The loyalty choice is interesting because the Drifter isn't as wrong as you might think just from a really simple, base impression of the guy. Especially with the way the story is going in September, he might be right on the money about a LOT of things. However, he's also one of those characters that would be like "you never should have trusted me, brother!" as he leaves you to die somewhere, and the Vanguard would never. So there's plusses and minuses to either choice.
Also, drifter calls you “Snitch” for a while if you don’t side with him
Oh, that might be a deal breaker
I love that he calls me "brother"
He's not consistent in what he says at all. My main character is a Vanguard ally, my other two sided with him (one of them still hasn't bothered to finish the quest though, lol). I played a ton of Gambit last season and didn't really notice any difference from character to character.
Drifter's shady but at least he's not writing me notes saying the only reason I've been saving the City is because I want power and how he's frustrated that he can't walk down to someone at shoot them with a shotgun like Aunor does. They walk it back a bit with her as it seems she knew the Nine's Emissary when they were still a Guardian and she thinks that maybe Drifter could help a little in bringing them back and there's the lore entry from The Warlock Aunor:
The Salt Mines as well as the one on Temptation's Hook where she captures rogue Guardians instead of killing them but even then it kinda bugs me a little.
"You're interrupting important work," he (Shin Malphur) said.
"Stole the words right out of my mouth," she replied. "These Ghosts are coming with us. No more killing. Your reputation won't protect you."
"Your jurisdiction ends in the City," came the reply. "These two are my problem to solve."
Aunor glowered. "They're third-degree offenders. Consorting with the Darkness on a material level only, collecting and concealing illegal artifacts. We'll rehabilitate and reeducate them if we need to."
Sola's Ghost hangs motionless in the air beside her dead charge. A breeze rustles char from the patches of blackened grass around them. Her iris flicks next to the two Praxic watchdogs: the Warlock who pulled the trigger and the Titan partner who shakes a recent death from his bones.
Aunor turns to her colleague. "Should we have her resurrected and ask again?"
The Titan wipes blood from his chest plate as his Ghost patches his armor. A fresh bullet hole sits above his heart. "No, I think she made herself clear the first time."
Sola's Ghost pipes up, "Who says I would?"
"You have nothing to fear, Little Light. Your Guardian is… touched. We are here to help."
"You mean you're here to put us down."
"Not presently. Give us the coordinates of your heading. Then, you will be escorted to the City in peace."
"You know. If you didn't, you wouldn't be here."
"We've tracked the gravitational disturbances, yes. The Warmind had revealed the anomaly was moving through the outer system. But you know that, and you know how to find it."
The Ghost mimics a "spit" noise. "Run back to your quiet Traveler. I won't be ordered around anymore!"
Aunor's body deflates as she holsters her weapon. "Bahaghari…" she says. A Ghost appears at Aunor's side. "Prepare our tools. This one appears touched as well."
I have a feeling we’ll be facing off against Malphur or Aunor in the new chapter.
Maybe both?!
I would be excited to face off against a human size enemy with similar powers (mirror match) but sincerely doubt it will ever happen.
I really thought that's what was going to happen with
Uldren
What we got was so much lamer
They would have to create bots, like from Perfect Dark, but good. Our powers are one hit kills, can they just do that to us? How could you counter that in a gameplay fashion? It's an interesting problem to think about.
The more I think about that Shin stuff the grumpier I am about it
It's so out of nowhere that it feels like it exists as a "gotcha" at anyone who chose the Vanguard over the Drifter, maybe thinking that they were going to be siding with Shin against the Dredgen
And it also recontextualizes one of the first great bits of Destiny Lore in a worse way, just to have a cheap twist! The original Last Word/Thorn saga was, at the time, one of the things I could point to and go "look, this is cool! It's a little rote, but this is the kind of thing Destiny could be about!" and it sort of feels like they've ruined it
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One thing I like about Shin, is that it’s implied (in either Last Word or Thorn) he’s the baby that was brought back to life in one of the Ghost story entries
One thing I like about Shin, is that it’s implied (in either Last Word or Thorn) he’s the baby that was brought back to life in one of the Ghost story entries
That's not implied, it's a fact and the reason he's a Guardian at all.
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I said implied, because I don’t think it’s specifically stated anywhere.
side note we did the dungeon last night and it's the best of all their dungeons so far! super fucking cool, the mechanical stuff they have going is great, top tier content
side note we did the dungeon last night and it's the best of all their dungeons so far! super fucking cool, the mechanical stuff they have going is great, top tier content
This may be unpopular, but, imo, they should focus on dungeons, not raids.
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Having just upgraded my rig so I can get back in, I agree. Raids take way too much time and effort to set up for when you can do similar things on a smaller scale with possible matchmaking and still have a great game with fun and varied mechanics.
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
it's implied in the same way that many things in the game are tbh, which I really like
there's nowhere that outright states it, and I fucking love that
I don't mean to harsh on anyone about this, let me elaborate
So the basic story format of The Last Word vs Thorn originally goes like this:
-A good guy Guardian (Rezyl Azzir) fights evil and protects people with a gun called Rose. Eventually, he looks too deeply into the abyss or whatever metaphor you'd like and goes very dark. His power source changes and his gun becomes Thorn (or a different aspect of his same powers begins to express itself, the language is more poetic than precise here). He now goes by Dredgen Yor.
-A different good guy Guardian (Jaren Ward) protects people with a gun he calls The Last Word. One of these people is a younger teen or child named Shin Malphur.
-Jaren comes into conflict with Dredgen. Shin is left behind as the two Guardians have a fateful duel. At the end of that fight, Jaren is permanently dead, but his Ghost is not. The surviving Ghost delivers The Last Word to Shin.
-Shin tracks down Dredgen and kills him, possibly with the first use of the Hunter super power, Golden Gun, ever. This being the first time could no longer be the case at this point with massive amounts of new lore since then.
Cool story, but there's actually a bunch of holes in it.
- How was Jaren killed if his Ghost wasn't? Why didn't the Ghost revive him?
- Was Shin a Guardian? If he already was a Guardian, where was his Ghost? Did Jaren's Ghost bringing him TLW MAKE him a Guardian? If the latter... how does that work? That's not how people become Guardians...
So they added more lore later on.
Shin was a baby who died during the travels. A Ghost that hadn't found a Guardian yet decided to try to raise him back to life and it worked. This is the first raising we've heard of to a person who died very recently, this happens again WAY later to Uldren Sov. That Ghost then dies protecting the group from a Fallen attack. So that explains why Shin is a Guardian, but opens up a new question. Ghosts are attuned to a specific Guardian's Light, how did Jaren's Ghost become Shin's Ghost? I don't know if this is a completely unique circumstance or what, and it still doesn't explain why Jaren's Ghost didn't revive him. Could Thorn kill Guardians so hard they couldn't be revived, even with a functional Ghost?
it's implied in the same way that many things in the game are tbh, which I really like
there's nowhere that outright states it, and I fucking love that
I don't mean to harsh on anyone about this, let me elaborate
So the basic story format of The Last Word vs Thorn originally goes like this:
-A good guy Guardian (Rezyl Azzir) fights evil and protects people with a gun called Rose. Eventually, he looks too deeply into the abyss or whatever metaphor you'd like and goes very dark. His power source changes and his gun becomes Thorn (or a different aspect of his same powers begins to express itself, the language is more poetic than precise here). He now goes by Dredgen Yor.
-A different good guy Guardian (Jaren Ward) protects people with a gun he calls The Last Word. One of these people is a younger teen or child named Shin Malphur.
-Jaren comes into conflict with Dredgen. Shin is left behind as the two Guardians have a fateful duel. At the end of that fight, Jaren is permanently dead, but his Ghost is not. The surviving Ghost delivers The Last Word to Shin.
-Shin tracks down Dredgen and kills him, possibly with the first use of the Hunter super power, Golden Gun, ever. This being the first time could no longer be the case at this point with massive amounts of new lore since then.
Cool story, but there's actually a bunch of holes in it.
-How was Jaren killed if his Ghost wasn't? Why didn't the Ghost revive him?
- Was Shin a Guardian? If he already was a Guardian, where was his Ghost? Did Jaren's Ghost bringing him TLW MAKE him a Guardian? If the latter... how does that work? That's not how people become Guardians...
So they added more lore later on.
Shin was a baby who died during the travels. A Ghost that hadn't found a Guardian yet decided to try to raise him back to life and it worked. This is the first raising we've heard of to a person who died very recently, this happens again WAY later to Uldren Sov. That Ghost then dies protecting the group from a Fallen attack. So that explains why Shin is a Guardian, but opens up a new question. Ghosts are attuned to a specific Guardian's Light, how did Jaren's Ghost become Shin's Ghost? I don't know if this is a completely unique circumstance or what, and it still doesn't explain why Jaren's Ghost didn't revive him. Could Thorn kill Guardians so hard they couldn't be revived, even with a functional Ghost?
Basically yes, it could.
I'm pretty sure the weapons of sorrow can all devour light, so a death at their hands so to speak is a final death for guardian. The titan Yor kills in the Crucible, there's no mention of his ghost being killed, just that Thorn kills him. Same with Jaren actually, in the D1 lore Malphur only hears one shot from Thorn before the gunfight ends, then in the D2 lore it says that Thorn's sickness consumed Jaren.
Crota's sword is another example of a Hive weapon that could sever a guardian's connection to the light as I recall. Pretty sure the Hive have a ton of ways to kill guardians without also killing ghosts, they just also kill the ghosts most of the time when they can because of course they do.
About Shin's ghost. I believe he gets guardian'd up as a child during some fallen attack on a caravan or some shit. It resurrects baby Shin and then dies trying to protect everybody from more fallen attacks? I'm pretty hazy on this stuff, I honestly don't even know if it's D1 lore or D2 but I do know it's not cool space wild west duelist shit so I never bothered to commit it to memory properly.
However assuming that is when he gets touched by light (the ins and outs of how a resurrected space magic zombie baby grows into an adult is best not thought about too closely I find) I guess it explains why both Ward and Yor take an interest in him when they rock up into that town that Yor burns down?
I suspect his origin is largely a way to make him "special".
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for that reason alone I sided with the Vanguard
Oh, that might be a deal breaker
I love that he calls me "brother"
He's not consistent in what he says at all. My main character is a Vanguard ally, my other two sided with him (one of them still hasn't bothered to finish the quest though, lol). I played a ton of Gambit last season and didn't really notice any difference from character to character.
The Salt Mines as well as the one on Temptation's Hook where she captures rogue Guardians instead of killing them but even then it kinda bugs me a little.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
So I sided with the Vanguard last night and just saw this post
"It can't be that bad," I thought to myself as I read it and sought out the Thorn lorebook
But uh
You weren't kidding, huh
Maybe both?!
I would be excited to face off against a human size enemy with similar powers (mirror match) but sincerely doubt it will ever happen.
I really thought that's what was going to happen with
What we got was so much lamer
They would have to create bots, like from Perfect Dark, but good. Our powers are one hit kills, can they just do that to us? How could you counter that in a gameplay fashion? It's an interesting problem to think about.
My dude has had some hard, probably slightly exaggerated times.
And it also recontextualizes one of the first great bits of Destiny Lore in a worse way, just to have a cheap twist! The original Last Word/Thorn saga was, at the time, one of the things I could point to and go "look, this is cool! It's a little rote, but this is the kind of thing Destiny could be about!" and it sort of feels like they've ruined it
That's not implied, it's a fact and the reason he's a Guardian at all.
If I’m wrong, sure. Cool.
Still a thing I like about him.
there's nowhere that outright states it, and I fucking love that
That's always been my one problem with Destiny, I end up playing it as a solo game, which means I've never gotten to see the raids or anything
This may be unpopular, but, imo, they should focus on dungeons, not raids.
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I don't mean to harsh on anyone about this, let me elaborate
-A good guy Guardian (Rezyl Azzir) fights evil and protects people with a gun called Rose. Eventually, he looks too deeply into the abyss or whatever metaphor you'd like and goes very dark. His power source changes and his gun becomes Thorn (or a different aspect of his same powers begins to express itself, the language is more poetic than precise here). He now goes by Dredgen Yor.
-A different good guy Guardian (Jaren Ward) protects people with a gun he calls The Last Word. One of these people is a younger teen or child named Shin Malphur.
-Jaren comes into conflict with Dredgen. Shin is left behind as the two Guardians have a fateful duel. At the end of that fight, Jaren is permanently dead, but his Ghost is not. The surviving Ghost delivers The Last Word to Shin.
-Shin tracks down Dredgen and kills him, possibly with the first use of the Hunter super power, Golden Gun, ever. This being the first time could no longer be the case at this point with massive amounts of new lore since then.
Cool story, but there's actually a bunch of holes in it.
- How was Jaren killed if his Ghost wasn't? Why didn't the Ghost revive him?
- Was Shin a Guardian? If he already was a Guardian, where was his Ghost? Did Jaren's Ghost bringing him TLW MAKE him a Guardian? If the latter... how does that work? That's not how people become Guardians...
So they added more lore later on.
Shin was a baby who died during the travels. A Ghost that hadn't found a Guardian yet decided to try to raise him back to life and it worked. This is the first raising we've heard of to a person who died very recently, this happens again WAY later to Uldren Sov. That Ghost then dies protecting the group from a Fallen attack. So that explains why Shin is a Guardian, but opens up a new question. Ghosts are attuned to a specific Guardian's Light, how did Jaren's Ghost become Shin's Ghost? I don't know if this is a completely unique circumstance or what, and it still doesn't explain why Jaren's Ghost didn't revive him. Could Thorn kill Guardians so hard they couldn't be revived, even with a functional Ghost?
I'm pretty sure the weapons of sorrow can all devour light, so a death at their hands so to speak is a final death for guardian. The titan Yor kills in the Crucible, there's no mention of his ghost being killed, just that Thorn kills him. Same with Jaren actually, in the D1 lore Malphur only hears one shot from Thorn before the gunfight ends, then in the D2 lore it says that Thorn's sickness consumed Jaren.
Crota's sword is another example of a Hive weapon that could sever a guardian's connection to the light as I recall. Pretty sure the Hive have a ton of ways to kill guardians without also killing ghosts, they just also kill the ghosts most of the time when they can because of course they do.
About Shin's ghost. I believe he gets guardian'd up as a child during some fallen attack on a caravan or some shit. It resurrects baby Shin and then dies trying to protect everybody from more fallen attacks? I'm pretty hazy on this stuff, I honestly don't even know if it's D1 lore or D2 but I do know it's not cool space wild west duelist shit so I never bothered to commit it to memory properly.
However assuming that is when he gets touched by light (the ins and outs of how a resurrected space magic zombie baby grows into an adult is best not thought about too closely I find) I guess it explains why both Ward and Yor take an interest in him when they rock up into that town that Yor burns down?
I suspect his origin is largely a way to make him "special".
I have nothing but free time, for the foreseeable future. Let’s schedule a thing
One thing I really like about this season is the Drifters voice like for the umbral decoding machine.
They must have recorded dozens of lines, I’ve rarely heard the same twice.
“It’s like a cryptarch, without the judgement.”
“If you’re hearing this message, the machine is working. If you’re not, it’s not.”
Actually finally doing the Shadowkeep stuff!