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I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
I think you maybe missed a line there. He starts fumbling and apologizing right after he said "...until I found out you were all women", which he immediately realizes sounds awful, wasn't what he meant, and is trying to correct himself to a literal childhood hero.
but I was decidedly unimpressed with him and I don't think I found many of his jokes funny.
Dislike is indeed a strong word, but I wasn't impressed or in love with Korg either. From the second he opened his mouth I knew about what all his lines were going to be. And they were good lines, great lines even. But nothing unexpected and a couple times* I was thinking: "Ok, get on with it. I got it, next scene please."
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Korg's intro scene and during his "Foundation is strong" scene at the end of the film.
Overall, I really liked the movie. I definitely want to rewatch it on home release. To pay more attention to the actors' performances if nothing else.
I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
I think you maybe missed a line there. He starts fumbling and apologizing right after he said "...until I found out you were all women", which he immediately realizes sounds awful, wasn't what he meant, and is trying to correct himself to a literal childhood hero.
Loved the movie. But I kind of agree. To make the movie the comedy it is they had to have quite a drastic change in Thor's behaviour. Instead of Stoic, Brash and Steadfast, he's become somewhat bumbling and awkward. Those things may have always been there and the other qualities still remain but it seems like they've changed the ratio around a fair bit for this one.
Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
Non-spoiler example as it's in the trailers. The "friend from work" line is great and hilarious - but if I had no prior knowledge of the movie and you asked me which Avenger said that? Thor would have been my second last guess, next to The Hulk.
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Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
I think that's true - but it's also why I actually *enjoyed* Ragnarok, whereas I'd say that the two earlier movies (apart from some individual scenes) are at the bottom of my MCU list. If Ragnarok hadn't already looked like a very different beast from the trailers, I would've just skipped this one until it turned up on TV.
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From the second he opened his mouth I knew about what all his lines were going to be.
This seems unlikely, unless "I bet he's says something kind of funny" counts as "knowing about what all his lines are going to be".
Partially. And I wasn't saying that I could've pinned them down to possible wording. I expected the character's lines to always be played for comedy (with maybe one subversion, probably with a knowing 4th wall wink from another character feeding Korg a line.) The lines would be comedic either being slightly passive voice or nurturing, to further play up his voice/appearance mismatch.
... which, now that I type that out and follow my own logic, just sounds pedantic and not really contributing or pushing any good discussion. I was trying to sound like I was intelligent film critic but came off as being snooty instead. Apologies.
Edit: Making the argument that character built to deliver comedic beats is written to deliver good comedic beats and is thus bad is just reductive and absurd.
Goofy Thor is best Thor and totally fits with prior depictions.
Thor has always been funny in all of the movies and as he has become who he was meant to be his brashness and bombast have only increased. These are good things.
This was easily my favorite Marvel to date. Maybe not the best from a big F Film perspective, but I liked it the most. The production design was amazeballs on so many levels, and there was only a moment or two at the end that weren't just perfectly brisk and fun. This is how you do Cosmic and how you do color.
To contrast. Spider-Man is comedic because of his weakness. He uses humor as a lightening tool on the fact that he is a kid fighting super villains.
Thor is comedic because of his strength. He is top dog schoolyard bully who decided to only bully other bullies. And that is more or less what he does when he fights.
To contrast. Spider-Man is comedic because of his weakness. He uses humor as a lightening tool on the fact that he is a kid fighting super villains.
Thor is comedic because of his strength. He is top dog schoolyard bully who decided to only bully other bullies. And that is more or less what he does when he fights.
Edit: wrong draft!.
I know thats the excuse they give about Spidermans quips, but he always came off as an asshole when he did that, mostly because a lot of the villains he fights are way worse off than he is. It got to the point where it felt more like Bugs Bunny tormenting Elmer Fudd.
This was easily my favorite Marvel to date. Maybe not the best from a big F Film perspective, but I liked it the most. The production design was amazeballs on so many levels, and there was only a moment or two at the end that weren't just perfectly brisk and fun. This is how you do Cosmic and how you do color.
Completely agreed. I realize it probably wasn't the best film overall if you want to deconstruct its various parts...but man I enjoyed every minute of it.
Spiderman Homecoming was pretty great as well. Felt nice after GOTG2 and Dr. Strange both falling flat (for me).
I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
I think you maybe missed a line there. He starts fumbling and apologizing right after he said "...until I found out you were all women", which he immediately realizes sounds awful, wasn't what he meant, and is trying to correct himself to a literal childhood hero.
Loved the movie. But I kind of agree. To make the movie the comedy it is they had to have quite a drastic change in Thor's behaviour. Instead of Stoic, Brash and Steadfast, he's become somewhat bumbling and awkward. Those things may have always been there and the other qualities still remain but it seems like they've changed the ratio around a fair bit for this one.
Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
Non-spoiler example as it's in the trailers. The "friend from work" line is great and hilarious - but if I had no prior knowledge of the movie and you asked me which Avenger said that? Thor would have been my second last guess, next to The Hulk.
I strongly disagree. His character does change but he doesn't become bumbling. In fact in this movie he's at his most competent. He runs circles around every other character in this movie and the physical comedy exists in places that never actually matter.
Thor and physics have never been the best of friends. I remember in the avenger movie:
Iron Man: gets sucker punched, accidentally powers him up with lightning
Captain America: Lays himself out with a vibranium rebound
Hulk: gets sucker punched by the Dumbest Avenger
So he already was a bit clumsy
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Thor and physics have never been the best of friends. I remember in the avenger movie:
Iron Man: gets sucker punched, accidentally powers him up with lightning
Captain America: Lays himself out with a vibranium rebound
Hulk: gets sucker punched by the Dumbest Avenger
So he already was a bit clumsy
Yeah. I do think that Thor as a person has changed a lot but the throughline of his character has always been that he's an untouchable warrior with a heart of gold and because of all that he naturally gravitates towards physical comedy.
Hell arguably the most memorable part of Thor 1 is his repeated car accidents.
Thor and physics have never been the best of friends. I remember in the avenger movie:
Iron Man: gets sucker punched, accidentally powers him up with lightning
Captain America: Lays himself out with a vibranium rebound
Hulk: gets sucker punched by the Dumbest Avenger
So he already was a bit clumsy
Yeah. I do think that Thor as a person has changed a lot but the throughline of his character has always been that he's an untouchable warrior with a heart of gold and because of all that he naturally gravitates towards physical comedy.
Hell arguably the most memorable part of Thor 1 is his repeated car accidents.
Thor and physics have never been the best of friends. I remember in the avenger movie:
Iron Man: gets sucker punched, accidentally powers him up with lightning
Captain America: Lays himself out with a vibranium rebound
Hulk: gets sucker punched by the Dumbest Avenger
So he already was a bit clumsy
Yeah. I do think that Thor as a person has changed a lot but the throughline of his character has always been that he's an untouchable warrior with a heart of gold and because of all that he naturally gravitates towards physical comedy.
Hell arguably the most memorable part of Thor 1 is his repeated car accidents.
I'm still trying to decide whether I liked this movie or not. There was a lot of stuff that I liked, but it just felt overstuffed. There were a ton of bits of it that seemed like great ideas, but there was just too much, and it ended up never really able to just breath and savor the moment. Like I thought Planet Jeff Goldblum had tons of cool designs and I would've loved for the movie to dwell there and actually take time to enjoy all that stuff, but every scene rushes through and pays no attention to all the cool stuff there.
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I thought it was kind of weird that the valkyrie never got a name (besides scrapper 143 or whatever). She's credited as Valkyrie but that was her occupation, no?
Eh, in the comics Thor is now the title and hammer and not blondie man, so whatever. Plus I think she's the last Valkyrie, so it kind of works.
Thor, while a title now, remains his name. Valkyrie is a rank, I don't think every Valkyrie in the MCU was simply called "Valkyrie" - it'd have been a nightmare to tell them apart.
Eh, in the comics Thor is now the title and hammer and not blondie man, so whatever. Plus I think she's the last Valkyrie, so it kind of works.
Thor, while a title now, remains his name. Valkyrie is a rank, I don't think every Valkyrie in the MCU was simply called "Valkyrie" - it'd have been a nightmare to tell them apart.
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Eh, in the comics Thor is now the title and hammer and not blondie man, so whatever. Plus I think she's the last Valkyrie, so it kind of works.
Thor, while a title now, remains his name. Valkyrie is a rank, I don't think every Valkyrie in the MCU was simply called "Valkyrie" - it'd have been a nightmare to tell them apart.
Pretty easy to tell them apart now though. Anyway they'll probably use Thor not knowing her name as a gag, with either Hulk or Loki making fun of Thor about it.
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I think Thor in this movie was probably at his most powerful so far
He thrashes Surtur, he holds his own against the Hulk and then is beating him when he uses his Thunder powers until the control disc takes him out, he fights Hela one on one and survives where everyone else gets trashed, he kicks the fuck out of everyone else he fights... like this was definitely a movie full of Thor being a badass moments
I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
A major part of Thor’s humour is that he is now from 2017 America.
I think Thor in this movie was probably at his most powerful so far
He thrashes Surtur, he holds his own against the Hulk and then is beating him when he uses his Thunder powers until the control disc takes him out, he fights Hela one on one and survives where everyone else gets trashed, he kicks the fuck out of everyone else he fights... like this was definitely a movie full of Thor being a badass moments
The whole movie was literally a long power-up sequence for him and inheriting his full Lightning powers from his Dad, so... yeah?
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Did Odin have lightning powers? Thought he was more about just light?
Valkyrie is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Roy Thomas and John Buscema, based on the Norse mythological figure Brynhildr. The character first appeared in The Avengers #83 (December 1970) and has become a mainstay of the superhero team known as the Defenders.
An Asgardian by birth, Valkyrie, also known by her real name, Brunnhilde, was selected by Odin to lead the Valkyrior. Among her other aliases are Barbara Norris, Samantha Parrington, Sian Bowen, and Annabelle Riggs who were all host bodies to the spirit of Brunnhilde. Samantha Parrington, a previous host of Brunnhilde, later received Valkyrie's powers and became a member of the Defenders herself. A one-time love interest of her ally Thor, her Riggs alias is openly bisexual.
Valkyrie made her cinematic debut in the Marvel Cinematic Universe film, Thor: Ragnarok, where she was played by actress Tessa Thompson.
A cursory google search of "Valkyrior" is that it's a Marvel thing.
So they took the name of a profession (or however you want to look at it) for a character, and then made up a new organizational name for them to be a part of. Which is dumb, but not the dumbest thing to come out of comics from the 70's.
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They could have at least got Steve Winwood to remake Valerie to be Valkyrie for the movie but nooooooo....
I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
I think you maybe missed a line there. He starts fumbling and apologizing right after he said "...until I found out you were all women", which he immediately realizes sounds awful, wasn't what he meant, and is trying to correct himself to a literal childhood hero.
Loved the movie. But I kind of agree. To make the movie the comedy it is they had to have quite a drastic change in Thor's behaviour. Instead of Stoic, Brash and Steadfast, he's become somewhat bumbling and awkward. Those things may have always been there and the other qualities still remain but it seems like they've changed the ratio around a fair bit for this one.
Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
Non-spoiler example as it's in the trailers. The "friend from work" line is great and hilarious - but if I had no prior knowledge of the movie and you asked me which Avenger said that? Thor would have been my second last guess, next to The Hulk.
I strongly disagree. His character does change but he doesn't become bumbling. In fact in this movie he's at his most competent. He runs circles around every other character in this movie and the physical comedy exists in places that never actually matter.
Oh yeah, I mean, he's definitely competent. He outwitted Loki, he outGoded the Goddess of Death.
He also beamed himself in the face with a big ball thing while trying to give a heroic speech. It's actually precisely because it's in scenes that don't matter which make them stand out so much in contrast to Thor's competence when he is throwing down against others. It's like, why have them them? because funny. And it was funny, very funny. But it does to me, feel out of place. I'm okay with that, but there is a contrast between I suppose what I'll call "the two Thors" that tag into the scene when the need arises that is noticeable, especially in the context of the previous films setting up his character with a minor tilt towards physical & awkward humour rather than an emphasis on it.
I would also argue that the other scenes in previous movies like powering up Iron Man's armor with lightning, and rebounding off Captain America's shield were less about being clumsy, and more about being Big Damn Action moments which also lent credibility to the other heroes fighting presence against the God of Thunder. Those moments were not played for laughs and were cinematic action sequences - "Oh shit" moments.
Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
I think that's true - but it's also why I actually *enjoyed* Ragnarok, whereas I'd say that the two earlier movies (apart from some individual scenes) are at the bottom of my MCU list. If Ragnarok hadn't already looked like a very different beast from the trailers, I would've just skipped this one until it turned up on TV.
Agreed. The first two Thor movies are actually my least favourite Marvel movies - and the current one is a Gem, because it moves away from what was previously built up as the concept of Thor.
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Did Odin have lightning powers? Thought he was more about just light?
Not specifically, but he probably could throw a mean lightning bolt if he wanted to. He's the All-Father, and the Odin Force ain't nothin' to fuck with. Movie Odin seems to have his power based on being able to bestow or rescind Geas at will, if you had to peg it down. But he mostly just throws around the Odin Force (which is something every ruler of Asgard seems to get. it just gets named after the current or previous ruler. In the comics, Thor occasionally inherits the Odin Force (usually at great need), wherein he can go toe to toe with cosmic level threats.
I loved this movie, but I finally figured out what felt a little 'off' for me. I really enjoyed the amped up humor (Hemsworth is great with it! More funny Hemsworth!), but at times it felt like a pretty significant shift in Thor's voice, so to speak. Next time I watch it, I want to count how many exchanges Thor has where he doesn't deliver a quip, and I'm thinking it won't be terribly high. He was up there with the Peters (both Quill and Parker) in this movie for Quip Ratio. Plus, one or two of the jokes just felt out of place (and that's probably the bit that was truly 'off' for me)
Notably:
Immediately after telling Valkyrie that he grew up admiring the legends of her order of elite female warriors and how he wanted to be one, Thor suddenly gets awkward and stumbles around about how he just "thinks it's great that there's a female squad of warriors and its about time."
That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
I think you maybe missed a line there. He starts fumbling and apologizing right after he said "...until I found out you were all women", which he immediately realizes sounds awful, wasn't what he meant, and is trying to correct himself to a literal childhood hero.
Loved the movie. But I kind of agree. To make the movie the comedy it is they had to have quite a drastic change in Thor's behaviour. Instead of Stoic, Brash and Steadfast, he's become somewhat bumbling and awkward. Those things may have always been there and the other qualities still remain but it seems like they've changed the ratio around a fair bit for this one.
Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
Non-spoiler example as it's in the trailers. The "friend from work" line is great and hilarious - but if I had no prior knowledge of the movie and you asked me which Avenger said that? Thor would have been my second last guess, next to The Hulk.
Nah. I think thats one of the MOST Thor lines in the movie. Friend from WORK is such a compact line that contains so much.
So he considers Hulk a friend despite the fact that they beat the crap out of each other not for domination, but for FUN. Thor loves the battle and the fact that Hulk can put up a good fight is a great joy to Thor. Which is also why he is excited! When he see's Hulk he knows a good fight will be had, but also nothing he cant handle.
But its ALSO great because he considers The Avengers "work". Not like slogging it out in a trench work, but like we consider our jobs "work". Thor's perspective is so different than out earthbound heroes that saving teh entire planet is just his 9-5.
Plus, "friend from work" has a delightful societal undercurrent of being "friends" with someone you like while on the job, but not really being friends with them outside of work. Which is exactly true in this instance.
Sif would be Thor's friend. Hulk would be Thor's friend from work.
He can laugh at himself, he can look a bit stupid, he can be a bit juvenile and silly. He's also stupidly powerful, but he's not a dick about it except in kind of a funny, self-referential way. Thor is an incredible warrior of great power, but he's not above laughing at himself. That's the whole point, that's what he learnt; be less prideful
The humor was fine overall, they just needed to dial it back in like 2 scenes, that's it. Didn't need to massively re-write anything or remove any other jokes. Just cut the scene 2 seconds earlier would do it.
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That joke is ripped straight from 2017 America and felt stupid coming out of Thor's mouth. He's no stranger to badass women (Sif, his mom, and the legends of Valkyries from his childhood that he was talking about 5 seconds ago). It really took me out of the moment, but the rest of the movie was going so well that it didn't linger too long. Combined with the suddenly awkward delivery and that felt more like Peter Parker talking to a girl than Thor, son of Odin.
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but I was decidedly unimpressed with him and I don't think I found many of his jokes funny.
Dislike is indeed a strong word, but I wasn't impressed or in love with Korg either. From the second he opened his mouth I knew about what all his lines were going to be. And they were good lines, great lines even. But nothing unexpected and a couple times* I was thinking: "Ok, get on with it. I got it, next scene please."
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Overall, I really liked the movie. I definitely want to rewatch it on home release. To pay more attention to the actors' performances if nothing else.
Loved the movie. But I kind of agree. To make the movie the comedy it is they had to have quite a drastic change in Thor's behaviour. Instead of Stoic, Brash and Steadfast, he's become somewhat bumbling and awkward. Those things may have always been there and the other qualities still remain but it seems like they've changed the ratio around a fair bit for this one.
Not complaining, it just seems like such as change in Thor's character it's almost not actually a Thor movie.
Non-spoiler example as it's in the trailers. The "friend from work" line is great and hilarious - but if I had no prior knowledge of the movie and you asked me which Avenger said that? Thor would have been my second last guess, next to The Hulk.
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This seems unlikely, unless "I bet he's says something kind of funny" counts as "knowing about what all his lines are going to be".
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Partially. And I wasn't saying that I could've pinned them down to possible wording. I expected the character's lines to always be played for comedy (with maybe one subversion, probably with a knowing 4th wall wink from another character feeding Korg a line.) The lines would be comedic either being slightly passive voice or nurturing, to further play up his voice/appearance mismatch.
... which, now that I type that out and follow my own logic, just sounds pedantic and not really contributing or pushing any good discussion. I was trying to sound like I was intelligent film critic but came off as being snooty instead. Apologies.
Edit: Making the argument that character built to deliver comedic beats is written to deliver good comedic beats and is thus bad is just reductive and absurd.
Thor has always been funny in all of the movies and as he has become who he was meant to be his brashness and bombast have only increased. These are good things.
Thor is comedic because of his strength. He is top dog schoolyard bully who decided to only bully other bullies. And that is more or less what he does when he fights.
Edit: wrong draft!.
I know thats the excuse they give about Spidermans quips, but he always came off as an asshole when he did that, mostly because a lot of the villains he fights are way worse off than he is. It got to the point where it felt more like Bugs Bunny tormenting Elmer Fudd.
Completely agreed. I realize it probably wasn't the best film overall if you want to deconstruct its various parts...but man I enjoyed every minute of it.
Spiderman Homecoming was pretty great as well. Felt nice after GOTG2 and Dr. Strange both falling flat (for me).
I strongly disagree. His character does change but he doesn't become bumbling. In fact in this movie he's at his most competent. He runs circles around every other character in this movie and the physical comedy exists in places that never actually matter.
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Captain America: Lays himself out with a vibranium rebound
Hulk: gets sucker punched by the Dumbest Avenger
So he already was a bit clumsy
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Hell arguably the most memorable part of Thor 1 is his repeated car accidents.
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That and trying to buy a horse in a pet store.
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Thor, while a title now, remains his name. Valkyrie is a rank, I don't think every Valkyrie in the MCU was simply called "Valkyrie" - it'd have been a nightmare to tell them apart.
Pretty easy to tell them apart now though. Anyway they'll probably use Thor not knowing her name as a gag, with either Hulk or Loki making fun of Thor about it.
He thrashes Surtur, he holds his own against the Hulk and then is beating him when he uses his Thunder powers until the control disc takes him out, he fights Hela one on one and survives where everyone else gets trashed, he kicks the fuck out of everyone else he fights... like this was definitely a movie full of Thor being a badass moments
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A major part of Thor’s humour is that he is now from 2017 America.
The whole movie was literally a long power-up sequence for him and inheriting his full Lightning powers from his Dad, so... yeah?
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That said, why speculate? We're on the internet, let's go to the internet for answers.
A cursory google search of "Valkyrior" is that it's a Marvel thing.
So they took the name of a profession (or however you want to look at it) for a character, and then made up a new organizational name for them to be a part of. Which is dumb, but not the dumbest thing to come out of comics from the 70's.
Oh yeah, I mean, he's definitely competent. He outwitted Loki, he outGoded the Goddess of Death.
He also beamed himself in the face with a big ball thing while trying to give a heroic speech. It's actually precisely because it's in scenes that don't matter which make them stand out so much in contrast to Thor's competence when he is throwing down against others. It's like, why have them them? because funny. And it was funny, very funny. But it does to me, feel out of place. I'm okay with that, but there is a contrast between I suppose what I'll call "the two Thors" that tag into the scene when the need arises that is noticeable, especially in the context of the previous films setting up his character with a minor tilt towards physical & awkward humour rather than an emphasis on it.
I would also argue that the other scenes in previous movies like powering up Iron Man's armor with lightning, and rebounding off Captain America's shield were less about being clumsy, and more about being Big Damn Action moments which also lent credibility to the other heroes fighting presence against the God of Thunder. Those moments were not played for laughs and were cinematic action sequences - "Oh shit" moments.
Agreed. The first two Thor movies are actually my least favourite Marvel movies - and the current one is a Gem, because it moves away from what was previously built up as the concept of Thor.
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Not specifically, but he probably could throw a mean lightning bolt if he wanted to. He's the All-Father, and the Odin Force ain't nothin' to fuck with. Movie Odin seems to have his power based on being able to bestow or rescind Geas at will, if you had to peg it down. But he mostly just throws around the Odin Force (which is something every ruler of Asgard seems to get. it just gets named after the current or previous ruler. In the comics, Thor occasionally inherits the Odin Force (usually at great need), wherein he can go toe to toe with cosmic level threats.
Nah. I think thats one of the MOST Thor lines in the movie. Friend from WORK is such a compact line that contains so much.
So he considers Hulk a friend despite the fact that they beat the crap out of each other not for domination, but for FUN. Thor loves the battle and the fact that Hulk can put up a good fight is a great joy to Thor. Which is also why he is excited! When he see's Hulk he knows a good fight will be had, but also nothing he cant handle.
But its ALSO great because he considers The Avengers "work". Not like slogging it out in a trench work, but like we consider our jobs "work". Thor's perspective is so different than out earthbound heroes that saving teh entire planet is just his 9-5.
Plus, "friend from work" has a delightful societal undercurrent of being "friends" with someone you like while on the job, but not really being friends with them outside of work. Which is exactly true in this instance.
Sif would be Thor's friend. Hulk would be Thor's friend from work.
He can laugh at himself, he can look a bit stupid, he can be a bit juvenile and silly. He's also stupidly powerful, but he's not a dick about it except in kind of a funny, self-referential way. Thor is an incredible warrior of great power, but he's not above laughing at himself. That's the whole point, that's what he learnt; be less prideful