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The difference between terrorism and just a mass shooting is motive.
This is literally a thought away from being a terrorist activity.
no. there's a bunch of speculation based on the rapid fire in the recording but the police haven't released anything other than that there were multiple rifles in the hotel room
So the Oklahoma City bombing wasn't terrorism either.
You don’t have to be part of a terror group, but fear for the DC sniper certainly grew with each new attack.
In this case, there is no more fear of the perpetrator.
It's because we can at least understand terrorism.
There is no way I will ever understand someone doing this just because.
1) The definition of terrorism does not include everyone who perpetuates horrific acts of mass murder. I don't believe Columbine was Terrorism for example and this may not be either.
2) The use of the term "terrorist" by Western and specifically US media definitely has a racial connotation which is undeniably awful.
If this guy was exactly the same but called Mohammed then he'd be classified as a terrorist at this stage even if his motivation had absolutely nothing to do with extreme Salafist Islamism or whatever you want to call it. Similarly if he killed all those people while chanting the Sieg Heil he's still be a "Lone Wolf."
Terrorism is an action intending to incite terror, to control people by that fear.
Without knowing his motivations, it's impossible to say it's absolutely terrorism. It's also impossible to say it absolutely wasn't terrorism. We simply do not know yet.
Either way, the news media probably won't call it terrorism even if it is, because the guy was white. But it's certainly possible that it is terrorism, it is down to the shooter's motivations.
I think there's a substantial amount of frustration over how it currently looks like someone who killed 58 people and wounded over 500 isn't being treated like a substantial civil threat in hindsight because he's white. He's getting the usual lone white guy writeups in papers now. Useful definitions of terrorism aside, that's pretty fucked up and that's what people are reacting to from what I can tell.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
That and this country won't ever do anything about it unless it's terrorism apparently.
What I DONT want is the ultimate determination of whether or not something is terrorism to be the color of the suspects skin. Which is exactly what seems to be happening whenever you compare the reaction of a shooting done by a non-white person vs a white person
I live in the area and I certainly felt terrified during the whole ordeal. I also recall media focusing attention on white vans and box trucks when in actuality, the snipers were in a blue Caprice.
Law and Order ≠ Justice
It sounds like you have a different definition of terrorism than the generally accepted definition.
More that we're really unhappy with this country's fucked-up inconsistent (consistently, predictably so) narratives on terrorism ("only if they're brown and/or the wrong religion") and gun violence.
Pretty sure life's been defined by terrorism for the past 16 years. Pretty sure everyone knows what it is. As we have no idea what the impetus for this attack was ruling out home grown terrorism already seems foolish. We've had confirmation that he likely isn't connected to any international terrorism syndicates, but this very well could be some kind of terror attack from another source. The truth of the matter is that we don't know that yet.
The dc sniper was faking a serial killer so that he could murder his wife scott free according to the prosecutors (this was disallowed in court). And promptly lost his shit in jail and the story only gets weirder with him drawing pictures of himself with Mohammed and Allah and Neo and Morpheus in the same picture.
Wast really terrorism, but is about the scariest situation you can imagine.
It’s possible to believe that and still accept that this is not terrorism. So where do you stand given what you know now, is this or is this not terrorism?
This could be terrorism.
The use of violence to entice people to a certain ideology/status quo through fear and intimidation, especially through martyrdom, is a core tenet.
Mass shooting in a crowd at a public gathering, intending to keep people from having public gatherings for fear of being in a mass shooting.
That's pervading terror that has been incited. If that was the intent, terrorism. Claiming you are or aren't a terrorist has no bearing.
Either way, we still don't know his motive. It can still be either.
even if he *is* psychopathic, psychopathic doesn't mean stupid. Psychopaths still have a drive of self-preservation, and even a moron would deduce that opening fire into a crowd is a sure fire way of getting yourself gunned down by the local tackleberrys.
The fact that he did well in life suggests the opposite.
It's sickening and horrible and I honestly want to cry. What went wrong?
I honestly don't know, but based on what we know now, I've not seen anything that says it couldn't be, or that it's a 'reach'
That' it's too early to know either way and we should all maybe refrain from conjecture and bickering about it.
I don't think he's stupid, but if this guy was indeed psychopathic that could be helpful in piecing together what set him off.
Terrorism has a political goal. Dylan Roof, for example, was a terrorist. Did this guy have a goal? Maybe we'll find out at some point.
And considering so many people are now chanting "We can't go anywhere anymore without getting shot!" (Despite the statistical probability of this being very low), it sounds like if that was his intent (IF, I again strongly emphasize) then mission accomplished.
If that was not his intent, then he's just a mass murdering fuckwad.
Either way, it's not a "reach" to link this to terrorism.
Was this terrorism? Depends on whether he had a political motive. If not it's "just" a horrific mass murder.
People don’t actually believe that. They say that to influence government policy on guns and virtue signal their opposition to the current state of gun control.
It's his father they're talking about. I misread this at first.... it's the shooter's father.
He very well may just have decided that there were people that needed killin, and some facet of his life that went to shit he found reflected in the concert.
We don't know. We don't have a toxicology report, we don't know anything about his views or political leanings, we quite literally don't know anything about this guy except he clashes with what he typically view as a person who does these things in regards to social status.
Bombs are also more complicated and dangerous to the perpetrator. Bomb making materials are largely illegal and traced so an amateur bomb maker has a high chance of hurting himself before they get deploy it on their target(s).
Guns are used for mass killings because they ARE very effective thanks to convenience and ease of use. To suggest that there are "more effective ways" is utterly pointless. Just because they aren't the most effective tool for a mass killing doesn't change the fact they are still highly effective.
This line of discussion has already been nixed, per the mods.
Pls read the op.
You're going to want to be *very* careful going down this road.
Bullshit I guarantee my mother is legitimately afraid of shit like this.