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[Star Wars]: The Last Jedi - A completely uncontroversial film. TAG SPOILERS

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Hobnail wrote: »
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    This hurts but I deserve it

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    the x-wing books hold up fairly well, imo

    Some of them do.

    Others have an upside down super star destroyer secretly built and buried on Coruscant and used as a top secret upside down prison there.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    the x-wing books hold up fairly well, imo

    The Allston ones do, anyway.

    Stackpole's are shiiiiiiiiit

    I'll definitely have to read the Allston ones

    I just tried to read the first Stackpole book a year ago and it was traaassshhh

    the allston ones are super, super great. they really make you care about these characters that you never heard of before

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    So as these two droids just merrily chat away to each other I realize something. BB9E has sound.

    With these Sphero droids, the BB9E and BB8 are not large enough to have a speaker inside so all the sound comes out of the phone. However my phone is across the room and off. The sound is actually coming out of the R2-D2 for both him and BB9 and it is in sync to the movement and light flashes of BB9.

    This is a cool update.

    Aw, I thought it's name was actually BB-H8.

    It's BB-9E?

    Missed opportunity.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Like my flip comment that the pendant thing that is mentioned out of nowhere might have something to do with the Han Solo movie does not indicate that I frantically masturbate to Wookiepedia. The desire to have the character set up as the villain in the last movie
    not be yet another rug pull in a movie full of them
    does not indicate that I've been dreaming up my own dream scenarios about him. Maybe I just don't like this movie because the things that don't bother you about it bother me.

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    This hurts but I deserve it

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  • SirEtchwartsSirEtchwarts KABOOM Splooooosh...Registered User regular
    So as these two droids just merrily chat away to each other I realize something. BB9E has sound.

    With these Sphero droids, the BB9E and BB8 are not large enough to have a speaker inside so all the sound comes out of the phone. However my phone is across the room and off. The sound is actually coming out of the R2-D2 for both him and BB9 and it is in sync to the movement and light flashes of BB9.

    This is a cool update.

    Aw, I thought it's name was actually BB-H8.

    It's BB-9E?

    Missed opportunity.

    To be fair, the e definitely stands for evil

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Dimosar wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Klendy wrote: »
    Klendy wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    I just realised those dice are a hook to get me to go and see Han Solo and now I want to vomit
    Eeeeh I think that's a bit of a stretch

    hard disagree. i'm with Tube

    its not

    edit:
    unless we're just straight up calling him a liar at this point, RJ went over why he included the dice in the WGA Q&A and it has 0 to do with the Han Solo movie.

    RJ's reasoning and Disney execs tinkering with how long shots are held are not always the same.

    We've already gone over plenty of valid reasons to have issues with the film without projecting this kind of thing onto it. It's completely baseless cynicism.

    Yeah, there's some tinfoil hat shit going on regarding this movie.

    Like... sometimes people make movies. Even when they work for Disney, sometimes people just fuckin make movies and there's stuff in them.

    Not everything in TFA was a question or a mystery box. No, not that thing... nope, not that one, either. Nah, still not there.

    Nope.

    Most of those questions and mysteries? Guess where they came from.

    Your fucking imagination.

    Welcome to Star Wars, where people used to like to use their imaginations.

    so, so many of these feelings of 'betrayal' from the film, or 'plot holes' that aren't actually plot holes come from this obsession with canonicity that just baffles me. Everything has to be demarcated and explained carefully, because apparently this is something we are all owed now? Not just is it not a Star Wars thing (although it is EXTREMELY an EU/Prequels thing which explains a lot tbh) it's actively bad for storytelling. These things aren't just mysteries, they are pointless information. Stuff that literally only matters if you're a wookiepedia editor who needs certain things to be True.
    To me it seems like people felt betrayed by this movie because the EU has got it into our heads that every single detail in these stories has a detailed backstory, and it's also, always important.

    THIS has to be a canonical reference to the upcoming han solo film, this snoke guy HAS to be extremely critical to the story, because I ran ahead and imagined the next two movies having lots of stuff about him. Ben's turn to the dark side HAS to have a deeper explanation other than his clear personality flaws. Rey's parents have to be a mystery to be solved and wondered about, even though Maz already said they were gone and unimportant, it HAS to be something I can solve and tabulate so I can file it away in the great repository of Star Wars information. No storytelling decision happens for emotional reasons that rely on character actions/thematic reasons, it all has to have a relevance to the canon that I can read a book about later, and also complain about.

    It really feels like all of this thinking is built around wanting to know everything and feel nothing. It is the quintessential Cinemasins philosophy. So when a movie like this comes along and it expressly only cares about character and nothing about """"Canon"""" I guess people get mad.

    And there are criticisms to be made about the way this movie wants you to Feel (I loved it but some people have other reads of its message or execution, criticisms I think we can all enjoy talking about), but we are still so stuck in the swamp of shit like "the hyperspace maneuver is unrealistic!! why aren't they always using it!!" when it's like, unrealistic in reference to what? Why WOULDN'T it make sense in the story? You assumed things were true about star wars that obviously aren't. Stop trying to solve the movie and just watch it unfold.

    I think storytellers should do their best to make things coherent and set up proper expectations but all of these 'sins' have the same issue in common- they were written for a story and not an encyclopedia.

    in other words,
    the greatest mystery box JJ ever made was one that never existed

    I'm not certain that was ever his intention but if it was, I kind of love it

    That is giving Abrahms entirely too much undeserved credit

  • Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    Platy
  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    I also don't like Colossal, or anything with Clive Owen or Thandie Newton in it. In fact, Jason Sudeikis has probably crossed what scientists call The Owen-Newton Line at this point.

    Oh, I don't like Drive either.

    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • crwthcrwth THAT'S IT Registered User regular
    mods please change my name to furiously masturbating to wookieepedia

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  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    I also don't like Colossal, or anything with Clive Owen or Thandie Newton in it. In fact, Jason Sudeikis has probably crossed what scientists call The Owen-Newton Line at this point.

    Oh, I don't like Drive either.

    You don't like the cinematic masterpiece The Chronicles of Riddick?!

    Unforgivable! There is a line, sir, and you have crossed it.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    crwth wrote: »
    mods please change my name to furiously masturbating to wookieepedia

    it's too long so I submitted it as a ticket to Vanilla

    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    I also don't like Colossal, or anything with Clive Owen or Thandie Newton in it. In fact, Jason Sudeikis has probably crossed what scientists call The Owen-Newton Line at this point.

    Oh, I don't like Drive either.

    You don't like the cinematic masterpiece The Chronicles of Riddick?!

    Unforgivable! There is a line, sir, and you have crossed it.

    I haven't seen it because I had already made up my mind about Thandie Newton.

    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • Tube wrote: »
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    I also don't like Colossal, or anything with Clive Owen or Thandie Newton in it. In fact, Jason Sudeikis has probably crossed what scientists call The Owen-Newton Line at this point.

    Oh, I don't like Drive either.

    This is all very illuminating and the police are en route, do not resist them

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    crwth wrote: »
    mods please change my name to furiously masturbating to wookieepedia

    You mean your name doesn't stand for Cranking it Restlessly to Wookiepedia, Truly Horny?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    crwth wrote: »
    mods please change my name to furiously masturbating to wookieepedia

    You mean your name doesn't stand for Cranking it Restlessly to Wookiepedia, Truly Horny?

    Oh shi-

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  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    I also don't like Colossal, or anything with Clive Owen or Thandie Newton in it. In fact, Jason Sudeikis has probably crossed what scientists call The Owen-Newton Line at this point.

    Oh, I don't like Drive either.

    Oh yeah well I don't like your face

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2017
    I'm still okay with Jason Sudeikis but I never want to see Rob Corddry in a thing ever again

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Boy I'm really enjoying all these posts about why I must be a dumb nerd idiot for not liking this movie.

    Allow me to profile your psychology utilizing what movies you don't like as data points

    I also don't like Colossal, or anything with Clive Owen or Thandie Newton in it. In fact, Jason Sudeikis has probably crossed what scientists call The Owen-Newton Line at this point.

    Oh, I don't like Drive either.

    Oh yeah well I don't like your face

    What, you didn't dig Atonement?

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    the biggest problem with hot tub time machine 2 is that its central premise is "we need to keep rob corddry alive" because god knows everyone wants to spend more time watching rob corddry be awful at everyone he comes across

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Like my flip comment that the pendant thing that is mentioned out of nowhere might have something to do with the Han Solo movie does not indicate that I frantically masturbate to Wookiepedia. The desire to have the character set up as the villain in the last movie
    not be yet another rug pull in a movie full of them
    does not indicate that I've been dreaming up my own dream scenarios about him. Maybe I just don't like this movie because the things that don't bother you about it bother me.

    I... don't think the movie has any rug pulls, though?

    I mean, it might run counter to our expectations in some situations. But... those are our expectations, and I don't really think a lot of these mysteries and questions are that, and I don't think they were meant to set expectations of character outcome.

    I had a few of my ideas confirmed and was pleasantly surprised by quite a few things.

    And, uh... just to set the record straight: I wasn't calling you a wookiepedia turbonerd or some shit.

    I just do think a lot of people's idea that TFA was packed full of mystery boxes and questions and shit are... fucking objectively wrong. It ain't Prometheus, it's fuckin Star Wars.

    The audience should definitely have their imagination sparked, but just because the movie doesn't fall in line with those imaginings doesn't mean... uhhhh... anything, really. Well, actually, it means the creators used their imaginations and not ours.

    And that, uh... that's... that's how movies work.

    Ain't nobody gotta like it. But it reflects fuckall on the quality of the work.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    JJ Abrams has given a TED talk about how his mystery boxes work. TFA absolutely has JJ's mystery boxes in them.

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    I have seen this film again. It is good.

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  • DimosarDimosar I am the Brain Genius Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    Yeah I mean all I'm trying to say here is that a setup is only a setup...it carries no inherent destiny or detail. If you think this movie was not respectful enough to people who tied their investment to a certain SORT of payoff, I don't know if that's necessarily the movie's fault.

    And regarding the intentions of JJ and Rian Johnson: we don't have to speculate because we know this was the plan since day one. Rian and JJ agreed on this story at least as early as during the shooting of TFA. Pretty much every choice that goes into making a movie is intentional, especially big important developments in the plot.

    I was trying to diagnose this dedication to canonicity regarding the movie, sorry to send the wrong message across. If you have a negative reaction to a film, there's a reason for that and I'm sure it's valid.

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    I'm gonna go full disclosure, here: I literally never wondered on the answers to all the questions. I've watched TFA, like.... eight times, and I've never once worried about, like... any of the mysteries.

    They just weren't there, to me.

    Like, I wanted to know 'gee, what happens next!?' But I didn't need any explanations for the rest.

    I think people have some cringey hangups about genre film.

    And just like the movie itself, people can go ahead and dislike that statement.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    i think tube's probably thinking more along the lines of
    leia's faux death, all of canto bight, finn's suicide psyche etc

    than the stuff that arcs over from TFA. i don't have an issue with it but i see how some would - plotting to me should always be subservient to character and themes, but i am also pictured in the dictionary under 'pretentious'

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    crwth wrote: »
    mods please change my name to furiously masturbating to wookieepedia

    You mean your name doesn't stand for Cranking it Restlessly to Wookiepedia, Truly Horny?

    I saw this and was certain it was a @Theodore Floosevelt post

    Well done, Primus.

    Pretty disappointed, Mitch.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Like my flip comment that the pendant thing that is mentioned out of nowhere might have something to do with the Han Solo movie does not indicate that I frantically masturbate to Wookiepedia. The desire to have the character set up as the villain in the last movie
    not be yet another rug pull in a movie full of them
    does not indicate that I've been dreaming up my own dream scenarios about him. Maybe I just don't like this movie because the things that don't bother you about it bother me.

    I... don't think the movie has any rug pulls, though?

    I mean, it might run counter to our expectations in some situations. But... those are our expectations, and I don't really think a lot of these mysteries and questions are that, and I don't think they were meant to set expectations of character outcome.

    I had a few of my ideas confirmed and was pleasantly surprised by quite a few things.

    And, uh... just to set the record straight: I wasn't calling you a wookiepedia turbonerd or some shit.

    I just do think a lot of people's idea that TFA was packed full of mystery boxes and questions and shit are... fucking objectively wrong. It ain't Prometheus, it's fuckin Star Wars.

    The audience should definitely have their imagination sparked, but just because the movie doesn't fall in line with those imaginings doesn't mean... uhhhh... anything, really. Well, actually, it means the creators used their imaginations and not ours.

    And that, uh... that's... that's how movies work.

    Ain't nobody gotta like it. But it reflects fuckall on the quality of the work.

    I think that
    the bridge getting blown up, leia getting jettisoned into space, and her force pulling herself back in was

    100% a rug pull.

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  • GreasyKidsStuffGreasyKidsStuff MOMMM! ROAST BEEF WANTS TO KISS GIRLS ON THE TITTIES!Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Oh huh

    I can see embedded Arthur Chu tweets even though he blocked me

    That's...actually a bit troubling, come to think of it. GKS, can you react to the tweet, either by liking or retweeting?

    I cannot!

  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Like my flip comment that the pendant thing that is mentioned out of nowhere might have something to do with the Han Solo movie does not indicate that I frantically masturbate to Wookiepedia. The desire to have the character set up as the villain in the last movie
    not be yet another rug pull in a movie full of them
    does not indicate that I've been dreaming up my own dream scenarios about him. Maybe I just don't like this movie because the things that don't bother you about it bother me.

    I... don't think the movie has any rug pulls, though?

    I mean, it might run counter to our expectations in some situations. But... those are our expectations, and I don't really think a lot of these mysteries and questions are that, and I don't think they were meant to set expectations of character outcome.

    I had a few of my ideas confirmed and was pleasantly surprised by quite a few things.

    And, uh... just to set the record straight: I wasn't calling you a wookiepedia turbonerd or some shit.

    I just do think a lot of people's idea that TFA was packed full of mystery boxes and questions and shit are... fucking objectively wrong. It ain't Prometheus, it's fuckin Star Wars.

    The audience should definitely have their imagination sparked, but just because the movie doesn't fall in line with those imaginings doesn't mean... uhhhh... anything, really. Well, actually, it means the creators used their imaginations and not ours.

    And that, uh... that's... that's how movies work.

    Ain't nobody gotta like it. But it reflects fuckall on the quality of the work.

    I think that
    the bridge getting blown up, leia getting jettisoned into space, and her force pulling herself back in was

    100% a rug pull.

    No.

    That's
    an action sequence in a fantasy story.

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  • NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    I think I realized after the 20th person said
    Canto bight was a waste of time

    That some people just don't care about the same stuff in a movie as I do and that's gonna mess up everything for them. For the longest time it was hard for me to grasp how someone could feel any part of this movie was keeping them from the Real Movie and the Real Plot that they were expecting. But I guess it's what you're invested in. You can't argue a dude into liking a thing.


    And that's fine.


    Back when I was a young, I Just expected everyone to hate the shit I loved.We as a nerds we should get back to that.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Oh huh

    I can see embedded Arthur Chu tweets even though he blocked me

    That's...actually a bit troubling, come to think of it. GKS, can you react to the tweet, either by liking or retweeting?

    I cannot!

    Well that's something at least. I wonder if it's an issue on Vanilla's or Twitter's side.

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Colossal is so good

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Oh huh

    I can see embedded Arthur Chu tweets even though he blocked me

    That's...actually a bit troubling, come to think of it. GKS, can you react to the tweet, either by liking or retweeting?

    I cannot!

    Well that's something at least. I wonder if it's an issue on Vanilla's or Twitter's side.

    is it really an issue, though? he could view them anyway just by, like, logging out of twitter.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    I'm seeing TLJ for a third time tomorrow night

    I am still so stoked

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    So as these two droids just merrily chat away to each other I realize something. BB9E has sound.

    With these Sphero droids, the BB9E and BB8 are not large enough to have a speaker inside so all the sound comes out of the phone. However my phone is across the room and off. The sound is actually coming out of the R2-D2 for both him and BB9 and it is in sync to the movement and light flashes of BB9.

    This is a cool update.

    Aw, I thought it's name was actually BB-H8.

    It's BB-9E?

    Missed opportunity.

    It's a propaganda droid, it's telling all of the First Order subjects to be benign.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    Hey, I know the thread is closing soon, but

    SilverWind and I have been talking an idea of doing a community playthrough again. Of a Star Wars game. Specifically of KotOR2, since it's still our favorite Star Wars game and the (relatively) recent Steam patch makes it work well on modern PCs and gives it controller support and everything.

    Would people be interested in it? Maybe in January or February? We'd be setting up a relaxed schedule, like with the FF12 playthrough, and would probably need to have a specific order to the planets, but it feels like a good time to talk about Star Wars, and we were talking about how TLJ sort of gets some of its DNA from The Sith Lords, so...

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  • SirEtchwartsSirEtchwarts KABOOM Splooooosh...Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Hey, I know the thread is closing soon, but

    SilverWind and I have been talking an idea of doing a community playthrough again. Of a Star Wars game. Specifically, of KotOR2, since it's still our favorite Star Wars game and the (relatively) recent Steam patch makes it work well on modern PCs and gives it controller support and everything.

    Would people be interested in it? Maybe in January or February? We'd be setting up a relaxed schedule, like with the FF12 playthrough, and would probably need to have a specific order to the planets, but it feels like a good time to talk about Star Wars, and we were talking about how TLJ sort of gets some of its DNA from The Sith Lords, so...

    Holy shit, yes

    I was just thinking I needed to finally get that under my belt!

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Why would you do such a thing? Such kindnesses will mean nothing, our path is set. Giving us what we have not earned is like pouring sand in our hands.

  • GreasyKidsStuffGreasyKidsStuff MOMMM! ROAST BEEF WANTS TO KISS GIRLS ON THE TITTIES!Registered User regular
    Ugghhhhhhhh I'm going to listen to the last minute of TLJ's "Finale" for two years the same way I did TFA's... hovering on the edge of misty eyes and longing for the next part of the story.

    Interesting note on both that I guess I'll spoiler:
    both films end on these mournful arrangements of Rey's theme, but whereas TFA blends it with Luke's theme/the Force theme, TLJ is just Rey's. Both also end with very quiet bells (maybe piano in the first case?) playing short little quotes of Luke and Rey's respective themes. They're both really melancholy and tug at my heart strings a lot!

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