actual full heal.
I am a huge fan currently of how they have done healer BSBs after being disappointed for so long cause I can see what they were going for and how it work. Almost any healer BSB will get you sufficient healing in most fights. That is, you normally don't need every once of Y'shtola's absurd healing per second leaving some to waste. Rather than one upping each other in that area they fill little niche's. Y'shtola is great for taking the edge off of gravity attacks. Vanille is perfect for needing to time a big ass heal exactly. Sarah dodges nasty side effect to massive magic attacks. Larsa dodges status bullshit. Eiko cranks up physical teams. I could go on, but I have belabored the point to much already I think.
I guess my point in all of this is we could get more out of understanding what kind of healing a person needs and then cater to that. For an underpowered team Y'shtola will be queen only because the superior healing per second is less wasted on weaker defenses. Someone struggling with timing of big attacks would benefit from Vanille's ability to make that not a problem at all. Status messing you up? Iris and Larsa got your back. Hopefully this also breaks us away from multipage arguments about who is the best healer that ultimately has no one answer.
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What if I have all of them?! Who do I use then?! Won't someone think of those of us who can't stop getting them for some damn reason?!
I only have 7.5! I could quit any time I wanted!
Celes BSB1 commands should never beat Saint Cross unless you were damage capping the latter, which means the content wasn't that tough. The commands are a standard 2.16 vs 3.4 Saint Cross.
Her LD is aimed at giving her enough meter to BSB1 and BSB2 at the same time.
Or anything I guess. Shoot, it's a spare account to mess around with, maybe I should do something crazy with the pick.
How do you get .5 healer BSB? Counting Minwu or Selphie as half? I am up to 10 without them, and I have both of those too. If I could get the Lenna's I would be happier since it would bring some much needed offense to the White Mage Death Squad. Other than that I would really like to stop getting them. 2 teams full is more than enough.
Raines BSB is top tier and should be a strong consideration regardless of what else you have for him but him having his OSB isn't really an influence.
Ayame+her OSB is good too to complete a combo or any of the holy ones if their BSBs pack an aura.
I took THE CLAW.
I also took Waifu of May to make up for it at least.
Raines with SSB1+SSB2+BSB is an instant top Legend Dive candidate, isn't he?
Exact same situation I'm in, except I've got his LMR, too. Probably going to dive him tonight.
Counting Mog as half for his C1 (instant curaja+high regen) and white mageish intro that's similar to other white mages like Yuna. Or you can call him a full white mage and round it up to 8. Or add Garnet's dumb BSB1 as half if you can count that as a healer BSB. So maybe arguably 8.5.
Mog, Aerith, Eiko, Penelo, Vanille, Y'shtola, Iris, Deuce.
The awful part is that I have some of the best healer SSBs too. Ovelia's curaga+MBlink, Arc's insta curaga+PBlink, Yuna's curaga+overheal, Lenna's curaga+50% res... and even lesser curaga ones like Relm and Larsa. Also, Selphie's USB for good measure.
It's really hard to justify grabbing Sarah's BSB off the CT pick with all that, even though it'll likely forever mean a hole in my FF1 CM teams... like that even fucking matters though. There'll probably be 2-3 more select-a-relic picks before that pain is even felt. Think I'm locking in to Kain/Fujin for CT. Still pondering the extra gem one though. Kind of eyeing Yang since I have literally no enEarth at all. I kind of feel like maybe I should help out my FFX physical team though since they're a weird mess, Tidus's enWater would power up his OSB in general, or I also lack any imperil water at all, but not something I've felt the need for either. FFX needs more damn boostgas.
(I have both SSBs, LMR, and BSB. OSB is the last I'd need for perfect husbando)
edit: aaand that might be the tipping point for the alt to pick Claw. Top contender at least.
Raines with just his BSB is instant legend dive material. He craps out damage at a stupid rate. During the neutral phase in Omega he was doing instant cast 7.5kx4 hits. Double casting it was insanity. He is a bad-ass when stuff resists him, and a walking ball of death if they are weak.
Sarah, Minwu, Rosa, Relm, Selphie, Eiko, Yuna, Larsa, Vanille, Y'shtola, Iris, and Ovelia. I am missing any kind of medica for 3 and 11 and thats it. My 7 medica is Yuffie, but it is serviceable usually. SSBs I have Selphie, Ovelia, for mBlink, Minwu instant, Lenna USB and SSB (fun for stacking res in Jump Start), Yuna overheal, Relm which I feel is tops but I put more value on this stuff. Probably more I am forgetting but I lose track after a certain point. I hate how streaky the gacha game can be overloading certain people with healing and starving others.
WAIT
HAVE YOU DONE IT YET?
Because if not, what's taking you so long?
I had 2 available, consensus says Raines takes one slot. I'm legitimately thinking Rinoa takes the other, she's crapped out damage like nothing else on neutrals as well, and fastcast is 25% dps anyway (not as good as 35% doublecast but generates meter a little faster so that makes up a slight difference).
And then now Beatrix is easily the Knight dive and I'm done with this rotation and onto the next, which is where the real heartache comes from. (Faris vs Shelke primarily, because doing both locks me out of Yuffie.)
I think my favorite was the first event that introduced Locke, where the actual battle that introduced Locke had "prevent Locke from dying" as a requirement, making it nigh-on impossible to Master the fight the first time you did it.
The other select will be...harder, especially since I randomly pulled that OK BSB from the realm lucky. Really wish Squall BSB2 was on there...