Most people join forums because they have something to say. Sometimes the thing they have to say is pretty fucking retarded, but that's because they're morons. If you don't allow people to register and say the thing they wanted to say that made them register, they won't register at all (or they'll register, figure it out, say "fuck that" and wander off again).
Exactly.
As bone daddy said, shutting down the entire place would weed out 100% of the idiots.
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IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
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FalloutGIRL'S DAYWAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered Userregular
edited September 2004
Human mods do a better job than universal automated restrictions ever can. I just wish they were on more.
Every time I even warn someone about doing something, I phone their IP and tell the man on the other side that the IP was being used to smuggle Al-Qaeda anthrax-related child pornography.
Every time I even warn someone about doing something, I phone their IP and tell the man on the other side that the IP was being used to smuggle Al-Qaeda anthrax-related child pornography.
So how drunk are you?
Pheezer on
IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
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OrthancDeath Lite, Only 1 CalorieOff the end of the internet, just turn left.Registered User, ClubPAregular
Every time I even warn someone about doing something, I phone their IP and tell the man on the other side that the IP was being used to smuggle Al-Qaeda anthrax-related child pornography.
So how drunk are you?
I'm guessing, on a scale of 1 to 10, lots.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2004
I can always ban a couple of you for a few days to retroactivly let you experience that 'new forum smell.'
Stop being so damned elitist.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I don't know what you guys are going on about anymore, but I just came up with an idea. Hokay, so. Someone joins the forums and they keep being told to read the rules for at least 2 weeks. If they actually have, they would have had found that at the bottom of the rules thread there is a link to take the warning off before they post all the time. That way we sort of know they've understood something and.... I don't know, I lost my thought. Whatever. I say we punch them in the ovaries if they do something stupid.
I don't know what you guys are going on about anymore, but I just came up with an idea. Hokay, so. Someone joins the forums and they keep being told to read the rules for at least 2 weeks. If they actually have, they would have had found that at the bottom of the rules thread there is a link to take the warning off before they post all the time. That way we sort of know they've understood something and.... I don't know, I lost my thought. Whatever. I say we punch them in the ovaries if they do something stupid.
This man is brilliant.
Also, I've seen this put to use in other forums and it worked:
If a new member expresses a large desire to become a part of the community and not screw his period of newbishness up, he could apply for a kind of tutor thing. He'd be assigned someone a year or more older on the forums, and if they have a question about something they can PM their tutor guy, and sometimes the tutor could review the new person's posts and tell him what he's doing right and what he's doing wrong.
can someone please show me a link to the forum rules
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denihilistAncient and MightyRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited September 2004
There will never be a waiting period. Sorry kids, immeadiacy is a blessing and a curse. Your hearts are in the right place but you're going about correcting this perceived problem the wrong way.
How uptight and insular are you people anyway? "OK, you can join our club but you have to wait two days to post. You also have to sign this document that you know all of the rules. You also have to wear this hat that says noob at all times for two weeks. At the end of the two week period you become an initiate. Initiates can make one thread a day. Through continued patronage you can move up through the ranks...etc etc"
There actually needs to be less beauracracy on this board.
I don't know what you guys are going on about anymore, but I just came up with an idea. Hokay, so. Someone joins the forums and they keep being told to read the rules for at least 2 weeks. If they actually have, they would have had found that at the bottom of the rules thread there is a link to take the warning off before they post all the time. That way we sort of know they've understood something and.... I don't know, I lost my thought. Whatever. I say we punch them in the ovaries if they do something stupid.
This man is brilliant.
Also, I've seen this put to use in other forums and it worked:
If a new member expresses a large desire to become a part of the community and not screw his period of newbishness up, he could apply for a kind of tutor thing. He'd be assigned someone a year or more older on the forums, and if they have a question about something they can PM their tutor guy, and sometimes the tutor could review the new person's posts and tell him what he's doing right and what he's doing wrong.
Holy shit, are you two being serious?
Pheezer on
IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I don't know what you guys are going on about anymore, but I just came up with an idea. Hokay, so. Someone joins the forums and they keep being told to read the rules for at least 2 weeks. If they actually have, they would have had found that at the bottom of the rules thread there is a link to take the warning off before they post all the time. That way we sort of know they've understood something and.... I don't know, I lost my thought. Whatever. I say we punch them in the ovaries if they do something stupid.
This man is brilliant.
Also, I've seen this put to use in other forums and it worked:
If a new member expresses a large desire to become a part of the community and not screw his period of newbishness up, he could apply for a kind of tutor thing. He'd be assigned someone a year or more older on the forums, and if they have a question about something they can PM their tutor guy, and sometimes the tutor could review the new person's posts and tell him what he's doing right and what he's doing wrong.
I understand the need, once you're in a group, to create a level of inclusion and I also understand that this need often manifests itself in barriers to new members of the group but elitism isn't really an answer.
I think this thread was started because of the change that we've seen take place in Everything Else. Part of this change has to do with a new group of mods that are still finding their feet, part of it has to do with SE getting its own board but the major symptom is a wave of people that never set foot in EE, see that it is for 'everything else' and posting in an off-topic, SE manner.
As I see it the solution is to change the name and enforce the on-topic policies.
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OrthancDeath Lite, Only 1 CalorieOff the end of the internet, just turn left.Registered User, ClubPAregular
Part of this change has to do with a new group of mods that are still finding their feet, part of it has to do with SE getting its own board but the major symptom is a wave of people that never set foot in EE, see that it is for 'everything else' and posting in an off-topic, SE manner.
As I see it the solution is to change the name and enforce the on-topic policies.
I don't go into EE, but if this realy is the problem, perhaps a complimentary solution would be a more obvious link to the off topic board.
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denihilistAncient and MightyRegistered User, Moderatormod
Part of this change has to do with a new group of mods that are still finding their feet, part of it has to do with SE getting its own board but the major symptom is a wave of people that never set foot in EE, see that it is for 'everything else' and posting in an off-topic, SE manner.
As I see it the solution is to change the name and enforce the on-topic policies.
I don't go into EE, but if this realy is the problem, perhaps a complimentary solution would be a more obvious link to the off topic board.
Part of this change has to do with a new group of mods that are still finding their feet, part of it has to do with SE getting its own board but the major symptom is a wave of people that never set foot in EE, see that it is for 'everything else' and posting in an off-topic, SE manner.
As I see it the solution is to change the name and enforce the on-topic policies.
I don't go into EE, but if this realy is the problem, perhaps a complimentary solution would be a more obvious link to the off topic board.
Yeah I've been thinking about that as well.
And cracking down on the rules for the on topic boards
You know, I lurked in EE for a grand total of one day before I started posting, and other than being jailed for being outspoken - which I was somewhat sure when I made the posts in question - I've never had any problems. The problem isn't wait periods or rules threads or anything else, it's that people are quite often very very very very very very very very stupid, and will act in a corresponding manner regardless of what measures you use to try to prevent them from doing so.
The problem isn't wait periods or rules threads or anything else, it's that people are quite often very very very very very very very very stupid, and will act in a corresponding manner regardless of what measures you use to try to prevent them from doing so.
If we really want to spice this place up, we'll need money. Money can give importance to the forum and create lots of fun activities of better quality than these do-it-yourself bandwagons we ride on for the most part. Of course, brilliant gimmicks can crop up from free sources, but they are much more frequent with professionally paid activities. If we make paying mandatory, however, we change our community and the philosophy of this board. This type of thing is really trivial. Most problems people have with new posters are their tendency to irritate - most people breaking laws outright are banned immediately.
Purposes of the boards
Game On
Bandwagon - humor (forumer battles, photoshop)
Personal chat - how are you doing Defender, Hi dely how's the weather, I just had my first enema TDL o rly
Anime thread, comic thread, justice league thread, etc.
PA-Related Organizations
Holiday related gimmicks
And of course, the various services each board provides specifically
The forum is a convenient community to organize with other people. We should spend more time thinking about more ways to take advantage of this synergy. Additional functions would increase overall the productivity and the quality of the board. I'm not saying it's bad - these listed functions are just a slice of the pie in terms of the quality of this forum over others, and our current state is fun enough that it can be considered to have an air of quality. I'm just saying that more is better, and the community will appreciate novel purpose in the function of the board, leading to less griping and torture overall. Change is fun for everyone.
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Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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FalloutGIRL'S DAYWAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered Userregular
edited September 2004
Uh.... what do you want? Are you suggesting we start a bowling league or something?
Look, I'm not saying we should do this. It's just that money always makes things better. You have to admit that if someone was willing to spend money to engineer a PAForumwide contest or something, that would be cool.
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Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I think that, for the PA forums, a kind of waiting period would never work. For a forum I admin we recently implemented a new rank where there are some posting limits (nothing too strict though) for 2 weeks. It works well for us because in all honesty we have lots of younger people who don't think. So it helps us get them to read the FAQ and hopefully not be retarded monkeys.
But here I not only think it would be unnecessary, but detrimental to the forums.
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denihilistAncient and MightyRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited September 2004
What we are going to do is add a page inbetween the legal mumbo jumbo and the registration page. It's going to say, in very plain english that you should read the rules threads for each section as they are slightly different. We are also going to encourage lurking.
There is also an idea which would involve the AC guys making some art for a small 'forum handbook' but that is up in the air still.
The point is, I don't think we need overly restrictive, exclusive barriers to posting here but we do need something which holds people accountable for their actions. Something that excludes the ignorance plea.
Uh.... what do you want? Are you suggesting we start a bowling league or something?
Sounds good to me.
I get Paladin's point, but I think he's miss-understanding what his brain is trying to tell him. We don't need PA to become a subscription club where we are spoon-fed daily events by grinning idiots in matching blazers like we're ninety year olds in a nursing home being forced to play checkers until our meds kick in. One outstanding feature of the PA forums is that there's a generaly high level of intelligence and creativity - like imaginative children accidentally locked in the coal cupboard we can invent our own time-wasting activities until someone comes to let us out.
Go knows what this has to do with disruptive n00bs though.
The thing about ignorant new members is that they seldomly stay around long. They join, make a few retard posts, then vanish. Just ignore them and they'll go away even faster.
The thing about ignorant new members is that they seldomly stay around long. They join, make a few retard posts, then vanish. Just ignore them and they'll go away even faster.
Too bad some of them don't get a clue.
If thats the case, they usually learn the "way" of the forums before too long.
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FalloutGIRL'S DAYWAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered Userregular
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Exactly.
As bone daddy said, shutting down the entire place would weed out 100% of the idiots.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
So how drunk are you?
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I'm guessing, on a scale of 1 to 10, lots.
Stop being so damned elitist.
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Also, I've seen this put to use in other forums and it worked:
If a new member expresses a large desire to become a part of the community and not screw his period of newbishness up, he could apply for a kind of tutor thing. He'd be assigned someone a year or more older on the forums, and if they have a question about something they can PM their tutor guy, and sometimes the tutor could review the new person's posts and tell him what he's doing right and what he's doing wrong.
How uptight and insular are you people anyway? "OK, you can join our club but you have to wait two days to post. You also have to sign this document that you know all of the rules. You also have to wear this hat that says noob at all times for two weeks. At the end of the two week period you become an initiate. Initiates can make one thread a day. Through continued patronage you can move up through the ranks...etc etc"
There actually needs to be less beauracracy on this board.
That's where the ovaries come in.
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Shut the fuck up, cockass.
Woo, I can feel it working already.
You guys go on and on about this exact same thing every few months or so, and time and time again you are shot down.
These proposed restrictions are silly. There is no noobie problem, but I'm starting to see more of an elitist problem.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
Holy shit, are you two being serious?
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
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I understand the need, once you're in a group, to create a level of inclusion and I also understand that this need often manifests itself in barriers to new members of the group but elitism isn't really an answer.
I think this thread was started because of the change that we've seen take place in Everything Else. Part of this change has to do with a new group of mods that are still finding their feet, part of it has to do with SE getting its own board but the major symptom is a wave of people that never set foot in EE, see that it is for 'everything else' and posting in an off-topic, SE manner.
As I see it the solution is to change the name and enforce the on-topic policies.
Usually it's a good idea to remove your session Id from such links.
I don't go into EE, but if this realy is the problem, perhaps a complimentary solution would be a more obvious link to the off topic board.
Yeah I've been thinking about that as well.
And cracking down on the rules for the on topic boards
Someone gets it!
Purposes of the boards
Game On
Bandwagon - humor (forumer battles, photoshop)
Personal chat - how are you doing Defender, Hi dely how's the weather, I just had my first enema TDL o rly
Anime thread, comic thread, justice league thread, etc.
PA-Related Organizations
Holiday related gimmicks
And of course, the various services each board provides specifically
The forum is a convenient community to organize with other people. We should spend more time thinking about more ways to take advantage of this synergy. Additional functions would increase overall the productivity and the quality of the board. I'm not saying it's bad - these listed functions are just a slice of the pie in terms of the quality of this forum over others, and our current state is fun enough that it can be considered to have an air of quality. I'm just saying that more is better, and the community will appreciate novel purpose in the function of the board, leading to less griping and torture overall. Change is fun for everyone.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I don't know what he's suggesting, but I"m suggesting he might be retarded.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I dunno, maybe we could all go on a field trip to the petting zoo or something. There could be juice and fruit cups!
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Bahahahahahahaha.
Bahahaha.
Bahahahahahahahahahaha.
Oh, god. I think what you mean is that money always leads to vicious infighting, petty quibbling, and the eventual ascension of a plutocratic clique.
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Edit: Whoa, talk about spoiler.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
But here I not only think it would be unnecessary, but detrimental to the forums.
There is also an idea which would involve the AC guys making some art for a small 'forum handbook' but that is up in the air still.
The point is, I don't think we need overly restrictive, exclusive barriers to posting here but we do need something which holds people accountable for their actions. Something that excludes the ignorance plea.
I left my permission slip at home. Can I go anyway?
Sounds good to me.
I get Paladin's point, but I think he's miss-understanding what his brain is trying to tell him. We don't need PA to become a subscription club where we are spoon-fed daily events by grinning idiots in matching blazers like we're ninety year olds in a nursing home being forced to play checkers until our meds kick in. One outstanding feature of the PA forums is that there's a generaly high level of intelligence and creativity - like imaginative children accidentally locked in the coal cupboard we can invent our own time-wasting activities until someone comes to let us out.
Go knows what this has to do with disruptive n00bs though.
Too bad some of them don't get a clue.
If thats the case, they usually learn the "way" of the forums before too long.
I'm sorry, but we can't let you go without your parent's permission. Ask deni and maybe he can sign it for you, though.
I dunno. I don't think he likes me too much.
Ah, well now, what have we learned today?