I don't think Wraith needed an additonal buff after reload.
Shadow Step? Now that needs a buff. Shadow step is a "hope I don't get instantly headshot on the other side!" diceroll every time.
I thought they said Shadow Step is not meant to be usable as a combat ability, rather it's a map-navigation ability for things like vertical movement? I seem to recall they shortened its execution time at some point, but I believe that was intended so that what was a safe destination when Reaper started it doesn't become bad while he's in transit. Reaper with two separate movement abilities which can be used as an escape or engage would be a very different character than what they seem to be aiming for.
They try to balance that by putting the five stack against higher MMR solo players.
I feel like you'd need a pretty big MMR gap to compensate, although it leads me to a question; does the system treat pre-mades and "so and so wants to form a team y/n?" type groups as the same? Because it feels like whatever ranking adjustment gets made should be smaller for the latter.
Played some Brigitte in quick play and had a hecka intense game of Hollywood attack. Got PotG and posted a fairly gaudy stat line for Brigitte, easily the best game I've had with her so far!
Give Shadow Step two decoy positions around your target - Enemy team still gets to see where he's teleporting to and can communicate that as it works now, but the insta-frag now is a little more skill based.
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I almost feel like going to the main forums and proposing this, but as usual I'll run it through a more polite test-audience first:
In light of the other changes to Wraith Form on PTR, Wraith Form should restore ammunition at a rate of 1 per [Wraith Form Duration] / 8. That is, Reaper completely reloads if you Wraith for the full duration, but reloads incompletely based on how long you spent in the form otherwise.
Wraith Form fully reloading your weapons was put in because Wraith Form tended to be a move that Reaper used when he was vulnerable, and it still left him vulnerable after he used it (because there was a transition-in time, and he might not even have his weapons loaded). But now that you can cancel it, the option exists to simply flicker it, giving Reaper an effective 16-shot magazine if you choose to burn your cooldown. Yes, it means that you can't escape for the next eight seconds, but Reaper with 16 shots doesn't need to escape from much.
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Give Shadow Step two decoy positions around your target - Enemy team still gets to see where he's teleporting to and can communicate that as it works now, but the insta-frag now is a little more skill based.
i see brig getting up on the scoreboards a lot for what doesn't seem like doing much. it seems like throwing your armor/heal on someone that isn't getting attacked and doesn't need it counts just as effectively at throwing it on someone that is getting shot. Still running into a lot of qp's where the long range damage cannot shoot pharah and i end up having to kill her as a junkrat or lucio, which feelsbadman. i like brig if i can get a team that has at least one person that will kill flankers. against dives her stun and knock back are super disruptive but she's a big target so i think she's fairly balanced.
It appears Zarya's alt-fire damages Brigitte regardless of her shield. Which hey I'm not complaining, plenty of them think they're solo armadas and haven't figured it out yet.
It appears Zarya's alt-fire damages Brigitte regardless of her shield. Which hey I'm not complaining, plenty of them think they're solo armadas and haven't figured it out yet.
Not if they directly hit the shield, but if shes got any charge zarya can just splash damage her down pretty easily.
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Well, had my first toxic soldier in voice chat. Spent the whole game complaining Moira (me) was only DPSing and not healing, which apparently he doesn't know I can't heal him while he 1v4's forever. All the while Pharah is destroying us unchecked. He proclaims at the end it was my fault we lost because I didn't heal at all and only DPS'd. End game stats, 16K healing for Moira, 4 gold medals, voted player of the game by opponents.
Basically, those who rage are often the ones who know way less than they think they do. It'll certainly help me to remember to try to keep my own ego in check.
It's not hard to keep your ego in check when you're only a gold player
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It's a Soldier player, think nothing of it. It's a neck and neck race between Hanzo and he in terms of inflating skill.
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Brig is the healer I've been waiting for so I can dive into support.
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Holy shit NYXL with reverse sweep. Glad to see one of my two teams (Dallas because I was an Envyus fan, NYXL cuz I’m from NY) crushing stage 2. I am so hyped for the next stage. Lots of player trades and new signings in the pipeline, plus the possibility of seagull and Rascal completing their redemption arcs while SBB and Jjonak continue to crush all challengers.
Just had an amazing Volskaya game that was super close in QP. Their solo Bigitte healer wasn't cutting it so they brought out a Mercy, I'm doing my best to keep Pulse Bombs on the Rein, and their Mei and Junk and Brigitte made getting in close very tricky.
(Lifts cup.) Here's to you, you one awesome qp game!
Edit: 27 and 1 on Blizzworld attack, and a pretty bad PotG. 2 in one night! ^.^
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Holy shit NYXL with reverse sweep. Glad to see one of my two teams (Dallas because I was an Envyus fan, NYXL cuz I’m from NY) crushing stage 2. I am so hyped for the next stage. Lots of player trades and new signings in the pipeline, plus the possibility of seagull and Rascal completing their redemption arcs while SBB and Jjonak continue to crush all challengers.
NYXL is great and they deserve all their succees, but if they're the top team in stage 3 again I'm probably just going to stop watching the stage playoffs and hope someone steps up in the final playoffs. I'm more interested in good games than rooting for any particular team, and it's just not very entertaining to watch a set of games where you basically already know the outcome. It's why I usually don't watch any Shanghai games, or NYXL games that aren't against the other Korean teams.
The outcome wasn't set in stone at all, I really don't know what you're talking about
I'm not saying it was this time, Philly definitely made a go of it. But stage 1, NY was the #1 seed and won. Stage 2, #1 seed and won. If that trend continues through stage 3, it'll definitely temper my excitement for the finals, that's all. NYXL is still super fun to watch, I just don't want to see the same team win it all over and over again.
Either way, the main thing is I'm just hoping for some more variety in the top level of play (I'd also be happy if each stage final was 1-4 instead of 1-3, but that ship has sailed for this season at least.)
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The australian announcer needs to dial it down a notch or two, he's almost becoming Gus Johnson in his reactions to everything.
More parity would definitely be good for the league overall, but yeah, I super disagree that the outcomes are essentially pre-determined because of the skill gap. This is only Season 1, so it's interesting to see how teams are adapting to each other, to a shifting meta, etc. to improve if they've struggled so far. Watching Philly go from mid-table underdog to unlikely heroes to possible steamroller in the span of one day was incredible yesterday, and it made the reverse-sweep by NYXL all the more exciting.
Of course, I'm an NYXL fan, so I'm biased as hell.
As a spectator, my routine has been to watch the matches between higher-tier teams (for example, I made NYXL vs. Seoul a high-priority viewing) and use my fav team's matches against struggling teams as an excuse to check in but not devote time to watching - but as a fan in general, I think the broadcasters do a terrific job of creating stakes for all of the teams, even those that are lower-table right now, and the stage playoffs are awesome in that they create high-stakes matches rather than forcing people to wait for "meaningful games" after the regular season. There are certainly a lot of basketball and hockey fans - including me - who basically check out a few weeks into the regular season and then check back in for the playoffs.
Really can't stress enough how much of a positive it was to have Philly surprise everyone and play so well yesterday. I also really liked how that team played. Gonna be watching to see if they can have more sustained success and stay in the top tier of teams.
More parity would definitely be good for the league overall, but yeah, I super disagree that the outcomes are essentially pre-determined because of the skill gap. This is only Season 1, so it's interesting to see how teams are adapting to each other, to a shifting meta, etc. to improve if they've struggled so far. Watching Philly go from mid-table underdog to unlikely heroes to possible steamroller in the span of one day was incredbile yesterday, and it made the reverse-sweep by NYXL all the more exciting.
Of course, I'm an NYXL fan, so I'm biased as hell.
As a spectator, my routine has been to watch the matches between higher-tier teams (for example, I made NYXL vs. Seoul a high-priority viewing) and use my fav team's matches against struggling teams as an excuse to check in but not devote time to watching - but as a fan in general, I think the broadcasters do a terrific job of creating stakes for all of the teams, even those that are lower-table right now, and the stage playoffs are awesome in that they create high-stakes matches rather than forcing people to wait for "meaningful games" after the regular season. There are certainly a lot of basketball and hockey fans - including me - who basically check out a few weeks into the regular season and then check back in for the playoffs.
Really can't stress enough how much of a positive it was to have Philly surprise everyone and play so well yesterday. I also really liked how that team played. Gonna be watching to see if they can have more sustained success and stay in the top tier of teams.
From my limited capacity to watch games, this season it felt like Philly was always at least "not to be taken lightly". Like I think even against Seoul they made it a really close game. I could be misremembering.
Personally I've chosen the Houston Outlaws as "my team" both because I have family that lives there and because I like the personalities of the players.
I originally chose Dallas as my team to loathe purely based on XQC playing for them. I...have extremely strong feelings about that kind of behavior and personality, ESPECIALLY when in the limelight. But now that he's gone I find myself quietly cheering for the fuel just because they feel like something of an underdog.
Even if I can never remember her name, I'm super excited for Geguri to start playing. I really hope the neckbeards just stay out of this and the internet lets us have nice things for once.
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So an amusing video popped up regarding Reaper on PTR - apparently Reaper can attack for up to ~22 seconds straight without reloading if he weaves his ult into it.
I've tried to get into OWL but I just can't. Even with the plays they manage, watching the same comps is boring.
Oh, that was the other point I wanted to make but forgot, yes. The lack of variation in team comps is boring as hell. I understand that there's going to be an optimal comp on every map with only-so-much variation, due to synergies and such, but... I'd love to see two players from each team just decide to try something crazy and different. There are characters with whom I've had a lot of success and fun (Torbjorn, for example) that just don't show up. I don't feel like I even see a lot of Soldier in OWL, and yet I would expect to see him (and Pharah, as another example) more often.
Hopefully, meta shifts and experimentation will encourage new comps over time, but I fear that we won't see much of it at the top (and when tried at lower tiers, it'll seem like the "wrong" way to play). Gimme some super-high-skill Symmetra play. And get Brigitte into the mix. I'd love that.
I've tried to get into OWL but I just can't. Even with the plays they manage, watching the same comps is boring.
Oh, that was the other point I wanted to make but forgot, yes. The lack of variation in team comps is boring as hell. I understand that there's going to be an optimal comp on every map with only-so-much variation, due to synergies and such, but... I'd love to see two players from each team just decide to try something crazy and different. There are characters with whom I've had a lot of success and fun (Torbjorn, for example) that just don't show up. I don't feel like I even see a lot of Soldier in OWL, and yet I would expect to see him (and Pharah, as another example) more often.
Hopefully, meta shifts and experimentation will encourage new comps over time, but I fear that we won't see much of it at the top (and when tried at lower tiers, it'll seem like the "wrong" way to play). Gimme some super-high-skill Symmetra play. And get Brigitte into the mix. I'd love that.
Pharah was a lot more common pre-Mercy nerf, and I think Soldier was as well as a result.
I've tried to get into OWL but I just can't. Even with the plays they manage, watching the same comps is boring.
Oh, that was the other point I wanted to make but forgot, yes. The lack of variation in team comps is boring as hell. I understand that there's going to be an optimal comp on every map with only-so-much variation, due to synergies and such, but... I'd love to see two players from each team just decide to try something crazy and different. There are characters with whom I've had a lot of success and fun (Torbjorn, for example) that just don't show up. I don't feel like I even see a lot of Soldier in OWL, and yet I would expect to see him (and Pharah, as another example) more often.
Hopefully, meta shifts and experimentation will encourage new comps over time, but I fear that we won't see much of it at the top (and when tried at lower tiers, it'll seem like the "wrong" way to play). Gimme some super-high-skill Symmetra play. And get Brigitte into the mix. I'd love that.
Pharah was a lot more common pre-Mercy nerf, and I think Soldier was as well as a result.
I thought I recalled seeing more of them both early on, so thank you for confirming. Glad that the Mercy nerf hasn't pulled Mercy out of the OWL meta, as I'm basically a Mercy main, historically (though I've been experimenting elsewhere for a while in anticipation of the nerf). Was reading a meta snapshot a little while ago; on the non-OWL-meta front, it seems like Mercy is climbing again across the board as players move past the novelty of new hero Moira. Brigitte will probably take some of that regained momentum away again.
Been playing more Zen - trying to emulate JJonak - and I always enjoy that balance between offensive and defensive capability. I'm probably a little too slap-happy with my H/D orbs; I try to keep my H orb on whomever needs healing (or if no one does, on the front-line tank), but I tend to keep cycling my D orb on whichever enemy is front and center, which probably cuts down the number of shots I'm taking significantly (and thus reduces our team DPS). Then again, if the target in center-screen is always debuffed, I guess that's a positive for everyone slinging DPS down-lane.
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Mercy still has the most one-tricks out of any character, probably by a mile. They could never nerf her enough to where she's not an extremely popular pick on the ladder.
I personally hope she keeps climbing and that Brigitte is popular as well, just to erode the pickrate of my girl Moira and insulate her from nerfs.
On that note, I - against better judgment - jumped into comp over the weekend. An extremely close call, but the win streak stays alive at 15.
There's a QP offense deathball tactic I've started to see on occasion that involves loading up a Symm with armor/healing and just balling around her while she bulldozes through the enemy team with her beam. Heavy bursty Junkrat/Pharah setups can scatter it but slow bulkier teams just get rolled over immediately.
Let's say I'm hopped up on NYXL hype and I want to play more OW (on PS4). I have a couple of friends with whom I typically play (usually just 2 of us at a time). I've also never really messed with Competitive, other than a couple of placement matches. As a healer main, what's the best way to get more into playing OW?
Quick play queue while solo is extremely hit-or-miss. Had one game this morning where two teammates on voice chat were trying for a quad kill and weren't interested in playing the map otherwise, coordinating, etc. Had another game where the enemy team steamrolled my team and people kept running in one at a time - not ideal. Had a third game that was well-coordinated fun and ended up being a fun and breezy W.
Should I get into Competitive? Should I/can I do this solo and have fun? I'd like to think that I'm a pretty decent support.
I only play solo or duo. As a support main you just gotta' accept that the w or l will come from your team, and you can only amplify them. If they're good, you make 'em better. If they suck, you can't stop them.
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Let's say I'm hopped up on NYXL hype and I want to play more OW (on PS4). I have a couple of friends with whom I typically play (usually just 2 of us at a time). I've also never really messed with Competitive, other than a couple of placement matches. As a healer main, what's the best way to get more into playing OW?
Quick play queue while solo is extremely hit-or-miss. Had one game this morning where two teammates on voice chat were trying for a quad kill and weren't interested in playing the map otherwise, coordinating, etc. Had another game where the enemy team steamrolled my team and people kept running in one at a time - not ideal. Had a third game that was well-coordinated fun and ended up being a fun and breezy W.
Should I get into Competitive? Should I/can I do this solo and have fun? I'd like to think that I'm a pretty decent support.
First, I'm shocked you found somebody on voice comms in PS4 QP. That almost never happens and they were even talking about (ignoring) the game? Shocking.
For competitive I rarely do more than the placement matches but things are a little bit more organized there. Still voice is a rarity. I flex pretty much wherever but at times playing support feels pointless without at least some mild coordination/cohesion from a team. I'd actually expect that'd be less of a problem in competitive than it is in QP. In comp if I give up on the team and swap off support to what appears we need there is probably a better than 50% chance that somebody else will swap to a support to replace me. In QP that's in the single digits percent wise.
I only play solo or duo. As a support main you just gotta' accept that the w or l will come from your team, and you can only amplify them. If they're good, you make 'em better. If they suck, you can't stop them.
As a TGOC reader, I was hoping for your input. I know you frequent Competitive mode as a mostly-solo support, so... good to hear that I can at least give that a shot and shouldn't stay away entirely without a premade team.
I may get a couple of buddies together for the first ride. We'll see.
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I thought they said Shadow Step is not meant to be usable as a combat ability, rather it's a map-navigation ability for things like vertical movement? I seem to recall they shortened its execution time at some point, but I believe that was intended so that what was a safe destination when Reaper started it doesn't become bad while he's in transit. Reaper with two separate movement abilities which can be used as an escape or engage would be a very different character than what they seem to be aiming for.
I feel like you'd need a pretty big MMR gap to compensate, although it leads me to a question; does the system treat pre-mades and "so and so wants to form a team y/n?" type groups as the same? Because it feels like whatever ranking adjustment gets made should be smaller for the latter.
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In light of the other changes to Wraith Form on PTR, Wraith Form should restore ammunition at a rate of 1 per [Wraith Form Duration] / 8. That is, Reaper completely reloads if you Wraith for the full duration, but reloads incompletely based on how long you spent in the form otherwise.
Wraith Form fully reloading your weapons was put in because Wraith Form tended to be a move that Reaper used when he was vulnerable, and it still left him vulnerable after he used it (because there was a transition-in time, and he might not even have his weapons loaded). But now that you can cancel it, the option exists to simply flicker it, giving Reaper an effective 16-shot magazine if you choose to burn your cooldown. Yes, it means that you can't escape for the next eight seconds, but Reaper with 16 shots doesn't need to escape from much.
That's actually a really cool idea.
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Not if they directly hit the shield, but if shes got any charge zarya can just splash damage her down pretty easily.
Basically, those who rage are often the ones who know way less than they think they do. It'll certainly help me to remember to try to keep my own ego in check.
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Shift work sucks.
(Lifts cup.) Here's to you, you one awesome qp game!
Edit: 27 and 1 on Blizzworld attack, and a pretty bad PotG. 2 in one night! ^.^
NYXL is great and they deserve all their succees, but if they're the top team in stage 3 again I'm probably just going to stop watching the stage playoffs and hope someone steps up in the final playoffs. I'm more interested in good games than rooting for any particular team, and it's just not very entertaining to watch a set of games where you basically already know the outcome. It's why I usually don't watch any Shanghai games, or NYXL games that aren't against the other Korean teams.
I'm not saying it was this time, Philly definitely made a go of it. But stage 1, NY was the #1 seed and won. Stage 2, #1 seed and won. If that trend continues through stage 3, it'll definitely temper my excitement for the finals, that's all. NYXL is still super fun to watch, I just don't want to see the same team win it all over and over again.
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Either way, the main thing is I'm just hoping for some more variety in the top level of play (I'd also be happy if each stage final was 1-4 instead of 1-3, but that ship has sailed for this season at least.)
Of course, I'm an NYXL fan, so I'm biased as hell.
As a spectator, my routine has been to watch the matches between higher-tier teams (for example, I made NYXL vs. Seoul a high-priority viewing) and use my fav team's matches against struggling teams as an excuse to check in but not devote time to watching - but as a fan in general, I think the broadcasters do a terrific job of creating stakes for all of the teams, even those that are lower-table right now, and the stage playoffs are awesome in that they create high-stakes matches rather than forcing people to wait for "meaningful games" after the regular season. There are certainly a lot of basketball and hockey fans - including me - who basically check out a few weeks into the regular season and then check back in for the playoffs.
Really can't stress enough how much of a positive it was to have Philly surprise everyone and play so well yesterday. I also really liked how that team played. Gonna be watching to see if they can have more sustained success and stay in the top tier of teams.
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Boombox just got victimized left right and center though, like he died first in every engagement.
Shanghai I just can’t watch though, it’s moved from “is this a Rocky story?” To “is this a snuff film?”
From my limited capacity to watch games, this season it felt like Philly was always at least "not to be taken lightly". Like I think even against Seoul they made it a really close game. I could be misremembering.
Personally I've chosen the Houston Outlaws as "my team" both because I have family that lives there and because I like the personalities of the players.
I originally chose Dallas as my team to loathe purely based on XQC playing for them. I...have extremely strong feelings about that kind of behavior and personality, ESPECIALLY when in the limelight. But now that he's gone I find myself quietly cheering for the fuel just because they feel like something of an underdog.
Even if I can never remember her name, I'm super excited for Geguri to start playing. I really hope the neckbeards just stay out of this and the internet lets us have nice things for once.
Oh, that was the other point I wanted to make but forgot, yes. The lack of variation in team comps is boring as hell. I understand that there's going to be an optimal comp on every map with only-so-much variation, due to synergies and such, but... I'd love to see two players from each team just decide to try something crazy and different. There are characters with whom I've had a lot of success and fun (Torbjorn, for example) that just don't show up. I don't feel like I even see a lot of Soldier in OWL, and yet I would expect to see him (and Pharah, as another example) more often.
Hopefully, meta shifts and experimentation will encourage new comps over time, but I fear that we won't see much of it at the top (and when tried at lower tiers, it'll seem like the "wrong" way to play). Gimme some super-high-skill Symmetra play. And get Brigitte into the mix. I'd love that.
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Pharah was a lot more common pre-Mercy nerf, and I think Soldier was as well as a result.
I thought I recalled seeing more of them both early on, so thank you for confirming. Glad that the Mercy nerf hasn't pulled Mercy out of the OWL meta, as I'm basically a Mercy main, historically (though I've been experimenting elsewhere for a while in anticipation of the nerf). Was reading a meta snapshot a little while ago; on the non-OWL-meta front, it seems like Mercy is climbing again across the board as players move past the novelty of new hero Moira. Brigitte will probably take some of that regained momentum away again.
Been playing more Zen - trying to emulate JJonak - and I always enjoy that balance between offensive and defensive capability. I'm probably a little too slap-happy with my H/D orbs; I try to keep my H orb on whomever needs healing (or if no one does, on the front-line tank), but I tend to keep cycling my D orb on whichever enemy is front and center, which probably cuts down the number of shots I'm taking significantly (and thus reduces our team DPS). Then again, if the target in center-screen is always debuffed, I guess that's a positive for everyone slinging DPS down-lane.
I personally hope she keeps climbing and that Brigitte is popular as well, just to erode the pickrate of my girl Moira and insulate her from nerfs.
On that note, I - against better judgment - jumped into comp over the weekend. An extremely close call, but the win streak stays alive at 15.
I want him to be good.
Quick play queue while solo is extremely hit-or-miss. Had one game this morning where two teammates on voice chat were trying for a quad kill and weren't interested in playing the map otherwise, coordinating, etc. Had another game where the enemy team steamrolled my team and people kept running in one at a time - not ideal. Had a third game that was well-coordinated fun and ended up being a fun and breezy W.
Should I get into Competitive? Should I/can I do this solo and have fun? I'd like to think that I'm a pretty decent support.
First, I'm shocked you found somebody on voice comms in PS4 QP. That almost never happens and they were even talking about (ignoring) the game? Shocking.
For competitive I rarely do more than the placement matches but things are a little bit more organized there. Still voice is a rarity. I flex pretty much wherever but at times playing support feels pointless without at least some mild coordination/cohesion from a team. I'd actually expect that'd be less of a problem in competitive than it is in QP. In comp if I give up on the team and swap off support to what appears we need there is probably a better than 50% chance that somebody else will swap to a support to replace me. In QP that's in the single digits percent wise.
As a TGOC reader, I was hoping for your input. I know you frequent Competitive mode as a mostly-solo support, so... good to hear that I can at least give that a shot and shouldn't stay away entirely without a premade team.
I may get a couple of buddies together for the first ride. We'll see.