This conversation made me think about Achlyophage specifically (for those who may be unfamiliar, it was a helm that granted a 4th Golden Gun shot). In Y1 it was arguably the best Gunslinger exotic - Spines of Ahamkara were okay for PvP and made tripmines decent, but most people just used them like sticky grenades back then. At some point (Y2?), Bungie nerfed Achlyophage - it still granted the 4th GG shot, but it also reduced the amount of time you had while in super. This was an unpopular nerf, and many people stopped using the exotic altogether at this point. I believe this nerf was released in a patch around when Celestial Nighthawk was released, so PvE Gunslingers already had a superior alternative, but the reduced time in super really killed the exotic for PvP. In a weird twist, Bungie doubled down on the dumb for D2 and tainted an entire subclass branch (Way of the Outlaw) with that horrible 6-shot GG perk that gives you even less time in super to fire twice as many shots. It's so bad that many players refuse to unlock that node!
/rant
Yeah I definitely wish I could go back and not unlock that node.
I've actually been considering re-starting my hunter for this. May have to buy some PopTarts on the way home from work tomorrow. Anyone know what the turn-around time is on submitting codes at this point?
The war rig is a good idea unless you're on away team and then you can kinda use whatever because you're always gonna be low on ammo.
Warlock reload puddle is iffy because you have to step in/out of it and you can't do that on the platforms really?
Has anyone tested if jumping straight up while in the rift works to trigger the free reload from Transversive Steps?
The reload puddle boots are Lunafaction. Transversive reloads your energy weapon after sprinting for ~3 steps.
Right, thats what I meant, Lunafaction. Still, anyone test if jumping triggers that reload?
It does, you dont even have to land on the ground inside the Rift itself, if you just float through it, your guns will still instantly reload to full.
So high do you have to get to trigger the reload? Can you just bunny hop?
I'm thinking that could be of some use during Calus. Just tap jump to instantly reload.
Keep in mind the rally shield from Titans is an option as well. Probably takes some practice to make sure people don't bump one another but definitely doable. I think Datto even used it when calculating his max dps tests on Calus.
The war rig is a good idea unless you're on away team and then you can kinda use whatever because you're always gonna be low on ammo.
Warlock reload puddle is iffy because you have to step in/out of it and you can't do that on the platforms really?
Has anyone tested if jumping straight up while in the rift works to trigger the free reload from Transversive Steps?
The reload puddle boots are Lunafaction. Transversive reloads your energy weapon after sprinting for ~3 steps.
Right, thats what I meant, Lunafaction. Still, anyone test if jumping triggers that reload?
It does, you dont even have to land on the ground inside the Rift itself, if you just float through it, your guns will still instantly reload to full.
So high do you have to get to trigger the reload? Can you just bunny hop?
I'm thinking that could be of some use during Calus. Just tap jump to instantly reload.
Keep in mind the rally shield from Titans is an option as well. Probably takes some practice to make sure people don't bump one another but definitely doable. I think Datto even used it when calculating his max dps tests on Calus.
Sadly rally shield does not work as well for Hunters because of our stupid class ability. =( I swear I murdered somebody on Calus last night by accidentally jumping backwards into his rocket when I just meant to use the rally reload.
Edit: I suppose in this context jumping to reload in a Warlock puddle would have the same outcome. :rotate:
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I can't restart mine, she was my first guardian. Would feel wrong.
Let's see... 959 kills in pvp to date on my hunter. 31 from supers. Wouldn't make much of a difference if I did. :pop:
also 2/3rds of my kills are scout rifle. Nameless Midnight/(Pleiades Corrector / MAnanananananananananananananana) Forever!
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
Yeah, the (dramatically) reduced super time for that perk takes it from "Oh shit, that's really cool and should be great in PVP" to "OH SHIT OH FUCK I HAVE TO KEEP PULLING THE TRIGGER AS FAST AS POSSIBLE OR MY TIME IS GOING TO RUN OU--"
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People are only realizing this now? Man. I remember when I was relearning jump on right bumper, I would accidentally super on adds during gauntlet, and have to force myself to stop killing so that I could get on pillar and shoot in a timely manner. Otherwise that super keeps on going....
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
I actually figured this out the other day. It gives you back enough super for another slam even when you're low. I thought it was neat but I was only able to keep super up for another 3 slams or so.
The war rig is a good idea unless you're on away team and then you can kinda use whatever because you're always gonna be low on ammo.
Warlock reload puddle is iffy because you have to step in/out of it and you can't do that on the platforms really?
Has anyone tested if jumping straight up while in the rift works to trigger the free reload from Transversive Steps?
The reload puddle boots are Lunafaction. Transversive reloads your energy weapon after sprinting for ~3 steps.
Right, thats what I meant, Lunafaction. Still, anyone test if jumping triggers that reload?
It does, you dont even have to land on the ground inside the Rift itself, if you just float through it, your guns will still instantly reload to full.
So high do you have to get to trigger the reload? Can you just bunny hop?
I'm thinking that could be of some use during Calus. Just tap jump to instantly reload.
Keep in mind the rally shield from Titans is an option as well. Probably takes some practice to make sure people don't bump one another but definitely doable. I think Datto even used it when calculating his max dps tests on Calus.
Sadly rally shield does not work as well for Hunters because of our stupid class ability. =( I swear I murdered somebody on Calus last night by accidentally jumping backwards into his rocket when I just meant to use the rally reload.
Edit: I suppose in this context jumping to reload in a Warlock puddle would have the same outcome. :rotate:
I mean you only have to duck once and then just ADS and let off ADS to trigger the reload. Rinse and repeat. You'd have to be jamming the duck button pretty hard to dodge out of the way.
TL;DR -
Iron banana starts the 10th, goes through the 17th.
Prestige mode raid opens at 10 AM PST on the 10th.
Something something Bungie at Twitchcon in ~ 2 weeks
The war rig is a good idea unless you're on away team and then you can kinda use whatever because you're always gonna be low on ammo.
Warlock reload puddle is iffy because you have to step in/out of it and you can't do that on the platforms really?
Has anyone tested if jumping straight up while in the rift works to trigger the free reload from Transversive Steps?
The reload puddle boots are Lunafaction. Transversive reloads your energy weapon after sprinting for ~3 steps.
Right, thats what I meant, Lunafaction. Still, anyone test if jumping triggers that reload?
It does, you dont even have to land on the ground inside the Rift itself, if you just float through it, your guns will still instantly reload to full.
So high do you have to get to trigger the reload? Can you just bunny hop?
I'm thinking that could be of some use during Calus. Just tap jump to instantly reload.
Keep in mind the rally shield from Titans is an option as well. Probably takes some practice to make sure people don't bump one another but definitely doable. I think Datto even used it when calculating his max dps tests on Calus.
Sadly rally shield does not work as well for Hunters because of our stupid class ability. =( I swear I murdered somebody on Calus last night by accidentally jumping backwards into his rocket when I just meant to use the rally reload.
Edit: I suppose in this context jumping to reload in a Warlock puddle would have the same outcome. :rotate:
I mean you only have to duck once and then just ADS and let off ADS to trigger the reload. Rinse and repeat. You'd have to be jamming the duck button pretty hard to dodge out of the way.
Standing at barrier > crouch twice in quick succession to get ammo but continue aiming at the same spot.
The problem is that "crouch twice in quick succession" when it comes to Hunters. x.x
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The war rig is a good idea unless you're on away team and then you can kinda use whatever because you're always gonna be low on ammo.
Warlock reload puddle is iffy because you have to step in/out of it and you can't do that on the platforms really?
Has anyone tested if jumping straight up while in the rift works to trigger the free reload from Transversive Steps?
The reload puddle boots are Lunafaction. Transversive reloads your energy weapon after sprinting for ~3 steps.
Right, thats what I meant, Lunafaction. Still, anyone test if jumping triggers that reload?
It does, you dont even have to land on the ground inside the Rift itself, if you just float through it, your guns will still instantly reload to full.
So high do you have to get to trigger the reload? Can you just bunny hop?
I'm thinking that could be of some use during Calus. Just tap jump to instantly reload.
Keep in mind the rally shield from Titans is an option as well. Probably takes some practice to make sure people don't bump one another but definitely doable. I think Datto even used it when calculating his max dps tests on Calus.
Sadly rally shield does not work as well for Hunters because of our stupid class ability. =( I swear I murdered somebody on Calus last night by accidentally jumping backwards into his rocket when I just meant to use the rally reload.
Edit: I suppose in this context jumping to reload in a Warlock puddle would have the same outcome. :rotate:
I mean you only have to duck once and then just ADS and let off ADS to trigger the reload. Rinse and repeat. You'd have to be jamming the duck button pretty hard to dodge out of the way.
Standing at barrier > crouch twice in quick succession to get ammo but continue aiming at the same spot.
The problem is that "crouch twice in quick succession" when it comes to Hunters. x.x
Right, I just meant you could activate it the originally intended way to avoid that, which would probably still be preferable to dodging into somebody or trying to strafe/jump in and out of a Warlock puddle.
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Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
edited October 2017
Looks like the new Iron Banner sets are inspired by japanese samurai stuff.
I hope that warlock IB set is high resilience, it doesnt look terribly great, still would be a better looking High Resilience set than the rest of the hobo options we have currently.
I just want my Heavy Machineguns back, best heavy weapon by a mile.
Grenade Launchers are a sad substitute.
Hit detection on bouncy grenades are shit, they even seemingly worsened hit detection on Rocket Launchers, the amount of times I've shot a rocket directly through enemies (so it didnt explode) in Destiny 2 is not insignificant, even with huge bosses it happens.
I'm cautiously hopeful that they're waiting to bring back HMGs as a 'new' power weapon type in a DLC pack.
It’s sad that the biggest content unlocks I am hopeful for in D2 are just them giving us back what we had in D1.
This conversation made me think about Achlyophage specifically (for those who may be unfamiliar, it was a helm that granted a 4th Golden Gun shot). In Y1 it was arguably the best Gunslinger exotic - Spines of Ahamkara were okay for PvP and made tripmines decent, but most people just used them like sticky grenades back then. At some point (Y2?), Bungie nerfed Achlyophage - it still granted the 4th GG shot, but it also reduced the amount of time you had while in super. This was an unpopular nerf, and many people stopped using the exotic altogether at this point. I believe this nerf was released in a patch around when Celestial Nighthawk was released, so PvE Gunslingers already had a superior alternative, but the reduced time in super really killed the exotic for PvP. In a weird twist, Bungie doubled down on the dumb for D2 and tainted an entire subclass branch (Way of the Outlaw) with that horrible 6-shot GG perk that gives you even less time in super to fire twice as many shots. It's so bad that many players refuse to unlock that node!
/rant
Yeah I definitely wish I could go back and not unlock that node.
I've actually been considering re-starting my hunter for this. May have to buy some PopTarts on the way home from work tomorrow. Anyone know what the turn-around time is on submitting codes at this point?
Wouldn't you also lose deadshot if you did that? I like chains of woe, and I think the exploding knife is better, but for me those two nodes don't beat the entire other tree.
Bonus time on kills is my favorite one. Jumping through hoops is better than easter egg hunt.
I wish there were a non-timer-based option in the rotation but I guess that would just lead to people hiding and plinking things to death every time.
can someone explain to me why having some people choose to hide and plink things to death is so onerous that the rest of us have to suffer with tedious mechanics?
Because it's WAY more tedious than what you have now.
Some Nightfalls used to take 2+ hours because they were so infuriatingly risky that no one would stick their head out of cover for more than one or two shots at a time. Lots of boss fights literally came down to waiting for heavy ammo synths to cool down and slowly plinking bosses for 45 minutes with Icebreaker.
The only time a nightfall took that long was if you were doing it solo. With a team it so wasn't that long. U lesson it was like, trickle, juggler, Exposure, because those just never get done so the completion time is technically infinite.
I mean, it took maybe 45 minutes to solo the arc burn sepiks Prime nightfall back in year 1 at 28 and that was my high water mark for a challenging strike.
The basic strategies about which you speak are correct, but the timeframes weren't that bad.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
TL;DR -
Iron banana starts the 10th, goes through the 17th.
Prestige mode raid opens at 10 AM PST on the 10th.
Something something Bungie at Twitchcon in ~ 2 weeks
Iron Banner has changed. Into... just default PVP with nothing different? Hey they made the same dumb fucking mistake as D1 at launch. Also, they need to reference Rise of Iron in some ways or this will be real dumb.
Also the video of the week was dog shit. The guy can't even distinguish between "your" and "you're". They already had "I can make your hands clap" in that space, I'm rather concerned if that's the best on offer.
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It does, you dont even have to land on the ground inside the Rift itself, if you just float through it, your guns will still instantly reload to full.
So high do you have to get to trigger the reload? Can you just bunny hop?
I'm thinking that could be of some use during Calus. Just tap jump to instantly reload.
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I've actually been considering re-starting my hunter for this. May have to buy some PopTarts on the way home from work tomorrow. Anyone know what the turn-around time is on submitting codes at this point?
Keep in mind the rally shield from Titans is an option as well. Probably takes some practice to make sure people don't bump one another but definitely doable. I think Datto even used it when calculating his max dps tests on Calus.
Sadly rally shield does not work as well for Hunters because of our stupid class ability. =( I swear I murdered somebody on Calus last night by accidentally jumping backwards into his rocket when I just meant to use the rally reload.
Edit: I suppose in this context jumping to reload in a Warlock puddle would have the same outcome. :rotate:
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Let's see... 959 kills in pvp to date on my hunter. 31 from supers. Wouldn't make much of a difference if I did. :pop:
also 2/3rds of my kills are scout rifle. Nameless Midnight/(Pleiades Corrector / MAnanananananananananananananana) Forever!
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Edit: You have to jump pretty high for it to trigger the reload, like max height, so seems a little useless.
And rumors say he's still there, slamming to this day...
Whats one more death to a Guardian?
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I mean you only have to duck once and then just ADS and let off ADS to trigger the reload. Rinse and repeat. You'd have to be jamming the duck button pretty hard to dodge out of the way.
TL;DR -
Iron banana starts the 10th, goes through the 17th.
Prestige mode raid opens at 10 AM PST on the 10th.
Something something Bungie at Twitchcon in ~ 2 weeks
What look like new new armor sets though.
Standing at barrier > crouch twice in quick succession to get ammo but continue aiming at the same spot.
The problem is that "crouch twice in quick succession" when it comes to Hunters. x.x
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Right, I just meant you could activate it the originally intended way to avoid that, which would probably still be preferable to dodging into somebody or trying to strafe/jump in and out of a Warlock puddle.
I hope that warlock IB set is high resilience, it doesnt look terribly great, still would be a better looking High Resilience set than the rest of the hobo options we have currently.
It’s sad that the biggest content unlocks I am hopeful for in D2 are just them giving us back what we had in D1.
Wouldn't you also lose deadshot if you did that? I like chains of woe, and I think the exploding knife is better, but for me those two nodes don't beat the entire other tree.
Gif of all 3 sets if you're too lazy to go to Bungo's site,
It's real big.
Technically or effectively?
Technically, yes as hats only dropped in Hard VoG. Effectively, all classes had exotic hats so max level was hit well before hard mode raid released.
I seem to recall it being that way in TDB as well but I am fuzzy on that.
I mean, it took maybe 45 minutes to solo the arc burn sepiks Prime nightfall back in year 1 at 28 and that was my high water mark for a challenging strike.
The basic strategies about which you speak are correct, but the timeframes weren't that bad.
No raid for me tonight I guess.
Can't tell you how happy I am that it's control, even though I like supremacy quite a bit
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Iron Banner has changed. Into... just default PVP with nothing different? Hey they made the same dumb fucking mistake as D1 at launch. Also, they need to reference Rise of Iron in some ways or this will be real dumb.
Also the video of the week was dog shit. The guy can't even distinguish between "your" and "you're". They already had "I can make your hands clap" in that space, I'm rather concerned if that's the best on offer.
Above that it says:
Ha, my brain just processed that as meaningless flavor text.